Could Noname Be a Vastoorode?

[StoneTitan]

Before you say no, or his just a Vizord, read this:

a shinigami with a Vastoorode inside, is still a shinigami with a hollow inside. (Just a heck of alot bigger then standard) = a vizord.

Heres some of what makes me think that:

Hirako says something like this: "You probbably noticed this, The hollow inside of you is so huge...(can't remember the rest )

Yoruichi when she saw the mask:
Shes saying something like "it coulden't be". (could just aswell be just a hollow)
But since they belieave(sp?) in reincanation, mayby noname is someone from a legend or she faced him before )

Ichigos powers:
Could be a normal hollow, but im starting to think otherwise
Since he is alot more cleaver, then a normal Hollow.
(still it could be the trueblood thing, helping him grow this fast(we need more info about trueblood shinigamis)


Note: Its not 100% sure the allankars are vastroode's.
Why do i say this?... That becorse of a theori a saw:
If the Vastroodes really is that powerfull, wouldn't they be unlikely to go to Aizen for help?
His a former "enemy",
& there pride could be a problem aswell.


Not to forget another Theori i saw. Noname/hollowIchigo could have something to do with the gate of the end/gate to hell.
Since his looks the first time he appeared, is very close to the skeletons at the Gate of the End.

[Sandal Hat]

I don't know what your asking or stating but here is just a few facts.
A Vaizard is a Death God who has combined with a hollow and an Allankar is a hollow that has gained death god powers.Ichigo is a vaizard.The vaizards are not on the same side as Aizen.Aizen made the allankars.The Vaizards want ichigo to come to there side.

[jonat3]

A vastoorode is the third and most powerful type of menos. A group of hollows fused together is a menos. The hollow in Ichigo is the alternative side of Ichigo. That hollow can definately not be classified as a menos.

[Sandal Hat]

In addition, the Hollow inside Ichigo is what makes him a vaizard.

[StoneTitan]

I don't know what your asking or stating but here is just a few facts.
A Vaizard is a Death God who has combined with a hollow and an Allankar is a hollow that has gained death god powers.Ichigo is a vaizard.The vaizards are not on the same side as Aizen.Aizen made the allankars.The Vaizards want ichigo to come to there side.I don't know what your asking or stating but here is just a few facts.

I know, I know im not that noobish(readen plenty of stuff about this)


A vastoorode is the third and most powerful type of menos. A group of hollows fused together is a menos. The hollow in Ichigo is the alternative side of Ichigo. That hollow can definately not be classified as a menos.

Your right but if a Vastoorode were to be defeatet, wouldn't it be reincanatet aswell?
Or would it be reincanatet as lots an lots of Souls?
Im just saying that im starting to think, this could be a possibility corse of what i wrote in the first post.


In addition, the Hollow inside Ichigo is what makes him a vaizard.

I know but i think you missed something in my post:

a shinigami with a Vastoorode inside, is still a shinigami with a hollow inside. (Just a heck of alot bigger then standard) = a vizord/vaizard.

Since a Vastoorode is still a Hollow(just alot more powerfull then normal)

[jonat3]

Do you think that a menos would reincarnate again as a menos? Not likely. Since a menos exists out of multiple hollows, when a menois gets killed (atleast with a zanpakutou), part of the souls will probably go to SS, while the other part goes to hell. The menos won't be able to rencarnate as itself again.

[NetBelleAnie]

I think his inner hollow just is as ridiculously powerful as Ichigo is. He might be a special hollow (he looks like Ichigo, we haven't seen the hole in his chest, he doesn't have a mask, and doesn't loook like some monster, just a frek oppositeIchigo.

There is something freraky about Ichigo's hollow, but maybe all hollows appear like that in their inner world.

[Constantine]

im just taking it for what it is, Ichigo is a Vaizard.

Well hes a Vaizard, in denial

>.<

cause he hasnt formed with his hollow...

[flam3z]

Erm .. sorry , but wut is a Vastroode ? I dun recall reading something like that in the manga ? Which episode is it in , if I may ask .

[Constantine]

Quoting jonat3

A vastoorode is the third and most powerful type of menos. A group of hollows fused together is a menos.

[flam3z]

Which episode did they mention this ? I hate being left out . Grr .

[jonat3]

Which episode did they mention this ? I hate being left out . Grr .

It was in chapter 198. It could be you haven't read up till the latest chapter that came out if you follow manga-rain's translations. Manga-rain is 7 chapters behind.

[Sandal Hat]

The Hollow that a Vaizard has within himself/herself is just the hollow form of what the shinigami wuld be if it was a hollow(but without the body and the mask). Therfore no shinigamii can have a vastroode inside them.

[Jinchuu]

I think the reason the Hollow in Ichigo is so strong might be that it is indeed a vastorade or it is a special breed or a legendary creature etc., but probably it is a high level vastorade because Uliquollar admits that it is even much stronger than him.

[Constantine]

Quote from Sandal Hat:

The Hollow that a Vaizard has within himself/herself is just the hollow form of what the shinigami wuld be if it was a hollow...

If the Vaizard is just the same as the actual Shinigami, the strength will remain the same. And fom what I have seen from Hollows (imo) they have no restraints so they are always at 'full power'. So Nameless, would be nothign different from Ichigo just raw, brute power...

[Jinchuu]

If it is Ichigo raw, how can it surprass the limits of Ichigo and he does not use brute power to say so Ichigo uses brute power while it uses planned out attacks, just like he did to Byakuya.
And there is smt. I would like to Sandal Hat's theory which seems most likely to be true, probably if Ichigo was to become a hollow he was probably turn into a vastorade because of his enormous spiritual pressure and potential.

[crazy_shinigami v3]

hm, let me see,
when ichigo turns into no name while fighting byakuya,
he said to ichigo that"hm, i know ur just an amateur, this bankai have made ur bones .......er,cant remember"
when he said to ichigo that ichigo is an amateur, so wat he would be?
is it that he is kaien's hollow reincarnation?(nah, maybe totally ridiculous)
n wat im been thinkin now, would ichigo end up like kaien?

hm, about no holes at ichigo's body, i saw the other vaizards dont have it too
they just have half of hollow's mask
so i just can say that vaizards has no holes
but vestroodes have it......

[Jinchuu]

Because vastorades are actual hollows = hole, while vaizards are shinigami = no hole.

And they do not have half of the mask, Hiruko revealed his full mask.

[StoneTitan]

I think the reason the Hollow in Ichigo is so strong might be that it is indeed a vastorade or it is a special breed or a legendary creature etc., but probably it is a high level vastorade because Uliquollar admits that it is even much stronger than him.


Remember Ulquirra(sp?) Is an Allankar, we don't know for sure if his a Vastoroode.
Yet it is very likely he is.

[Samiizz]

it all comes down to what Aizen said to Ichigo..
all deathgods have limits.. and inside every deathgod.. there is a wall that prevents him from becoming a hollow..
so in order to pass the limits of the deathgods.. this wall has to be broken.. that is why Aizen took that thing from Rukia..
so when Ichigo turns into his hollow self.. he becomes much much more powerful that he normally is..
and the latest chapters.. it was said that Deathgod Captains might have a little problems with the highest type of Menos or Hollows.. but still it depends on the power of the Captain because it seems like no captain has reached the limits of the deathgod powers yet.. that is why Ichigo was beating them one by one :p
and since Ichigo is stronger than a Captain.. if he gives in to his inner Hollow.. he will be even more powerful than the strongest Hollow.. but he has to give in to his inner hollow out of his own will.. in order for noname or nameless to take full control and reveal his full power without having to fight ichigo for control..

that is what I understood from the manga.. :)

[crazy_shinigami v3]

hope there will b an episode where ichigo fight with his hollow in his inner world n beat that hollow n b more powerful n his bankai would change[like byakuya which have the second n final form of bankai]
in that condition, he will surpass any vestorades or vaizards.
ichigo that defeated his inner hollow would be like 10 times more powerful or greater

[StoneTitan]

I hope, theres going to be 10+ more episodes of the manga, were Noname gets to be in full controle.(would be really good for Bleach if you ask me)
Before Ichigo gets full control.

Since a completely evil main character(The main character) is a rather rare thing.(not so rare in games anymore :redbiggri )

[NykylaiHellray]

A personally want to see that to.

A stage when ichigo has given into his hollow, and maybe even joins with aizen.

It would be a great eppisode, showint the inner conflict within his mind.

[Constantine]

Like a Darth Vader thing?

:P


EL SPAMMINADO !!

[Samiizz]

Knowing Ichigo.. he will never give in..
but there is another way for Noname or Nameless to come out..
Since Noname.. is a part of Ichigo.. then if Ichigo accepts Nameless as a part of him.. then Ichigo would be able to change to Nameless at will.. and will be able to control him too..

[ultimate]

that would be pretty cool though i would like to see ichigo turn evil for a while and go against everybody including aizen and then he trains himself and is able to control the inner hollow and turns good again and like samiizz said, change to noname at will

[thematrix]

You have shinigami that break down their inner wall to unleash their hollow side.
You have Hollow that take of their masks to unleash their shinigami side.

Ichigo is neither of those.

Ichigo died (on purpouse at Uruhara's hand) and became both Shinigami and Hollow at the exact same time. (Uruhara actualy sais this to Ichigo when he comes out of the hole "perfect timing!")

Hes not a Shinigami that broke down his inner wall to have a hollow inside and hes not a hollow that took of his mask.
He is reborn as both Shinigami and Hollow, without needing to break down a wall or take of a mask.

Hes the perfect crossbread from a perfect bloodline.

That is why Ichigo is who he is, as strong as he is and the hero of the story.

We have 2 sides in this manga fighting for power. Hollows try to gain shinigami powers and shinigami try to gain hollow powers both still have their limits because they are still just a shinigami with hollow powers or a hollow with shinigami powers.

Uruhara probably knew that the only way to make a pure crossbread was by having him reborn as shinigami and hollow at the same time. Only someone as strong as Ichigo(pure bloodline) could achieve this without help from any devices or tricks (like the device Aizen stole and Uruhara built).

Ichigo achieved what all the others are trying to become but never will be able to, because they are and will always be a shinigami that gains hollow powers or a hollow that gains shinigami powers but they'll never be the way Ichigo is, a spirit transformed simultanously into shinigami and hollow.

In other words, again, The Perfect crossbread.

[Samiizz]

You have shinigami that break down their inner wall to unleash their hollow side.
You have Hollow that take of their masks to unleash their shinigami side.

Ichigo is neither of those.

Ichigo died (on purpouse at Uruhara's hand) and became both Shinigami and Hollow at the exact same time. (Uruhara actualy sais this to Ichigo when he comes out of the hole "perfect timing!")

Hes not a Shinigami that broke down his inner wall to have a hollow inside and hes not a hollow that took of his mask.
He is reborn as both Shinigami and Hollow, without needing to break down a wall or take of a mask.

Hes the perfect crossbread from a perfect bloodline.

That is why Ichigo is who he is, as strong as he is and the hero of the story.

We have 2 sides in this manga fighting for power. Hollows try to gain shinigami powers and shinigami try to gain hollow powers both still have their limits because they are still just a shinigami with hollow powers or a hollow with shinigami powers.

Uruhara probably knew that the only way to make a pure crossbread was by having him reborn as shinigami and hollow at the same time. Only someone as strong as Ichigo(pure bloodline) could achieve this without help from any devices or tricks (like the device Aizen stole and Uruhara built).

Ichigo achieved what all the others are trying to become but never will be able to, because they are and will always be a shinigami that gains hollow powers or a hollow that gains shinigami powers but they'll never be the way Ichigo is, a spirit transformed simultanously into shinigami and hollow.

In other words, again, The Perfect crossbread.

true dat!
perfect sinse..

[Sgt.Reaper]

Agreeing with thematrix, had the same theory.

That makes perfect sense, and is the most logical solution.

Since the hollow is so much a opposite to Ichigo as it is a totally different side of him, shinigami Ichigo= RAW power while Hollow Ichigo = precise and controlled.

[_Ink]

i just have something in my head and i want't to say something dunno if it had been said already but here:

so far:
Ichigo is mentioned to be trueblood shinigami
does that mean he is growing faster and as a human sould he has the power to be a shinigami at will and can be very well grown in a short time (see how fast he achives such power in compared to other shinigamis)
added to this is there a TRUEBLOOD HOLLOW OR VAIZARD???
which could be very much the case coz he has showed that he grows so powerful so fast right...
just compare yourself, so far none of the other shinigamis in the story is revealed to be trueblood which may show the difference...
now imagine, a trueblood shinigami with a trueblood hollow, perhaps that is why his hollow is so strong, not just because he is awakened the vaizard powers of ichigo but also the trueblood side in him while combining both powers and maximize....

like wow...!

[Samiizz]

I dont really understand what u are saying..
but I think that byakuya is a trueblood shinigami.. since he is from a noble family.. am sure his father or grandfather was a shinigami..

however.. I dont think hollows bread.. and for some reason.. all the hollows were males.. :p

[thematrix]

As I said, Ichigo's power isn't in him being true blood, having a hollow side or being a shinigami with a holow side.

He became both shinigami and hollow at the same time, his spirit, after the chain of destiny was consumed, turned into both hollow and shinigami, not one or the other wich later had to take of their mask or breach their inner wall.

He was both from the moment his chain of destiny was consumed.

All the others are either a shinigami that works to get his hollow side or a hollow that works to get his shinigami side. None of them were both from the moment their chain of destiny was consumed.

If Uruhara, Aizen, Gin and the other dude use Uru's device on themself and also get a hollow side, they'll never have the potential Ichigo has because he is the only one that was both shinigami and hollow from the start, simultanously, at the beginning.

He is the one and only perfect crossbread that was reborn in that pit with both shinigami and hollow powers activated at the same exact time.

[Sandal Hat]

@thematrix- I think Samizz meant he couldn't understand devildude

Urahara's hougyoku is the only way someone could become a perfect crossbread like ichigo. Aizen wants this device because of that reason.

[Samiizz]

@thematrix- I think Samizz meant he couldn't understand devildude

Urahara's hougyoku is the only way someone could become a perfect crossbread like ichigo. Aizen wants this device because of that reason.

yea.. I didnt really fully understand devildude.. but I perfectly understand thematrix..

I kinda think that they cant be exactly like Ichigo for two main reasons..
one: is what thematrix explained.. which makes perfect sense..
two: Ichigo is the main character :p

[Sandal Hat]

Well, Idk what if they forbidden spells weren't to turn them into a Vaizard but into a normal spirit again, then they can go through the shattered shaft method like Ichigo and hopefully turn out right

[Samiizz]

that would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to risky

[8GaugeBrett]

however.. I dont think hollows bread.. and for some reason.. all the hollows were males.. :p

hmm I am pretty sure that hollow that Inoue fought the first time she gained her powers was a female. However, I agree that they don't breed.

[Samiizz]

I think that it was a male.. but very much in touch with his feminin side :p

[newsaidin]

I'm afraid im too lazy to go three pages back to find the quote, but someone stated that Vastoroode are Menos, and Menos are created from a bunch of hollows fusing together. From what I remember, that was only stated for Menos Grande, aka gillian - so Vastorode might be created otherwise...

also, anyone has the exact translation to one of hitsugaya's lines that goes like this: also, for the allankanar to be effective, they must first surpass the menos" - then he goes on to detail what menos the allankanar must surpass... that seems to indicate that the allankar were not made of menos?
and was the hollow chasing Ishida a hybrid?


also we dont know how the other Vaizards came to be... so speculating about that has little merit. and like people stated, we've seen a whole bunch of trueblood shinigamis - byakuya, yurichi (assuming she is shinagami), soifon and kaien...

since vastorode are the strongest hollows, and the Hokagyu makes them PERFECT hybrids, they should be easily Ichigo's match in that respect..

[_Ink]

ok ok....nobody seems to understand me but thematrix explained my thought and question....
anyway, what i was trying to say was that does being trueblood shinigami turned vaizard is more stronger and becomes better than the average vaizard...?

and

does being a trueblood but not yet a shinigami but then turned hollow and then turned into arrankaru is more stronger than normal hougyoku made arrankarus...?

also will trueblood affect anything else other than their rate of growth if applicable?

[Sir_unforgiven]

ichigo is not a vaizard or arrankaru, he is not a hollow who gained shinigami powers, or a shinigami who gained hollow powers, he gained the powers of both at the same time, he became a hollow when he became a shinigami, and as such will be more powerful than both, he will shatter the limits that even those two hybrids are bound by, there will be no limits to his power. He is the perfect combination of hollow and shinigami.

[newsaidin]

ichigo is not a vaizard or arrankaru, he is not a hollow who gained shinigami powers, or a shinigami who gained hollow powers, he gained the powers of both at the same time, he became a hollow when he became a shinigami, and as such will be more powerful than both, he will shatter the limits that even those two hybrids are bound by, there will be no limits to his power. He is the perfect combination of hollow and shinigami.


um - no >.>
for all we know, every one of the vaizards could have gone through shattered shaft - unlikely, but possible. Ichigo is a Vizored, plain and simple - and frankly all the "Ichigo is King" cultists are starting to freak me out @_@


also, about Yomie's (sp? the arrankar with the eye thingy) comment about Ichigo being sometimes really weak, and sometimes stronger then him - I dont see that as proof that was the hollow's strength - the power level was weak when they were struggling, and they rose whenever one of them gained control

[scaff]

um - no >.>
for all we know, every one of the vaizards could have gone through shattered shaft - unlikely, but possible. Ichigo is a Vizored, plain and simple - and frankly all the "Ichigo is King" cultists are starting to freak me out @_@


also, about Yomie's (sp? the arrankar with the eye thingy) comment about Ichigo being sometimes really weak, and sometimes stronger then him - I dont see that as proof that was the hollow's strength - the power level was weak when they were struggling, and they rose whenever one of them gained control

tsk... there are more than two Vaizards and look at them. Ichigo was able to resist becuase of his determination, matched with Zangetsu's help. How many people can match that? True, we dont know how these vaizards came about, buts its surely not the same method as Urahara's.

Vaizards are defected shinigami right? So they are already dead, why talk about the chain of fate + shattered shaft?

Ichigo isnt king, he's just the bloody main character. Though, i'd really want to see more of Ishida...