What about Ishida?

[darty]

What do u think will happen with Ishida? His father doesn't look like a good person. Will he teach him something useful or maybe he's just helping Aizen? Will Ishida help Ichigo or he'll just step aside as he promised?

[General Cox]

hmm, i think he mihgt stay out of the picture for the rest of this arc unless the vaizards are going to attack him as he is someone with spirit power (if he has recovered any that is)

Think the next arc may be about him and his dad facing off against the shinigami

[Uchiha Nick]

hmmm.. i think he'll be put to the choice of helping Ichigo or not, and I think we'll get a Sasuke rescue arc -_-' ( Sasuke went away for power, Naruto and co following him, and still he went bad )

they are somewhat of rivals right?

[crazy_shinigami v3]

maybe ishida will be like sasuke after all................

[Uchiha Nick]

hey..

1. he got the same voice actor
2. hes screwed in the head as well
3. hes got dark hair
4. his clan got wiped out
5. same class
6. hes the main chars rival
7. hes the #1 in his class

nah i dont see the resemblence..

[crazy_shinigami v3]

he is THE SAME PERSON WITH DIFFERENT FACE!
OMG! ISHIDA IS sauke

[omfgman]

get a life... ishida is so much different from sasuke...

[crazy_shinigami v3]

still the same person is he n sasuke's voice actor!!
n maybe he will fight n kill each other with ichigo soon

[Uchiha Nick]

get a life... ishida is so much different from sasuke...

oh? tell us then?

[crazy_shinigami v3]

yeah, there r more similarities than difference between ishida/sasuke

hm, i got one thing different
sasuke doesnt wear glasses
ishida r a lil bit kind hearted(he saw a hell moth n say"ahh, a butterfly.wonder if its winter here..")
sasuke dont use bow
ishida dont have any curse on him
ishida dont really look cool among the girls

oh! iTS MORE THAN ONE!

[Jinchuu]

hey..

1. he got the same voice actor
2. hes screwed in the head as well
3. hes got dark hair
4. his clan got wiped out
5. same class
6. hes the main chars rival
7. hes the #1 in his class

nah i dont see the resemblence..
Some nice similarities that you thought of.

Oh, btw Crazy_Shinigami it is always to find smt. different, the problem is to find similarities. Got it? pretty easy.

[Uchiha Nick]

sasuke dont use bow
ishida dont have any curse on him
ishida dont really look cool among the girls

sasuke uses ranged weapons
curse.. nah he hasnt got it. * yet *
dont look cool among the girls? remember the episode he fixes the stuffed animal girl, and she was like (l)?

still 1.

[unknown_hackers]

well...
i like sasuke better than ishida though....

[eXces]

weeeeeeeeeeee

[kevin0525]

hahahaha! but i really can't wait to c ishida's new technique.. (maybe)

[yar]

they both seek power.

[noraa]

something tells me ishida's gonna be very strong after gainng power. even stronger than ichigo

[crazy_shinigami v3]

there must be an episode where they both will fight and kill each other(ishida n ichigo)
like naruto n sasukey!

[ultimate]

when uryuu does come back i would like to see him in his angel like costume thing that he got when he took off the glove that his grandpa gave him when fighting mayuri but that is unlikely lol... anyway i hope uryuu doesnt help aizen cos the quincy r meant to be killing hollows not supporting them or watever... i wanna see uryuu fight his father lol to see which is stronger and i wouldnt mind seeing uryuu fight with ichigo again though ichigo will probably own him easily since he has bankai now lol

[unknown_hackers]

haha lol...
imagening dat ishida wearing an angel cosyume with 2 fluffy wing...
haha...

[crazy_shinigami v3]

noway! it would be the costume that formed when he took off the glove while hes fighting mayuri but it covers his whole body.(which means he got 2 wings instead of only one)

[unknown_hackers]

well...
i'm not talking about that one..
like " angel" kind of cosume...
in da clouds or sumthing...

[crazy_shinigami v3]

that looks gay!!

why not he have a bowblade?(in ff7 there r gunblade,why not bowblade)
it have the same ability as zanpakutos but it can shoot bows to.....
that will totally beat some alankar shit out of them

[unknown_hackers]

well ...
as i told u dat ishida is gay...

[crazy_shinigami v3]

AHHH!NO!!!!!!!!!
HE"S NO QUEER!!!!!!!!!!!!
bowblade will look cool with him

[8GaugeBrett]

Ishida will go into training for a little while, but I can't believe that he is going to honor the promise to his estranged father to not help his friends who have been there for him the whole time.

Honestly I can't see him being away from the fight for too long either, Ichigo lost his powers and only took 7 days to get them back with uhura's help. Ishida should be back in the mix in like 10-12 chapters. He may not be fighting with Ichigo by then, but he definately will NOT be helping Aizen or the Vizards.

[Captain BenZ]

Agrees with above poster.

Seriously, why would Ishida's dad be associated with Aizen? They (the quincys) never liked the shinigamis, and hollows even less. Hell, Ishida's dad even tells him to never assoicate with "that" shingami ever again if he wants to gain the true power of the last quincy. That pretty much says it all.

[darty]

Well, maybe it's just some feeling... Hollow attacks Ishida and Ishida's father helps him. How convenient. Why didn't he appear before when Ishida and Ichigo fought hollows together? Where had he been before? And he knows that Ishida was in soul society somehow.
Ultimate, Ishida fighting his father - great thought, I think, it should happen someday.

[sto67]

i strongly doubt that ishida will attack ichigo. they have mutual respect for each other, and even if ishida's dad tells him to kill ichigo he wont do it, its just not in character.
but yeah, i think ishida will gain his powers again and make a comeback at the end of this arc or the middle of the next arc. something along the lines of defeating the hollow-hybrids. then he's indirectly helping ichigo without being too forward about it, and doesnt break his father's promise.

and seriously, crazy_shinigami and unknown_hackers, you guys need to spam less lol. >50% of this thread are posts which have no real relevance or contribution to the topic matter at hand.

[Uchiha Nick]

that looks gay!!

why not he have a bowblade?(in ff7 there r gunblade,why not bowblade)
it have the same ability as zanpakutos but it can shoot bows to.....
that will totally beat some alankar shit out of them

FF8. when you spam, please do it good :)

and seriously, crazy_shinigami and unknown_hackers, you guys need to spam less lol. >50% of this thread are posts which have no real relevance or contribution to the topic matter at hand.

yeah it bothered me as well. i did see a V3 usernamed member that was banned, see the similarity? crazy_shinigamiv3 == v3? :P

neway.. Ishida will make a comeback sometime soon I think.

also that father thing made me think, Aizen is no longer a Shinigami right? since he defected. what if he made it look like he was Ishida's father or something? what if his father works with Aizen?

hmmm..

[ZenthForbias]

Not sure about this one. In ch. 200 when the Showdown is about to happen Ichigo and Rukia mention that Ishida doesn't have anymore Reitsu left...(and im curious what happened to the captain he faced?)

[Sandal Hat]

Ishida is probably still training with his father. He might come in and save somebody as soon as they are about to get killed and show off his power

[mistified]

Yep, Ishida's dad was just way to convenient from my perspective. Plus, I remeber his father speaking of how all this Quincy stuff is "stupid." [at least basically] I think Ishida may stray a bit, but I don't think he'll get to far. I mean, factor back in Inoue as well, she could probably keep him straight. I think he'll stick to a healthy rivalry if anything. At least, I hope...

[A2D]

Hehe i think that we will see a healthy comeback from Ishida, though the idea of a Bowblade....h-h-h-h-h-hell no not even wise. His angel form against mayuri, he looks a lot like Sephy one winged angel but that was just him sucking in all the spirit atoms (or whatever they are called..not got my Archos to hand to check.) that make up soul society...it is not a costume...but yeah he looked awesome.

I don't know what stance he'll take but we know that he'll be fighting for the good team even if that means a showdown with his Dad. Maybe he won't associate with the Shinigami but at the end of the day Ichi is a Vaizard & Sado, & Orihime are regular people.

...yes he bears certain resemblances to Sasuke, but he its always easy to find similarities with characters...i'll be back later to post some differences.

[Quincy_Pride]

Hehe i think that we will see a healthy comeback from Ishida, though the idea of a Bowblade....h-h-h-h-h-hell no not even wise. His angel form against mayuri, he looks a lot like Sephy one winged angel but that was just him sucking in all the spirit atoms (or whatever they are called..not got my Archos to hand to check.) that make up soul society...it is not a costume...but yeah he looked awesome.

I don't know what stance he'll take but we know that he'll be fighting for the good team even if that means a showdown with his Dad. Maybe he won't associate with the Shinigami but at the end of the day Ichi is a Vaizard & Sado, & Orihime are regular people.

...yes he bears certain resemblances to Sasuke, but he its always easy to find similarities with characters...i'll be back later to post some differences.

Hello, 1st time post.

I simply love Ishida's character in the anime and manga books. Now it occured to me that when you see his dad again, the first thing that popped into my head was the Captain of the 12th Division. Is it me, or do the pair have similar looks? I'm talking about when everyone finds out about the Aizen betrayal and Mayumi(sp) says that he's not interested. That panel...does he kinda look like his dad? Notice too that his dad works in medicine.

It would be unfortunate, but then anything is possible. We all know Ishida's father loves money more than anything. I think I wouldn't put it past his father that he is working on the side of Aizen.

The other thing that struck me as odd is that his father called Ishida weak...didn't the dude almost kill a Captain?? Granted it cost him his powers, but he's way more advanced than normal and he didn't even have anyone to teach him. His Grandfather died when he was a boy, so he's done quite well for himself.

Also he used techniques not ordinarily used at his age.

Something is not right with his father.

[Sandal Hat]

Maybe he was refferring to his weakness when he had to take off his glove to win the battle. Also, when i first saw his father i thought about AIzen and not the 12 division captain

[Uchiha Nick]

probably hes just pushing Ishida.

+ his father probably doesnt have a clue about what happened in SS
+ if he does, something is wrong.

[Quincy_Pride]

probably hes just pushing Ishida.

+ his father probably doesnt have a clue about what happened in SS
+ if he does, something is wrong.

His dad certainly knew he went, no reason why he wouldn't know what his son did whilst there.

It would be horrible is the missing ingredient to make these perfect An-wotsits was Ishida and his spiritual energy absorbtion technique. But that's a very extreme thing.

I think, or I hope Ishida will play an important part. But it's bugging the hell out of me that he's not featured much.

I really did admire Aizen, the git even got me and I never saw his bloody Bankai!!! It's really good how they made him into a baddie and before I even read the manga....I was talking to my friend and he said no one dies in Bleach, which got me thinking that Aizen wasn't dead. Boy I was right about that one, but the tretchery was unexpected. Especially when he said people who admire you the most are most easily controlled...eek!

What a git! But he really did have me fooled. I thought he would come back and uncover a conspiracy...never thought he would be it!!!

I still prefer him with specs though.

Even though Ishida hasn't got Quincy powers, he still has a small portion. Aizens orders were to kill anyone with an ounce of it. I'm sure Ishida comes under that category.

I do hope something happens with Ishida soon...I'm getting withdrawal.

I just realised whilst reading back on the manga's. Is it me or are they after Ishida or am I dreaming? The Meno's Grande's first appearence was when Ishida used Hollow bait. Then Ishida is attacked in the street after they return from SS. Hmm ok it's just me wishing as usual.

[General Cox]

ooo what if its aizen hypnotising ishida into believing it is his father!!!!

all this talk about aizen gave me that idea btw :p who knows what sorts of things aizen knows, he was able to decipher and build one of urahara's creations, which i imagine would be no small feat.

[Jinchuu]

Ishida never saw Aizen in person, let see his initial release ^^

[ultimate]

i wanna see uryuu come back and save orihime in the next chapter from the arankaru if matsumoto cant handle the arankaru dudes... uryuu will most likely help ichigo and his friends against his fathers wishes and then i wanna see uryuu fight his father to see a quincy vs quincy fight lol i remember in one of the flashbacks, uryuus father didnt want uryuu to become a quincy, wonder why he is helping him now? maybe its for his or someone elses benefit? or maybe he knows how much uryuu liked being a quincy or watever and is nice to him now lol... btw is uryuus fathers name ryuuken or something? i dont wanna keep calling him uryuus father =P

[Quincy_Pride]

I was thinking this morning about my comment on the Meno Grande appearing when Ishida used the bait. What if the bait wasn't there to attract Hollows, but to attract the Hollows to Ishida.

Now we know Ishida used the bait and even his comments as to why there were so many was asked.

Even when Ishida is surrounded by Hollows the 1st time round, it doesn't look like they are attacking him, just Ishida attacking the Hollows. Then Icihigo comes along and carves a path to Ishida.

They even have time for Ishida to rattle off one of his mega speeches and for Ichigo to sprout off one of his mega gripes about Ishida. Even with this going on the Hollow's hardly attack.

It is possible for Ishida to have seen Aizen's bankai. Remember Tousson was the one who found Ishida and captured him. Aizen only needs to show Ishida the bankai once then brainwash him. So it is possible that Ishida is under Aizen's grasp. It would be good to have Ishida and Ichigo spar off together.

[NykylaiHellray]

Personally i dont see ishida going to aizen.

What I see happening, is that ichigo goes to aizen, because his personality sufferes a collapse, and the hollow takes over.

All his friends cannot kill him, and ishida is the only hope, for his arrows destroy the soul, and reduce it to its basic elements,



Of course ihida loses, and ichigo eventually regains control, but then aizen pulls a last trick out of the bag etc.

[Quincy_Pride]

If Ishida has been shown Aizen's Bankai he would have no choice but to obey Aizen.

Tousson was the one who found Ishida and put him to sleep. He didn't want to kill him, it is possible for Aizen to use Bankai on Ishida when Tousson had him, and then to get Tousson to get Ishida in the prison cell. Aizen can warp his mind to forget he saw Aizen. So it is possible that without knowing it, Ishisa is under Aizen's spell.

I don't think Aizen isn't stupid, he still needs an Ace up his sleeve. The other ace wa revealing Tousson as his slave the moment he saw Bankai. I see no reason for Aizen to seize the chance to have one of Ichigo's friends turn on him.

When Ishida left for SS, his father hated being a Quincy. All of a sudden Ishida comes back and his father knows he's been and his openly wields his Quincy bow to save Ishida. Somethings not right if you ask me.

[red_dragone]

Ishida's father may hate Quincy and all it stands for, but I highly doubt he would hesitate to bow and arrow anything to kingdom come if they tried to hurt his son. I figure under that icy exterior the manga has shown is a very loving, if overprotective, father.

[Quincy_Pride]

The only person who cannot be accounted for is Ishida when everyone is captured, bar Orihime, Ichigo and Yorichi.

Chad was injured with his attack from the Captain and was immediately taken to 4th squad.

Ganju was taken by Ukitare(sp) to 4th squad, that leaves only Ishida who was on his own, with only Tousson who we know is on Aizen's side. He would not kill Ishida, so if anyone is going to be brainwashed, it would be Ishida.

The other thing that stikes me is that if it is true what's in issue 200 or 201 that Ichigo tells Rukia that Ishida has no reitsu, then why did an Aran-wotsit attack him? If you notice, Ichigo is kept busy while Ishida's father miraculously appears.

Heehee, it's me wishing again.

[red_dragone]

He said Ishida SHOULD be at zero, I don't think he actively searched for ishida's reaitsu before making that statement, he just assumed.

[Polygon]

If Ishida has been shown Aizen's Bankai he would have no choice but to obey Aizen.

Tousson was the one who found Ishida and put him to sleep. He didn't want to kill him, it is possible for Aizen to use Bankai on Ishida when Tousson had him, and then to get Tousson to get Ishida in the prison cell. Aizen can warp his mind to forget he saw Aizen. So it is possible that without knowing it, Ishisa is under Aizen's spell.

I don't think Aizen isn't stupid, he still needs an Ace up his sleeve. The other ace wa revealing Tousson as his slave the moment he saw Bankai. I see no reason for Aizen to seize the chance to have one of Ichigo's friends turn on him.

When Ishida left for SS, his father hated being a Quincy. All of a sudden Ishida comes back and his father knows he's been and his openly wields his Quincy bow to save Ishida. Somethings not right if you ask me.


HE never said that he hated being a quincy.

[darty]

I'm thinking about the one thing - if Aizen wants to keep Ishida as an ace in the sleeve, why he would do it? He is strong enough to destroy everyone who'll try to oppose him. Why he needs weak Quincy with almost zero reatsu? He agreed with Ulquiorra that Ichigo is weak to be a threat or maybe not? If he doesn't think that Ichigo can defeat him then there's no way Aizen could be after Ishida's training. But if he thinks to turn Ichigo into hollow then the best way - to made him kill his friend - Ishida. I don't think if Aizen's after Ishida's training he really thinks that Ishida can defeat Ichigo.

[brolijc]

If Ishida has been shown Aizen's Bankai he would have no choice but to obey Aizen.

Tousson was the one who found Ishida and put him to sleep. He didn't want to kill him, it is possible for Aizen to use Bankai on Ishida when Tousson had him, and then to get Tousson to get Ishida in the prison cell. Aizen can warp his mind to forget he saw Aizen. So it is possible that without knowing it, Ishisa is under Aizen's spell.

I don't think Aizen isn't stupid, he still needs an Ace up his sleeve. The other ace wa revealing Tousson as his slave the moment he saw Bankai. I see no reason for Aizen to seize the chance to have one of Ichigo's friends turn on him.

When Ishida left for SS, his father hated being a Quincy. All of a sudden Ishida comes back and his father knows he's been and his openly wields his Quincy bow to save Ishida. Somethings not right if you ask me.

hmmm, what you said might be true, but what i think is that Ishida's father simply does not want anyone to hurt his son, who will want their children get hurt?

[Quincy_Pride]

Not all fathers are loving.

I've been looking over the chapters with Ishida since he got back from SS. Even Ishida is shocked to see his own dad and he even questions (I assume) if it's all real, although he doesn't even get a chance to finish his thought off.

Is it me, or does Kon still have a Quincy mark on the back of his head? Do you think Ishida left something inside Kon?

[brolijc]

is there? which chapter or episode did you see the mark?

[Quincy_Pride]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/trueogre/quincymark.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/trueogre/konhead.jpg

Chapter 184 and various chapters after that with Kon, the second picture shows that Kon still has the Quincy mark on his head. It's when Ichigo invites Ishida to his home to repair Kon and Ishida gives him a lace mane.

I've also uploaded the pics in case it doesn't work.

[ZenthForbias]

Okay...but didn't everyone else snap out of the hypnosis when Aizen went of with Gin and Tousen....why wouldn't Ishida snap out of the hypnosis as well...Weren't they all there with them when they left?

[Quincy_Pride]

I'm not too sure how Aizen's hypnosis works. But it must work even though Aizen isn't there. Didn't Aizen say something about Onohana (4th Div Cap) that she was under hypnosis as well because even though she was under his spell she still managed to see his corpse as a possible corpse doll, or something along those lines.

It was just a thought, but Aizen isn't stupid. He needs a backdoor plan to get rid of Ichigo. What better way than using one of his own friends to do the deed for him.

we don@t know if ishida is being brainwashed< but something is not right with the the picture when ishida came back from SS>

(argh< i pressed something on my keyboard and now i can@t get capitals or the bottom keys to my punctuation or number keys< hence the random characters in my post)

why would ishida put a quincy mark on kons head< i think he knows somethings not right and put something inside kon as a was of telling ichigo he@s in trouble>

[Sandal Hat]

Ummm....Ishida never saw Aizen's shikai.

[ZenthForbias]

Yeah....and.also...didn't.the.Quincy.thing.happen. before.

[brolijc]

i think its just a design to go with Kon lol

[Quincy_Pride]

Ummm....Ishida never saw Aizen's shikai.

We don't know that. The only person who was on their own was Ishida. Who captured Ishida? Touson. Now it is possible for Tousen to take Ishida to Aizen, cast the shikai on him, then safely deposit him back with Ganju and Chad.

To defeat your enemy you have to go against their principles. Ichigo keeps harping on about protecting the ones he loves and his friends. That is his weakness. If you turn one of his friends against him, then what will Ichigo do.

The Quincy sign on the back of Kon's head has to mean something. Ishida wouldn't just put it there for fun, and even after re-working Kon's mane, the symbol remains. Have you noticed they haven't been showing the back of Kon's head since his repair? All you get to see is a slight glimse. The one of Rukia kicking Kon shows that the symbol is still there.

I think (I'm really bad with names here so please forgive me) Whitey-Chan has been sent, because no one else can be trusted. I think he's the only one who never saw Aizen's shikai, and can be guaranteed not to be under his spell. He seemed a little reluctant; I assume because of Hinamori; to go, but orders are orders. So they come up with an excuse to send him.

[General Cox]

the hypnosis was to fool them that the dead body was his, not that he wasnt standing there before them on the hill. As soon as they saw him standing on the hill there could have been no other explination, so they werent under that hynosis any more.

Good to see my ishida theory has everyone thinking :p

maybe he thinks that if his arrcanars cant succed in killing ichigo (he did say his power fluxutated between stupidly strong and weak) ha can get ishida to kill him because he is ishida's friends and ichigo wont want to hurt him or something liek that.

[Sandal Hat]

Aizen hypnotizes 3 times so far, that is when he shows his shikai to all the vice captains and after he kills the central 46 committee and when he faked his death

[Quincy_Pride]

I just hope that we get to see Ishida soon. I am totally interested in what happens to him and I like to predict what may and could have happened.

It is clear Aizen wants Ichigo dead, it is clear that Aizen has been spying on him since the reports about the Menos Grande that appeared when Ishida used bait.

When you have such a powerful opponent, you take all the opportunities you can take.

If I was Aizen, I would use Ishida and turn him against his friend. Aizen needs the next best one who is powerful enough to possibly beat Ichigo. And in failing that, would Ichigo kill Ishida? I don't think so, he would try and rationalise with him to snap him out of his control.

The reason why people saw Aizen on the execution ground, was because Aizen wanted people to know he was alive. It wouldn't take long for the news to get around anyway, so why keep up the pretence.

[Z_Blitz]

I like your thoughts Quincy_Pride... They are very similar to mine... yes Aizen would be very smart if he does succeed in manipulating someone like Ishida... but I think Aizen went for the big fish... He might have hypnotized his father and made Ishida step out of the picture because he is motivation to Ichigo...

[Quincy_Pride]

God you don't need to hypnotise Ishida's father, just waft a wedge of notes in his face and he'd sell his own mother!!!

[Z_Blitz]

Again you're probably right... He is seems like a materialistic idiot!!!

[iBankai]

I think he'll go on a rampage against the shimis but then realise that they arent the real enemy and help ichigo. Inoue and chad wont let ishida kill ichigo so theyd do anything to stop it. Im sure that ishida wouldnt kill inoue or chat aswell.

Then ishida and inoue will make babies and make MUTT QUINCYS!

[Quincy_Pride]

To me even though what the Quincy's did in terms of the way they killed Hollows. For the Shinigami's to destroy all Quincy's was totally wrong. Shinigami's are already dead, yet Quincy's are living.

I don't think I can forgive them for doing that. Even though it is a bleak spot on their part, it still cheeses me off that Mayari was allowed to experiment on Ishida's grandfather while he was still alive.

[Fariswheel]

I would not think that Mayari's actions were sanctioned by SS, or at least I would hope not.

[Z_Blitz]

I would not think that Mayari's actions were sanctioned by SS, or at least I would hope not.In response to that I think I heard Mayuri say something like he bribed the shinigamis to not come and save Ishida's grandpa... So there might be a slight chance that he bribed them again to keep quiet about it...

[Quincy_Pride]

Are we to assume that everyone in Mayari's squad are fake bodies?

I mean he can blow them up and slice and dice them, all for the sake of his own gains.

Do you think he will have a grudge against Ishida?

[Z_Blitz]

Probably... I mean think of it this way, a guy who you think is way below your level comes and beat the crap out of you! Hell, he even eradicates your bankai, of course you'll hold a grudge against him... This time though I think that Ishida will finish it once and for all... Afterall Mayuri killed his grandfather and IS a shinigami... Two reasons that seem good enough to leave Mayuri without a trace...

[ultimate]

wat about ryuuken [spelling?... uryuus father anyway...]? do u think that ryuuken will want to kill mayuri just like uryuu wants to? cos its ryuukens father anyway... anyway mayuri looks the type to work with aizen [to me anyway] so that would give it another reason for uryuu to kill him if mayuri worked with aizen

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

Are we to assume that everyone in Mayari's squad are fake bodies?

I mean he can blow them up and slice and dice them, all for the sake of his own gains.

Do you think he will have a grudge against Ishida?
No. When he blows up his squad members, we see a flashback where we see some shinigami get really excited because they've already been accepted into a division (12th).

[Quincy_Pride]

Jesus and Yama-Jiii excepts that?? Doesn't that make Mayuri worse than a Quincy? This flashback, is it in the manga's only? I kinda read the mangas around chapter 160.

Do you really this Ishida's father gave a rats about his dad? If he really did care, he would have come to his rescue all those years ago. Which does beg the question, how did he know where Ishida was.

Why do these new hollows...well I say new, but you know...don't they hide their spirit energy? The one that attacked Ishida must have supressed it's energy, but Ishida somehow felt it. Which still leads me to believe he's being coerced into something.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

I've read everything here and I still don't get my question answered.

I think it is strange that Ishida's father would make such a funny statement to ask him to swear that he will not associate with shinigamis anymore. Why would Ishida's father ask him to make such an oath? Does he hate shinigamis too? If so, why would his father hate shinigamis??

Ishida told Ichigo he hates shinigamis not because they wiped out his clan, but because they caused the death of his grandfather. But does Ishida's father hate shinigamis because they killed his father?? Does he really cared a bloody thing about shinigamis anyway??

[ChronoTrigga]

Shinigamis' didn't kill his father. Hollows did. They just didn't show up until after he had died.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

i didn't say shinigamis kill his grandfather. i said they caused his death. and yes because they showed up late.

my question still stands. why does ishida's FATHER hate shinigamis? because they wiped out his clan? but he didn't care about being a quincy.

[MVIK]

Nobody knows bout it other than Kubo himself.....

[Yachiru_chan]

Yes, it could just be because the Shinigami wiped out the Quincy, or there could be a more personal reason....

[AznPoi]

I think all Quincy hate Shinigami in one form or another. I mean they only wiped out like 99% of the race.

[BigBadBuu]

Hey,

You guys harbour alot of ill-will towards Quincy-Pa. But if you recall, he told Ishida that there were more important things than being a Quincy. Do you get it? He "hates" Quincy, Shinigami, and all that afterlife crap because it takes away from what *should* be the most important thing in this life-- family and peace of mind.

Being a Quincy, especially the last, would mean that you could never have a happy, peaceful life, and you kids could never grow to be happy, "normal" people. Remember? "What's most important to you?" --that was and still is the unanswered question. Don't criticize Quincy-Pa for not wanting anything to do with the dead. He has the living to take care of and thats why he doesn't want Ishida messing around w/ the Shinigami.

Now, as for how logical it is that he had powers... How long did Ishida train with Quincy-Gramps to get that powerful? He trained with Q-Gramps, even when his father didn't want him to. Now, think of how much the father could have trained! Hello? Also, I could see Q-Pa going behind his "traditional" father's back to augment his power and in the end deciding he had better things to do with his time. Q-Gramps didn't seem to be that interested in continuing the Quincy fight, but rather just maintainin the legacy. Someone who thinks in real terms would then either have to completely devote himself to the Quincy cause or do something else with his time. Q-Pa doesn't seem the type to accept "mediocre", thus its only logical than he'd devote his time to something else.

Furthermore, Q-Pa was right in saying that Ishida was stupid & weak. Ishida lost his powers because he was meddling with power beyond his limits. I'm sure the "Quincy Angel" form is something attainable and *maintainable* to a battle-trained Quincy-- not a part-timer. Ishida, was self-taught and screwed himself unnecessarily-- that's what Q-Pa was criticising him about. Remember Ishida's comment during the BK/Ichigo fight, "I wont forgive you if you lose"-- that's the same exact attitude his father has. He'll train his son, if anything, just not to have a "loser" in the family.

-Buu

[Infini]

hmm mayb the voice actor of ishida(sasuke) will accedentaly say somethin like "Katon! Ryuuka no Jutsu" :P that would be major LOL

[powerghost]

ishida's dad said:"swear to me that you wil never get involved with a shinigami again"
could it just not be that he doesent want his son involved(and possibly die)
in the shinigami vs arancurar war

like when byakukia protected rukia from gin's shinsou at risk of his own life,and before never let it look like he cared about her.

or am i just wishing

[AznPoi]

Quincy-Pa could be strong as f***k. He's probably like as strong as a high class captain.

[Polygon]

I think Ishida's father is near aizens level. At vastoorode arracar at least.

I think Ishida will reappear after ichigo learns how to control hollow ichigo and be just as powerful.

[AznPoi]

You know what I think. They should have a tag team battle. Ichigo and Isshin Vs Ishida and Ishida's dad.