Yamamoto vs Urahara?

[xelphen]

Ok, so I was thinking that both Yamamto and Urahara's Bankai have been hinted at being very powerful, and Yamamoto's Zanpakuto is suppose to
be the most powerful in the Soul Society, so since Urahara and Benihime
are both in Karakura town I wanted to get some opinions on which was more Powerful. Ryujin Jakka or Benihime?

[Undying]

Ok so first of all - this isn't the right section. The correct one is the Bleach Battles section (where this thread is now).

Second, his is somewhat interesting, but from what we've seen I'll have to conclude Yamamoto holds the upper hand. His zanpakto has been praised to be the one with most attacking power. Urahara's, so far, hasn't had any outside evidence pointing that it's as powerful as Ryuujin Jakka.

[BamBam vi Britannia]

By what we've seen Yamamoto would win. But urahara has hinted the destructive force of his bankai when he wanted renji to train chad. But then agian yamamoto also has a bankai but that is probably to desctructive to even think about

[h3h3h3]

Better match-up'd be Urahara vs Shunsui or Ukitake again we don't have enough proof whatsoever

[Guy]

Urahara is powerful with his Benihime, alright, but I doubt he can beat Yamamoto. I'm not sure how a shield can save Urahara from being melted by Yama's fire zanpakutou.

Anyways, this is all speculation, but the only real one that I see that can challenge Yama is Aizen.

[Twister1352]

I could actually see urahara winning this battle, Yammato wins from pure battle skill and power

BUT

as manga readers know urahara makes good use of his intelligence even in the midst of battle and analyzes an opponent.

I strongly believe urahara would win (not to mention hes pretty damn strong himself)

[Jay3205]

I doubt Urahara could win. Yamamoto seems to know the strength of every other captain-level shinigami (except Aizen and possibly Gin and Tousen). He's already stated Shunsui and Ukitake as being unrivaled by any other "peers", past and current. Since Yamamoto > Ukitake/Shunsui > Urahara (implied), chances are Urahara won't stand a chance. Even with all his techniques and intelligence, Urahara probably can't use them against opponents who are much stronger.

[Guy]

@Jay: The flaw with your arguement is that Yama didn't know how uber powerful Aizen is.

But anyways, I doubt Urahara can win. After all, Benihime can't save Urahara from being fried to death, and let's not forget he has a bankai. Although I think Yama is overrated, it is also true that nobody in Bleach so far was able to scratch Yama, not even Kyouraku and Ukitake when they team up.

[Momentum]

Not enough evidence for both characters but I'm leaning towards Yama. He is the captain-commander after all. I have to agree that Urahara is indeed intelligent but Yama will win.

[Jay3205]

Well, Yama didn't know about Aizen, but that's because Aizen intentionally hid it from him. As far as we know, Urahara didn't hide his power while he was a captain, and we don't know if he's gotten much stronger since then. Besides, I don't think Urahara could really train with Yoruichi if there was that much of a strength gap.

[Shezmu]

Aww cmon man ofcourse Yama wins, He is extremely powerful, wise and experienced, and don't forget his huge reiatsu ^^

I like Urahara and he's friggin strong but Yama is just too powerful

[Nowitzki]

I could actually see urahara winning this battle, Yammato wins from pure battle skill and power

What else could anybody really win with?

as manga readers know urahara makes good use of his intelligence even in the midst of battle and analyzes an opponent.

Urahara is actually stronger than those opponents, and is generally just missing around and trying to piss them off. If it was a serious battle, Urahara would go Bankai and finish the job quickly. He knew it would just be a relaxing remind of his former fighting days.

The technology you are thinking of will not save Urahara from and endless onslaught of fire. The attack you are thinking of is something you can dodge, while Yamamoto's flames seem to be a different beast.

I strongly believe urahara would win (not to mention hes pretty damn strong himself)

I strongly believe Yamamoto will win. He is said to be stronger than any two Captain's on the Thirteen Squads right now. His reiatsu alone can paralyze Vice Captains.

[diamondedge]

They are both heavily overrated in my opinion, but I give my vote to Yamamoto. He is captain commander after all.

I assume Urahara is somewhere on a level of mid-tier captain, so he basically stands no chance against Yamamoto.

[Neko Bam]

No way, Urahara cannot win against Yamamoto, He's just too strong, and, as said before, his Zanpakuto was told to be teh strongest

[Lelouch]

I strongly believe Yamamoto win. He is said to be stronger than any two Captain's on the Thirteen Squads right now. His reiatsu alone can paralyze Vice Captains.

Aizen's paralyzed Grimmjow. Grimmjow > Vice Captains ( some Captains also...). Aizen stated that Urahara is very strong , genius e.t.c and not ONCE he talked about him as if he was weaker than him ( he does this with everyone else ). Thus i assume Aizen + Urahara are practically almost on the same lvl.

Stop posting idiotic stuff before you even thing about it......

[Nowitzki]

Aizen's paralyzed Grimmjow. Grimmjow > Vice Captains ( some Captains also...). Aizen stated that Urahara is very strong , genius e.t.c and not ONCE he talked about him as if he was weaker than him ( he does this with everyone else ). Thus i assume Aizen + Urahara are practically almost on the same lvl.
Stop posting idiotic stuff before you even thing about it......

Wait.. you are saying I am posting idiotic things?

First of all, what does Aizen have to do with this conversation. Yes, you are right about what Aizen did, but it is completely irrelevant to the discussion, and you also need spoiler tags.

Also, your assumption is based off of nothing. I don't mind that you have your own opinion, but the fact that you criticize my post and state that I post something "idioitic" when your post has no logically coherency behind your reason makes me think that you are almost hypocritical.

Yes, Urahara is strong.. but the word "strong" can be a vague term that encompasses a wide distribution of strengths. Someone could say Renji is "strong," and someone can use the same terminology with Yamamoto, and say he is "strong" too.

There is no basis of Urahara's strength compared to Aizen's at all. Just because Urahara is a genius, and the way Aizen stated this fact has nothing to do with Urahara's strength being on par with Aizen. Aizen holds Urahara in high regards because of Urahara developing the Hougyoku, which Aizen is using to power his army.

Please, if you have any evidence that supports what you say, post it. Otherwise, your opinion really has no basis.

I'm sorry for the "harsh" attitude, but I am only responding in the tone that I was insulted in. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from insulting myself or other members in the future, and read what you write first before criticizing others.

Thanks :)

[Decado]

@Ulqiora: First verbal warn for
1 - calling someone's post idiotic.
2 - posting spoiler w/o tagging it (manga material)

[crs010]

I have to vote for Yamamoto his powers are still misterious and tooo powerful for him to be commander is not by far an easy task plus he is to buffed for his age don't you guys think so?

[silverwolf801]

hahaha Urahara's powers are still mysterious as well you can base there powers off of anything we still haven't seen what either of them can really do

[smach]

yea...what silver said...

[KholdStare]

Although Urahara may be my favorite character (obviously), I don't think he stands a chance against the Old man. I don't think any captain does. He fought both Shunsui and Ukitake whom he claimed were two of the best captains (obviously other than himself) and came out without a scratch.

Although Urahara has some tricks up his sleeve, the sheer power of Yamamoto would prove too much for him. Even when fighting Yammy, Urahara at some point had to stop dodging and start countering. Urahara would not be able to counter Yamamoto's sheer power.

Everybody Urahara has fought so far, he knows he can beat. He has not stepped fought an opponent yet who he does not know he can beat.

[Lelouch]

@Ulqiora: First verbal warn for
1 - calling someone's post idiotic.
2 - posting spoiler w/o tagging it (manga material)

no , shit you got me damn :(

XD XD XD

[Twister1352]

Although Urahara may be my favorite character (obviously), I don't think he stands a chance against the Old man. I don't think any captain does. He fought both Shunsui and Ukitake whom he claimed were two of the best captains (obviously other than himself) and came out without a scratch.

Although Urahara has some tricks up his sleeve, the sheer power of Yamamoto would prove too much for him. Even when fighting Yammy, Urahara at some point had to stop dodging and start countering. Urahara would not be able to counter Yamamoto's sheer power.

Everybody Urahara has fought so far, he knows he can beat. He has not stepped fought an opponent yet who he does not know he can beat.


I don't know about that, he tried to provoke ulquiorra if you remember.

[Lelouch]

I don't know about that, he tried to provoke ulquiorra if you remember.

huh..?If you mean tha Ulqy > Urahara...>.> anyway.. there's quite a high chance that he can beat ulqy , thats why.. lols..

[KholdStare]

I don't know about that, he tried to provoke ulquiorra if you remember.

It was not Urahara who provoked Ulquiorra

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/194/%5BM7%5DBleach-ch-16.png

About Urahara beating Ulquiorra, I don't know about that either. Ulquiorra did speak iin a paradox. He said "These are Urahara Kisuke and Yoruichi, they are way beyond your level. WE would lose if we didn't escape." But he also says that they would lose because they are in a bad position. In my personal opinion, Ulquiorra could take on Urahara.

[Jay3205]

About Urahara beating Ulquiorra, I don't know about that either. Ulquiorra did speak iin a paradox. He said "These are Urahara Kisuke and Yoruichi, they are way beyond your level. WE would lose if we didn't escape." But he also says that they would lose because they are in a bad position. Actually, he says Yammi would lose if he took them on.

[Twister1352]

It was not Urahara who provoked Ulquiorra

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/194/%5BM7%5DBleach-ch-16.png
About Urahara beating Ulquiorra, I don't know about that either. Ulquiorra did speak iin a paradox. He said "These are Urahara Kisuke and Yoruichi, they are way beyond your level. WE would lose if we didn't escape." But he also says that they would lose because they are in a bad position. In my personal opinion, Ulquiorra could take on Urahara.


possibly but you don't know for a fact.


Urahara could beat any captain currently standing other than yamamoto (idk if that's even his name at all..)

[Guy]

Urahara probably can't beat Ukitake and Shunsui, since Yamamoto did say those two were stronger than any other captains... but then again, maybe Urahara trained in secret like Aizen. However, I still find him stronger than Ukitake and Shunsui to be unlikely.

[Lelouch]

Urahara is stronger than Ulqy imo... I mean if he used bankai and stuff.. Anyway just my opinion >.>

[Momentum]

If Urahara turns out to be a Vaizard then he'll be as strong or stronger than Ukitake and Shunsui but that'll be err... unlikely. He might have a fighting chance against Yamamoto but he'll still lose.

[Twister1352]

Urahara probably can't beat Ukitake and Shunsui, since Yamamoto did say those two were stronger than any other captains... but then again, maybe Urahara trained in secret like Aizen. However, I still find him stronger than Ukitake and Shunsui to be unlikely.


No, you have to look at yamamoto's words carefully, I believe he said they were the strongest captains to come out of the school once he was put in charge.

and that they were the strongest captains, meaning they are the strongest CURRENT captains.

Lets not forget urahara was exiled, and he was there a LONNG time ago, possibly before yamamoto was in charge.

[h3h3h3]

^LOOOOOOOOL. Urahara wasn't even borned yet when Ukitake and Shunsui were top-tier captains.''None among your peers nor seniors, could stand with you.''. And Yamamoto made the academy he was always in charge.

[KholdStare]

Actually, he says Yammi would lose if he took them on.
No, he says "we" would lose. Here is the manga scan:
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/194/%5BM7%5DBleach-ch-15.png

He then reminds the disadvantage that Urahara and Yoruichi are at when they have to protect and fight at the same time.

[Jay3205]

No, he says "we" would lose. Here is the manga scan:Myself being able to understand the raw Japanese dialogue of that scene, I can say that the actual line translates into "At your level... at this rate/way... can not win." He never mentions himself or "we"; the only subject he speaks of is Yammi. Other subs confirm it as well.

As for the topic, I severely doubt Urahara could win against Yamamoto. We don't have much info on either's full strength, and there is almost no grounds for comparison. We DO know that Urahara took longer to complete the bankai training than Ichigo, which I'm guessing hints that Urahara's potential without vaizardation isn't leagues above/below Ichigo, though all his gizmos and experience make up for it by far. But even so, the gap between Yamamoto and Ichigo is pretty large, and I doubt cheap tricks or "muscle contraction timing" would save Urahara.

[KholdStare]

Myself being able to understand the raw Japanese dialogue of that scene, I can say that the actual line translates into "At your level... at this rate/way... can not win." He never mentions himself or "we"; the only subject he speaks of is Yammi. Other subs confirm it as well.
As for the topic, I severely doubt Urahara could win against Yamamoto. We don't have much info on either's full strength, and there is almost no grounds for comparison. We DO know that Urahara took longer to complete the bankai training than Ichigo, which I'm guessing hints that Urahara's potential without vaizardation isn't leagues above/below Ichigo, though all his gizmos and experience make up for it by far. But even so, the gap between Yamamoto and Ichigo is pretty large, and I doubt cheap tricks or "muscle contraction timing" would save Urahara.


Well, I cannot read Japanese at all but from 3 different scans it says "we" so that's all I have to go by. I was simply stating that Ulquiorra talks in a confusing manner. I never said Urahara could beat him. Even if he could, that doesn't prove anything because in my opinion, Yamamoto could probably take the 2nd or 3rd Espada so Urahara's victory over Ulquiorra would be meaningless.

My first post in this thread explains my opinion very well :)

[smach]

at the end of it all, it's translated you...not we. it's also very likely that ulquiorra's assumption may be wrong, since we can almost totally agree that nobody knows sandal-hat's true potential.

[Lirion]

Imo the only one that can fight on par with Yamamoto is Aizen (please let's not turn this to an "OMG Aizen would pwn Yamamoto so hard" crap, there was a thread and it got locked for a reason).
But back on topic, we don't know the full power of either Yama or Urahara but if we look at their shikai, I have yet to see Uraharas shikai turning nearby buildings to ashes.

[Nowitzki]

But back on topic, we don't know the full power of either Yama or Urahara but if we look at their shikai, I have yet to see Uraharas shikai turning nearby buildings to ashes.

Yamamoto is said to be stronger than any two Shinigami Captain's. He's basically hyped up and supposed to be the strongest warrior on the good side.

[h3h3h3]

Aizen is abit overrated, his fighting skills are quite equal to Ukitake and Shunsui, but his Shikai pars with Yamamoto. Assuming.

[AzureKite]

They could be almost the same level in fighting. After all Urahara got Bankai in 2 days (I forgot the exact days) just like Ichigo. And Ichigo is pretty powerful. But Urahara had more practice with his bankai for many years than Ichigo.

But I'm just going to go they be kinda even.

[Zorokai]

even is URAHARA WOULD LAST IN THE BATTLE COS HE IS SMART IN BATTLE although he wpuld lose (sorry about caps had cap lock on =])

[bktoboca]

By what we've seen Yamamoto would win. But urahara has hinted the destructive force of his bankai when he wanted renji to train chad. But then agian yamamoto also has a bankai but that is probably to desctructive to even think about

ima say that urahara would win, he got kicked out i feel because he developed hougouyou and that was a force that yammamato may have been too much.i think that the secret of his abilities has strength

[First_Vizard]

I think Urahara would win, Yamamto is insanely powerful but i think the only person in the entire series who could actually last for sometime against Aizen in Bankai is Urahara in Bankai, to make things worse for Yamamato, Urahara is most likely a Vizard, who started the Vizard group and is probably their leader (I mean how else could they know all about Aizen e.t.c?)

Also do you remember when Hirako told Ichigo (before Ichigo joined) that there are 10 vizards (not including Ichigo), i am sure the 10th one is Urahara.

[Tai Dai]

I think Urahara would win. Though Yamamoto is very powerful, we've never seen anyone that Urahara had a hard time fighting. Urahara never has to be serious he can just beat strong opponents by playing around. And he is very cunning and could easily out smart almost any one.

[SenpaiRetsu]

yama takes this, i'm copying and pasting from the ichigo dads vs. urahara thread why i think urahara is mid-tier at best. here it is

I don't think either of them are over mid-tier captain level. Ichigo's dad just recently regained some of his powers so there is no way he's at full strength. and Urahara said himself that Ichigo has more talent than him and Ichigo is somewhere between mid-tier and upper tier captain level. How do i guage this? because Vaizard ichigo is stronger than Byakuya, but not way above. and the senior captains are way stronger than Byakuya, so Ichigo is somewhere there. why do i think the senior captains are way stronger? for one, Yamamoto said it, and for 2 when Byakuya was on the bridge Ukitake stopped him from killing Ganju. We all know Byakuya does not like to be insulted but he didn't barely even huff or puff. probably because he knew Ukitake is way harder than him.

Also on top of all of this Urahara and Yoruichi seem to be on even grounds, they have trained together and have been together for years. I think it's a safe assumption that they are about the same power level. With that being said Yoruichi knows she can't beat Byakuya so that makes her mid-tier captain level also. I think any mid-tier captain could pwn yammi. i consider mid-tier Byakuya,Soifon, and Zaraki. Upper-tier yama, ukitake, shunsui, and unohana, lower tier hitsu, koma, and finally mayuri.

[JaguarX]

hey Guy-Sacae, i just noticed in your sig that scene where Ichigo's foot gets stabbed by that sword. Didn't Grimmjaw do the same exact thing with his sword?
Ichigo's a freakin' slow learner. Leavin' his foot out there like a total novice....

Oh, and I personally feel Yama would win by a long shot, I'm not even sure Urahara could have beaten that kid Espada (the kid who watches butterflies) if he wasn't careful, or if he used his bankai.

I will put Urahara in a even matchup against Ukitake though (mostly cuz Ukitake's sick) so they would be pretty even.

[B-Eazy]

All right let me sum these guys up, sorry if its repetitive of what was mentioned already

Yama- Reiatsu is thru the roof. He is the oldest, most skilled, and most powerful shinigami period. He is probably about a step under Vaizard Aizen. We haven't been told too much else

Urahara- Able to analyze and negate attacks once he sees how the are formed. Incredible fast, strong and extremely versatile in all areas of combat (haven't seen him do too much kido but i think he is well versed in it). I would say he has the same abilities in combat as Shunsui or Ukitake but he probable could beat them because of his ability to out think and counter many of others abilities. He hides a lot about himself; his bankai/abilities, his objectives, his knowledge of things. We don't know his full potential at all.

Even with all the skill Urahara has he first has to be able to dodge an attack to learn about it. Yama's all around abilities would probably completely overwhelm Urahara. Urahara may not be a better fighter than every Captain in Bleach but he could definitely defeat them all. Yama would one shot deal Urahara and that would be it.

[Guy]

hey Guy-Sacae, i just noticed in your sig that scene where Ichigo's foot gets stabbed by that sword. Didn't Grimmjaw do the same exact thing with his sword?
Ichigo's a freakin' slow learner. Leavin' his foot out there like a total novice....
Oh, and I personally feel Yama would win by a long shot, I'm not even sure Urahara could have beaten that kid Espada (the kid who watches butterflies) if he wasn't careful, or if he used his bankai.
I will put Urahara in a even matchup against Ukitake though (mostly cuz Ukitake's sick) so they would be pretty even.

I don't recall if Grimmjaw stabbed Ichigo in the foot... but it's surprising how he could still shunpo afterwards.

Anyways, I think Urahara can beat Wonderwice. He might not even be an espada. Besides, it's pretty stupid for anybody to even stand a chance against Yama except for Aizen.

[SenpaiRetsu]

All right let me sum these guys up, sorry if its repetitive of what was mentioned already

Yama- Reiatsu is thru the roof. He is the oldest, most skilled, and most powerful shinigami period. He is probably about a step under Vaizard Aizen. We haven't been told too much else

Urahara- Able to analyze and negate attacks once he sees how the are formed. Incredible fast, strong and extremely versatile in all areas of combat (haven't seen him do too much kido but i think he is well versed in it). I would say he has the same abilities in combat as Shunsui or Ukitake but he probable could beat them because of his ability to out think and counter many of others abilities. He hides a lot about himself; his bankai/abilities, his objectives, his knowledge of things. We don't know his full potential at all.

Even with all the skill Urahara has he first has to be able to dodge an attack to learn about it. Yama's all around abilities would probably completely overwhelm Urahara. Urahara may not be a better fighter than every Captain in Bleach but he could definitely defeat them all. Yama would one shot deal Urahara and that would be it.


No way, Yama said Ukitake and Shunsui were unrivaled, that includes Urahara

[B-Eazy]

No way, Yama said Ukitake and Shunsui were unrivaled, that includes Urahara
He said his best students, was Urahara before, during or after they were in the Acadamy? Also Urahara left SS, did he get stronger, smarter? I think so.

[Zanga]

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hey Guy-Sacae, i just noticed in your sig that scene where Ichigo's foot gets stabbed by that sword. Didn't Grimmjaw do the same exact thing with his sword?
Ichigo's a freakin' slow learner. Leavin' his foot out there like a total novice....


Stabbed his arms actually. Pinned him to the ground so he couldn't call his mask.

And yeah, I do believe Urahara could take on Ukitake and Shunsui(not at the same time ofcourse) jut because that's how Kubo showed Urahara to us.

He's been shown to take on a released espada with his shikai alone, being able to cut up Luppi's tenticles easily with juts Benihime's shikai form, and school Yammi around the block(who Hitsugaya had great trouble with and had to bankai just to keep up with an Unreleased Yammi).

But when it comes to Yamamoto...no way. Yama took on two of the strongest captains at the same time. Not even Urahara can do that.

[Tobi]

He's been shown to take on a released espada with his shikai alone

I forgot when that happened, which Espada was that?

[Nowitzki]

@Zorokai - please don't double post.

@Nisama - I disagree. I think Urahara is beyond Yoruichi's level. Both of them have fought Yammi, both of them succeeded. However, Yoruichi was a bit shocked at Yammi's defensive abilities, and wasn't as easy as she thought despite her seemingly easy victory. Yoruichi also doesn't have Bankai or Shikai to expand on, only Shunko if she chooses to go that route. We've seen Urahara successfully make a fool out of Yammy with only Shikai. Bankai should give him an overwhelming advantage, to put him beyond Yoruichi.

[SenpaiRetsu]

He said his best students, was Urahara before, during or after they were in the Acadamy? Also Urahara left SS, did he get stronger, smarter? I think so.


How can someone get stronger after they leave SS? captains have their most power when they are in SS realm not in the real world. and urahara himself admitted that Ichigo has more talent than him. and i think we can both agree that ichigo is not even close to Yama at this stage. sure at the end of the manga he will be but now no way.

@obbywan i disagree for the same reasons you gave, Urahara made yammi look silly with just his shikai i agree. and Yoruichi made him look silly without even a zanpakuto or shunko which I think is more impressive. Plus we saw in a flashback that Yoruichi does have a zanpakuto and can probably assume she has at least a shikai to be commander of the special forces, but i won't go as far as to say she definetly has bankai because when ichigo was training to achieve his bankai, she never referred to herself as having used it on herself.

[B-Eazy]

Lebron James has more natural talent then Jordan, is he better now? Urahara saying ichi has more talent just means he has the ability to be stronger not that he is stronger right now. SS has nothing to do with someone skill you can leave SS and become stronger (Ichigo trained with Urahara and the Vazaird outside of SS). The only reason people are stronger in SS is because in the real world they have limiters placed on their abilities so they don't obliterate everything and there are more spirit particle in SS so EVERYONE is stronger in SS

Yoruichi is a hadou (hand-to-hand) specialist. Her hadou is better than her sword skills so its not that impressive hen your assessing someones ability to win a battle. Yoriuchi cannot negate someones attack by assessing how they gather spirit particles, Urahara can.

[Zanga]

How can someone get stronger after they leave SS? captains have their most power when they are in SS realm not in the real world. and urahara himself admitted that Ichigo has more talent than him. and i think we can both agree that ichigo is not even close to Yama at this stage. sure at the end of the manga he will be but now no way.
@obbywan i disagree for the same reasons you gave, Urahara made yammi look silly with just his shikai i agree. and Yoruichi made him look silly without even a zanpakuto or shunko which I think is more impressive. Plus we saw in a flashback that Yoruichi does have a zanpakuto and can probably assume she has at least a shikai to be commander of the special forces, but i won't go as far as to say she definetly has bankai because when ichigo was training to achieve his bankai, she never referred to herself as having used it on herself.

THe special mobile forces are a totally different force from the Gotei. It is explained when the part when Hitsugaya discovers the massacre of the Central 44(they show three different symbols, The gotei, the Special mobiles and the third one slips my mind lol). But my point is, she doesn't need a shikai to run those ninjas, since we've seen her wtfpwn them in the blink of an eye in her fight with Soi Fon.

And besides, Bankai is a totally different story from a good hand-to-hander with a shikai. Yourichi would get what? An power increase with a factor of two? Three? But when it comes to bankai....the factor increases by 5-10.

Simple Math really. 1x10>1x3. Urahara x 10 > Yourichi x 3.

[Twister1352]

@Nisama - I disagree. I think Urahara is beyond Yoruichi's level. Both of them have fought Yammi, both of them succeeded. However, Yoruichi was a bit shocked at Yammi's defensive abilities, and wasn't as easy as she thought despite her seemingly easy victory. Yoruichi also doesn't have Bankai or Shikai to expand on, only Shunko if she chooses to go that route. We've seen Urahara successfully make a fool out of Yammy with only Shikai. Bankai should give him an overwhelming advantage, to put him beyond Yoruichi.

Actually, we don't know if yuorichi has a shikai or a bankai or not.

Although I doubt she has a bankai, I think its pretty probable she has a shikai, during the soifon fight in the flashbacks she was shown using a zanpaktou to kill hollows. Although she doesn't use it... so I don't know if it matters or not.


@tobi

He meant when he cut luppi who was released. Although not really a great statement seeing as how I think yammi was strong enough to kill luppi..


By the way, I say urahara wins.

[Hitsugaya7]

By terms of Power itself,Yama pwns Urahara by far but even though,If he was a vaizard maybe yama wouldnt stand a chance as he would close the gap of strength between them and would surpass yama with his incredible analyzing skills and intelligence.I say Urahara cuz he may have some tricks up his sleeve.

[Undying]

People are severely overestimating Urahara here...

All his tricks and abilities won't do much good against a fire that basically consumes anything it touches.

It would have to be a match of power VS power, and Yamamoto had insane power in shikai alone (and he would have 5-10 times that power in bankai). Urahara hasn't been noted for exceptional shikai power.

[Zanga]

Thought we know he is very strong with shikai(hell he could give bankai Hitsugaya real trouble), Yamamoto was crowned with the strongest zanpaktou, and that includes when Urahara was a captain of the gotei which means...

Shikai Yama >> Shikai Urahara so we can conclude...

Bankai Yama >> Bankai Urahara....so overall..Yama wins =/

[Jay3205]

I agree that people are severely overestimating Urahara. To be honest, the "tricks" Urahara has used so far wouldn't last against someone who is semi-intelligent and can consume the entire battlefield in fire. I also can't imagine any attack from Yamamoto being deflected so easily by anybody.

[Neko Bam]

Yamamoto vs anybody except for Aizen or at least two captains/espada = a joke.

[Rainl]

2 words. Captain Commander. Nuff said.

[Chi]

This fight is dumb and will never ever happen.


But if it did I think Yamma takes it. Unless Urahara really was a Vizard. Anything less i don't see it

[Rainl]

This fight is dumb and will never ever happen.


But if it did I think Yamma takes it. Unless Urahara really was a Vizard. Anything less i don't see it


Srry, dont reallly think urahara has much of a chance, although he probably is one of my favorite if not my favorite out of all. Ukitake-"The zanpaktou praised for having the greatest attack power out of all, The strongest and oldest fire type zanpaktou". No where did ukitake make a statement saying strongest only in soul society, he said out of all. Srry I just dont see urahara going up against that.

[silverwolf801]

yea I agree pimp man could never beat yama. It just doesn't seem like he is capable of such a feat

[Manchester Black]

This fight is dumb and will never ever happen.


But if it did I think Yamma takes it. Unless Urahara really was a Vizard. Anything less i don't see it

I'm surprised you didn't take Urahara's side =P

Yamamoto would own this completely. Aizen is the only character that can be considered in a fight with Yamamoto. I really think Urahara gets overestimated a lot. He's a very intelligent guy and he's powerful no doubt, but I don't think he's as strong as a lot of people make him out to be. He's a catalyst character, and pretty much prefers others to do the work for him as he helps from the sideline.

Yama wins.

[Rainl]

I'm surprised you didn't take Urahara's side =P

Yamamoto would own this completely. Aizen is the only character that can be considered in a fight with Yamamoto. I really think Urahara gets overestimated a lot. He's a very intelligent guy and he's powerful no doubt, but I don't think he's as strong as a lot of people make him out to be. He's a catalyst character, and pretty much prefers others to do the work for him as he helps from the sideline.

Yama wins.

I agree, call me crazy, but I think many people overlook Yama's power alot, and to me is underrated, I remember when people used to put him against ichigo with bankai only or hollow ichigo, kenpachi, they even went as far as to put him up against hitsugaya, because hes an ice type, absurd.

[Chi]

LOL, I was tempted too... Urahara is sorley underestimated in my opinion. Just because he doesn't fight doesn't mean he's weak. Just means he has an alterior motive. You realize if you look at it. This is a chess game between Urahara and Aizen. It's awesome because the games have just begun. They both manipulate all everyone, I honestly think that Urahara is ahead of the game because he's been ahead this whole time. The Garantia gate for soul society to into HM being ready months ahead is prime example.

[Rainl]

LOL, I was tempted too... Urahara is sorley underestimated in my opinion. Just because he doesn't fight doesn't mean he's weak. Just means he has an alterior motive. You realize if you look at it. This is a chess game between Urahara and Aizen. It's awesome because the games have just begun. They both manipulate all everyone, I honestly think that Urahara is ahead of the game because he's been ahead this whole time. The Garantia gate for soul society to into HM being ready months ahead is prime example.

Yea your correct he's quite intelligent, and if you look at it was a step ahead of aizen, but he did recieve orders from yama, so he sort of responsible for this, this is true, BUT the question was how he'd fair against Yama himself, and hate to say it he has no chance of scratching the guy.

[Chi]

I don't think he'd win but i don't think he'd fade to ash either.

[Rainl]

I don't think he'd win but i don't think he'd fade to ash either.

Yea im sure he could probably withstand his reiatsu itself, but to even get close to yama with that reiatsu is hard enough but to actually touch him in combat hed probably get one shot dealed, people say aizen's shikai is cheap, Yama's is almost as cheap as his when you sit back and actually think about, you can die without probably being touched, he probably has the most powerful shikai, with a perfect defense, seeing as you can't even get to him to do damage, thats cheap as hell.

[davidn15]

This fight would be a massacre. Even if Urahara was a vaizard he still wouldn't have a chance. Urahara is very strong or so it can be inferred. However, he is no match for Yamamoto. And by some miracle Yamamoto had to go bankai (i laugh at the idea of it) vaizard Urahara(which i really don't think exists) would still be destroyed.

[Rainl]

All in all, its pretty foolish for anyone besides maybe aizen to go 1on1 against him, or 3 captains, you saw 2 wasn't enough.

[Chi]

This fight would be a massacre. Even if Urahara was a vaizard he still wouldn't have a chance. Urahara is very strong or so it can be inferred. However, he is no match for Yamamoto. And by some miracle Yamamoto had to go bankai (i laugh at the idea of it) vaizard Urahara(which i really don't think exists) would still be destroyed.


Yama's power is great but its still limited, as in there's only so far he can go. If Urahara was a Vizard, it would mean he had no limits and therefore would never lose to Yama-jii. And don't forget Vizards proabably have bankai's too. So point is Vizard Urahara > yama; Urahra non Vizard < Yamma.

[Undying]

Yama's power is great but its still limited, as in there's only so far he can go. If Urahara was a Vizard, it would mean he had no limits and therefore would never lose to Yama-jii. And don't forget Vizards proabably have bankai's too. So point is Vizard Urahara > yama; Urahra non Vizard < Yamma.

What a load of bullshit =_=;. Vaizard is NOT "unlimited power". Vaizard grants ADDITIONAL power, allows one to surpass their limits, not get unlimited amounts of power and just walk around being able to fight for eternity.

Yamamoto will win either way. Urahara, even if he IS a Vaizard, is nowhere near around the same power Yamamoto displayed without even trying.

Yamamoto wins, without question. I don't understand why the mods allow this thread to remain open, to be honest.

So that fanboys can try and prove that Urahara wins against the oldest captain with most experience and with the highest attack power?

[Rainl]

What a load of bullshit =_=;. Vaizard is NOT "unlimited power". Vaizard grants ADDITIONAL power, allows one to surpass their limits, not get unlimited amounts of power and just walk around being able to fight for eternity.

Yamamoto will win either way. Urahara, even if he IS a Vaizard, is nowhere near around the same power Yamamoto displayed without even trying.

Yamamoto wins, without question. I don't understand why the mods allow this thread to remain open, to be honest.

So that fanboys can try and prove that Urahara wins against the oldest captain with most experience and with the highest attack power?

Agree, I don't think Urahara has reached his limits as a shinigami yet, so even is indeed a vaizard, he has no chance, we've seen little of urahara but enough to say he wouldn't win, Also we've seen a small amount of what Yamamoto can do, but what we saw, was absolutely clear how the 2 would fair against, Eachother.

Going off of what yama said, its most likely true about Shunsui and Ukitake being the Strongest, I don't think KT would imply a false statement through Yama, saying it.

Now, myself Don't see Urahara beating either Ukitake or Shunsui, lets say, Ukitake power=2, Shunsui =2, [going off information]Urahara probably = 1.5, put ukitake and shunsui together = 4.

Here we have yamamoto,Now if Shunsui and Ukitake together couldnt scratch him, and he wasn't even trying, What level do you think yama is at? I can back this statement up, I don't think he put effort at all. Ukitake and Shunsui are basically 2 kids of his, what would you do in this case, No matter how grave the situation is or what they did, you wouldn't try to kill your children which is basically how he sees them.

Yamamoto is implied to be as strong as 2 captains together, but going off what we saw, even that might be flawed, he's most likely above even that level, seeing how he couldn't even be touched.

I say, Urahara gets one shot dealed[which isn't hard to believe at all seeing as, ryukin jakka is praised for having the highest attack power out of any zanpaktou], To be honest I dont think yama even used his sword, against either one. Heh a hit with a zanpaktou like that, I highly doubt youd have only a couple of cuts with blood running your face. Srry Urahara, he's one of my favorite characters, but the answer is quite obvious.

[Manchester Black]

This thread has pretty much been decided (save Love-chi). Urahara is a very powerful character, but Yama is more experienced, more powerful, and would win a fight between the two. End.

[Chi]

This thread has pretty much been decided (save Love-chi). Urahara is a very powerful character, but Yama is more experienced, more powerful, and would win a fight between the two. End.

No i don't think Urahara would win either way, simply that he wouldn't turn to ash right away.

What a load of bullshit =_=;. Vaizard is NOT "unlimited power". Vaizard grants ADDITIONAL power, allows one to surpass their limits, not get unlimited amounts of power and just walk around being able to fight for eternity.

Yamamoto will win either way. Urahara, even if he IS a Vaizard, is nowhere near around the same power Yamamoto displayed without even trying.

Yamamoto wins, without question. I don't understand why the mods allow this thread to remain open, to be honest.

So that fanboys can try and prove that Urahara wins against the oldest captain with most experience and with the highest attack power?

1. I don't even know what the hell a fanboy is
2. If you read all my posts you would see that I don't think Urahara would win here.
3. His ONly chance was IF he was a Vizard could he win. Because unlike Shinigami they don't have the same limitations, so sorry for not being too clear on that... and lastly
4. It's my opinion and your intitled to disagree and that's generally okay by me, but do so in the same respectful manner i've shown you.

[Undying]

1. I don't even know what the hell a fanboy is
You, for Urahara, I, for Byakuya, etc.
2. If you read all my posts you would see that I don't think Urahara would win here.
So? What does this have to do with anything?
3. His ONly chance was IF he was a Vizard could he win. Because unlike Shinigami they don't have the same limitations, so sorry for not being too clear on that... and lastly
I think I made it pretty clear your wording was what I was answering to. Not this argument, which is quite different from what you wrote there.
4. It's my opinion and your intitled to disagree and that's generally okay by me, but do so in the same respectful manner i've shown you.
There is opinion, and there is saying something absolutely wrong. There's a subtle different. You were wrong, and I corrected you. And as for my attitude... go on posting stuff like you did back there and I'm going to stop being nice.

[Nowitzki]

Enough proof is present to suggest that Yamamoto wins. He is the Commander of the Gotei 13 after all. If Urahara was stronger, I doubt he would have a relationship with Yamamoto like he does in the manga, otherwise his 'banishment' wouldn't be so simple but involve a lot of fighting.

Also, I want to avoid a fight

/Closed