Jiraiya VS Tsunade VS Orochimaru (Shippuuden)

[Ryohei]

Who Will win the Battle?
:toocool:

Please Vote .. and Post

[Seff vi Britannia]

Which Orochimaru are we talking about here, the pre-sarutobi one, the versus 4tkn one, or the near-dead versus sasuke one?

[Ryohei]

The Newest =)

[Ranger]

Then Jiraiya is the obvious winner. He'd turn everyone into frogs. :P

The latest Orochi is dead.

[Seff vi Britannia]

What ranger said, lol.

Well if it's the newest then probably Tsunade..

Kabutomaru versus Tsunade versus Jiraiya... Kabutomaru dies fast.. and i don't know, Tsunade has just always seemed stronger than Jiraiya.

[Ryohei]

Please Vote =)
And Tsunade is the winner i think.
She is a Hokage the best Shinobi in The Konoha XP

[Draffut]

Each of them at their prime.... would be a draw.

Jiraiya beats Tsunade
Tsunade beats Orochimaru
Orochimaru beats Jiraiya

That's the whole reason behind the Snake/Frog/Slug thing.

[ninjabot]

That's exactly what I was thinking with the rock/paper/scissors thing. I wonder if Jiraiya or Tsunade could defeat the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Hokages though. And if Oro could manage to summon the 3rd, that'd be even harder. Oh well, it's not like he could bring them all out while 2 other Sannin were attacking him.

[Draffut]

Taking that jutsu into acount is silly, concidering it takes incredible prep time. If anything, Tsunade could proboly run around them and snap Orochimaru before they caused much of a problem.

Plus, she could probobly counter it like Saidame did, concidering her imaculate chakra control

[ninjabot]

Yeah, and Jiraiya would have a say in the matter too, which is why I voted for draw instead of Orochimaru winning. I didn't even take his "true form" into consideration either, despite the paralyzing blood or body-switching due to that.

[Draffut]

Pfft, Tsunade can heal some paralyzing, and Orochimaru's body swap is harder to accoplish without the opponent having a Cursed seal + the 3 year wait between.

[Tobi]

Hmm, I would say Orochimaru, he took on both at the same time when he had the sealed arms by the 3rd and held his own, he lost that but with his arms, I'd say he could win. He knows so many jutsu's, so many forbidden jutsu's.

He is incredibly powerful.

[KholdStare]

I believe Tsunade has this fight. It is my belief that since she is a medical ninja and the ability to heal wounds, she would last the longest. Obviously the fight of the Sannin would not last only a few minutes, it would be very long and probably keep going until somebody was too weak to fight. Tsunade's healing ability would allow her to keep going even if she takes a lot of damage. I don't know if Jiraiya and Orochimaru can do the same. As long as they don't team up on her, I think she has the advantage.

[Jeggo]

Orcochimaru 0.o

[ninjabot]

Ya know, a bit more thinking about this has me leaning more towards Orochimaru again. The thing that seems to make everyone favor Tsunade in this fight is her healing abilities. Jiraiya as far as we know has none, but Orochimaru has regenerative abilities aswell. Nothing to the effect of what Tsunade does, but enough for him to outlast Jiraiya.

If Orochimaru could poison Tsunade with his snakes I wonder if she would need an antidote like Sakura did against Sasori? Also, I'm positive she can't heal a decapatation from the Kusanagi. I'm not sure what long range options she has against Oro either. Throwing stuff I suppose.

[Draffut]

Ya know, a bit more thinking about this has me leaning more towards Orochimaru again. The thing that seems to make everyone favor Tsunade in this fight is her healing abilities. Jiraiya as far as we know has none, but Orochimaru has regenerative abilities aswell. Nothing to the effect of what Tsunade does, but enough for him to outlast Jiraiya.
If Orochimaru could poison Tsunade with his snakes I wonder if she would need an antidote like Sakura did against Sasori? Also, I'm positive she can't heal a decapatation from the Kusanagi. I'm not sure what long range options she has against Oro either. Throwing stuff I suppose.

Orochimaru has long range options? He has shown some medium range snakes ones, thats about it. If you want to use the range arguement, Jiraiya has them both schooled with his Katons. This is pretty much why Tsunade would be rocked by Jiraiya.

As for poisons, Sasori's were far more complex and powerful then any others shown. I dont think it would take anywhere near as much time as Sakura needed to remedy some from Orochimaru.

In my opinion, from what Orochimaru has shown us, all he can do is Edo Tensei, then hide. If he has not prepared Edo Tensei, he will lose. (Sasuke fight) If he is taken down to fast to pull it off, he will lose. (Itachi fight) Granted, it's probobly the second most powerful jutsu shown, after Hirashin, But his strength completely relies on it.

In this fight, Tsunade would most likely be able to counter it like Sarutobi partially did. Jiraiya would be questionable, hense the Tsunade > Orochimaru > Jiraiya > Tsunade.

[Jeggo]

Would this fight be a fight with summons?? manda , gamabunta , filthy-tsunades-worm would fight also? imo manda > gamabunta or slug-thingie... so i guess it would favor orochimaru

[ninjabot]

My mistake for not listing his long-range skills. There's Daitoppa (he holds his hand up to his mouth and blows out a big gust of wind, not sure of the class of jutsu it is but it's stated to be able to level a large area), the time when he vomited a practical sea of snakes against 4-tail Naruto, the time when he shot a snake from his mouth that held the Kusanagi and pushed back 4-tail Naruto, and his guided Kusanagi sword. Not alot like you said, but more than Tsunade. And I doubt she's gonna wade through poisonous snakes over and over again to reach Oro because she'd have to stop and remove the poison every once in a while, whether it's as complex as Sasori's or not, it's still poison. Every little annoyance to Tsunade is an advantage, no matter how slight, in Oro's favor.

Come to think of it, Oro isn't the only one who's hindered by length of time needed for jutsu. What's to say Oro can't deliver enough physical damage to force Tsunade into retreating long enough to heal, giving him time to summon the 4 Hokage?

I'm still tempted to say the fight should just come down to Tsunade connecting with a melee attack, but Oro Kawarimi's a mud bunshin and hits her with 5-Elements Seal. I gotta check and see how long it took for it to be applied though but I think all it took was Oro making contact with Naruto when he hit him with it.

[Draffut]

Could you point out chapters with the Daitoppa and "sea of snakes" they arn't ringing a bell. Beyond this, she could very likely jump over the sea of snakes, concidering she was able to jump, with Gamabunta's giant sword, and land a good distance away in Manda's head.

And tsunade already proved she could grab his Kusanagi tounge and swing him around like a tennis racket.

[ninjabot]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/48/Nar-6-3-16/

I'm not sure, but I think that one's Daitoppa. Doesn't look too damaging, probably because the first time I saw it was during the anime, so ofcourse they made it look alot more destructive.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/294/03/

Sea of Snakes. Not the name, but you see why I dubbed it so. So yeah, jumping over it is an option. But Oro can still attack an opponent that's falling from the sky, practically defenseless. Or allow her to "tennis racket" him around until he gets close enough to plant a 5 element seal.

[Draffut]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/48/Nar-6-3-16/
I'm not sure, but I think that one's Daitoppa. Doesn't look too damaging, probably because the first time I saw it was during the anime, so ofcourse they made it look alot more destructive.

Lol, anything used in the forest of deaht is silly. if it didnt kill Naruto/Sasuke back then, Tsunade would laugh at it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/294/03/
Sea of Snakes. Not the name, but you see why I dubbed it so. So yeah, jumping over it is an option. But Oro can still attack an opponent that's falling from the sky, practically defenseless. Or allow her to "tennis racket" him around until he gets close enough to plant a 5 element seal.

So, it looks like it would tkae a long time to spawn that sea, concidering they alll originate from his mouth, and they would completely block his field of vision. So Tsunade jumps, he cannot even see it. Tsunade breaks his neck on the way down.

An d if Tsunade "racketed him around" he would die very quickly. he was pretty badly hurt from the time she hit him in the Sannin fight. imagine if she did it more. Beyond this, if he even got close to seal her, she would rip his arm off.

And for arguements sake, I am changing my opinion. Jiraiya would school Orochimaru. Even according to Pein, Orochimaru was a minor inconvience they could deal with any time. He flat out stated Jiraiya as "Dangerous" just from his chakra.

[Zanteszuken970]

I wanna see that eps were Orochi spits out a sea of snakes XD but yeah I would go with Tsunade in winning that battle. But it would end with Jiraya vs Tsunade because they proved they can take out Orochi either of them just has to make sure he doesn't succeed with that Invicible Jutsu. Tsunade has to deal 1 good blow to a vital organ I.E his head or chest then he would die. Jiraya could just summon Gamabunta n take out orochi as a team or he can use that Toad Swamp Jutsu. Or any of his variety of Jutsu.

[ninjabot]

Yeah, after checking Daitoppa is only C rank. Probably not the best jutsu to use against a Sannin.

A broken neck? http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/295/12/ Having all of his body mangled didn't stop him. Breaking his neck will probably only result in his neck extending out to wrap her up, or just bite her on the throat...something snake-ish. The tennis racket thing didn't beat him then, won't beat him now. He has working arms now. Arms that can launch snakes all over Tsunady as she's pulling him forward, or hold the Kusanagi to cut her arm off when the punch comes.

A torn off arm? http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/294/10/ Just like here, Oro will simply create another out of snakes. Or bombard her with snakes from the nub where his arm used to be, stunning or blinding her with snake bites as he prepares the seal or a suffocating anaconda around her throat, or fatal Kusanagi slash.

As for Jiraiya, nothing he has pierces through Rashoumon, let alone three of them back to back. Unless Toad Mouth expands, opening Rashoumon inside it will tear it open, or simply cutting it open with Kusanagi will let Oro out. Jiraiya will pelt him with chakra wasting katon, rasengan or frogs, and Oro will just regenerate over and over, slowing him with poison and pressuring for a Kusanagi strike. The one advantage I can think of that's on his side is that if Oro hit him with the seal, he could counter it, as he has some kind of un-sealing jutsu.

[Draffut]

This is hilarious, I tink I have run out of anything to say, conciderign your lack fo any logic is worse then the guys on Narutofan who think Neji is as strong as 3 Bijuu combined.

You obviously believe Orochimaru has FAR FAR FAR superior healing abilties, then tsunade. Conciderign you believe Tsunade should be worried about snakes which have yet to show any significant poison, but think orochimaru woudl easily survive havign his arm removed or neck broken.

Rashoumon can easily be gone around. And we have nopthing to show Kusanagi can pierce it. If he can't cut Enma, it's very likely he can't cut a defense jutsu like Rashoumon.

Save Manda, not one of his snakes has shown the ability to hurt a ninja above Genin level. a thousand snakes times 0 injury is 0 injury. None have shown any level of poison, or hurt anyone yet. I would have more faith in Tsunade's snake summons, which have shown the ability to spit acid.

Andjust like all summons, if she removed his arm, he can't summon snakes. No arms, no hand seals.

Please remove your fanboyishness from the area.

[ninjabot]

Umm...actually not an Orochimaru fan so...kinda confused as to where the fanboy statement comes from. And, what does using Kusanagi to cut through Rashoumon come from? Why would Orochimaru need to cut through his own...nevermind. I think you confused my "Kusanagi will cut through Toad Mouth" statement with something else. I also used Rashoumon as a way to escape Toad Mouth by making it grow from inside the Toad Mouth...nevermind, it's up there.

As for healing abilities, could you do me a favor and go about three posts back to where I stated "Orochimaru would last longer than Jiraiya due to regenerative abilities. They're not as complex as Tsunade's, but enough to keep him in the fight"? See, I took into concideration the fact that she's a medical nin when I said that. On a side-note though, Tsunade has never healed from being cut in half (Orochimaru has) or having every bone in her body broken (again Orochimaru has), so take that as you will.

And how dare I assume someone that uses snakes to kill people would use the types of snakes that usually kill people (poisonous). Also, I was alluding to their tactical use. Poison isn't the only reason Tsunade should worry about the snakes. Constricting snakes around her to stop or slow her down, or simply biting her all over to induce enough pain to send her on the defensive. Whether they're lethal or not, she won't wade through snakes just to hit Oro because snakebites hurt. Especially from snakes the size of a house.

[Zanteszuken970]

Ok if Orochimaru can heal his arm so well why won't he cut of his arms then regenerate them thus having noo seal on his arms I think that seal that Sarutobi put on his arms takes away his abilitys to regenerate his arms plus that punch that Tsunade gave Orochi in the first fight was a killing blow But Orochi used Edo Tensei n if he didn't use that he would be dead. Tsundae would pwn Orochi

[Draffut]

So ninja, you "assume" the snakes are vastly poisonous, despite orochimaru fightign in many battle already where it has never occured. But then since Tsunade hasn't shown her insane healing abilities, orochimaru's are superior. Despite that she has only fought in 1 short lived battle. Granted you said otherwise "3 posts ago" but you are good at sayign soemthing, so you can try and hide behind it later, then argue soemthign completely different.

I think thats the definition of fanboyism.

Hense the reason I see no reason to continue this arguement.

[Zanteszuken970]

That Diatopa teqnique was pretty cool n it would be pretty hard for them to avoid that sea of snakes thing cause each snakes spits out Koshuna Daggers or whatever daggers there called but Tsunade would kill Orochimaru n with her Skiled .healing abilities she should be able to heal snake poisons there not the same as Sasoris I'm sure

[ninjabot]

Well you learn something new everyday...I thought fanboyism was when someone defends a character they really like without any canon proof that said character is as godly as the supposed fanboy makes them out to be. Hmm. Well, I agree with you. No reason to continue said topic.

[Draffut]

Well you learn something new everyday...I thought fanboyism was when someone defends a character they really like without any canon proof that said character is as godly as the supposed fanboy makes them out to be. Hmm. Well, I agree with you. No reason to continue said topic.

Pretty much, but sometimes people wont accept they are fanboys.

Like anouther person I know from a different forum I used to argue with regularly with. Despite the fact that he had an Orochimaru Signature, and Avatar, and argued that Orochimaru was the single strongest charecter in the series, and was only beaten by Itachi becuase MS offered a special advantage over him noone else had.

He denied vehemently that he was a fanboy, until he came to accept it after like 4 months of arguing.

Then orochimaru died, and we didn't see much of him anymore after that.

Granted you are a pretty dedicated Sasuke fanboy, but you got some Orochimaru in there to. Just like I am a Zetsu fanboy, with some Jiraiya mixed in.

[Zanteszuken970]

I'm a Hinata fanboy I protect her to the fullest lol but if someone says she would loose against Neji I say whatever I think she would beat him lol but yeah can someone give me a link were Itachi beats Orochimaru please

[Jeggo]

Well , I AM an orochimaru fanboy , so i wont state my opinion 'cause its not really true... Anyway , if i exclude orochimaru i believe Jiraiya wins.

[bktoboca]

jirayai. he just all around good, i think his physical fighting is good to with his jutcu use

[Jay3205]

In Shippuuden, Jiraiya would win. Orochimaru's newest body was not a prime choice, and he still apparently suffered from some effects of the seal put on him by the last hokage.

[Aina1]

draw . . . just like the episode even though Tsunade was kicking Orochimaru's ass

[Jeggo]

Jiraiya. Read the latest chapter. ty.

[KholdStare]

Jiraiya. Read the latest chapter. ty.

Haha yea. If any of the spoilers are true, then most definitely Jiraiya.

[Chi]

Yeah am going to have to agree that Jiraya would win this totally. Though we've seen Taijustu extraordinare from Tsunade i want to see what Ninjustu she knows otherwise i'd definitely say Jiraya... He's the only one Itachi admited to being able to lose too in an all out fight betwen him and Kisame. While Orochimaru using his most powerful technique was defeated with a swipe of Itachi's sword >.>

[xiphosforr]

hmmm, i think it would be a draw, one on one orochimaru would win, but against two other legendary sanin it would have to be a draw :D
plus Tsunade kicks ass!

[FullMetal Rebel]

Orochimaru is the strongest Sannin.

He held his own without handseals(no zanpaktou for Bleach characters) Orochimaru has the most jutsu out of the three Sannin also. Orochimaru can heal, a big advantage for himself.

Jiraiya can't hold a candle to Orochimaru.

[Chi]

You can't be serious... the dude lost to a dying itachi in one shot. While a healthier Itachi admited death would occur at the hands of Jiraya. Pein who's even stronger still admited that Jiraya would have killed him had he 1. still had one hand 2. Figured out the secret sooner. Orochimaru... *crickets sing* gets one shotted by a dying itachi, maybe when they were kids he was far stronger then them but htat gap's been closed and exceeded... I don't know i still think we haven't seen everything from Tsunade.

[FullMetal Rebel]

You can't be serious... the dude lost to a dying itachi in one shot. While a healthier Itachi admited death would occur at the hands of Jiraya.

When did Naruto become Paper>Rock>Scissors? Your saying Jiraiya can take Susanoo's sword? Wheres the logic behind that?

Pein who's even stronger still admited that Jiraya would have killed him had he 1. still had one hand 2. Figured out the secret sooner.

Again this isn't Paper>Rock>Scissors

[ninjabot]

^Likewise...I still call BS on that "Jiraiya > Itachi" stuff. If that is true in any way at all, it's because Itachi was still weak from illness even that far back.

But again, Jiraiya doesn't have the tools to keep Oro down through out this fight thanks to regeneration. One will tire out, the other won't. See the Oro vs. Jiraiya thread for more on that.

[Chi]

When did Naruto become Paper>Rock>Scissors? Your saying Jiraiya can take Susanoo's sword? Wheres the logic behind that?Well apparently he can, because Itachi isn't one to underestimate his opponents. Even if he was still sick back then, he was on the verge of death and one shotted a healthy Orochimaru in his Hydroform *points at ninjabots post*Again this isn't Paper>Rock>ScissorsWhat the **** are you talking about??:eek13: This doesn't even make sense since paper is in no way greater then rock. If anything Rock (Jiraya)> scissors (Itachi) > paper (Orochimaru) and am not going by those gay child rules of paper covers rock since rock can't get damage by paper would still be fine.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Well apparently he can, because Itachi isn't one to underestimate his opponents.Itachi had no intentions whatsoever to fight Jiraiya. Kisame's WTF like response was proof enough. Itachi running from Jiraiya basically became null and void after the Uchia fight. This was argued to death at NF.

What the **** are you talking about?? This doesn't even make sense since paper is in no way greater then rock. If anything Rock (Jiraya)> scissors (Itachi) > paper (Orochimaru) and am not going by those gay child rules of paper covers rock since rock can't get damage by paper would still be fine. Just because character A is stronger than character B doesn't in no way mean A>C. UFC and Boxing proves this.

[First_Vizard]

I think Orochimaru is the strongest, followed by Jiraya.

However I think Tsunade is not even in the same league as Oro and Jiraya. I think Kakashi would destroy Tsunade and so would Kabuto (oh and Sasuke)

[Chi]

... That's why everyone including the other two sanin don't want to upset her huh? This is shippuden man not the old Naruto stuff.