(Environmentally)Friendly cars?

[Anil]

I'm wondering if it isn't about time that some of the world's nations take a serious step toward reducing the amount of harmful cars on the road... by that I mean, cars with low gas mileage that give off harmful emissions...

I know that there is tech out there and that individual companies are making real progress toward lowering the harmful gas emissions for their vehicles but...

...I watched a report that said Iceland is taking steps toward making its transportation industry supportable by hydrogen-powered vehicles... This means that the government is putting in the money for the refueling stations and such that will encourage its citizens to put out for fuel-cell cars and whatnot...

So if Iceland can do it(and I'm not knocking them) then why not the U.S. or Canada or whatever...

Or is it that the grip the oil economy has on the market would take too severe a blow...? Are politicians worried that people will think that the economy will be crippled...?

your thoughts...

[DragonLink]

it costs loads of money and barely anyone will be able to afford one.

THey are mentioning solar powered, but thats just plain idiotic considering the fact it wont work during night.

Worlds going to end, oh well. Im ready!

[haruki_jitsunin]

Well, America is taking small steps towards a better, more inviromentally friendly, state of mind. Note that I said small steps. We have started introducing hybrids and the "new" diesel cars to lower emissions, but since we are the world power as of this moment, many people don't think about the world, but about themself.

[DragonLink]

So true, People literally dont give a damn about anything any more except them selves.


Like me ^_^

but Im worse.

Im sure theres a easier way to make a better vehicle that doesnt harm our world but I just cant quite think of it

[haruki_jitsunin]

So true, People literally dont give a damn about anything any more except them selves.


Like me ^_^

but Im worse.

Im sure theres a easier way to make a better vehicle that doesnt harm our world but I just cant quite think of it


What about that new corn fuel... is it very enviromentally friendly?

[General Cox]

mainly most of the options for cars like that are not technically viable atm. Your talking mixing other fuel sources with petrol, this decreases the amount of energy you get from the fuel, meaning you end up using more to get upto a decent speed and over long journey's.

Hydrogen power, well the technologie involved is certainly viable and they are doing a hell of a lot of testing in ice4land atm, but the fact is the engines are going to cost so bloody much to make, that noone would be able to afford it anywho. Plus the technologie to mass produce the engines are still years off, itll be about 5 years at least before we see hydrogen becoming a truely viable option.

lol. i can't believe you expect america to go to all these lengths when they dont even accept that burning these tpyes of fuels and creating CO2 is creating the greenhouse effect. They would have to accpet that before they start looking at different powered cars.

[DragonLink]

you mean like CORN??? corn from farms?

Sure thats enviromentally friendly

BUT THINK OF THE "STARVEN CHILDREN"

[Sahiden]

Hydrogen power, well the technologie involved is certainly viable and they are doing a hell of a lot of testing in ice4land atm, but the fact is the engines are going to cost so bloody much to make, that noone would be able to afford it anywho. Plus the technologie to mass produce the engines are still years off, itll be about 5 years at least before we see hydrogen becoming a truely viable option.


The hydrogen engine actually has ben invented a long time ago in amny nations including the US. Unfortunately the project's are being systematically shut down by governments, as it is crippling the economy.
Nature has to make place for economy in their eyes. You can't blame them either since the economical system we live with sucks.


lol. i can't believe you expect america to go to all these lengths when they dont even accept that burning these tpyes of fuels and creating CO2 is creating the greenhouse effect. They would have to accpet that before they start looking at different powered cars.

Well, it isn't proven that the greenhouse effect is due to man, everyone likes to blame humans yes... But most theoretici agree that it is highy likely a natural process. The greenhouse effect is going to increase, no matter what humans do, in the end it will most likely invoke the next ice-age or flood everything. (Even the actual effects are unknown, in fact... It hasn't even been proven that there is an actual greenhouse effect.)

[Anil]

you mean like CORN??? corn from farms?

Sure thats enviromentally friendly

BUT THINK OF THE "STARVEN CHILDREN"


we make alot of stuff out of corn as it is.... the fuel you're talking about is ethanol...? Or was it methanol... I'll look that up later...

But you all have some good points... many things aren't completely ready for fullscale production yet... but that takes time and money, and unless people are willing to put in the effort it will take even longer...

Also, it's true that nothing is certain about the greenhouse effect... The data is still relatively new and the small amount of data of 30-40 years of accumulation is mnute compared to Earth's lifespan...

However the pollutants that these cars produce are still harmful... so I still think we should be doing something about increasing gas mileage and decreasing emmisions...

Here is another important thing... there is a lot of conflicting information with respect to this topic... so its doubtful that there's any clear-cut soultion...

Solar powered cars don't just run in the day by the way... there is a stored battery for nightime use as well... the point is simply to reduce the use of gasoline as an automotive fuel source...

What about electric cars...?

[SminG]

If city planners could design and build an extremely practical, fast, cheap and enjoyable public transport system that people would actually want to use, then there would be very little need for cars and that would mean less pollution. But right now, this type of thing is rare and extremely difficult to achieve... perhaps there's an easier way?

[haruki_jitsunin]

If city planners could design and build an extremely practical, fast, cheap and enjoyable public transport system that people would actually want to use, then there would be very little need for cars and that would mean less pollution. But right now, this type of thing is rare and extremely difficult to achieve... perhaps there's an easier way?

The world may never know...

man, these debates are nothing compared to the other forum I'm used to ...

[Sahiden]

Yeah, I'm sooooo relaxed here too. But I don't mind, since I hardly speak my own mind.

[ssjharsh]

Environemental friendliness takes a whole different attitude that many ppl and corporations are not willing to take up yet, because ppl have this tendency not to do anything until they see visible damage (and then they freak out). There are good ideas that can work, as in better burning cars or public transport, but most ppl still put their personal comfort over "saving the environment." I know atleast in the US, the car is a must, and it holds such a big part of the American lifestyle I do not see it going anywhere anytime soon. I think the only reason people are even bothering to buy hybrids or electic cars (which are really not that much better, because much of the electricity comes from plants that burn fuel), is the increased prices for gas.

man, these debates are nothing compared to the other forum I'm used to ...

Well, we aren't (atleast I'm not) by any means experts on the stuff we talk about. I just like anime, and arguing... so why not get it all done at one spot?
Anyway, I like the atmosphere on the site... alot of other sites just have pages and pages of filler (like "yea i agree") or flaming.

[roach654]

for one weve had the technolgy and envintions for this for a long time thair are hundred of other actual runing enginen disines that are non poluting and eficiant bye far but companies like oil natural gas electric companys bye out the patenents for these enventions so we people of the world never see them i mean come on weve had technology to run vehicles on any thing that burned since world war 2 our tanks then dident even run on oil they ran of any thing that would burn wood chips paper any thing that will burn hey look we can solve part of or garbage problem ass well dont no if that is enviromentaly safe or not but im sure gas is worse
sincerly roach

[strydr]

well to tell you the situation in my country - South Africa.
We cant exactly upgrade to these new cars yet because we are still 3rd world compared to germany, us,uk,malaysia.
If we had to there would have to be a change in petrols some people wont have a car to go to work.
I think it is a good idea - but in my country it is unrealistic.

[Lunar]

well they are building those hyrdrogen gas cars.... electric cars kinda still in the past but not really used as much...

[Tokoyami]

The problem with making enviormentally "safe" cars is because to actually affect the situation significantly, we would have to switch 20 multitudes of people to hydrogen cars. Thats a task thats not done lightly. Also, seperating the hydrogen from water and other compounds takes heat. And making so much hydrogen would mean burning alot more fuels in factories to supply heat, releasing more smoke, smog, etc into the air.

Its much more than switching our engine types.

Edit: also, many people dont care about it, and wouldnt make the switch.