Writers guild [Archive]

Jeem

10-08-2007, 03:46 AM

I'd be in, but this'll probably take a while to organize. I'm willing to help organize, and like Dec said, alot of us have def thought of this before. Alot of the more "prominent" writers will have to work out some sort of selection process, so it will be more organized. I'll definitely do what I can to move this along (though, we might want to wait till everyone has more time). We can probably choose leaders soon enough.

On another note, both me, Dec, and now you Lex, chose the name "Writer's Guild" :)

Lex

10-08-2007, 07:22 AM

Hey Jeem, yeah, great writers think alike hey?
Yeah it will take a while that much I can understand but I think it is time that we just give it a shot, even if this only gets off the ground next year it doesn't matter.
We need our guild!
Thanks all of you guys willing to join!

Lethe

10-15-2007, 03:00 AM

I'll be more than happy to join as well.

Most of my writing are posted on different sites, thus is why you don't see any of them here.

:kitty:

Lex

10-15-2007, 07:15 AM

We're just waiting for Decardo and Jeem to finish with exams, I myself am starting them in 3 weeks time, if you don't count practical exams. Until then it's just a plan.

Jeem

10-16-2007, 01:28 AM

I actually don't have exams right now; I've just been busy will all the extracurricular goodness I have going on at school. But, the play I was in just ended, so I should have a bit more spare time on my hands. Feel free to PM me with any ideas and such.

Toasty

10-17-2007, 10:38 PM

This is just a suggestion, but many of you seem to want only ACTIVE members in the guild. I agree. That is what I would like as well. So here is my suggestion:

- Newbies can not enter the guild. They must be registered members with a decent post count (not spam).

- Active writers are those that write a LOT of works or critique a lot of works. I do not mean one liners either. They need to be thought out and constructive critiques. Writing does not have to be of decent quality (meaning decent grammar skills and well-written).

- They must play well with others. Seriously, what's the point in a guild if everyone is fighting each other. Be mature about things. ESPECIALLY when giving or taking opinions. Opinions are just that --- OPINIONS... not facts. Take them as such.

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I hope you like my suggestion on active members. If you want to discuss this more, just PM me and I'll work on helping you all get this set up!!

-Toasty

silverwolf801

10-17-2007, 11:17 PM

hm i am game

Jeem

10-17-2007, 11:42 PM

@Toasty, I agree, we shouldn't let complete newbies join. However, I would submit that we look more at quality, not quantity of writing; it can take a considerable amount of time to write one good piece. Of course, we'll have high standards to judge too, but I think potential would really be what we were looking for.

Perhaps, like GFX, we could have a classification system, and only those of a certain classification could get in. This would also help those who have "potential", but who are not quite "there" continue to write more. And to encourage people to continue to write (thus ensuring activity), we could have the leaders of the guild PM those whom we haven't seen anything from in a while.

And of course, we'd want to make sure the members could play well with others; if someone does nothing but berate the writing (or character) of others, they shouldn't be in the guild.

Toasty

10-17-2007, 11:50 PM

@Jeem: The only problem with a classification system is that writing is a lot more difficult to judge than GFX (no offense to our wonderful GFX ppl... you have a tough job ahead of you...) ... there are so many different styles, and I find it difficult to believe that any small group of us are truly qualified to judge words that were created for enjoyment, emotion, description, persuasion, etc. There are so many things that we have to look for, and it is SO easy to get lost in opinions. Which is why I feel that grammar should play a LARGE role in the writing of the story, poem, lyrics, etc.

Seriously, I love the idea of a classification system. I tried to see if we could get one started at the Poetry Corner, but it didn't get off the ground. There wasn't enough support... and more than enough indecisiveness and just plain "no"s from various members.

Like I said, it would be difficult to classify it, and we'd end up meeting a lot of the same heat that the GFX crew received. They had to deal with a lot of anger about personal biased, styles, fads, etc. I'm not sure if that is something we'd want to introduce into the Writing and Lit section.

Again, I'm for the idea, just hesitant about some of the consequences of it.

Jeem

10-18-2007, 04:23 AM

I agree, it could be quite difficult. I also believe you are correct in saying grammar and syntax should play a very large role; those are easy to judge. Although, I think you brought up a good point that perhaps was coincidence: emotion. Perhaps, if we were to start a classification system, the main judgement would not be "good" or "bad", but it would be judged on how much it moves the reader. If the reader gets the point, feels the emotion, then that is one way to judge almost anything.

Perhaps we should start out with more modest "judgements", as you said, mainly based on syntax thus establishing some sort of standard to get into the guild. Then, perhaps, when we get enough trusted judges, we could attempt to implement a classification system.

Lex

10-18-2007, 07:19 AM

I'm not a fantastic author but I enjoy what I do. As for the classifications and stuff, lets not do the newbie, or expert thing. Fo now lets just consider classification of work, fanifics, non fiction, romance, things like that, later we can have it more creative and difficult.
But I agree on the no Newbie rule! It will make it difficult for us to work with.
As for help with writing and stuff, I have some books that I got from a course that can give other writers tips and stuff, if you guys don't mind using them.

I'm glad to see so many people interested in this!

Oh yeah, I have a suggestion too...how about we include some artists here to do front covers for the books that are here. i know I'm having someone on C.B design the covers for To a Fallen World and Rising World....
Just a suggestion, use it, abuse it, your choice.

Decado

10-18-2007, 08:34 AM

Despite being a good suggestion, I disagree with the 'classification' idea. As already mentioned, there are different styles etc - and it would eventually come down to individual preference of style rather than actual good work.

Also yes. No newbies.

And as Toasty said, consider them as opinions.

I've been asked to critique countless works on CB, and most of the time ppl are cool with it. However, at times, ppl take it personally when I say "your sentence structure is incorrect" or the like, and get all anal about my C&C, even tho its completely valid.

Newbies can not enter the guild. They must be registered members with a decent post count (not spam).
Yep. I would suggest at least a minumum post count of 500.

This is to ensure activity. If we let in someone less than 250, it doesn't mean they're committed to CB.

I don't want anyone in the team who doesn't care about the progress of the guild

Active writers are those that write a LOT of works or critique a lot of works. I do not mean one liners either. They need to be thought out and constructive critiques.
Aye. Right on.

This way, I can actually specify other people for the role of "judge" in fanfic comps and the like, rather than me being the lone judge like times before - since it may seem unfair to have only one judge.
But I guess ppl trust me since they voted for me in the logies, so that's good that they know I hold no bias.

hm i am game
Write something.

Lex

10-18-2007, 08:51 AM

Fair enough but like I said it was just a suggestion. As for judging, I don't know if I know enough to 'judge' works very well, content yes, but not the actual grammer and other errors, I'm just not that good.
I agree on the 500 post maximum, this should be a serious guild, not for some 'kid' to come in here and give comments that mean nothing at all or just doesn't make sense.

Toasty

10-18-2007, 02:46 PM

Okay, here's a thought. I want each of you to go through the sections of the Writing and Lit section and make a list of all those who you feel are good writers, critics, and active. PM the list to me, and I want to send a PM to them asking their opinions on the Writer's Guild, if they would join, what they would/could contribute, and how comfortable they are with their grammar skills or ability to review works written by others.

Thanks!!

-Toasty

Aesthetique

10-19-2007, 01:11 AM

*pops in* o.o!

Interesting idea ~ I'd love to participate in this! ^o^/

Mobius

10-19-2007, 01:56 AM

if an artists guild does get established i think that it is without a doubt in the best interests of the "guild" for Decado to be the Leader or taichou.

IMO:
decado is:
Best Writer (CB logie)
most active writer.
most well established on CB
most likely to be able to manage the guild well.

well there is my two cents.

and also classing is a bad idea, not just coz of diff styles but though you can consider factors such as structure etc, it is just too ambigouos to do.

BamBam vi Britannia

10-19-2007, 02:15 AM

Everyone is coming up with good ideas so i dont have much to say.
I agree with the activity proposal ( it would mean i cant be accepted currently >.<)
and
I think there should be a minimum # of works a member should present before they are accepted.

deathangel20

10-19-2007, 03:39 AM

a 500 post minimum...what a shame, itll take a long time to get that high.

disregarding that, i would like to help...even though im a "newbie"

Jeem

10-19-2007, 03:58 AM

All right, I suppose the classing is pretty much out of the question; it would be rather ambiguous. I also concur with the fact that it'd be nice to have more judges for different writing competitions (even if it means we can't participate ourselves :p).

And Avinash is probably right; Dec would be a very suitable "leader".

BeeCrest

10-19-2007, 03:59 AM

Instead of classifications, how about having people apply to the guild?

/me shrugs

Just a random idea.

Aesthetique

10-19-2007, 06:39 AM

xD Indeed.

Decado

10-19-2007, 06:44 AM

Instead of classifications, how about having people apply to the guild?

/*me shrugs

Just a random idea.
Yeh. If you scroll up, you'll see I rejected the classification idea and made suggestions as to what the entry requirements would be when ppl simply apply to the guild, so it ensures the Guild won't become a newb-fest of inactivity and disorganisation :)

if an artists guild does get established i think that it is without a doubt in the best interests of the "guild" for Decado to be the Leader or taichou.

IMO:
decado is:
Best Writer (CB logie)
most active writer.
most well established on CB
most likely to be able to manage the guild well.
And Avinash is probably right; Dec would be a very suitable "leader".

Thnx guys. I'm not sure if we need a leader, but I'd be happy to be one of the leading spokesman if we have more so a 'panel' :3

Lex

10-19-2007, 07:15 AM

I agree on Decado as leader/spokesperson/ and so on and so on! Why not, someone to keep the site going while the others aren't around.

Aesthetique

10-19-2007, 08:35 AM

Hmm... Does this guild cover all sorts of writers? Or does it only stretch to cover the prose writers, since the Poetry Corner already exists? o.o

And a panel, as Decado mentioned, would be lovely. If it was a one-(wo)man-leader running the show and he/she vanished, what would happen then? The whole guild - would it go poof into oblivion? o.o;; Panel = more leaders = activity guarentee. ;D

Thankies. <3

Decado

10-19-2007, 09:27 AM

Does this guild cover all sorts of writers?
Yes it will. Anyone that writes anything that can be considered a work of fiction. In my view :)

Aesthetique

10-19-2007, 10:18 AM

Awesome, Decado. n_________n <3

Decado

10-19-2007, 10:36 AM

Just on your second point:
And a panel, as Decado mentioned, would be lovely. If it was a one-(wo)man-leader running the show and he/she vanished, what would happen then? The whole guild - would it go poof into oblivion? o.o;;
lol of course not. The next senior member would step up.

I've found with these sorts of things, especially on CB, having a leader is a good resource, since there'll be lots of questions, blame, etc, and it usually goes to one person anyway. Don't you hate working in those "teams" where you do all the work?

Having a leader with a panel would be beneficial. :)

silverwolf801

10-19-2007, 11:30 AM

hm what do mean exactly by a work of fiction. DO you mean like fiction ideas of a dragon and a boy.

Decado

10-19-2007, 11:39 AM

A story.

Starting. Middle. End. Of reasonable quality

Toasty

10-19-2007, 11:52 AM

I do agree, Decado would be a great leader!! And a panel would help things run smoothly.

As for the Poetry Corner. You can ask just about any member... it's pretty dead in there. And a lot of newbies were accepted in. There were no requirements set up at the beginning... and it doesn't do as much as we would have liked. The occasional battle, but I don't think anyone even really checks it anymore.

.Socio

10-20-2007, 12:40 AM

I'm interested in joining, I was going to set one up myself, but now it is starting already.

If i qualify to join, then I'd be more than happy to CnC more works ad post more of my stuff up.

Jeem

10-20-2007, 04:56 AM

Having a leader with a panel would be beneficial
Perhaps you could come up with a fun name for the "panel", Dec :p.
Speaking of which, would Dec (or whoever our fearless leader ends up being) organize said panel? If so, I think it'd be best to just pm the few who are going to be on the panel.

...So should we go ahead and do a formal vote for leader, or wait till later?

Toasty

10-20-2007, 05:02 AM

I think that a vote could be in order. If one of you wants to organize the votes, go ahead. Or I'll do it tomorrow. :) I just dont' know who all would be interested. I know I'm too busy to even want to be considered... I'll just mod a bit. ;) But I know I'd love to be a part of the Writer's Guild... This is both exciting and good for the Writing/Lit section.

I really think a thread asking people to nominate others (or themselves) for the position would be a good idea. Then a poll created for the leader. If that's too complex, please just ignore it. *shrug*

G'luck!

Jeem

10-21-2007, 06:34 PM

I agree with the nominations thread; I was actually about to suggest that before reading this post. I can go ahead and do that right now.

Cheryl

10-21-2007, 06:39 PM

Lex

10-22-2007, 07:12 AM

I like the idea of a panel, really good idea!

Decado

10-24-2007, 04:45 AM

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?p=2153040#post2153040

Silhouette

10-24-2007, 10:41 PM

I've noticed this thread for a while but never really got down to reading all the posts here.
I'm interested in joining this, please count me in. :)
As for who should manage the guild, I believe Decado is more than qualified for the job. Along with a few members assisting him.

What she said.

While I'm still a relative newb when it comes to writing, I'd like to join as well. Though I have to say, I think RPing's made me a better writer.

Anyway, it seems that my nominees were already nominated, so there's really no point in me posting in that other thread... unless things get too close or whatever.

{edit}

A story.

Starting. Middle. End. Of reasonable quality

Does part one of a series count as a 'story'? Because it somewhat ends in a closure, though its also somewhat of a cliffhanger.. Meh.

Decided to redo Dominion of the Twilight, and 'finished' it, but it'll be part of a series.

Decado

10-25-2007, 06:55 AM

Yeh, anything like a fiction is acceptable. It can be ongoing

While I'm still a relative newb when it comes to writing, I'd like to join as well. Though I have to say, I think RPing's made me a better writer.
I agree. I've seen your writing before and after ongoing RP. It definitely improved. You should have no trouble joining the Guild

Silhouette

10-25-2007, 06:47 PM

You've been reading my RP posts, eh? I think I saw you in TWTNW thread.. *shrug* I tend to do a lot of lazy posts there also, so meh.

Thanks by the way. I hope to keep improving, and I know this guild can help with that. My main problem seems to be my short attention span... and overall laziness.

{edit}

At any rate, I'm going to start posting a revise of my fic.