Chapter 201: Wind & Snowbound [Spoilers]

[asukasun]

Seems like Rukia will show us her shikai Zanpakutou form against Dee Roy, which has ice and water abilities. :toocool:

there are more details at

http://www.bleachforums.com/showthread.php?t=9050

Chapter 201 RAW (http://www.bleachportal.net/bleach/multimedia/direct_raw_manga)

[NetBelleAnie]

YES! Yay for Powered-up Rukia! W00T!

*will now dance*

[sinkinswimmer]

.... must... have... raw...

[8GaugeBrett]

Hell yeh! she is not just a cheerleader anymore!

[NykylaiHellray]

we have not even 200 yet O.O

....scanlation is slow at the mo

[Constantine]

I have 200

:P

[sinkinswimmer]

i also have 200 .... =P

[NykylaiHellray]

WHERE IS 200 o.o

[davey062]

I am all gitty like when i was a little schoolgirl!! :eek: I can't wait for it!!

[sinkinswimmer]

WHERE IS 200 o.o

well, i would check the last page of the chapter 200 thread.

[Constantine]

LOL!

Also www.stoptazmo.com has it

[NykylaiHellray]

>< lol i did, and it did not work, then i figured out the link was in two parts =) lol

[thematrix]

Whow, cool to know Rukia is finaly able to show she isn't just a 1m50 hotty with big eyes!

[jodec123]

chap 201 looks awesome!! (unfortuantely, i dont speak Japanese so i'll just have to wait for the sub to come out...anywho, i went to the link asukasun so kindly supplied for us, and i copied the script here for all us lazy bums:

Bleach c201 - Wind&Snowbound

(Deiroy shakes Ichigo's hand and lets go)

Sado: (I would've died... Had Ichigo been a step slower, I really would've died...)

Ichigo: ...Sado, take cover.

Sado: Wa-wait! I can still--

Ichigo: Don't worry Sado, just leave it to us.

Sado: ...All right... I understand... (--I see...) I'll leave it up to you... Ichigo.

(Sado dashes off to find some cover and runs into Rukia, who is converging on Ichigo's position)

Rukia: Thank goodness you're safe!

(Sado and Rukia part ways as soon as they meet, each in different directions)

Sado: (Ichigo... you've already... done so much...)

Sado: (We just... can't help you out anymore-- Ichigo...!!)

(The panels return to Ichigo's situation)

Deiroy: ...Well, well, well... I would've had fun had I killed him sooner.

(Rukia arrives on the scene, and the both of them confront Deiroy)

Ichigo: Rukia...

Rukia: Well... I ran into Sado about halfway here... This the ******* that tried to off him?

Ichigo: What now? It's not like we're gonna pull back or anything right?

Rukia: ...Step back, Ichigo.

Ichigo: Ah!? I'm not gonna-- turn... tail...

(Rukia takes out some Soul Candy and swallows it)

Rukia: ...Leave this to me, you can go and pull out for now. I've been meaning to grind this bastard down with my power... even before this fight started.

Deiroy: So now the problem seems to be which of you I should drop first.

(Ichigo stands awed at the Shinigami form Rukia has not been in for so long)

Ichigo: Rukia, you... regained your... Shinigami powers?

Rukia: ...Cat got your tongue? Remember, the reason why I couldn't revive my powers was because of Urahara's work. With that now out of the picture, it was only a matter of time before I returned to my normal self.

Ichigo: Ru... ki...

Proxy Soul Rukia: Pyon!

Ichigo: Ahhh! Wha... what the hell is this thing!?

Proxy Soul Rukia: I'm here to help you withdraw♪. Pyon!

Ichigo: Pyon?!

Rukia: In the Female Shinigami Association, "Chappy" here is the most popular version!

Rukia: It's the first Gikongan I bought with my own money and, as you can see, it can swap places with me whenever I need to change forms.

Ichigo: What gives!? So that thing can actually move into another's body for substitution?!

Proxy Soul Rukia: That's right! Pyon!

Ichigo: If you had that, then you stuck me with Kon on purpose!!!

Soul Proxy Rukia: That's cruel! Pyon!

Ichigo: Man, shut up, will ya!? You better put on a good show!! Idededede!!!

(Deiroy wastes no time in striking at Rukia)

Ichigo: Rukia!!!

(Rukia manages to block the attack, but is overpowered and thrown into the sky)

(Deiroy chases Rukia past a utility pole and the wooden structure is cut down)

(The Arrancar catches the falling obstruction and identifies himself)

Deiroy: The name's Deiroy, 16th of the Arrancar.

Rukia: I'm of the 13th Division--

Deiroy: Not gonna finish eh? Well, fine. All those involved that we've targeted are marked for elimination anyway, so what good will it do to know everything about you guys.

Rukia: Maybe when it comes to knowing ranks-- Though, I'm sure knowing the name of another sword wouldn't hurt.


"Whirl, Shirayuki (White Snow)."

(Rukia releases her Zanpakutou.)

Deiroy: (Her Zanpakutou-- it's turned white...!)

Rukia: First Dance, White Month.

(The blade of Rukia's Zanpakutou disappears from Deiroy's sight for a moment, but reappears. A circle around the Arrancar's feet now seems to be freezing up his leg.)

Deiroy: Wha... What... in the hell is going on here!? You!

(Deiroy jumps away from the ground escaping the influence of Rukia's Shikai.)

Deiroy: Damn it!! You little freak Shinigami!!!

Deiroy: Let's see how you fare when I'm up here!! You won't be able to do much now with just a sword that freezes the land! Die, you little insect!!!

(Deiroy's right eye shines ominously.)

Rukia: --Now isn't that a shame?

(The land that froze beneath Deiroy's feet has risen sharply up into the sky as an icicle which and has now ensared the Arrancar.)

End of c201


Ending text:
Rukia... Shirayuki is not simply the sword which makes the land freeze, anything and everything within its circle of influence, be it heaven or earth, is under Shirayuki's icy grasp.

With Rukia's icicle cracking, what happens next?

isn't this chapter AWESOME!!?!!!

[Jinchuu]

1m50 hotty with big eyes!
1.44cm (Sumpf might have corrected before I did, lol.)

Well, I would have prefered Rukia to stay a weakling and if Rukia kills that Deeroy guy which is a complete vastorade arrancar... I'm out.

[GaryDAI]

I think she surprised him. I think Ichigo is going to have to save her in the next chapter. I still love it though! Go Rukia!!! ^_^

[Constantine]

wait... how can rukia even compare? she barely has her shikai, whereas compared to Kisuke, who couldnt even do anything.

[SumpfFuchs]

1.44cm (Sumpf might have corrected before I did, lol.)

Well, I would have prefered Rukia to stay a weakling and if Rukia kills that Deeroy guy which is a complete vastorade arrancar... I'm out.


sorry, 1.44cm just doesnt work, its 1.44m, not cm, she is 144cm tall not 1.44cm, just 1.44m or 144cm, got it? anyways, i think im going to drop dead of shear happyness right now im like...... cant even describe how happy/exited i am its like...... none of the smilies can describe it either... its like..... omfg so exited super super super super super super super super super super super happy so happy yay i want a poster of rukia with shikai and ill buy all the stuff with rukai and her shikai and everything so happy yayyayaya!!

[ultimate]

this was a pretty good chapter seeing rukia use her shikai against deiroy or watever his name is, but yeh i agree with u jinchuu, it would be weird to see rukia kill a complete vastorode arankaru cos she seemed so weak at the start and hardly fought unless she had to... in that chapter, she tells deiroy that she is of the 13th division but she didnt finish, i wonder wat else she was gonna say...

[jonat3]

1.44cm (Sumpf might have corrected before I did, lol.)

Well, I would have prefered Rukia to stay a weakling and if Rukia kills that Deeroy guy which is a complete vastorade arrancar... I'm out.

That's why i said that an arrancar is not a vastoorode. No way in hell could rukia take on an unaltered vastoorode.

I didn't consider rukia that strong, i thought she was probably 4th seat. The state of events changed my mind though. We've never seen the VC from the 13th division. We all assumed that position was empty. But perhaps it got filled by rukia?

[Jinchuu]

3 types of arrancars.

Arrancar -> Gillian (Gillian's with masks removed, the one that attacked Ishida.)
Arrancar -> Smt. (Grandfisher.)
Arrancar -> Vastorade (Current d00dz.)


And Sumpf, go kill yourself.

[SumpfFuchs]

i could and i wouldnt regret it, im so happy, but the only problem is before i die i wanna see rukias shikai so i have to wait kk?

[jonat3]

3 types of arrancars.

Arrancar -> Gillian (Gillian's with masks removed, the one that attacked Ishida.)
Arrancar -> Smt. (Grandfisher.)
Arrancar -> Vastorade (Current d00dz.)


And Sumpf, go kill yourself.

I interpreted stuff differently. The way they speak about arrancars and vastoorodes, leads me to believe that arrancars are just normal hollows turned hybrid. So that would mean that every hollow that has been called arrancar was never a menos before they became hybrids to begin with.

Even if a menos hybrid can be called arrancar, atleast this puts another nail on the coffin on the theory that all 20 are vastoorodes.

[newsaidin]

sorry, 1.44cm just doesnt work, its 1.44m, not cm, she is 144cm tall not 1.44cm, just 1.44m or 144cm, got it?

did you read the pilot of bleach? :face82: 1.44 cm wasnt so far from the truth there :rolleye09

[SumpfFuchs]

did you read the pilot of bleach? :face82: 1.44 cm wasnt so far from the truth there :rolleye09


but being that the pilot bleach isnt the actual storyline because of a new one being used we follow the used storyline

[Hits]

damn, i thought "wind and snowbound" would mean that hitsugaya releases his bankai. -.- this stupid chapter doesnt even feature the other ppl. i think rukia might've been the vc of 13th division or was going to be. hitsugaya ice would own hers. 8)

[Constantine]

The VC was filled by Kaien, after he died the two ties for 3rd seat filled it in, without actually taking the role of VC.

And I hope Hitsugaya's would take Rukia's seeing how its the strongest ice/water type.

[Polygon]

The VC was filled by Kaien, after he died the two ties for 3rd seat filled it in, without actually taking the role of VC.


That was never said...........................

[Sandal Hat]

That was never said........................... But, it is implied since they do everything that VCs do

Edit: also, all the other divisions bring there VCs with them to the execution ground and Ukitake brings them

[Polygon]

But, it is implied since they do everything that VCs do

Edit: also, all the other divisions bring there VCs with them to the execution ground and Ukitake brings them


True, but that proves nothing. Since rukia is the one that might have been the VC and she was the one being executed. I don't think they would let a powerless person on death row assume ?VC duties.

Also I just had an interesting idea. What if the reitsu surpressing rukia's power in ep. 1 was isshin's?

[Jinchuu]

She would have sensed Isshin then, not Ichigo.

[Sandal Hat]

Rukia is definetaley not a VC considering she couldn't beat a such a pitifully weak hollow in episode 1 she doesn't even get a chance to release her shikai and on top of that kaien was VC while Rukia wasn't even seated yet. I higly doubt that she jumped above everyone in ranks and she doesn't even have a VC symbol thing they wear on there arm either plus, it wouldn't make since of her to feel like Renji has surpassed her (while she is still in the prison and Renji comes in to visit)

[farseerdk]

yeah.. she's not even seated i'd guess. either that or kubo is keeping her seat a secret. if im not incorrect seated officers dont get real world assignments unless there's a really big/strong hollow that requires their attention. they're not simple patrollers.

[NetBelleAnie]

If she's seated, we certainly didn't notice it. She probably gained a shitload of power by training before comming back to earth, rather than being previously powerful, because look at what Fishbone D did

[SumpfFuchs]

Here is my theory.

1) Ichigo was leaking reiatsu everywere, ichigo up until rukia was arrested spent how much time with rukia?, a lot, and when rukia was in the tower she could feel herself becoming weaker, so why would she not be able to feel herself becoming weaker inside the gigai if it was making her weaker, i would say that is because even though she was becoming weaker she was also taking in the reiatsu that ichigo was leaking everywere, thus making it so that she did not notice herself becoming weaker. Then when she was arrested she was then seperated from ichigo and then taken out of the gigai, then when she was put in the shrine of pentinance she noticed herself becoming weaker, i say this is because there was not in a essense a source of reiatsu basicly making her stronger as she became weaker thus making it so she did not feel weaker. Also i think that ichigo has something to do with her becomming stronger is that she he was holding her ontop of the execution stand, she said that she could feel his reiatsu making her stronger, why would this be when someone as weak as her shouldnt be able to stand up around ichigo when he is going like that being that she couldnt stand up with aizen, or byakuya near because of their reiatsu, and then that combined with the fact that she stayed at the soul society afterwards for a while and renji told her that ichigo and him were doing the worrying so that she could train and become strong, why wouldnt she train and become strong? Then there is also the fact that she spent a lot of time at byakuyas mansion, who says that he did not personaly train her?

As for rukia loosing to the hollow i would say that it is was a combination of things, first you have three people there with extremely high reiatsu, dont remember the three? let me name them, Ichigo, Isshin, and Urahara, so she is having a hard time sensing the hollow this allowing it to take her by surprise, then you take into account that she is in-experenced, who says that she does not have the knowledge to be a very strong shinigami, like urahara said about ichigo, he is just as strong or stronger then the captians, but he lacks experence, who is to say that rukia isnt a strong shinigami but just lacked experence with the fact that she didnt actualy finish the shinigami school but was send strait to division 13 further adding to the fact of lacking experence, so i would say it is safe to assum that rukia in general lacked experence, yet had the knowledge, along with being taken by surprise, along with the fact that ichigo looks a lot like keian and the fact that she was feeling very very guilty about in here eyes only saving herself when keian was killed probably was also clouding her judgement, so she is in a fight, her senses are dulled, she is caught offguard, she is most likely in a rollercoaster of emotions with ichigo looking just like keian, along with just seeing him break a restraint obstruction spell she believed to be impossible for a human to break, in a fight with if you think about it just about all of the circumstances against her, and then you have ichigo who is in essence going suicidaly against the hollow most likely led rukia to make a mistake and get seriously injured by the hollow thus rendering her unable to fight the hollow leading to the transfere of her powers.


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then there is the theory of that thing being in her, and taken out, maybe she is also a shinigami/hollow hybrid like ichigo and the [im not even going to try to spell it]

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and if thats not good enough, i still want to know why byakuya could have not just been personaly training her being that she did spent a lot of time at his mansion.

[Sandal Hat]

Ichigo was the only one leaking Reiatsu because he couldn't control his at the time. Urahara and Isshin are both captain level shinigami who can control there spirit pressure

Edit: I think a lack of power is what makes her weak,not knowledge or inexperience but lack of power comes from inexperience so i guess she lacks both

[SumpfFuchs]

yea, but they can still be sensed, being that ichigo has a higher reiatsu she did not recognize them, because of his overpowering them all, but theirs would still of had a effect, it is like putting a quieter noise in one place, then a really loud noise next to you to were you cannot hear the first noise, then behind the really loud noise putting two loud noises that would not immediantly be recognized but would still make it even harder to hear the quiet noise

[Polygon]

SumpfFuchs, tat's kinda what I meant. I mean I imagine Byakuya was a little nicer to Rukia after the incedent. Also the fact that she has shinkai and sounds like she can use it a effectivley means she was at least above the normal shinigami level. In a few arcs I would like to see her bankai. Of course having it in this arc would be overkill. Her shinkai sounds pretty strong. I'm guessing that it was a result of kaiens zanpaktou. I mean with Isshin probaley watching Ichigo and Ichigo unknowingly leaking reitsu combined with the hollow's I don't she would be able to sense it very good. She semes surprised beyond belief that she couldn't sense it before.

EDIT: Experience is simply that, experience. No matter what a rookie is still a rookie until he-she actually fights or whatever a lot. Experience is simply doing it to understand it better.

[ultimate]

maybe ichigo around rukia did give her a boost in power like ichigo did to chad and orihime... but rukia was still in her gigai which made her feel weak but when she was outta the gigai and was in that prison she still felt weak cos of the red collar around her neck which i think is supposed to suppress ur spiritual power so u cant use any at all... so when she was about to be executed she felt herself becoming stronger and she probably was... in so in between the time ichigo left soul society and she stayed, she probably was able to train for her shikai quicker (i doubt she has bankai) and she might have been made vice captain of the 13th division in that time too

[Polygon]

just to clarify. I meant I would like to see her ACHIEVE bankai in a few arcs.

[fracturedwings01]

Omg Rukia Has Her Power Again Rejoy Ppl!!!

[SumpfFuchs]

SumpfFuchs, tat's kinda what I meant. I mean I imagine Byakuya was a little nicer to Rukia after the incedent. Also the fact that she has shinkai and sounds like she can use it a effectivley means she was at least above the normal shinigami level. In a few arcs I would like to see her bankai. Of course having it in this arc would be overkill. Her shinkai sounds pretty strong. I'm guessing that it was a result of kaiens zanpaktou. I mean with Isshin probaley watching Ichigo and Ichigo unknowingly leaking reitsu combined with the hollow's I don't she would be able to sense it very good. She semes surprised beyond belief that she couldn't sense it before.

EDIT: Experience is simply that, experience. No matter what a rookie is still a rookie until he-she actually fights or whatever a lot. Experience is simply doing it to understand it better.







yea, we are thinking on the same page from what i am gathering

[red_dragone]

Let's not forget Rukia's had 40 years to improve since original assigment to division 13. Byauka(sp) may not have been kind to Rukia during that time, but I doubt he would not train her upon hearing she had not made a seat. That would bring dishonor upon his family and he wouldn't stand for that. I wouldn't be suprised if Kubo doesn't show Byaukua flashbacks where he trains Rukia until she achieves at least shikai during her time at division 13.

And as for Rukia losing in the beginning, how do you expect her to concentrate when she runs into this kid who looks exactly like the man she admired and maybe loved who she had to kill? I think any of the shinigami except Zarakai would have lost or had trouble under such circumstances

[ultimate]

i dont think rukia seemed that surprised when she met ichigo in ep1 but then byakuya didnt seem surprised either, he just noticed that ichigo looked like kaien thats all... only person who had a surprised look on their face was ukitake... anyway maybe rukia had already seen ichigo before that night when ichigo first met her cos her job is meant to be purifying hollows in that town anyway and she wanted to protect him so yeh that coulda gave her trouble too, difficult to protect someone (thats also trying to fight) and fight ur opponent at the same time...

[SumpfFuchs]

notice how when she first saw him in the town she looked back over her shoulda as if to be taking a second look at him?

[Anil]

*reads chapter script*

....

*rereads chapter script*

... Woah... what the...

... About now I'm wondering why the hell they wouldn't make Rukia VC... I mean, she just... and then... wtf...

Damn... I really hope they have a good explanation for this... if she isn't at least a vice-captain I would want to know WHY THE HELL NOT?!

Unless these Arrancar are just so new that they have trouble controlling their power... or Deiroy is one of the weaker ones in this large group... I wonder if their numbers have something to do with ranking( I know that should seem obvious, but we really haven't been told that it does...) ?

[polkaishot]

So where can I get the raw?

[asukasun]

So where can I get the raw?

the raw isn´t out yet

[SumpfFuchs]

... About now I'm wondering why the hell they wouldn't make Rukia VC... I mean, she just... and then... wtf...


If you think about it, actualy how much of the 13th division is left after the kaien incident? I can if the circumstances are right see her being a vc, but one thing i would definatly expect is for her to be a seated member.

[Anil]

If you think about it, actualy how much of the 13th division is left after the kaien incident? I can if the circumstances are right see her being a vc, but one thing i would definatly expect is for her to be a seated member.


After thinking it over for a while, I'm going to say that she probably is the vc, or an unreasonably strong 4th seat...

everything else strikes me as wrong...

Do you suppose this was the reason she was making fun of Renji when she first got thrown in prison? ... I mean the behavior fits doesn't it...?

[Sha_Ja]

honestly it wouldn't surprise me if she was that powerfull to start with, i mean look at cue ball, hes got his shikai and hes not vice captain, sure you can argue thats the purpose of the squad, But regardless, i'm sure captain emo-hair(Byakuya) could have trained her in at least a little bit.

it was never stated how far behind renji she was, but it couldn't have been much considering renji just got his bankai, even with the time she spent on earth and in prison, that wouldn't account for such a vast ammount of differrece in power between the 2 when it showed that rukia had more power then him to start with.


And lastly why rukia can kill deeroy, and the sorce of her power.....her drawings. :biggrinki

[Raikaze]

wth is that did she just kill one of them? i thought hitsugaya said they were even stronger then captains

[Anil]

wth is that did she just kill one of them? i thought hitsugaya said they were even stronger then captains


... Well quite frankly, we don't know that he's dead yet... but he is impaled... that alone strikes me as ridiculous, considering the strength of the captains... That would likely mean that Rukia is capable of at least holding her own against a captain?

No freaking way... there has to be more to it than that...

[red_dragone]

Hitsyuga said the HIGHEST LEVEL was as strong/stronger than a captain. These are just regular arrancar, hollows w/ broken masks. Aizen's not going to send out his big guns at the very beginning...these are just lackeys to clean up the excess reiatsu before the real battles begin

[Anil]

...

This is what Hitsugaya says...

As you can very well see... these guys are what he's talking about...

[SumpfFuchs]

Just a note, at the link posted in the first post of this thread there are now camera shots avaible, and from the looks of it so far rukias shikai seems to match her very well, but then again we havnt seen much of it.

[brolijc]

wow Rukia look so cool and powerful in chapter 201, well but i don't think that Dee Ray is dead yet... Dee Ray is a broken mask, he can't possibly get defeated like this...

[SumpfFuchs]

notice how shirayuki also has a piece of cloth that comes off the handle like zangetsu?

[StoneTitan]

This is getting interesting.
Good in some way but bad in another.

Good since, its a sign that theres more in a fight then brute strength.

Bad since the godly powerfull characters could then be overpowered by minions.(Still this is more realistical)


Looking at the Guard of her Zanpakuto, its not that big a surprise that her powers got something to do with Water.(Theres to Drops on the Guard :rolleye09 )

^I guess someone already said that, but I didn't like to read through the pages.


Looking forward to reading this chap and seeing the pic's.

[Kenta]

That shikai is as strong or even stronger than Hitsugaya's shikai. Holy crap!

[Constantine]

I doubt that, Hitsugaya is captain level, for someone nto even a VC i doubt hers would even come close. Not to mention its stated that Hitsugayas is the strongest ice/water type soul slayer in SS...

[ban.kai]

um just a note.. in the manga, the ones that the group are fighting now match the silouette... the vastrodes i mean.. theyre not gilians cuz theyre not huge......

[jonat3]

The more complete a hybrid is, the more human he looks. Atleast, that's what i always thought. So not all humanlooking arrancars have to be vastoorodes.
Having said that, no way in hell was d-roy a vastoorodes. A vastoorodes is stronger than a regular captain and rukia is VC level at best.

[Kenta]

Rukia is close to vice captain level, you can tell probably because she didn't fall to the Arankaru's spirit pressure. Her rank is going to surprise us.

[Sandal Hat]

They are vastrodes....look at the pictures and they match. there size and broken mask are are what differentiates them from other hollows

[jonat3]

They are vastrodes....look at the pictures and they match. there size and broken mask are are what differentiates them from other hollows

GF also turned slightly more human after the hougyoku got used on him.

Anyways, my current interpretation of the text leads me to believe that when they are talking about arrancars, they meant normal hollows that turned into a hybrid. Meaning, every hollow that got classified as an arrancar never were menos to begin with.

Anyways, even if menos hybrids can be called arrancars, not all of them have to be vastoorodes. Especially when you consider the recent state of events. Even though rukia turned out to be more powerful than i expected, nobody will ever convince me she's stronger than a regular captain , cause even a regular captain would lose against an UNALTERED vastoorode.

[Sandal Hat]

What do you mean by unaltered? Also, who is to say that Rukia won that fight anyway.

Edit: Also,GF was an early prototype model for the Arankaru, nothing more, nothing less.

[jonat3]

What do you mean by unaltered? Also, who is to say that Rukia won that fight anyway.

When Hitsugaya was talking about vastoorodes being stronger than any captain, he was talking abot the normal vastoorodes. The vastoorodes that haven't been turned in hybrids. Imagine the power of a vastoorodes after the hougyoku got used on them. Probably even stronger than Yamamoto.

Also, i don't think d-roy will go down so easily. However, no vastoorodes would ever get affected or surprised by a mere shikai. If d-roy was truly a vastoorodes, even Ichigo would have trouble with one.


Edit: Also,GF was an early prototype model for the Arankaru, nothing more, nothing less.

That's my point. Even the prototype looked more human. Imagine what a complete arrancar would look like.

[Anil]

OMG!

...
just took a look at the camera shots...

go here... http://www.bleachforums.com/showthread.php?t=9050&page=19&pp=10

And what's with her soul replacement...? It looks like a female version of Kon, jumping on Ichigo like that...

If you haven't looked at the pics... I suggest you do... Rukia HAS to be a Vice-captain...

... if she isn't, someone shoot me...

by the way... Shirayuki definitely suits her... disturbingly so...

[Samiizz]

if u go to that page.. try reading the post after the one with the pix..
that post has a really good point

[General Cox]

iv been thinking about that, do you think she doesnt say her rank is vice captain because kaien was the vice captain and she doesnt feel that she should carry "his" rank?

[asukasun]

I doubt that Rukia is a VC :rolleye09 ... i think she should be at Kiyones and Sentarous level (may be rang 4)... then how could she became more powerful then before? She wasn´t a VC before and she can´t be a VC now :eek13: *that is unbelievable*. I think that Dee-Roy still lives or if he was destroyed he was very weak

and the raw is out Chapter 201 RAW (http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2EVC2FQQC3PLU3I6KCZJMRGN2F)

[Sandal Hat]

That hollow in the beginning was too weak to overcome a VC. Rukia should have been able to defeat it without her shikai, Ichigo did and he was nowhere near VC rank

[8GaugeBrett]

That hollow in the beginning was too weak to overcome a VC. Rukia should have been able to defeat it without her shikai, Ichigo did and he was nowhere near VC rank
Remember at the time she was bitten by the hollow she was using a last ditch effort to simply act as a meat shield to protect Ichigo. Also shinigami of VC or higher rank have their powers cut to 1/5th normal when they come into the mortal world so it is not like she was anywhere a VC level in power at the time.

[Anil]

.... hmm... from the looks of things... she finished him off...*shakes head in disbelief*

looking at it now... she didn't have the reiatsu to cut Deiroy...(he blocks her blade with his hand) but perhaps her shikai is like Yumichika's or Matsumoto's... overpowered for her rank...

That would explain her apparent lack of speed, strength and reiatsu... so I guess Rangiku has a chance of doing something other than getting badly beat...

...sweet...

[NykylaiHellray]

Well I personally think most of the arrnku are second level menos, the gillians.


and that only ullquirra and grimjaw are vasterodes.


But still rukia sholdnt be able to defeat a second level menos hybrid so easily O.o


And remember arrranku WILL have shikai, and i bet del roy will soon be releasing it ^^

[scotto]

Rukia has a white zanpakutou and the she used the first dance "white moon" to kill D.Roy he looked pretty surprised that she had a white zanpakutou so it might be something special

Menos are completely different to the to the arrankar the menos are way stronger and bigger
Theres three levels of menos - grian - thats the one ichigo beat right back at the start and its massive but stupid and slow (captains can be it without a problem)
- Ajuukas - thats the next level up they are a little bit smaller than the grian but way smarter and stronger
- Vastroade- thats the strongest menos and they are stronger than the captains in soul society and about the same size as humans

All that is explained in chapter 197 by hitsugaya.

[chan_shengami]

i thought rukia lost all of her shingami's power bc ichigo drained all of it from her

[Sandal Hat]

Then you, my friend need to read the manga a little more closely. She did infact give her powers to ichigo but, the reason they never came back was because of the hougyoku placed inside of her

[Anil]

Rukia has a white zanpakutou and the she used the first dance "white moon" to kill D.Roy he looked pretty surprised that she had a white zanpakutou so it might be something special

Menos are completely different to the to the arrankar the menos are way stronger and bigger
Theres three levels of menos - grian - thats the one ichigo beat right back at the start and its massive but stupid and slow (captains can be it without a problem)
- Ajuukas - thats the next level up they are a little bit smaller than the grian but way smarter and stronger
- Vastroade- thats the strongest menos and they are stronger than the captains in soul society and about the same size as humans

All that is explained in chapter 197 by hitsugaya.


*sigh* ...why is there so much confusion about this...

yes, the terms described above are accurate...

THE POINT of describing the above to Ichigo was so that he'd understand the scale of the things he was facing...

The current Arrancar are vastrodes that the Hou Gyouku has been already used on... hence why we are having the debate on how strong Rukia is and are wondering how she could take one on...

in closing... human-sized Arrancar= vastrode altered by Hou Gyouku...

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

I think that Rukia being a VC is pretty much out of the question... I think she's still unseated, even though she does have Shikai.... I wonder if it is something she aquired recently? I wonder why she makes Ichigo back off?

[newsaidin]

looking at it now... she didn't have the reiatsu to cut Deiroy...(he blocks her blade with his hand) but perhaps her shikai is like Yumichika's or Matsumoto's... overpowered for her rank...

quick question - what does Matsumoto have? (no jokes plz.. or at least answer and then joke..)

[CrimsonKaze]

About that she couldn't cut him because of the difrence of Reiatsu, I dont think its only because of the difrence in power. Befor he hurt Chad with just his fingers too and then attacked her with just his hand, and he is a Hollow after all, even if he is a Vastoorode, and I would say Hollows are a bit harder to cut anyway and for hands they have sometimes claws and stuff like that. So I wouldnt bet 100% on the big Reiatsu difrence between him and Rukia.

Also I don't think Rukia is THAT weak, she should be a bit under the power of a VC or maybe she is really the new VC and was promoted after all the stuff that happened. Im sure she is strong, even while being weakened and in human Form she was able to use Demon Art on Hollows befor, well it didn't help much but still.

And yes her Shikei seems a bit overpowered like most Shikei that aren't pure attacking typs and have some tricks to them. :winking56

[jonat3]

*sigh* ...why is there so much confusion about this...

yes, the terms described above are accurate...

THE POINT of describing the above to Ichigo was so that he'd understand the scale of the things he was facing...

The current Arrancar are vastrodes that the Hou Gyouku has been already used on... hence why we are having the debate on how strong Rukia is and are wondering how she could take one on...

in closing... human-sized Arrancar= vastrode altered by Hou Gyouku...

Actually, i pretty much agree with him that arrancar and menos are two seperate things. Even if a hybrid menos can be called arrancar, it's still speculation that all 20 are vastoorodes. Some of them could still be normal hollows turned hybrid.

As for Deroy, it's impossible that he's a vastoorode. A vastoorode is stronger than any regular captain. And then we are only talking about the unaltered version. The hybrid version may be even more powerful than Yamamoto. No vastoorodes would ever get themselves humiliated like Deroy, not by someone that's VC level at best.
Also, rukia wouldn't be stupid enough to actually go challenge a vastoorode. The spiritual pressure alone coming from such a creature should be strong enough to make even Ichigo sweat nervously.

[Samiizz]

about the spiritual pressure.. they can reduce it if they want.. and when they are fighting.. they keep the spiritual pressure inside.. as much as they can so that their attacks become stronger..
there is no good in leaking it..

[jonat3]

about the spiritual pressure.. they can reduce it if they want.. and when they are fighting.. they keep the spiritual pressure inside.. as much as they can so that their attacks become stronger..
there is no good in leaking it..

From all the fights we've seen, the spiritual pressure upped the more intense the fights got.
Also, a hollow has no reason to keep their spiritual pressure in check.

[wangster610]

Hi

Has anyone noticed that Dee Roy (i think that's his name, the guy who decided to bring the other Arrankas to the human world) looks a lot like Hitsugya?

The resemblance is in the eyes and hair. and why would Hitsugya even be around if not some huge drama was going to happen? remember family members don't usually see each other in soul society.

Think about it.

and sorry for bad name spelling.

[jonat3]

^^^You mean GrimmJoww, right?

Yeah, people said his character design resembles Hitsugaya.

[Hits]

Hi

Has anyone noticed that Dee Roy (i think that's his name, the guy who decided to bring the other Arrankas to the human world) looks a lot like Hitsugya?

The resemblance is in the eyes and hair. and why would Hitsugya even be around if not some huge drama was going to happen? remember family members don't usually see each other in soul society.

Think about it.

and sorry for bad name spelling.very intersting.....

[Constantine]

[scene fades in]

Hitsugaya, they never told you about your brother did they?

They told me you killed him! -Hitsugaya, crawls closer to the edge of the roof-

No! I... AM YOUR BROTHER! -grimjaw rips off mask-

NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! -Hitsugaya throws hismelf off roof-

[Anil]

[scene fades in]

Hitsugaya, they never told you about your brother did they?

They told me you killed him! -Hitsugaya, crawls closer to the edge of the roof-

No! I... AM YOUR BROTHER! -grimjaw rips off mask-

NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! -Hitsugaya throws hismelf off roof-


lol...

hilarious...

About Shirayuki's first dance...White Moon... it seems to have a limited area of influence... namely that circle on the ground... had Deiroy gone sideways instead of up he might not have gotten hit...

... But I must admit, it looks like Rukia tricked him into jumping from her first attack... not bad....

So I guess its a bit like I said before, it's ovepowered... but certainly not invulnerable....

[Unrefined-Nemesis]

This Chapter Is Interesting....I Didn't Know Rukia Got So Powerful In Such A Short Time...

[shinigami.gurl]

Wow! It's nice that Rukia's got her power back. She lost it too early for us to get a chance to see her full potential... Though it was kinda disappointing that she got knocked down abit too easily in the beginning of the story. But I guess it had to happen, else Ichigo wldnt have the chance to become a shinigami in the first place.

Anyway... I, too, didn't expect Rukia to get so powerful in a such amt of time... But time passes by much slower in SS rite? Maybe she had enough time to get back on track and all...? *shrugs* Oh well, nonetheless, a nice shikai it is...

[CrimsonKaze]

But I really wonder about the power of the "Vastoorode" if Dee Roy really is a full one. Maybe they need to do something to activate their power like Shinigami have the Shikai, and Rukia just got him befor he could get ready. Well who knows hope we learn more about it soon.

And yes its really a nice Shikei suits Rukia well...

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

lol...

hilarious...

About Shirayuki's first dance...White Moon... it seems to have a limited area of influence... namely that circle on the ground... had Deiroy gone sideways instead of up he might not have gotten hit...

... But I must admit, it looks like Rukia tricked him into jumping from her first attack... not bad....

So I guess its a bit like I said before, it's ovepowered... but certainly not invulnerable....
I hope that it only works in that circle.... otherwise, it's too strong for someone that SHOULDN'T be that strong (she's not SUPPOSED to be anything special... other than her Kudo being strong, for her level).

I mean honestly, she shouldn't really be able to stand up to these guys... 20 of them are supposed to be enough to DESTROY Soul Society!

[Anil]

Well she does say "circle of influence" in the scanalation... and it is a circle on the ground... so I just sort of connected the dots...

Although that was just the first dance...? So it's still overpowered... maybe it's main weakness is in the way it's wielded... perhaps it can't attack in more than one direction very quickly, as opposed to say, Hyourinmaru, which can change it's direction in midflight....

Basically I'm thinking it requires form... so the first dance was a circle,White Moon, and effects every thing inside the circle of her choosing... my guess is that that circle can't move, and she likely has to switch forms to attack in a different direction... I could see that as time consuming and a possible weakness...

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

I sure hope so (her being so powerful would just make no sense). Does anyone have a direct download link to somewhere other than bleachportal for this chapter? Bleachportal isn't letting me get it...

[red_dragone]

Honestly, what does kubo have to make Rukia do before you guys will stop trying to find loopholes to label her weak again.

You called her weak, she disproved that. You said she was useless without shikai, she produces an awesome shikai. Now you guys say shikai is not enough...I imagine by the time she gets bankai you will say that's too weak as well.

Rukia has shown enough strength and intelligence to take on an arrancar, why is that not enough?

[SumpfFuchs]

Honestly, what does kubo have to make Rukia do before you guys will stop trying to find loopholes to label her weak again.

You called her weak, she disproved that. You said she was useless without shikai, she produces an awesome shikai. Now you guys say shikai is not enough...I imagine by the time she gets bankai you will say that's too weak as well.

Rukia has shown enough strength and intelligence to take on an arrancar, why is that not enough?


Exactly, i think it makes perfect sense for her to be powerfull, before we knew that she was powerfull i was thinking why does she know all this if she is weak, she talks like a powerfull shinigami, now there is a reason as to why she knows so much, its because she is a powerfull shinigami.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

Her being a POWERFUL shinigami? Ummm... did no one else see how the menos almost made her shit herself (and her saying that she had "only seen them in text books")? Don't you think that most POWERFUL shinigami should have seen those?

And the issue isn't that she ISN'T powerful, it's that she ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE powerful.

[Anil]

Honestly, what does kubo have to make Rukia do before you guys will stop trying to find loopholes to label her weak again.

You called her weak, she disproved that. You said she was useless without shikai, she produces an awesome shikai. Now you guys say shikai is not enough...I imagine by the time she gets bankai you will say that's too weak as well.

Rukia has shown enough strength and intelligence to take on an arrancar, why is that not enough?



I don't think she's weak... She's definitely proven how capable she is...

Most of us are just confused as to why she isn't a higher ranked shinigami... If she's so ridiculously powerful there must be some sort of limit... Other wise she'd be a captian like Hitsugaya...
Basically we know she isn't weak, we're just confused as to exactly HOW strong she is...

wouldn't it be funny if she turned out to be Soul Socitey's strongest VC...? well after Renji, cause he has his bankai now...

[jodec123]

Originally Posted by Anil
wouldn't it be funny if she turned out to be Soul Socitey's strongest VC...? well after Renji, cause he has his bankai now...

the thing is, Rukia is in the 13th division and as the BP Gotei 13 guide says, 13th division hasn't replaced their vc since Kaien died...so since those 2 who are constanly trailing Ukitake (13th division captain) are sharing the 3rd seat position, i suppose Rukia is somewhere close to there...

[captain_soifon]

i cant download it =[ it says sorry 421 200 users maximum =[

[Polygon]

Honestly, what does kubo have to make Rukia do before you guys will stop trying to find loopholes to label her weak again.

You called her weak, she disproved that. You said she was useless without shikai, she produces an awesome shikai. Now you guys say shikai is not enough...I imagine by the time she gets bankai you will say that's too weak as well.

Rukia has shown enough strength and intelligence to take on an arrancar, why is that not enough?

EXactly. It is her nature to worry to oblivion about everyone. She always blames herself. Some people are saying she isn't supposed to be powerful, yet from the beginig sh has been fighting hollows when she was supposed to have NO reitsu. She did blue fire wall in a gigai when she had the hongoku in her. If we saw yachiru without the badge and ken then we would have assumed her to be weak as well.

[ocasas]

i cant download it =[ it says sorry 421 200 users maximum =[

Well... you can get it here

[Ju-Ni]'s homepage (http://www.ju-ni.net/scanlations/)

or here

[Ju-Ni]'s Savefile project (http://savefile.com/projects/971235)


And please, use it as least as possible as our bandwith is limited...

The second link is our Savefile project page, but is not up to date.... i'm working on it...

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I will use this opportunity to say "Hi" to everyone

[SumpfFuchs]

Her being a POWERFUL shinigami? Ummm... did no one else see how the menos almost made her shit herself (and her saying that she had "only seen them in text books")? Don't you think that most POWERFUL shinigami should have seen those?

And the issue isn't that she ISN'T powerful, it's that she ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE powerful.



i never said that she was the most powerfull shinigami, so stop putting words in my mouth, do you think that every day a menos grande pops up, lets think here.. **** no, she was in-experenced, hence being chances are they werent sending her out after menos grande's, even if they could they would more likely send the division of royal affairs or whatever she said it was, and she didnt almost shit herself, but am not surprised at her reaction being that she had never seen one before, and the first one that she does see if going after a guy that she most likely has feelings for and is concerned about and she does not think that he has a chance against it while she is tied down by uraharas binding spell... and were did you get the idea that she isnt supposed to be powerfull, if you just look there have been signs since episode 1 that she isnt weak...

[CrimsonKaze]

the thing is, Rukia is in the 13th division and as the BP Gotei 13 guide says, 13th division hasn't replaced their vc since Kaien died...so since those 2 who are constanly trailing Ukitake (13th division captain) are sharing the 3rd seat position, i suppose Rukia is somewhere close to there...


The BP Gotei 13 guide can only know what we all know and sum that up, because it was never said in the Manga that Rukia is the VC of the 13th division even BP can't know that yet.

I bet she is the 13th division's VC why would they stay so long without one, and who else would be able to be one, so she has to be it, specialy after showing that incredible Shikai.


About that she almost shit herself seeing a Menos (forgot who said that) that could be because there was no one she saw able to beat it, so she feared Ichigo might die or even worse stuff.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

i never said that she was the most powerfull shinigami, so stop putting words in my mouth, do you think that every day a menos grande pops up, lets think here.. **** no, she was in-experenced, hence being chances are they werent sending her out after menos grande's, even if they could they would more likely send the division of royal affairs or whatever she said it was, and she didnt almost shit herself, but am not surprised at her reaction being that she had never seen one before, and the first one that she does see if going after a guy that she most likely has feelings for and is concerned about and she does not think that he has a chance against it while she is tied down by uraharas binding spell... and were did you get the idea that she isnt supposed to be powerfull, if you just look there have been signs since episode 1 that she isnt weak...
I didn't say that you said that she was the most powerful shinigami. I think what is confusing you is my sentence: "Don't you think that most POWERFUL shinigami should have seen those?" The "most" there serves the function of putting something in a group. So what I said meant, "Don't you think that <i>the majority of</i> POWERFUL shinigami should have seen those?". Sorry for the confusion.

[Sgt.Reaper]

Yay for powered up rukia

Just dont see how and when she got THIS powerful, i mean that was some royal ass she kicked.

[jonat3]

Her speech suggests that she was always this powerful. There's an alternative translation over at LJ, and that one's even clearer on some parts.

[Sgt.Reaper]

I know it is implied but that was an ALLANKAR, even if it underrestimated her it was defeated easily.
You guys know she havent seen a menos before and she said it wasent any shinigami could handel singelhandedly.

So either she has trained or just mastered it or there is the possibilety that the allankar didnt die. (but i find the last one quite hard to belive.)

[Quincy_Pride]

What about Inoue and Chad? What are they going to do. They aren't strong enough against the new enemy. How are they going to be protected all the time.

Ishida, once he get's his powers back will be the only other who is powerful enough to perhaps do some sort of damage. But the fact remains, whos side will he be on when he returns.

I still think Ichigo is stupid to think just because Ishida has no spirit energy that they won't go after him. Which leads me as always to believe that Aizen now controls Ishida. From the space cutter to his father showing up, to making him swear not to help the Shinigami's.

[_Ink]

she was silent and cheerleading all this time and alluva sudden:
SHE PWNED A ALLANKAR WITH SHIKAI IS THAT BLOODY F*CKIN POSSIBLE THAT MAKES HER MORE SUPERPOWEREFUL THAN A CAPTAIN RIGHT....WTF????
IS LIKE SHE COMES OUT OF THE SCENE AND THEN SAYS SOMETHING COOL AND EVEN THAT DEE ROY FELLOW JUST LOST HIS COLL AND FREAK OUT AND SHE PWNED HIM WITH A SLOW-MO SCENE....? WHAT IS THIS????

BLOODY HELL.....

i never said that she was the most powerfull shinigami, so stop putting words in my mouth, do you think that every day a menos grande pops up, lets think here.. **** no, she was in-experenced, hence being chances are they werent sending her out after menos grande's, even if they could they would more likely send the division of royal affairs or whatever she said it was, and she didnt almost shit herself, but am not surprised at her reaction being that she had never seen one before, and the first one that she does see if going after a guy that she most likely has feelings for and is concerned about and she does not think that he has a chance against it while she is tied down by uraharas binding spell... and were did you get the idea that she isnt supposed to be powerfull, if you just look there have been signs since episode 1 that she isnt weak...

RIGHT NOT WEAK.....
said the people who support her fervously....
think of this, all this time if she was inexperienced, she had no chance to be sent out to fight menos grande which arenothing but big shit for nothings with oversized bodysizes, any captain can swing one down without breaking a sweat....and she was out there cleaning out low grade hollows all this time when she actually got this much power????

she was sent out to fight hollows with the immense power to just f*ck up an arrankaru in seconds straight PWNED, and this power they in SS send her to fight low class hollows instead of the menos that she has never seen before.,,?
what gives? is like witnessing a fly going into the aeroplane and breaking up the engine with a muscle twitch then flies out safely unhurt!
and all this time everybody knew that she was inexperienced, she was supposed to be that strong, all this time she was being "protected" by ichigo this is what she is, i betcha the pride of our hero must have crumbled to bits as he looks in awe....

[Germainee]

totally agree with devildude. cool. i've read it and its exciting to see rukia fight for the second time and her Shi kai is cool. her icicles are so cool~

[Zone]

Well I dont post often but rukia's shikai was a long time coming and pretty much from the first episode, I ve wanted to see her fight. For those who think shes weak because she lost to the hollow in the first episode..she was quite overwhelmed by spiritual power but also firsts, just as ichigo hadnt seen a shinigami before she hadnt seen a human with his power not to mention ichigo didnt exactly give her time to have a good clean fight with the hollow...you guys seem to think a decent shinigami cant be beaten in this way but I would like to remind you that isshin was no much for it either. In the end she did pwn a vastrode (i hope i have that right) with her shikai, that has to count for something, not to mention renji said rukia was there for her speed so im failry sure she cant be dismal in battle, the people who conjuctured she wasnt even seated...as far as I know there are 9 or more seats and I havent seen anyone besides VC or 3rd seat use a shikai so im assuming shes up there in power..lets not forget that chad even tho he was in fighting form wouldve been no match ( i know he was injured but still)..... and for those who think rukia is madly powerful well I dont think thats the end of this opponent, her shikai was awesome and it might even have more then one move but I believe the hollow is going to escape from this.

btw does anyone know what type of shinigami rukia is she seems somewhere between swordie and demon arts.

: )

[_Ink]

Well I dont post often but rukia's shikai was a long time coming and pretty much from the first episode, I ve wanted to see her fight. For those who think shes weak because she lost to the hollow in the first episode..she was quite overwhelmed by spiritual power but also firsts, just as ichigo hadnt seen a shinigami before she hadnt seen a human with his power not to mention ichigo didnt exactly give her time to have a good clean fight with the hollow...you guys seem to think a decent shinigami cant be beaten in this way but I would like to remind you that isshin was no much for it either. In the end she did pwn a vastrode (i hope i have that right) with her shikai, that has to count for something, not to mention renji said rukia was there for her speed so im failry sure she cant be dismal in battle, the people who conjuctured she wasnt even seated...as far as I know there are 9 or more seats and I havent seen anyone besides VC or 3rd seat use a shikai so im assuming shes up there in power..lets not forget that chad even tho he was in fighting form wouldve been no match ( i know he was injured but still)..... and for those who think rukia is madly powerful well I dont think thats the end of this opponent, her shikai was awesome and it might even have more then one move but I believe the hollow is going to escape from this.

btw does anyone know what type of shinigami rukia is she seems somewhere between swordie and demon arts.

: )

well actually i was against it, i wrote in my post as a disagreement to how strong she actually is....
there was a post earlier that said she is inexperienced, she has never seen a menos grande and she can PWned a allankar,.....
well, i have hardly anything to say. excedpt to say that it is ridiculous...
anyway....she appears to be the replacement of kaien indirectly, coz they never replaced him in VC seat so it appears compared to the other two idiots in 13th division, she seems the most logical one to choose, this i have to say. the reason obviously being one of the early members, (like renji, hinamori and kira, they are all VCs, it is logical to assume she isn't any weaker bcoz her brother is a Capt, which would mean, one way or the other she is surrounded by powerful people and logic would explain she could not be weak to join the ranks of these people around her.

but it still does not give her the right to be so strong or otherwise to execute jobs like figting stupid low grade hollows she does in episode 1 -something....
the reason: if she is really so good and knows shikai and stuff, no reason for her to just run around killing stupid low grade hollows, coz i think that should be a low grade job for other shinigamis, she should be still in SS, following 13th division or training or just following her brother around like a puppy...

of course the other theory can explain this, she was protected by her brother in a two for one method.
give her small fry to play with, keep her happy and keep her interested
the small fry can't hurt her shit, she should be plenty safe and i can protect my wife's sister without doing too much work and breaking my "cool"...

but anyway, there is a point that she is so strong, she appears to be training all along because of her posotion under her brother, she has to keep up with the family name in order to play hard. so i guess it is not surprising to see her fling a little even when faced with allankar. but i still don't like the way she just came out and PWNED one, would have been better if it was a slow fight!

[Zone]

Umm i wasnt replying to you if I had been I wouldve quoted it but ya know just the relevant parts because there was no reason to quote my whole thing. I really dont think what she was fighting before was all the pertinent she simply never had an oppertunity to show shikai before..

Similarly I dont think beating this guy is all that impressive and Im not sure she has beaten him, it looked like it was cracking towards the end. I mean if you get hit by kira's you double in weight it doesnt matter how powerful you are..rukia didnt have to be powerful at VC or Captain level to get this guy in her shikai.. in short all im trying to say is she is not weak shes at least equivalent to a seated shinigami but perhaps being less rash before we find out how powerful.

btw. it is a good point to consider how isshin was beaten by that hollow in episode one.

[didia]

Can you guys give me a link or something to sownload... cause, i have been tryong to get form bleach portal and it is not working.

[ChansteR]

the server may be busy or the it may be your browser.

Anyways, she owned that guy like that which is kind of amazing, that guy couldve been one of the weaker guys, the guy may not even be dead, just hurt or could be dead because like Zone said, all we saw was like peices of ice falling down....

[ffgirl_07]

the manga was pretty good.. and rukia is fighting again... though i feel sad for sado...
but i don't think that guy died from rukia's attack.

[CrimsonKaze]

if just 202 would come out, maybe it will explain a bit more.

but to sum this up there are a few things that been said yet:

1) that guy was way too weak (dont think so)
2) that guy was suprised and couldn't "awake" his power
3) that guy isn't dead yet (more like it)
4) Rukia trained alot in the short time to become that strong (dont think so, but well Ishigo becomes strong fast too, maybe she did some hard training like him befor he went to SS to get Shinigami Power again and while he was training for Bankai. Also not to forget Rukia always was really talented, more than Renji)
5) Rukia was always this strong but had no chance to show it (sounds right)
6) Rukia just is a VC (I bet on that)
7) Rukia is a high skilled seated member
8) Rukia's Shikai is just overpowered

Did i forget any? I think all but 1 are quiet possible, well I can't really decide yet. Please bring out 202 :sad:

[meat CLEAVER]

The battle ain't over that quick, characters aren't introduced and destroyed that fast...

[masakenji]

i dont know what the fuss about. it didnt show that he died.

[captain_soifon]

omg!! they better not make rukia rigged like ichigo

[Anil]

Well... we certainly have no idea if he's dead yet, but the way they ended the chapter strikes me as... odd.

Frankly, speculation is just that... speculation. We really don't know half of what is going on, but we try to figure it out anyway... It's part of being human I suppose...

Even if he isn't dead, Rukia's shikai is still pretty ridiculous, though it suits her rather well... flash-freezing someone is a nice ability...

In short... do I know what the hell is going on in this chapter...? No... Do I think I know what's going on...? Not really... Does it bother me that I don't...? Of course, but that's life, and I trust everything will be sufficiently explained later...

[General Cox]

hmm, all i can say is i wonder what would have happend if he had jumped outside of the circle rather than straight up into the air.

I think 202 should reveal a lot more about her powers, personally i think she is a vice captain and i think she is powerful. She was probably talking about the menos in that way because she thought ichigo wouldnt be able to handle it at that stage (he had only been a shinigami for a month or two). Yeah i think she trained a bit while back in SS, but i dont think the guy is dead, dunno how 202 is gonna go though :/

[Anil]

... I just noticed after rereading....

Was Deiroy about to do something with his right eye...? It appeared to have... gone all (for lack of a better term) shiny before he got hit with Rukia's White Moon...

Maybe that's the reason the ice is cracking... If so... this could get interesting...

Also... is it a big deal that her zanpakuto turned white...? Deiroy seemed shaken up by that but I have no idea what to make of it...

[_Ink]

appears to be so....
i reconsider my view, it appears that he is not dead, not so fast anyway.
what would be though is that he is hurt...
as for rukia's shikai, it seemed that she is over powered, the reason is that so far, no one in the manga or anime has a shikai more big ass that hers, ranged and huge attack area. i mean, ichigo's was just a shot of power and byakuya's some flying petal blades. but hers is like bomb of ice....wicked
oh well, lets us wait until 202 and see what shes got///

[red_dragone]

Her icicle shattering can't be too bad since she seems completely undisturbed for it's destruction as she walks away...maybe it releases the opponent, but he can't move well anymore or something

[Sir_unforgiven]

i think it froze him solid and he shatterd into a million itty bitty pieces :), seems the obvious choice

[SumpfFuchs]

appears to be so....
i reconsider my view, it appears that he is not dead, not so fast anyway.
what would be though is that he is hurt...
as for rukia's shikai, it seemed that she is over powered, the reason is that so far, no one in the manga or anime has a shikai more big ass that hers, ranged and huge attack area. i mean, ichigo's was just a shot of power and byakuya's some flying petal blades. but hers is like bomb of ice....wicked
oh well, lets us wait until 202 and see what shes got///

what about hitsugayas, his is a huge ice dragon that can freeze the air around it?

[Quincy_Pride]

There is no doubt that Hitsugaya has one of the strongest Ice swords in SS.

I wonder how many there are. It seems the element ones are the strongest. IE Yama-Jii's fire sword. I wonder what the others are.

[summerslam]

well. shinigamis can be strong by 2 reasons. one, their spirit power. two, their soul slayer's skill. Even if you have a weak and lousy shinigami but he has aizen's soul slayer's skill, he still own.. COMPLETE HYPNOTISE

[masakenji]

you only think she is over-powered cause she made it look and sound good. damage wise could be nothing.

if i remember correctly, shes was 5th seated or wasnt seated at all.

[meNObaka]

There is no doubt that Hitsugaya has one of the strongest Ice swords in SS.

I wonder how many there are. It seems the element ones are the strongest. IE Yama-Jii's fire sword. I wonder what the others are.
Actually, I really doubt that. One of the most powerful shikai out there is Aizen's hypnosis one, which is definitely not an elemental. It was mentioned that the shinigami believed Aizen's was a water-type that made illusionary mists, but in reality is wasn't. And then there is the kidou zanpakuto used by that one shinigami, the one who loves beautiful things and has the crazy eyebrows. Again, not an elemental zanpakuto, but it has the ability to suck up other people's reiatsu. Seems pretty darn powerful to me.

[CrimsonKaze]

well. shinigamis can be strong by 2 reasons. one, their spirit power. two, their soul slayer's skill. Even if you have a weak and lousy shinigami but he has aizen's soul slayer's skill, he still own.. COMPLETE HYPNOTISE

I don't think so because mastering a Soul Slayer's power also needs skill, so a weak Shinigami wouldn't be able to be strong no matter what bad as power is hidden in the Soul Slayer. A Soul Slayer can only be as strong as the Shinigami useing it and a Shinigami gets stronger by mastering the power of his/her Soul Slayer (see Ichigo for example).

[Netdoc01]

Has everyone forgotten the #1 rule of anime like Bleach?

Characters don't die/lose until they've shown off their flashiest moves.

In Bleach, that means taking out the ol' Zanpakuto. Dee Roy hasn't even unsheathed his. There's no way he's gone.

And another thing. Earlier it was mentioned how Chad and Orihime are gonna be toast because they haven't powered up like Ishida will. Well, it's a complete guess but I'm betting Chad'll end up leveling up his arm to a full-body dealie and Orihime will just end up having to figure out how to fight (probably to save Tatsuki). After all, Chad hasn't even won any decent fights yet. He can't be out of the running already.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

It's be a shame to have Chad stay weak... I do hope he gets a full powerup...

Although he should NOT be stronger than the captains.

[Polygon]

It's be a shame to have Chad stay weak... I do hope he gets a full powerup...

Although he should NOT be stronger than the captains.
His strongest blast is enoughf to take ut a captian, 8th said so himself. It just takes up too much reitsu. and he hasn't enoughf skill oe stamina.

[Sandal Hat]

I think Chad's problem was that he was too slow, he seemed to be able to throw alot of those punches but none of them found there mark.

[scotto]

Did anyone else notice that tatsuki can see spirits and so can asano? So maybe theyre gonna get some kickass ability like orihime and sado.

[didia]

i still can't download this chapter... man, it sucks....

[Sir_unforgiven]

does anyone actually think that loser dee roy is still alive? i mean cmon

rukia - "yea so he's breaking outtta the ice i better just calmy walk away so i can look cool"
*deeroy breaks out and kill rukia*
i mean cmon people use your heads, anyone who thinks dee roy is still alive i think is just all mad that hitsugoya is gonna get killed by the guy he's fighting and then rukia can official by crowned the new champ of ice soul slayers

[sparrowhawk]

maybe her power isn't only ice but something deroy is allergic to, or maybe deroy has a phobia for ice or the white zapakuto's or some crazy stuff like that

does anyone actually think that loser dee roy is still alive? i mean cmon

rukia - "yea so he's breaking outtta the ice i better just calmy walk away so i can look cool"
*deeroy breaks out and kill rukia*
i mean cmon people use your heads, anyone who thinks dee roy is still alive i think is just all mad that hitsugoya is gonna get killed by the guy he's fighting and then rukia can official by crowned the new champ of ice soul slayers

[Cypherfury]

hitsugaya would pwn rukia with his ice powers...but dang...rukia pwned that guy

[Hits]

I don't get it, why is everything thinking that Rukia is owning or even killing that Arrancar? If you haven't realised, it's not bleach's style for someone to kill someone that fast. THe arranacer is just surprised that Rukia has that much impressive powers. But aside from that, arrancars are suppose to be captain level or even higher. I hardly doube that she is capt lvl. Oh and I will remind ya'll that the arrancar isn't dead.....

[Sir_unforgiven]

yea they never do that...just like when grandfisher showed up and got sliced in half in like 5 secs, i would say in bleach human or shinigami don't die that fast, hollow are a dime a dozen though, and i don't think arrankaru are much different i mean aizen can always just make more, i'm pretty sure that one is dead. even though i don't think normally rukia can beat an arrankaru and she just got lucky that dee roy underestimated her

[Anil]

yea they never do that...just like when grandfisher showed up and got sliced in half in like 5 secs, i would say in bleach human or shinigami don't die that fast, hollow are a dime a dozen though, and i don't think arrankaru are much different i mean aizen can always just make more, i'm pretty sure that one is dead. even though i don't think normally rukia can beat an arrankaru and she just got lucky that dee roy underestimated her


I have to say that you have a legitimate point there....

We won't really know till the next chapter is released... so in the meanwhile I'm allowing myself to bask in the suspense...

[masakenji]

seriously, read the sentence on the last page of chapter 201. its in the bottom right.

"as rukia's icicles crack, what would happen next"

those pieces behind behind rukia aint flesh but ice. she didnt kill him to pieces.

[Sir_unforgiven]

how can you tell? its all frozen anyway he would shatter to pieces just like that, but anyway i'm just gonna wait till the next chapter comes out and we'll see who is right. by the way would you prefer "as rukia's frozen corpse of dee roy cracks, what would happen next" ? just curious

[Darkon]

that would be sorta anti-climactic for rukias' first fight with her shikai >.>.