Well its about Rukia and Ichigo, kinda a theory

[mattim0s]

Ok ive been thinking, remeber how rukia stabbed ichigo and transfered her powers so that he could save his family from that hollow? well heres the main theory first then ill say the rest later.

Do you think that maybe ichigo had the Hollow/shinigami transfering device (the one that aizen took out of rukia, made by uhara) inside of himself and then it transfered over to rukia when her zampakto(sp?) pirced him?

i say this becuase i was thinking back to the first episode when ichigo didnt have shinigami powers but he had a liniage of shinigami's, he is a true blood as his father states in chpt. 195ish. so why couldnt he use those powers then? if so than this transformer (ill just call it that cause i donno what the name was) might have been in ichigo first, because it doesnt seem that uhara ever had the transformer and contact with rukia at the same time. If youll notice somwhere in the 190+ section it says that yorichi was banished because she helped uhara escape right after he had made the transformer thing, so when did uhara have time to put it in rukia? plus uhara knows ichigo's father is a shinigami, and had access to ichigo when he was younger, and i dont know why (maybe its just in my head) but there was somthing about the huge spear being the only thing that could breakopen the container and get to the hollow/shinigami trnasformer...and ichigo stoped it with his zanpakto...so maybe if the zanpakto is strong enough then it has the potential to open and transfer the transformer thing.

stay with me hahaha... i only have 1 more thing to conclude

so my conclusion is that the transformer, when inside a shinigami, uses all the spirit energy of the carrier, making them have little to no spirit power so as to not be located by any of those searching for it.

ANYWAY! so now that its out of rukia i see no problem with rukia regaining her deathgod powers, after all since ichigo already had a death god's blood in him, she couldnt have transfered her powers over to him, she might have just taken the transformer that hindered his spirit energy, so that he could access it.

umm i hope you followed all that...so if you have the specific chapters or rebuttles i would love to hear it. sorry about being so scatterbrained about it too but its been on my mind for a while and i see all these people complainin about rukia and whatnot, when it kinda makes sense to me. so yeah,

also im new to this forum so nice ta meecha all. :rolleye09 :winking56

[Sandal Hat]

When Urahara placed Rukia into her gigai is when the Hougyoku was put inside her. Also, Ichigo's death god powers wouldn't have shown while in his human body.

Edit: I'll post more later, unless someone else states what I want to say

[mattim0s]

you very well could be right. im just saying that it makes sence to me. though i dont really understand what your saying, when she was useing the gagai (the human physical body for shinigamis?) the hougyoku was place inside of her? hrmm i dont remember that but it doesnt mean it didnt happen. please post more that would be great.

[ultimate]

like sandal hat said, when urahara gave rukia a gigai, that was when the hougyoku was placed inside of her... the hougyoku makes the user have almost no spiritual power or suppresses their spirit power or something like that [i forgot =P] so it cannot be detected... so ichigo cannot have the hougyoku in him since rukia didnt have it until she was in the gigai

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

like sandal hat said, when urahara gave rukia a gigai, that was when the hougyoku was placed inside of her... the hougyoku makes the user have almost no spiritual power or suppresses their spirit power or something like that [i forgot =P] so it cannot be detected... so ichigo cannot have the hougyoku in him since rukia didnt have it until she was in the gigai
Errr.... it wasn't the hougyoku that caused the spiritual pressure to decrease... it was the special gigai that Urahara created.

[ultimate]

oh yeh forgot =P the gigai urahara created caused spiritual power to decrease, the hougyoku was placed inside the gigai so the hougyoku could not be found... yeh i wasnt 100% on that but good that somebody corrected me lol, i hope i am still right on wat i just said...

[newsaidin]

wasnt this theory shown here awhile back? and disproved as quickly?

[jonat3]

I also thought that Urahara placed the hougyoku together with the gigai. That's until i reread Aizen's explanation. His exact words were:"By the time i discovered this,you had already gone missing in the real world."

This sentence highly suggests that he discovered that the hougyoku was inside rukia, WHILE she was missing and NOT BECAUSE. That she was missing only let him know that Urahara must be involved. This means the hougyoku was already inside her the moment she met Ichigo.

[Samiizz]

it was said in the manga that Urahara placed the hougyoku in Rukia WHILE he was still in SS.. not after..
that is why Aizen said "by the time I discovered this, u had already gone missing in the real world"
so she had the hougyoku in her before she went to the real world and meet Ichigo

[jonat3]

it was said in the manga that Urahara placed the hougyoku in Rukia WHILE he was still in SS.. not after..
that is why Aizen said "by the time I discovered this, u had already gone missing in the real world"
so she had the hougyoku in her before she went to the real world and meet Ichigo

Yes, those are my thoughts as well. It's possible the hougyoku somehow affected Ichigo when rukia transferred her powers. The shattered shaft then completed the process in hybridizing Ichigo. That's my current theory.

[ultimate]

thats a pretty good theory jonat... but i also wonder how the vaizards who were shinigamis before turned into hybrids, like wat kinda method did they use cos it might create another theory of how ichigo became hybrid... btw didnt urahara give rukia a special gigai when she was on earth, after she met ichigo? and then the hougyoku was placed inside of her when she had the special gigai thus making her spiritual power decrease along with the hougyoku so no one would be able to find it

[Sandal Hat]

thats a pretty good theory jonat... but i also wonder how the vaizards who were shinigamis before turned into hybrids, like wat kinda method did they use cos it might create another theory of how ichigo became hybrid... btw didnt urahara give rukia a special gigai when she was on earth, after she met ichigo? and then the hougyoku was placed inside of her when she had the special gigai thus making her spiritual power decrease along with the hougyoku so no one would be able to find it
The vaizards who were shinigami before turning into hybrids used forbiden(sp?) spells

and this answers your other question

oh yeh forgot =P the gigai urahara created caused spiritual power to decrease, the hougyoku was placed inside the gigai so the hougyoku could not be found... yeh i wasnt 100% on that but good that somebody corrected me lol, i hope i am still right on wat i just said...

[shinigami.gurl]

OOh... I'd just remembered the part when Aizen was explaining to Rukia abt the whole thing... And then she had this flashback on Urahara offering her a gigai... So, no doubt the hougyoku was put inside her when she accepted his gigai...

[ultimate]

The vaizards who were shinigami before turning into hybrids used forbiden(sp?) spells i was trying to ask wat kinda forbidden spells the vaizards used and wat did it involve and stuff

[jonat3]

OOh... I'd just remembered the part when Aizen was explaining to Rukia abt the whole thing... And then she had this flashback on Urahara offering her a gigai... So, no doubt the hougyoku was put inside her when she accepted his gigai...

That was just Urahara offering the gigai. It still doesn't provide any definite proof on when exactly Urahara placed the hougyoku.

[Sandal Hat]

Umm, he couldn't have done it any other time. I think Rukia would have noticed any other time if something got shoved down her throat

[jonat3]

Umm, he couldn't have done it any other time. I think Rukia would have noticed any other time if something got shoved down her throat

Granted, placing the hougyoku in her while giving the gigai would be a perfect opportunity, but we don't know wether other opportunities weren't there before. For all i know, he has enough skills to create those opportunities himself.

[Samiizz]

well.. from what Aizen was saying.. Urahara couldn't distroy his own creation so he placed it somewhere safe.. which means that while he was in SS he placed it somewhere safe.. since he cant go back to SS at all.. and when Rukia needed a gegai.. he offered her the special one to make her dissappear from SS scanners.

the main point is.. Aizen himself implied that Urahara placed the hougyoku in Rukia while he was in SS..

[#KyRa#]

Hi! first of all, i'm new here too! i think your point makes sence! i actually don't know, but i think it made sence. And what you said about rukia and her powers, i totaly agree! She should get them back! Ichigo had his powers all the time, but he kind of didn't know :winking56

Hehe.. well, nice too meet you! and hope you find the real answer! :face82:

[sith29]

well.. from what Aizen was saying.. Urahara couldn't distroy his own creation so he placed it somewhere safe.. which means that while he was in SS he placed it somewhere safe.. since he cant go back to SS at all.. and when Rukia needed a gegai.. he offered her the special one to make her dissappear from SS scanners.

the main point is.. Aizen himself implied that Urahara placed the hougyoku in Rukia while he was in SS..

And That should end the discusion. Aizen said that when he figured out that hougyoku is in Rukia she went missing in the living world. That means urahara put hougyoku in Rukia when she was in SS. . If Urahara would placed hougyoku in the gigai Aizen would never said that. Thats pretty obvious I think.

[Samiizz]

for the first time we are seeing eye to eye :p

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

I'm pretty sure that Urahara (or someone) states that he put the hougyoku in Rukia when he gave her the gigai...

[Samiizz]

read the manga where aizen explained all the stuff about hougyoku.. and you will understand what we are saying bro