Revamping The Gotei 13 Project

[db]

Here is the bad news. We are probably going to wipe the divisions + VEQ clean.

This is the easiest and fastest way to weed out the inactive divisions.

Up for debate is:
Keep VEQ?
Keep The Academy?

I dont see any problems with wiping the divisions. We will open for captain spots again; captains that were active before will probably be picked again and of course you can pick up your old members easily if the academy doesnt exist anymore.

There is also a chance of vbux being wiped clean.

This is your chance to express your opinions.

I'm probably going to use version 2 of gotei 13 as its base:
13 divisions and its Limited to 10 members.

But best of all, I want to avoid another reset if possible in the future. This is literally the Captain's job to keep the divisions active and the new central 46 making sure the Captains themselves are active and the admins/smods making sure the central 46 arent slacking off >_>

[Shinomori]

Ok.

If I may be so bold as to go first/second/third/whenever this is posted...

The problem here isn't with the "elite divisions stealing members", which is what many would lead you to believe.

The problem is that the gotei people don't care enough.

Why don't you make them care more? I'm talking to you, captains. YES, YOU. And vice-captains, too. If you're not going to be responsible, give the damn job to someone who will.

What I've suggested goes kind of in the best interests of everyone, as far as I see.

Simple. Limit the "VEQ", "VQE", or whatever you called it to ten members apiece. That's a downsizing of a decent amount. All those go to the gotei.

In order to get another member, they have to kick one out. The ten limit is PERMANENT. UNCHANGING. SET IN FORUM POST STONE.

The rest of the members go to the squads. You'll have some large number of people. I believe that should offset the "overpowered evil people" well enough.

Some of us, I know, would prefer to stay where we are. It's not worth kicking US out because YOU GUYS show a lack of initiative.

(and yes, some of this is latent anger. I don't give a shit. You're fucking leaders for a reason. If you're not doing something, let someone else do it.)

I apologize, Ser Dargonblead, for my repressed hostility.

Oh, and get rid of the academy. No point, really.

[Princess Gheyfu]

Hmm... well this is about time. =) IMO wiping clean the divisions every once in a while to weed out the inactive members is quite the excellent idea to keep things going forward, however, so we won't have the cramming problem, as we did in the earlier versions, the idea of keeping the VEQ can just allow enough members to join. I mean, it is impossible to have about 330 really activ member to fill a 22x15 system, but we should atleast have 180 active members out of thousands to fill up the gotei nicely. The shinigami academy could stay or go, both the previous and new systems work, but the newer one seems more organized.

BTW, for the revamping, will the leads of the gotei remain, or will they be wiped out and replaced along with the other members?

[Nicole]

Everyone would get wiped out. Captains will reapply (or new people expressing interest in captaincy would apply). Current Captains who reapply and have shown activeness and interest will most likely be put back in their old spots (granted they apply).

[Princess Gheyfu]

Everyone would get wiped out. Captains will reapply (or new people expressing interest in captaincy would apply). Current Captains who reapply and have shown activeness and interest will most likely be put back in their old spots (granted they apply).

Does the same apply to the recently added C46 aswell?

[Nicole]

They will still be able to apply, but as before, some contests they will not be able to participate in.

C46 isn't getting wiped out, either.

[Sandal Hat]

Total Bullshit.

[db]

Total Bullshit.

/spit

[Alerane]

Ummm, if I may speak up about something,

Why wipe the vbux? I have been saving up over months and months, and mine are not really related to my division at all

[Hakuoro]

Okay, here's my view on things~

Firstly, about the Divisions. Yes, a revamp is necessary, i agree on that. One thing I don't agree with is 10 members a Division. That'd be about 130 people, I believe, not counting the VEQ. Among CB's thousands of members, I can asure anyone that there is definitely more then 130 active, contributing people on this forum who would be glad to join the Division system. I just think that the numbers of people per Division should be raised to a higher number, is all.


Keeping the VEQ is a whole other issue. Obviously, the number of Divisions losing members to the VEQ is increasing. That of course provides an unfair advantage to the VEQ. It is, of course, the members choice to switch over, but the overall number of people just leaving their Divisions is too large to ignore. Some leaves the Division. Now that Divisions has one less member is it's future contests until it finds a new member, and in the mean time, the V, or E, or Q now have another member that hey can use to help win said contests. Of course wiping out the VEQ entirely is one method. It would be an effective one, but it's only flaw is that it would cut the number of people involved in the Bleach Project in half, thus destroying some members reasons for even coming to CB. An alternate method would be some sort of trading system. Perhaps the Division who lost he member, or the VEQ who lost the member cannot have the reward of the next Contest used against them for that particular contest. Something like taking points, or along the lines of those kinds of prizes. This of course, would only be for one contest, so it wouldn't provide a large benefit, but it would provide a slight protection.

Anyway, moving on. Wiping out the Acadmey. I have no objections, really. I preffered the system in which the Captain provides ome quiz or test that the member would have to pass to get into the Division. It's simpler, and it provides a personal Division test to see how the person answers to certain questions regarding various topics that could determine if, infact the Division did want this particular CB member.

Well, that's all I can think of right now. If you have any questions, pm me~

[Sandal Hat]

This Equates to Feces Erupting From a Bull's Ass

[Princess Gheyfu]

Hmm... one final question: In what system shall DC/VCs be picked? WIll it be a sort of (ex, not real) "Pipp-Ork running as DC with Demonic Ichigo running for VC" or, "Pipp-Ork and Demonic running seperately, and one is picked as DC and the other is picked as VC" or a completely other system will be used?

[db]

Captain Picks their VC.

Limit is there for a really good reason; you got to pick quality members and it forces the member to be active or risk being booted. 130 ppl is alot, i doubt we even have 130 active ppl now in the gotei 13 + VEQ

[Sandal Hat]

How would you know?

j/k :)

[Neku]

Erm isn't this a bit sudden, though? =/

[BeeCrest]

Keeping the VEQ is a whole other issue. Obviously, the number of Divisions losing members to the VEQ is increasing. That of course provides an unfair advantage to the VEQ. It is, of course, the members choice to switch over, but the overall number of people just leaving their Divisions is too large to ignore. Some leaves the Division. Now that Divisions has one less member is it's future contests until it finds a new member, and in the mean time, the V, or E, or Q now have another member that hey can use to help win said contests. Of course wiping out the VEQ entirely is one method. It would be an effective one, but it's only flaw is that it would cut the number of people involved in the Bleach Project in half, thus destroying some members reasons for even coming to CB. An alternate method would be some sort of trading system. Perhaps the Division who lost he member, or the VEQ who lost the member cannot have the reward of the next Contest used against them for that particular contest. Something like taking points, or along the lines of those kinds of prizes. This of course, would only be for one contest, so it wouldn't provide a large benefit, but it would provide a slight protection.
Anyway, moving on. Wiping out the Acadmey. I have no objections, really. I preffered the system in which the Captain provides ome quiz or test that the member would have to pass to get into the Division. It's simpler, and it provides a personal Division test to see how the person answers to certain questions regarding various topics that could determine if, infact the Division did want this particular CB member.
Well, that's all I can think of right now. If you have any questions, pm me~

Thus the limit on the amount of members. It's not like the Gotei Divisions are unable to gain quality members, and don't choose who goes into their division.

And I agree with Sandy on the bullshit comment.

[Mobius]

-academy is pointless, people pass easily enough and then go inactive so i say let captains choose who they want with the help of the divs (sorta liek the current VEQ)

i say admins, s-mods and mods should take responsibility of power sharing and be part of divs with less experienced members so that their chances in the divisional ladder increase. that way the unfairness factor is removed (i.e. VEQ)

new contests should have PENALTIES for divs that fail to even participate, monetary or otherwise this will help increase participation.

VEQ i say keep them but shuffle members with other divs to bring them down to the level of divs. (our bleach project doesnt have to reflect bleach in terms of power) this way the dominance of VEQ will reduce and provide an incentive for divs to participate.

thats it for now :P

EDIT: @ beecrest well we should try to remove the stigma of VEQ being the 1337 of the project and start a fresh. for example atm almost EVERYONE would choose to go into the VEQ over any other div. (no offence intended to divs) equality is the best medicine IMO.

[SunnyPie♥]

Uhh, I still think 10 members is too little u.u;
15 better...? >:

[Neku]

new contests should have PENALTIES for divs that fail to even participate, monetary or otherwise this will help increase participation.


Nice idea, but thats not always fair, i've known the transition of answers from the division to the admins go missing, like for example the admins losing the answers which have been sent in or what not.. =/

[Alerane]

I agree with Naru, the maximum of 10 is very small, only one of our members was inactive and we in the process of give him a time limit before he was removed

[ghey b]

my division has a total of 11 ppl, and we were top on the gotei ladder of divisions. i actually prefer only having 10members in my division besides me and the VC

what i dont see is why cant the active divisions stay. i guarantee you everyone in my division is active, so whats the point of getting rid of us. we love our place in the 12th. if you do wipe everyone clean then i guess it cant be helped and i will need to reapply as captain

as for the academy, imho i really dont care what happens there. i leave that to you guys.

vbux should be wiped clean of regular members and be given to only the gotei

[Neku]

vbux should be wiped clean of regular members and be given to only the gotei
That seems somewhat unfair, we've been earning this vbux up from doing stuff for the division for it just to be wiped...

[Mobius]

Nice idea, but thats not always fair, i've known the transition of answers from the division to the admins go missing, like for example the admins losing the answers which have been sent in or what not.. =/


yes, but admins can track the PMs of the captain (who sent in the answers) and see it there. and when it was sent so we can over come this.

also i think that there should be 15 open spots and let the captain decide how many he wants in the div. 10 is too low. coz atm there is approx 20 for a div i think. :P

[Neku]

I have to agree with the amount of members, 10 seems rather small as most of the divisions and VEQ have more than 10 active members, 15 does sound like a more reasonable number imo.

[BeeCrest]

But best of all, I want to avoid another reset if possible in the future. This is literally the Captain's job to keep the divisions active and the new central 46 making sure the Captains themselves are active and the admins/smods making sure the central 46 arent slacking off >_>

Then have the Captains....I dunno...make it work? Rather than wipe the entire Gotei have the captain's do their job and kick out inactive members. I'm not saying the captain's are incompetent, but I'm sure a few divisions could kick out a couple of inactive members until a set amount of members is in each division; this number being equal in each one. You did say it's the Captain's job. And as Shino said, old members are probably going to flock to their old division anyways.

[ghey b]

zero: your in a division and you will probably be in one again if your a good member so you dont have anything to worry about vbux wise

avinash: agreed about the pm's, plus we could take a screen shot of our outbox too to show we sent it.

as for divisions member number, 10 or 15 i dont care but 20 is to much imo

BC: exactly :D

[Icestorm]

This may have been answered, and if it has then im sorry.. but does this apply to Espada/Vaizard/ Quincy?

If it does I dont see the reason since we have been the most active/ competive.

[Analog]

Well I know in my division we keep it to 12 members total(including the DC/VC) and it works out great! I am not really happy about this because I love my division but if it has to be done, then so be it.

As for the academy I say let it go. I like the old way where you just applied and the division would then decide if they felt you were ready or not.

As for VEQ they should have the same set of members as the Gotei divisions, its only fair and then the active members can spread out.

[Neku]

zero: your in a division and you will probably be in one again if your a good member so you dont have anything to worry about vbux wise

Yeah thats why i deleted my post, i wasn't thinking when i posted it. :3

At first sight i though you meant regular members of the divisions.. xD

I'm tired, its half 3am here =/

[BeeCrest]

EDIT: @ beecrest well we should try to remove the stigma of VEQ being the 1337 of the project and start a fresh. for example atm almost EVERYONE would choose to go into the VEQ over any other div. (no offence intended to divs) equality is the best medicine IMO.

And what exactly is keeping the Divisions from being "1337"? Are you saying specific members who are considered better than others should be made to spread out? Note: I'm not saying that everyone in the VEQ are better than everyone else. Hell, I'm not really that helpful in contests. A few yes, but others...no help whatsoever. 1337 members will keep coming into the Academy as well.

And if you're going to set a limit on which members can join what Division for equality, wouldn't it be fair to shuffle ALL of the Divisions rather than let some stay together like old times? People aren't exactly going to be happy if you force old Division members from getting back together.

[BamBam vi Britannia]

I think that as the forum grows more and more members are going to be apart of a division, since most divisions already have more than 10members there is no more room for new ones. I think it is best to have 15 members, that way new ones can come and other dont have to leave. As for activeness I think the C46 should have a rule that if a division misses 2 contests in a row they are slightly penalized and if it continues then greater action should be taken like replace Taichou.

[Mobius]

A total revwmp is in order. If you just “inter vene now itll go back to normal quicksharp @ JB if your div is good and you are a good capt you will get your position and all you have to do is reaccept the members you hav now and youll be back. Starting again is better than just trying to fix imo.

also how about removing the allowances that the cap and the VC get. And if the div needs funds they ask an admin then the admin either gives or not depending on their level of activity and positive participation. Because the allowances of caps and VC are so exorbitant that they don’t really need to participate in contests. :P

we gotz to be ruthless :3

[Icestorm]

I think it would be ridiculous to wipe the VEQ out aswell. We have been the upstanding example of how a division should be run.. Forget the L337 crap.. We are organised and active and thats why we win. If you look at the amount of Divisions competing and division members that compete its crazy.. Should we get penalised because we take the time to organise our area/base of operations better? I dont think so.

[Momo]

. . . -_-

if you're gonna clean the entire gotei13 and all that shiet, just kick all the members. Let captains/vc stay and choose whoever they want. :S

and this came out suddenly >.>...

[Icestorm]

See I think the problem here is that everyone has some sort of mindset that we are better because we picked everyone without there own free-will.. well people that were picked were given a decision. There are always new members entering CB and who's to say that the next isnt a genius? Be organised and take interest and you will succeed.. Labelling us as better just because we got some sort of 'advantage' is just an excuse so that you guys dont clean up your acts.

[Akiha]

Keep the VEQ. Although it does seem like it's "overpowered," it's just that they're the most active.

A total revamp is harsh. I think that the DC and VCs should just weed out inactive members. Cursive and I have revamped all of 7th's rules, re-did seating, and were also having intradivisional contests; basically just getting back on track. If need be, make something like a "monthly check" or something to make sure the Division isn't dead. I'm sure almost all Divs are actually active.

The Academy is a mixed subject for me. I see the organization and flexibility of the Academy, but also I can see that Captains just picking members when they apply would be good since they can see who would fit in their Div best. So, keep or leave the Academy. I care little.

Limit the number of members to the Gotei and VEQ to 15. 10 seems too little. Most Divisions I'm guessing have more than 10 members. It would be harsh to kick someone out saying, "Hey, sorry, we can't have you here due to a 10 member limit."

I think we should keep the vbPlaza but give it only to GoteiVEQ or above only. That would give more incentive for new members to work hard to want to do something, say like change their name.

[Neku]

If you look at it at a logical point of view, you have ALOT of the admins, smods and mods of this forum, ofcourse all the new good members are going to go to you because of that. We end up having to take the 'left overs'...

But i guess you do do well in contests because your active and such, so i suppose you shouldn't be destroyed.

[Alerane]

This may cause issues in our division in general as our Captian is away until later in november/december and left the division to the VC, what of the Captian when she returns and all the divs are full? That is unfair as she was responsible as a captian to setup a system in our division for until she came back

[Neku]

Save a spot for her? I'm sure they don't expect you to have the full amount of members. ^_^

[Alerane]

Save a spot for her? I'm sure they don't expect you to have the full amount of members. ^_^

But that goes back to the issue of smaller division size limits

[Shinomori]

Kick all the captains and vice-captains.

They did a bad job last time, don't let them try it again.

There, is everyone happy now? :)

(see, there's always a rational solution.)

(I don't know if you guys realized this, but I'm being sarcastic. I'm still positive that my first post has the best idea I came up with. Which should account for something, even though you all glossed it over.)

[Icestorm]

Just because we have admins, mods and S-mods doesnt make us automatically more intelligent than the divisions..

lol.. the majority of Ryuukens posts only contain the word Babies! But he is smart :D

[db]

1 captain + 1 vc + 10 members is enough. Limit is there so it balances the divisions.

You arent kicking anyone out since we are starting fresh. Its the captain that has to decide 1 potential VC and 10 other members out of all the ppl that applied for the division.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Our division does pretty well for ourself so this whole thing is 50/50 for me. Get rid of the academy, it seems to be getting less members every class anyway. VEQ are a bit overpowered, they just have way too many members. Limit them, change the captains of the dead divisions and it will be fine.

[Icestorm]

Jealous divisions are jealous. :)

[Bamboobie]

I agree 100% with the 10 people per division limit.
How will they be picked though? I think it should be randomly. IMO, there was too much favoritism going on. People getting in the same division as their buddies. I think, in order for everyone to get to know everyone better, that we should be randomly placed into a division. And we'll just learn to love who we're with.

Also, does the 10 user limit include the Captain and VC?
nvm. answered.

I also agree 100% with our vbux being wiped. It's not fair. Some members have so much money. From divisional allowances or being a Captain or VC.
Ya know, some people don't deserve that money.


I support you guys. :D

[Neku]

Just because we have admins, mods and S-mods doesnt make us automatically more intelligent than the divisions..

lol.. the majority of Ryuukens posts only contain the word Babies! But he is smart :D
Nah, what i meant is, generally new members look up to them as 'the best people on the forum' hence why that is.

But i guess its our job to try and turn them away from that temptation i guess, hmm.

I think this idea has got good points and bad points.

[Alerane]

How will they be picked though? I think it should be randomly. IMO, there was too much favoritism going on. People getting in the same division as their buddies. I think, in order for everyone to get to know everyone better, that we should be randomly placed into a division. And we'll just learn to love who we're with.


Buddies or not, divisions that get along work better together, and our division was more laid back yet we still participated in all the contests so I see no problem with that

[db]

Currently I'm dumping the VEQ since there are around 3 inactive divisions already and they will fill that spot.

When a captain applies and is picked, he/she will get a random divisional #

[Bamboobie]

Buddies or not, divisions that get along work better together, and our division was more laid back yet we still participated in all the contests so I see no problem with that

I meant that before, division members were picking people that aren't very active just because they would get a long well. Though, now with the 'be active, or get the boot' rule, that seems to be taken care of.

[Shinomori]

1 captain + 1 vc + 10 members is enough. Limit is there so it balances the divisions.

You arent kicking anyone out since we are starting fresh. Its the captain that has to decide 1 potential VC and 10 other members out of all the ppl that applied for the division.

Just do it already, seriously.

You don't need anyone's input.

Get this shit on the road, if it's going to be.

[ghey b]

1 captain + 1 vc + 10 members is enough. Limit is there so it balances the divisions.

You arent kicking anyone out since we are starting fresh. Its the captain that has to decide 1 potential VC and 10 other members out of all the ppl that applied for the division.

when do we expect this to be done? any set time on the reset?

[Icestorm]

wow.. dumping the VEQ? no way. Thats madness... and this ISNT Sparta.

[Neku]

I also would like to know when this is gunna happen... its 4am and i'd really like to get some sleep... xD

[Bamboobie]

Yes, no reason to wait. Most people seem to agree upon this. I say, the sooner the better.

[Alerane]

I meant that before, division members were picking people that aren't very active just because they would get a long well. Though, now with the 'be active, or get the boot' rule, that seems to be taken care of.


I meant buddies, I did not in any way mean inactive members

[Shinomori]

Ice, please be quiet.

You've already stolen my signature line.

<adjective> <nouns> are <adjective> is something I say all the time.

And now you're saying it.

Honestly, first you steal hitsugaya hate from undying, and now you steal lines from me.

Original ideas or GTFO.

And I agree with the idea. It's not madness.

Just another chance to show how large the individual contributions were to the leading divisions.

[Asuka]

But 3 inactive divisions pretty much covers the VEQ right there, and since most members in those three groups were active it should work out fine. You just won't have your name, insteald you'll be a number.

[Icestorm]

@Shino: Psh I can say whatever I want.. I have no idea what your talking about when it comes to your ideas. I just decided to state a fact.

But on second thought this should prove be 'interesting'..

[Shinomori]

Fine, ice.

IT'S TIME

TO
D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-DUEL!

[Reco]

Hm, I'm not jelious of the VQE. All users have the same guildlines to go through to get into one of those.
Divisions should be self run and the Captian/VC should set guidlines for their divisions that would make people be active. My Captian has set rules and if you violate those rules their is consequnces. But it is not that hard to be active so really divisions can work it out.
And if your going to start with new Captians and Vice Captians those people would not know all of the active members there is avalible so they might just pick the ones they are friendly with. That is high school and I don't think that is better then what the Gotei 13 is right now. Also, 10 members puts a lot of pressure on very few people to uphold the Gotei 13. I think it should be around 15 at the most.
As for the Academy, it does give you a general idea about the contests and the amount of work you need to put in. It also connects you to people you would never know. But it does help the Gotei 13 very little the way it is now. Maybe fix that, because if you go through a fixed version of that it might fix the Gotei 13.

[Icestorm]

Spellzors? ^

But I play DARK MAGICIAN.. GIRL.. *perversion levels raised 1000* Fanboyism wins.

[ghey b]

really its not 10 members its 12 members, 10+C+VC

which imo is plenty to uphold the gotei, like i said before, my division is 11ppl total and we were at the top of the divisions.

i agree tho, if this is gonna be done and nothing is going to change your minds then we should do it soon

btw. theres a freaking rainbow at the bottom of my screen. 21 colorfully members.

[Bamboobie]

I meant buddies, I did not in any way mean inactive members

I'm sorry. I was talking about division members picking members who may be their buddies but not beneficial to their division. That is the one of the current faults within the Gotei. :|

[db]

Shino:

I'm just waiting on blitzy then i'm executing this on my birthday :)

[Ren]

lol jb, i see rainbow too :p

any special guideline for anyone who wants to apply for captaincy?

[edit] good luck to everyone :3

[Shinomori]

Shino:

I'm just waiting on blitzy then i'm executing this on my birthday :)

Is that the same day I'm killing that one guy for admin powers? XD

(Alright, though, nice to know this is going down. I'd send you some cookies, by the way, but I'm kind of not anywhere I can make them. It's too bad, really - I'm a decent cook.)

[Musashidensu]

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[Miyagi Rikku]

Why is that the VEQ held responsible for the inactivity of the Gotei 13. The staff is the
one to be blamed for not re-electing or keeping the Captainship open for the inactive
divisions. It is not our fault that they were inactive, that the CB members wants to join
us since we site good activity within the forums.

Would you want to join a dead division, with a dead captain and VC? and along with
dead members? I should hell would not but you guys neglected that and now you guys
are trying to throw the blame on VEQ. Not our fault that people wants to join us cause
we are active divisions.


No flaming please, this is my 2 cents. If you think I am getting this wrong, explain
it elaborately to me.

[Nicole]

I guess I see it more as a trade off.

3 inactive divisions = VEQ.

So instead of being VEQ, we'll be just a numbered division.

[Midare]

I agree with Miya about VEQ but, personally, I don't agree with two ideas:

1. Remove all the Captains and Vice-Captains, even those from the active divisions.

2. the limit of 10 members...

And I won't say anything else since, honestly, I'm afraid I'll end up flaming and I don't want to.

Sorry...

[FullMetal Rebel]

Why is that the VEQ held responsible for the inactivity of the Gotei 13. The staff is the
one to be blamed for not re-electing or keeping the Captainship open for the inactive
divisions. It is not our fault that they were inactive, that the CB members wants to join
us since we site good activity within the forums.

Would you want to join a dead division, with a dead captain and VC? and along with
dead members? I should hell would not but you guys neglected that and now you guys
are trying to throw the blame on VEQ. Not our fault that people wants to join us cause
we are active divisions.


No flaming please, this is my 2 cents. If you think I am getting this wrong, explain
it elaborately to me.


I just think you guys have way too many people, being active isn't the problem.

[Icestorm]

Problem Elo.. we will be limited to 10 members.. that means some of the brothers and sisters of the Espada wont be coming home.


Also @ Full: We have some inactive members too.. or we have members that are only sometimes active because they are retired or no longer go to the forum.

[BeeCrest]

I guess I see it more as a trade off.
3 inactive divisions = VEQ.
So instead of being VEQ, we'll be just a numbered division.

That's if we're allowed to join up again. :)

And well, **** it. Mason, we're starting our own goddamn country.

^ Had to be said XD

[Miyagi Rikku]

Fullmetal: We dont have much members, we have the same amount of members as
the 1 active Gotei division does. We only used to have 15/15 member capacity.

Elo: sorry that is not the point. I understand the trading off to be numbers.
But VEQ is suffering the consequences that we should not be taking blame
of.

[Nicole]

Some weren't even active or useful anyway.

It'll be a gamble for us to join up again, though.

[Asuka]

I agree with Miya about VEQ but, personally, I don't agree with two ideas:

1. Remove all the Captains and Vice-Captains, even those from the active divisions.

2. the limit of 10 members...

And I won't say anything else since, honestly, I'm afraid I'll end up flaming and I don't want to.

Sorry...

I actually agree with the removal of the captains. Seeing as there's a high chance for the good captains to get divisions back, it'll get rid of the ones that aren't active, while allowing for other people who may do a good job a chance to prove themselves.

2nd point: 12 members, it's 3 shy of 15, so I can't argue with that.

[Shinomori]

"Brothers and sisters"?

Seriously.

It's the fucking INTERNETS.

You're talking about this like it's the goddamn Iraq War and that we're going to get blown up by some fricking IEDs.

It's not like we're going to fall out of the tubes or anything.

[Midare]

@Eris: I agree with the removal of the captains who aren't active, I only don't agree with the removal of the captains who are active, that's all.

And even is not a big difference,between 13 and 15 members in number, I think that inside a div that is a big difference... but again, that's just my point of view.

[Icestorm]

I'd like to think that some of us do have friends on the internet but just to make it clear I was just using it as a metaphor, if you didnt get that one.

[Blue]

/me demands to stay in 13th

[BeeCrest]

Well, if the decision has been made there's no point in whining in posts, unless you have valid questions to ask.

/me enters Smod-Mode

[Icestorm]

Some people WILL be left behind.


Nah.. Bee is right. Im out.

[Kenta]

It's really unfair to wipe the VEQ while the people in Gotei gets to sit comfortably in their seats. If you want to start fresh, at least clean everyone out and let all of us apply fairly for the spots.

By the way, to someone who support resetting vbux, it's easy for you to say that when you have only been here for a few months. Some of us have been here for a few years and earned their every penny. Way to kick the loyal ones in the nuts.

[db]

What are you going to do with your mass amount of vbux? Flex your epeen? Vbux is worth trash now

How is the gotei sitting "comfortably?"

[ghey b]

so the vbux are officially being removed too?

if so i think i will divy out the points and buy rep while i still can :p

[Shinomori]

What are you going to do with your mass amount of vbux? Flex your epeen? Vbux is worth trash now

How is the gotei sitting "comfortably?"

Always were, it's not like we could do anything useful with them.

(oh I changed someone's dp lol)

And I think he's referencing his belief that the gotei captains are still captains. Which is um...double-plus-un-true.

[Bamboobie]

Is there a thread explaining qualifications to apply for Captain or VC?

What would happen to the GFX shops if the vBux system is dropped?

[ghey b]

thats true i just realized that and was going to post about it

what will happen to the gfx shops, how will we charge for stuff

i still think vbux should only be for gotei members

[Reco]

If you are taking away the vbx, how can someone buy something from the GFX teams? Wouldn't that make the GFX teams useless?

[Miyagi Rikku]

If you take vbux off, you guys have to think of other methods to reward Contests.

[db]

Its a reset of vbux aka everyone starting off with like 2500 pts and revert all the prices back down to normal etc. I would prob disable interest in bank, keeping lottery up. This makes the prizes for the contest much more appealing aka the old vbux system we used to do

[Yuki]

Ermmm... are the vaizards/Espadas/Quincies gonna be deleted? What will happen with all our posts, will them be deleted too?

[Isis]

Currently I'm dumping the VEQ since there are around 3 inactive divisions already and they will fill that spot.

When a captain applies and is picked, he/she will get a random divisional #
Yeah, I've been away and I'm supposed to be away for another 2 weeks but when I heard about the resetting of Gotei 13, I had to come back on temporarily to see just what is going on in CB. If I didn't know about this, I would probably have been left out of the application for captaincy :/ Which comes to my question, how do you apply?

At least I can do that before I come back on to CB only to find I'm in a different division or not in a division at all, which will add to my confusement in trying to get back into things here on CB.

[Analog]

I say you wipe it and start taking DC applications, get this thing rolling so it is done asap.

[db]

lol dont worry mirage, its not like we are going to forget the current captains if they are busy temporarily etc.

Yuki: I dont delete threads if I kill a section; I just archive them

[Mobius]

i think that is a great idea. dont take it the wrong way but ppl with liek 1mill of vbux is just rediculous.

[Icestorm]

Yeah Yuki.. the Espada's Vaizards and Quincys are going to be deleted and replaced with a number of a division.

[Yuki]

But... if there are only going to be 13 divisions with 10 members each, this will mean that lots of users will be left out.

Am I right?

[db]

No. Can you name me 156 active members within the gotei project? Of course you guys can expand later only if the other divisions are nearly filled also.

[Nowitzki]

It will redistribute current active users more than exclude them.

[db]

It will redistribute current active users more than exclude them.

Correct; hopefully it shifts around active members and push out the inactive ones. Flaw of this is that there is of course some members wanting to join a certain division only for it to be full.

[Nicole]

Yes, but in a way it'll hopefully keep activity up. Divisions with the majority of its members inactive aren't doing any good. When members know that they have the chance of getting kicked out if they are suddenly inactive for a long time, they will want to stay active to keep their spot.

Is there any way we may be able to implement a prize for a contest being an extra slot in a division again?

[Icestorm]

Thats the main problem.. since friendships are established in the team environment.

[db]

Yes but you guys can always split into "2 groups" and compete against each other :P

[Yuki]

Can you name me 156 active members within the gotei project?

*cough**cough* I can't *cough*

Of course you guys can expand later only if the other divisions are nearly filled also.

Ah, okay. I get it.

Well, I kinda want to know how all this will end =)

[Future]

Question? I'm quiet the active one in my div... if this goes as plan, are you kicking out the members and they have to join in again later? and how are you going to pick the new captains?

[Blue]

Some of the captains are actually active and I don't think It's fair for them to lose their spots. Kick out the inactive captains and clean out the divs, imo.

[Analog]

It will end in the destruction of the world.

Competing against your friends is always fun too! :P

[Isis]

lol dont worry mirage, its not like we are going to forget the current captains if they are busy temporarily etc.

Yuki: I dont delete threads if I kill a section; I just archive them
Lol good, cause when I need to be studying for my exams, I'm worrying about this instead =P But it is freaky though, while I was gone I was telling another CBer that I felt a big change coming on, who knew I was actually right o:

Yes anyway, I shall bugger around this forum a little cause its like the last few hours then I shall study <_<

[db]

Active captains are fearing to lose their spot? You guys have like 99.99% of getting the captaincy spot if you guys reapply =/

[Jaran]

I'm surprised so many people are actually liking this idea...

By the way, DB, Z hates the idea with a passion.

Also, I personally think it sucks, due to the fact that those who are in divisions now will have to apply quickly, or risk not getting into a division with those they were recently in with.

Plus, with the way we had it before, new people at least had a chance of getting into a division...now once the divisions are full, there will be even less of a chance for them to get in. Having a 20 person limit and 3 extra division gave us an entire 60 extra slots for people to join in.

Granted, that isn't a large amount, but at least it allows SOME inclusion.

Also, if the old vets that are currently inactive ever decide to come back, they'll find themselves divisionless, and they'll have to go through the whole process of reapplying, and will probably not even be able to get a spot, since they'll fill up faster than a leprechaun fills up his pot o' gold.

I don't care about the vbux at all, they're useless for just about anything...plus the bonuses you buy disappear after a set time...totally lame.

But IMO, this whole reshuffling thing just knocks the Vaizards and Espada out of the #1 and #2 spot, respectively. The fact that an admin wasn't the one who thought this idea up brings me to assume that the individual who did bring it up was merely pissed that the "elite divisions" were in the #1 and #2 spots, and was angry that their division "didn't stand a chance" or something along those lines (yes, I know who proposed it, I'm not saying names on purpose).

Even if that isn't the case, the whole thing is a bad idea in general. If you want to knock people down to 10 people per division + C/VC, that would be fine. But disbanding three divisions just because there are three inactive divisions? How about reshuffling the Gotei instead of disbanding three divisions? That'd probably be the more logical choice.

[Future]

Re-setting the vbux is stupid, i worked hard to get this much... and so did the others...

[Blue]

Active captains are fearing to lose their spot? You guys have like 99.99% of getting the captaincy spot if you guys reapply =/

What are the chances of getting the division we want, though? I'd like to stay in 13th, more than anything.

[Bamboobie]

I say, since this is going to happen soon, just set up the Captain and Vice Captain applications.

[Icestorm]

Jaran speaks the truth DragonBlade.

[db]

Um jaran, you know blitz want to *cough* scrap the gotei also :P

As for having to apply quickly, why? Its the captain choice on who they want to recruit. Its not like they gonna pick first come first serve.

There will be always room to get into any division, but probably not into the one you want. Either wait up for a new spot to appear etc.

Btw, It was admins + supermods that talk about this idea.

Icestorms: naw

[Hits]

Only if you grant me supreme emperor of the divisions, and only then I'll comply to your silly idea.
Nao please.

[db]

Sure hits :D

[Icestorm]

I think Z might like the idea of scrapping divisions.. but not the VEQ

[Mobius]

as suggested by Dec:
if we keep the VEQ then we can limit those three to 5ppl per group.
However it does seem superfluous to have 3 extra divs just for 15 ppl... just something to consider.

that way they have less ppl but 1337 ppl so it sorta evens it out.

[Yuki]

About the academy, well, I'm not sure if anyone of the staff has posted anything but... well, we are not getting as many applications as we used to. I don't think it will a big deal to remove it =/

[Jaran]

Um jaran, you know blitz want to *cough* scrap the gotei also :P

If that's true, would you please explain this, DB? This convo took place today, all times are EST.

[13:05] <Z_Blitz> I'm resurrecting the Espada
[13:05] <Z_Blitz> under a new division =p
[13:05] <Miyata> Lol.
[13:05] <Z_Blitz> So you could do the same
[13:05] <[rei]> ......
[13:05] <Jaran> You mean...
[13:05] <Miyata> Just from guessing, I take it that they're being demolished because they had all the senior and best members of CB?
[13:05] <Jaran> The Espada would go poof?
[13:05] <Miyata> The elite divisions, that is.
[13:05] <[rei]> like clubs fronting prostitution
[13:05] <Z_Blitz> Aye Jaran.
[13:05] <Jaran> That's BS.
[13:05] <Z_Blitz> I know it is =/.
[13:06] <Z_Blitz> It's much harder on me than it is on ANY of you

[13:06] <Z_Blitz> I FOUNDED the Espada
[13:06] <[rei]> stay as you were
[13:06] <Jaran> I take it you're fighting against the decision?
[13:06] <[rei]> srsly
[13:06] <Miyata> I NAGGED DB FOR MONTHS BEFORE HE MADE THE QUINCIES!
[13:06] <Z_Blitz> Of course
[13:06] <Z_Blitz> But I was outvoted

[13:07] <Z_Blitz> don't take it to heart yet =/.
[13:07] <Z_Blitz> I'm trying to fight against it
[13:08] <Z_Blitz> and act like you don't know about this for the time being

All spaces are breaks in the chat that I omitted in order to clarify the conversation.

As you can see here, DB, Z does NOT like the idea. He's probably just rolling with it because the rest of you guys are all for it.

Also, about the "admins + supermods" talking about it, I don't believe a word of it due to this.

[13:06] <Jaran> Let me guess, shin came up with the idea?
[13:06] <Z_Blitz> Surprisingly no
[13:06] <Miyata> :o.
[13:06] <Miyata> Sandy?
[13:06] <[rei]> decado
[13:07] <Miyata> DB?
[13:07] <Z_Blitz> Askand
[13:07] <Jaran> Askand????
[13:07] <Miyata> ...
[13:07] <[rei]> what?!
[13:07] <Jaran> WTF WHORE SLUT CUNT
[13:07] <Miyata> Is she C46?
[13:07] <Jaran> I KILLZ HER
[13:07] <Jaran> I KILLLLLLLZ HERRRRRR!
[13:07] <[rei]> WHAT THE ****!
[13:07] <Z_Blitz> I quote: "What is the purpose of VEQ?"

QED.

[Icestorm]

Who wants something that they fought hard to organise and keep maintained destroyed? I mean we were rose to power through activeness and organisation.. yet we are punished for the misguided doings of our enemies?

[Cheryl]

@Jaran: Actually, it was Z_Blitz who brought up the idea in C46. Askand did question the VEQ's purpose though.

[Jaran]

So basically you're saying that Z lied...

You're accusing Z of lying...

Wow, good job, Cher, you just lost cool points.

[Icestorm]

Purpose? We function as enemies of the Gotei.. or just like any division.. because we exist as a subtle representation of the opposing forces in the anime known as Bleach... that which this forum is named after.. Good enough?

[Future]

SO when is this going to happen?

[Nowitzki]

@Avinash - A division wouldn't even be worth having if it's 5 people.

[db]

Of course he does not like the idea but he is the one that started this driving force of wiping the divisions. I didnt even think about it until other staffies talked about it.

You guys can blame me if you want but dont blame the other staff members; its not like we like to do this but its one of the best methods of balancing the divisions out

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10292007225237mg8.jpg

[Cassie]

premature ejaculation has occured, and I sense babies incoming.

@Jaran: Z's convo with Elo was what set it off in C46. It may have been discussed elsewhere, but not to such a level of proportions.

[Cheryl]

>.>

I don't know if I should be quoting from the conversation Nicole had with Z_Blitz in C46. But this is a short quote plzkthx.

Zblitz333 (10:48:58 AM): I'll have to talk to the rest of C46 before I do this
Zblitz333 (10:49:06 AM): but I'll empty out all divisions
Zblitz333 (10:49:10 AM): all teams
elocin81787 (10:48:17 AM): even C/VC?
Zblitz333 (10:49:18 AM): scratch VEQ from existance
Zblitz333 (10:49:23 AM): Even Cs and VCs

I don't know what Blitz is thinking tbh. Just thought I'd post it here anyway. -_-

[Icestorm]

FFS. This is just chaos. Someone gather the whole authority of CB and tell them the final verdict or.. close this thread with a decision as final. We are going in circles.

[Jaran]

Obviously he was going for damage control. The only way to even feasibly compromise on the issue is what he said.

The other way is to just reshuffle the G13 and lower the allotted members per division, like I proposed earlier.

This way is simply a lot more work than necessary, and requires a lot of people taking a lot of time to do it.

To be honest, it seems largely unnecessary. The VEQ are good divisions, and they like their names. If you want to balance out and re-activate the other divisions, then like I said, it would be more efficient to simply have the captains submit a list of who is inactive, have them prune their divisions, and then lower the amount of people allowed per division.

That way, those who are inactive will be pruned, and if certain divisions have more inactives than actives, the actives that are let go from the divisions have a full allotment of active people will join up with those divisions.

Far simpler than formatting and reinstalling.

[Lenne]

FFS. This is just chaos. Someone gather the whole authority of CB and tell them the final verdict or.. close this thread with a decision as final. We are going in circles.
thank you icestorm

...

[db]

Well i think resetting is better then pruning; you guys probably have to prune active members to reach the limit which is bad <_<. I'm not going to decide until blitz comes back. I am thinking of a compromise

[Evanesque]

I need to get Ahmed's number, call him at uni and ask him wtf is going on -.-

[Icestorm]

Well shall we close this and wait for Blitzy?

[Future]

It's not we really get a choice anyways, you admins will just do what you's want

[Kuran Kaname]

for non dc applicants, will the standards and requirements be staggering for us to get a spot?

[Jaran]

It's not we really get a choice anyways, you admins will just do what you's want

That's true, in the end it comes down to the fact that the member opinions don't matter at all, even though it's us that are affected.

We might as well not even say anything and just take it in the pooper like good little bitches.

Woot for the all powerful Club Bleach Empire.

I suppose by now we're up to the Fourth Reich or so...

[Decado]

Since I'm Academy staff......
About the academy, well, I'm not sure if anyone of the staff has posted anything but... well, we are not getting as many applications as we used to. I don't think it will a big deal to remove it =/
I agree. The Academy seems pointless atm. No big deal if it gets scrapped.


@Avinash - A division wouldn't even be worth having if it's 5 people.
yeah, I was thinking outloud when it was typed. I agree. :)



Personally I'm not opposed to the scrapping of the VEQ, since there's no point in even having the Bleach Project if there's no competition.

[♥ Tess]

^nicely worded

[Nowitzki]

My idea of compromise:

Keep Vaizards, Espada, Quincy with 10 person limit. Captain's of each of these will select who stays, and who is sent to the Gotei 13.

Lower Gotei 13 memberships to 15 per division and do what needs to be done (new Captains, pruning inactive members, etc.)

Highlights of this:
Gotei 13 gets reorganized
VEQ still intact but limited
Some "elite" members get shuffled around
Gotei 13 has quantity vs quality advantage against the VEQ
Limited membership of divisions leading to more competition
All of this leads to more activity

[Future]

That's true, in the end it comes down to the fact that the member opinions don't matter at all, even though it's us that are affected.
We might as well not even say anything and just take it in the pooper like good little bitches.
Woot for the all powerful Club Bleach Empire.
I suppose by now we're up to the Fourth Reich or so...

Yup, it's going to affect us the most, yet it's not our choice... doesn't seem quite fair somehow...

[diamondedge]

I disagree with this.

True, I was browsing the gotei member list and it's a sad sight, but that's why we have captains for. Make them kick inactive members and put some effort into recruiting. If divisions can't make themselves active by themselves and I hear this is not the first time you did this restart, this is only going to continue. If not anything else, captains and vice captains should be FORCED to get their division back up and running. It's their job, their responsibility they took when they got the captains spot.

@ice: What enemies?? WTF are you people thinking? Why are you using such words?
Isn't this supposed to be the friendly competition, not all all out war?
This kind of attitude is going to bury the system time and again. All the negativities among the groups and arguments who is more 1337 should STOP.

All of you, examine what you're saying.

Also, if this was not a joint decision which all staff agree to, this is a fail to begin with.

This disappoints me greatly.

EDIT. I agree completely with futuristic. Instead of C46/staff helping to solve the inactivity problem, best thing is just to wipe everything clean. least work for you huh?

[Jaran]

Personally I'm not opposed to the scrapping of the VEQ, since there's no point in even having the Bleach Project if there's no competition.

Pfeh.

This from an Espada? I expected a bit more...

Who cares about competition? Supreme domination is all that matters on this board anywho.

[Future]

It's not much of a competition, seeing as the VEQ are raping us :lol

[Kuran Kaname]

I disagree with this.

True, I was browsing the gotei member list and it's a sad sight, but that's why we have captains for. Make them kick inactive members and put some effort into recruiting. If divisions can't make themselves active by themselves and I hear this is not the first time you did this restart, this is only going to continue. If not anything else, captains and vice captains should be FORCED to get their division back up and running. It's their job, their responsibility they took when they got the captains spot.

but wat about those of us whos captian and vc arent as active as they used to be?

[db]

My idea of compromise:

Keep Vaizards, Espada, Quincy with 10 person limit. Captain's of each of these will select who stays, and who is sent to the Gotei 13.

Lower Gotei 13 memberships to 15 per division and do what needs to be done (new Captains, pruning inactive members, etc.)

Highlights of this:
Gotei 13 gets reorganized
VEQ still intact but limited
Some "elite" members get shuffled around
Gotei 13 has quantity vs quality advantage against the VEQ
Limited membership of divisions leading to more competition
All of this leads to more activity

I like this and have thought about it. We will see though.

[Icestorm]

@Diamond: Yes enemies.. That is what the Espada represent.. even in competion at CB.. we are the opponents to the Divisions. We are set up as a representive of the Bleach anime.. a subtle representive but one all the same.. and they are enemies.. or are you forgetting what this system is based around? Its competition.. not fairy dancing.. while we compete we are opposing teams .. therfore we are enemies. But when the comp ends everthing is good.


@DB/Obby : I like the idea aswell.. To me it seems like a logical and fair decision.

[Analog]

If we want the pwnage to stop then we must do something about it and stop them. Just because they are beating us is no reason to cut them, we just have to do something about it and stop bitching about it.

[Future]

I agree, i mean sure the VEQ have "elite" members or whatever, and they are very intelligent groups *cough* :lol ...doesn't mean they should be kicked, but they should be more limited

[Jaran]

Originally Posted by Obbywan
My idea of compromise:

Keep Vaizards, Espada, Quincy with 10 person limit. Captain's of each of these will select who stays, and who is sent to the Gotei 13.

Lower Gotei 13 memberships to 15 per division and do what needs to be done (new Captains, pruning inactive members, etc.)

Highlights of this:
Gotei 13 gets reorganized
VEQ still intact but limited
Some "elite" members get shuffled around
Gotei 13 has quantity vs quality advantage against the VEQ
Limited membership of divisions leading to more competition
All of this leads to more activity


I like this and have thought about it. We will see though.

I wonder why people always need a list...

I pretty much said that exact same thing and met with opposition.

Obby makes a list and everyone is like, "I enjoy that idea."

[Kuran Kaname]

i think that if a div captian is inactive ne more, you should revoke thier captaincy. and have that div take a vote on who they want to be the new captian

[Bamboobie]

If we want the pwnage to stop then we must do something about it and stop them. Just because they are beating us is no reason to cut them, we just have to do something about it and stop bitching about it.
That's where the captains are supposed to come in and get their divisions organized and what not.

I agree with Obby's plan.

Also, we would have to replace some inactive captains.

[Icestorm]

Your right Jaran.. but its a simplified version with less stuff to read for DB.

[Nowitzki]

@Ice - Theoretically though, we're suppose to be 16 separate entities fighting each other, not one giant entity (13 squads) vs a small one (Vaizpada) which is what it seems to be now. It has to even out.

[Blue]

Anyone else notice how the Espada are the only ones benefiting from these suggestions? I say burn the VEQ and keep the Gotei captains, although cleaning out the divs isn't a bad idea.

[angelicdesire]

I don't agree with obbywan's plan at all. it wouldn't be fair to the rest of us, because the simple fact that they will keep pwning us. It strickly isn't fair, and as far as the whole veq thing, you guys really need to stop your complaining and if DB wants to wipe you guys clean then so be it.

All this complaining and about how much you guys are better and etc, isn't helping things at all. Ya'll need to stop with the big ego's and tone it down...seriously

[Jaran]

If we're 16 seperate entities fighting each other, then 13 of them shouldn't be on the same side.

We should just make it be the Hollow Evolution Project, and each division can be a Menos.

Woot. First one to Vasto Lord wins. :P

I don't agree with obbywan's plan at all. it wouldn't be fair to the rest of us, because the simple fact that they will keep pwning us. It strickly isn't fair, and as far as the whole veq thing, you guys really need to stop your complaining and if DB wants to wipe you guys clean then so be it.

Oh, and you think this will stop that? Sorry to break it to you, but the captain of the Espada will most likely be one of the new captains, and guess who he's going to accept into his squad?

That's right, all of the old Espada, minus three or four.

Bleat more, sheep.

[Miyagi Rikku]

Anyone else notice how the Espada are the only ones benefiting from these suggestions? I say burn the VEQ and keep the Gotei captains, although cleaning out the divs isn't a bad idea.


The Vaizards and I am sure the Quincies as well are benefiting from Jaran/Obby's idea.

[Kuran Kaname]

i agree with beluga. but keep tha captians, and the top 4 seats of the div! burn the rest!! and the veq

[Nowitzki]

@Angelic - Espada lose 8 out of 18 members with my plan, and I don't know about Vaizards and Espadas. 8 out of 18 is almost HALF. It's not like we really benefit from it, we're just trying to compromise. Us losing half our members and the divisions having more members, and some of our members dispersed to them, seems like a pretty good deal to me.

[Blue]

The Vaizards and I am sure the Quincies as well are benefiting from Jaran/Obby's idea.

lols whut

Zomg as long as the VEQ are satisfied, **** the rest of us. @_@

/me cuts himself

[db]

I wonder why people always need a list...
I pretty much said that exact same thing and met with opposition.
Obby makes a list and everyone is like, "I enjoy that idea."

I already thought of it many ideas :P I havent decided on any idea yet till I discuss it with mr Ahmed. I guess i'll close this for now :P

[Z_Blitz]

So basically you're saying that Z lied...

You're accusing Z of lying...

Wow, good job, Cher, you just lost cool points.

Just to clear this up.

I interpreted what everyone had in mind. Cutting to the chase in a sense. So no, cher did not lie, she's right. I brought people's subliminal thoughts into words, "boycott the VEQ". Given however how drastic it would be to them and how inactive the Gotei is, I figured that a complete revamp should be put in order should we decide to remove these three usergroups.

I apologize to you cher for not being clearer, and I apologize to you Jaran for not being completely honest about what I did.

[Sandal Hat]

Like omg r d divisionz being punished 4 d failurez of d Sin 46?