Windows Vista

[bLeAcH-wOrLd]

Eh! The new oparating system is finally coming! We are gonna see what did microsoft did to improve XP. However i know that vista asks for 512 ram also it includes EI7. I am getting the Vista DVD before it gets released. After i see what is different i will right a review for you :D Hopefully Windows didn't do crap even though i feel like something worse than Xp is coming. Its just a feeling you know? ;I

[Lunar]

i heard of this windows vista. and i hate the name first of all.... second of all, i rather stick with old xp here ^^ im pretty confertable with xp. neways, vista its too complex....

[bLeAcH-wOrLd]

its nice to know someone believes like me. I think only huge change between two systems are gonna be the security.

[Lunar]

thats true, but might as well use a virus scaner...

[bLeAcH-wOrLd]

either way, both will take a lot of memory and slow the computer down :D I will check vista out then format my D:\\ :D

[DragonBlade]

Is Vista going to use 3D type browser/window modes?

[bLeAcH-wOrLd]

The official website: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx

[Lunar]

Is Vista going to use 3D type browser/window modes?

not really i think, its normal but u can change the angles so u fit more or some sort, or so i heard

[DragonBlade]

Lazy to look but finnaly, a Black start bar :)

[Lunar]

Lazy to look but finnaly, a Black start bar :)

oh come on, u can use style xp and do that lol

[bLeAcH-wOrLd]

I can help you install that template of vista to xp. Thats what i use. İts actually quite good! Just google it. :D

[DragonBlade]

Bleh, I hate those 3rd party programs heh. I just want a default scheme :) I have too many BG programs running

[bLeAcH-wOrLd]

oh come on, u can use style xp and do that lol
lol at the same time :D

O well. when vista comes it will take a lot of memory. I will keep going with xp until most of the things turn works only in vista. I might use wmware or virtualmachine later on or just install vista.

[Lunar]

I can help you install that template of vista to xp. Thats what i use. İts actually quite good! Just google it. :D

can u show me? im kinda interested in that ^^

[bLeAcH-wOrLd]

let me get cd in a sec

Windows Blinds: http://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/
After i get home i will upload langhorn somewhere or you can just google the temple
... Sorry this computer is too slow for upploading

[Lunar]

let me get cd in a sec

Windows Blinds: http://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/
After i get home i will upload langhorn somewhere or you can just google the temple
... Sorry this computer is too slow for upploading

never mind.. thanks a bunch bleach-world

[ban.kai]

just a dressed up xp with security fixes..

[XyperDragon]

lol..
Hey I Hope Our Computer Generation Gets to See, Surfing like Matrix/Cowboy Bepop/Ghost in the Shell.. you literally browse your way through place in a 3D enviroment ^___^ good bye flat webpages hello 3d portals lol

>__> sorry got carried away there... anyways BLACK START BAR? Where? im a dark fan.. must see this.. anyone has a screenshot of it?

Edit:
P.s.
Windows Vista... Sounds like..
Windows Visa

O: There out to get our Visa Card Pin numbers! O___O

^__^ hehe i maxed mine, so no worries there lol

[Rexanni Kyle]

I have a beta of this, and let me just say: I still like Debian more.

[Vegas Underground]

What is debian, and Vista LOOKS nice...when I say LOOKS I mean eye appeal, that dont mean it will be a solid running system. I doubt I will ever use Vista for the simple fact that this comming summer a mac will be in my posestion.

Vista has a nice look and name, alot of hype it seems to be building, oh lord its going to crash down when its released, any bet its gonna cost over 150 bones?

[Chrono Detector]

Finally grabbed a copy of Windows Vista. Sorry this bump this old thread. Well, I'm using the latest build and I'm going to give my opinions on this new Microsoft OS.

The installation didn't impress me too much. Unlike the previous NT setup, it didn't have that blue screen text intialization, if you know what I mean - which I didn't care. However, Microsoft didn't include the timer how long Windows Vista was going to be completed, which I found was disappointing. Took like 40 minutes just to install.

And Vista is still using the same old sound theme from Windows XP. I was hoping for a new sound scheme, but that doesn't matter.

The GUI is good, bit too complex, runs fine on my machine.

As for the whole operating system, its a bit complicated to use. Unlike the previous versions of Windows, they kinda modified the start menu, which is now harder to use.

I wish Microsoft would also include the video codecs integrated with Vista, you're going to have to manually install them yourself.

Not bad, I hope to see more improvements in the future builds.

[DragonBlade]

What is the requirement on Vista? 800 megs of ram? I heard the network speeds got boosted around 30%. Thats pretty awesome :D. I hope directx10 offers great graphics performance for us gamers.

[Chrono Detector]

This is what I heard:

1.5 Ghz CPU
512 MB RAM
64 MB Video RAM
10 GIG? Hard Disk Space

Which isn't too bad. I was expecting a bit more higher requirements. And Vista runs fine without too much lag on my computer.

[DragonBlade]

10 gigs? OW.

I like the idea of Vista's counter on "Mysterious Computer slowdowns" and the advance features of power management which is really really useful for my power hungry laptop :D.

[Chrono Detector]

Vista took a while to shut down, I swear, like over a minute. The startup process didn't take too long, however.

I found it annoying when you perform an action, this stupid popup window always asks you to allow or deny that action, similar like a firewall. I'm trying to find an option to disable that.

Haven't encountered any bugs yet, everything is working so far so good. If you want to try out Vista, I suggest you give it a try before buying the full product.

[blade000]

i heard the main thing about windows vista is the graphics...it uses some kind of new graphic feature where when u expand or compress a picture, the picture won't look all distorted. That and it has the 64 bit color option. because of these graphic features, your video card is actually going to be more important than your cpu or ram memory. I heard video card companies are being pressured to make much larger video ram size (512 mb and up).

[DragonBlade]

I dont think Window Vista is video hungry in terms of memory, 256 should be very efficient IMO. And to expand an image and have it not distorted/pixelated, I wish :p.

[dragoneyes001]

after reading the new features I'm not very impressed by vista its basically the same thing with a few pointless eye candy modifications.

the security looks to be second rate at best and will prove to be a bane to users because of the constant prompts. it also assumes you will get Microsoft programs to add to the security $cha-ching$

the voice recognition will continue to be unused by most who are unlikely to spend a month or more training themselves to talk like the program wants them to.

as was previously posted the new start menu is now a search slide making quick starts less likely since you need to actually find the target first.

the side bar is a pack of added processes your going to want to disable because they chew up resources unless you like big graphics programs running like you've dropped them in tar.

all in all vista looks like microsoft's answer to the "get the latest toy before the Jones's do"

it does not look to be more efficient less taxing on processing or easier to use than XP or pretty much most Os's

it better be cheap if they want it to sell.

[Chrono Detector]

Some things I didn't like about Vista:

The start menu is a pain, you have to click on some folder to expand it, unlike previous versions of Windows, it opens another menu.

Took over a minute just to shut down.

Memory hog of course.

When loading a window with files on a CD, it took like 10 seconds just to display and load all the icons... WTF?

That stupid security center keeps popping up a window when I execute a program... I mean, come on, who cares. Don't tell me this feature will be included with XP SP3.

Things I like about Vista:

Pretty GUI.

Some icons loaded a bit faster with a image, if you know what I mean.

I think when Vista loads, it didn't take too long.

Faster/Networking protocols.

Thats it I can think of.

And the boot screen is just some stupid black screen, doesn't even say "Windows Vista", just the word Microsoft Corporation, 2006 and that slider, similar to XP, and they didn't even include the Windows logo.

[dragoneyes001]

this time it really looks like windows missed the trend in computing to reduce the load so people can run the bigger more heavy programs.

even though comps are getting faster and have more memory and space this is a buyers trend to want less lag and much faster processing.

its pretty dumb of microsoft to put out an OS thats a processing hog.

their still stuck in the more toys rut instead of lean it up and make things more efficient and only add whats needed.

[DragonBlade]

this time it really looks like windows missed the trend in computing to reduce the load so people can run the bigger more heavy programs.
even though comps are getting faster and have more memory and space this is a buyers trend to want less lag and much faster processing.
its pretty dumb of microsoft to put out an OS thats a processing hog.
their still stuck in the more toys rut instead of lean it up and make things more efficient and only add whats needed.

I bet you its more efficient if its converted into XP style usage since they have rewritten the code. No one is forcing you to upgrade Vista if you cant handle its requirement.

[dragoneyes001]

I bet you its more efficient if its converted into XP style usage since they have rewritten the code. No one is forcing you to upgrade Vista if you cant handle its requirement.

lol my next box will be a 4.2 dual with 4 gig ram 1000GIG hdd not sure which GC yet though. I seriously doubt the requirements are the issue since my current box exceeds Vistas needs already.

if you can't see that making a OS a process heavy pig is a mistake don't complain when your doing something on a graphics program and it runs slower than a slug. do you seriously consider the side bar packed with gadgets (as they put it) is not a pile of background processes using up your resources?
and if you end up turning them all off just to clear processes whats the point?

try this: start up a program like adobe premieres import a video(about 5 minutes long) and add it to the time-line. now open up task manager and set it up to have 50 running processes then hit play back on premieres then go back to task manager and close processes till you have only 30 going and repeat the play back. there will be a marked difference even if your currently running 3.6 or better Vista will be adding 15-30 processes that will chew up your ability to run the real hog programs where it'll show up most is converting videos burning discs large file transfers from disc to disc ..etc...

do you really consider a slide bar to look through all your programs is faster than the 10 most used being featured on start menu?

I have enough programs to be forced to use the scroll (they will not fit in the default side by side set up) its not fast but its rare that I need to go scrolling since i use shortcuts the quick list works great for fast restarts on frequently used programs why would I consider having to slide through all the programs faster?

I'm also curious if thunder has found a way to disable the security prompts yet since those will become annoying beyond compare in the long run.

[DragonBlade]

You have to think the other side also. Many people uses the Side bar/Konfabulator/Widgets. I myself have used my friend's computer, dual monitor using Konfabulator and it pretty much did barely any harm on performance since I was playing games on one monitor and looking at random widgets on the other.

Like I said, if you dont like Vista, dont buy it. Try it out first of course before buying it like Thunder said.

[dragoneyes001]

You have to think the other side also. Many people uses the Side bar/Konfabulator/Widgets. I myself have used my friend's computer, dual monitor using Konfabulator and it pretty much did barely any harm on performance since I was playing games on one monitor and looking at random widgets on the other.

Like I said, if you dont like Vista, dont buy it. Try it out first of course before buying it like Thunder said.

like i said it'd take really putting the comp through its paces with several hog tests. games are mostly GC dependant and some memory it takes processing tests like try encoding an episode of bleach to rm from avi with all the widgets on then try again with widgets all off check the time difference.

[DragonBlade]

like i said it'd take really putting the comp through its paces with several hog tests. games are mostly GC dependant and some memory it takes processing tests like try encoding an episode of bleach to rm from avi with all the widgets on then try again with widgets all off check the time difference.

Turn off the widgets then turn them back on. I highly doubt you use your computer efficiently when encoding unless you have multicored processors. You can enjoy being on your computer while encoding a bit slower or encode faster but dont enjoy the use of a computer unless you do it overnight :D.

I dont see the point of you attacking windows. Its almost like saying - might as well Use Windows 95 Theme on XP/Vista so those skins wont bog down your computer, Disable all those fancy fading effects, etc.

Use a different OS instead of Windows if you really want to save some RAM.

[dragoneyes001]

Turn off the widgets then turn them back on. I highly doubt you use your computer efficiently when encoding unless you have multicored processors. You can enjoy being on your computer while encoding a bit slower or encode faster but dont enjoy the use of a computer unless you do it overnight :D.
I dont see the point of you attacking windows. Its almost like saying - might as well Use Windows 95 Theme on XP/Vista so those skins wont bog down your computer, Disable all those fancy fading effects, etc.
Use a different OS instead of Windows if you really want to save some RAM.

attacking windows? by saying they should have made the next generation less process heavy?

and do you actually think its normal to have to do any hog applications while you sleep because your OS is forcing you to?

what it sounds like is you want a bunch of toys and dont care if they make your comp slower and less efficient and your going to bash anyone who thinks an OS is supposed to allow the efficient and easy use of the programs they want to run without using up a good portion of the resources to do it.

and if I can have a video converted in 35 minutes instead of 1hr30 because the OS is not slowing it down I'd prefer the 35 minutes since I do a lot of conversions and huge file transfers saving 15 minutes or 30 per adds up fast.

[DragonBlade]

attacking windows? by saying they should have made the next generation less process heavy?
and do you actually think its normal to have to do any hog applications while you sleep because your OS is forcing you to?
what it sounds like is you want a bunch of toys and dont care if they make your comp slower and less efficient and your going to bash anyone who thinks an OS is supposed to allow the efficient and easy use of the programs they want to run without using up a good portion of the resources to do it.
and if I can have a video converted in 35 minutes instead of 1hr30 because the OS is not slowing it down I'd prefer the 35 minutes since I do a lot of conversions and huge file transfers saving 15 minutes or 30 per adds up fast.

Wait, are you saying you are encoding episodes/ripping/burning files while doing something on your computer during the day without the fear of corruption and wasting your time doing something else? Time is indeed important. Its best to encode during times you dont even use your computer hence Nightime when you are Sleeping.

These "toys" are optional and I never said I wanted them did I?

Right now I'm running over 50 processes and its barely doing any harm to my poor laptop. You talk about running 50 processes for encoding to see differences but that of course depends on what you are running. A better method would be how much processing power and memory you are currently using before encoding etc.

Like I said, if you dont like vista then dont use it. I highly doubt next gen OS will be even less process hungry, since technology always advances.

[Chrono Detector]

I'll be leaving the fancy and visual effects on when I get Vista. I always like a fancy desktop with appealing visual effects. Hope Microsoft offers more themes when the official thing is released. I was expecting more themes similar to the Vista/Transformation pack for XP - which wasn't there, only the Aero theme was available and you can choose what colour you want. And by starters they should allow the user to revert back to the original XP start menu, that was easier. The new start menu - arrgghhh, what a headache.

I can imagine Windows Vista will be expensive. All the previous versions of Windows were at least over $300 right? I can imagine how much the Windows Vista Ultimate Edition will cost. I'll say a price range between $400.

[dragoneyes001]

Wait, are you saying you are encoding episodes/ripping/burning files while doing something on your computer during the day without the fear of corruption and wasting your time doing something else? Time is indeed important. Its best to encode during times you dont even use your computer hence Nightime when you are Sleeping.
These "toys" are optional and I never said I wanted them did I?
Right now I'm running over 50 processes and its barely doing any harm to my poor laptop. You talk about running 50 processes for encoding to see differences but that of course depends on what you are running. A better method would be how much processing power and memory you are currently using before encoding etc.
Like I said, if you dont like vista then dont use it. I highly doubt next gen OS will be even less process hungry, since technology always advances.

certainly i encode and do other things dont you? never once had corruption.

and no I dont mean running online games.

you implied it by not only giving why you liked what you saw but by saying you would prefer them.

OK you run 50 processes. now add another 15-30 more on top of that fifty.

I can run anywhere from 29-128 processes at which point the comp just slows down too much for my liking i wont try more than 128 open processes at once this is an older comp I'd prefer not to cook it.
besides its not that you have 50 going its what becomes the standard minimum you will be forced to have if that number goes from about 26 up to 30 or 40 as the base you'll find your no longer running 50 but 60-70 and even if they are small memory users they need to be seen and recognised every time your comp does something you want it to be doing it will slow things down. so one question why did you buy a processor that's faster and more capable? I asume its to have what you want to run running faster with less lag most gamers did.

[Chrono Detector]

Just to let you know, these are the final requirements for Windows Vista:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_vista#Hardware_requirements

I was expecting higher, but I think thats alright, except that it requires 512MB of RAM is ridicilous.

[Nichigo]

There's no reason to get Vista as soon as it comes out. You're just gonna be swamped with problems/bugs and end up having to reinstall your OS. When operating systems come out, you should let them float around the market for a while to give some time for debugging. When the operating system is known to be completely stable, then get it. I think i ran Windows ME a year after XP came out before i got XP. Ya'll remember all the problems XP had back when it came out...

[Chrono Detector]

I've never had any problems with the original edition of XP. Worked brilliant for me in fact, I didn't even use any service packs or updates.