the unknown part of Zangetsu?

[T_Ichigo]

Ichigo met his hollow part (the white Ichigo) once when his zanpaktou broke into two pieces .. when Zangetsu decided to give Ichigo a second chance he got his zanpaktou back, but .. the point is what happened to " the white Ichigo" ? before he said "raise him well, soon he'll be mine" Zangetsu "sucked" him back. Is Zangetsu the one who rules "the white Ichigo" ? If Ichigo accidently lost to "the white Ichigo" what would that lead to ? would Zangetsu (the blade not the spirit) be healed ? hmmmm .. actually I've got one more very interesting thing to ask and therefore discuss it with you guys, but if I do that, I'll spoil for each others .. :redbiggri

[SumpfFuchs]

if you really want to know read the manga, it explains it all

[suckafish]

what the hell? hes already read the manga, look at his signiture. apparently this guy is just thick and cant figure out who the white ichigo is

hes ichigos hollow side

[captain_soifon]

yup it comes out wen fighting byakuya, i heard that the hollow is 20x more powerful than ichigo

[SumpfFuchs]

you know that both of you just posted spoilers that some people might get upset about?

[Polygon]

It's obvious he meant that zangestu seems to be able to control the hollow power he has........... I think...............

[T_Ichigo]

hmm did you guys read the question ? I'm wondering if Zangetsu is the one who rules "the white Ichigo", but instead of that you guys started to talk about "the white Ichigo" .. and I also wondered what would happen if Ichigo lost the the white guy and would his blade stil be healed then ? Zaraki pierced Zangetsu, remember ?? hope you guys understand now, and I think that this is not a spoiler question ? just a little discuss and opinions about an very old episode.

[masakenji]

no he does not. if ichigo is the master of zengetsu i think his other half would be too. zangetsu had being living inside ichigo for years, so i think he know ichigo can do it, also theres a big chance that the white ichigo holded back.

[scaff]

isnt this the manga section?

SPOILERS are okay.



right? :headbang:

[General Cox]

thats what i was thinking scaff :/

theres even been anime discussions about this already :p they shouldnt be in the manga section if they havent read all the manga tbh

[xanman05]

no he does not. if ichigo is the master of zengetsu i think his other half would be too. zangetsu had being living inside ichigo for years, so i think he know ichigo can do it, also theres a big chance that the white ichigo holded back.
ichigo gained the hollow inside of himself while doing the shatterd shaft with urarhara so he didn't have it his entire life, that was just his normal reiatsu

[masakenji]

i was speaking about zangetsu not the white ichigo.

[_Ink]

ok ok...i am still blurred but more so because all you people are off topic....

ok, from my view (influenced by a thread where dicuss the making and origin of a zanpakutou)
first: Zangetsu is ichigo's avatar, therefore he lives inside his head or his body (choose),
now, ichigo through the shattered shaft training attained a hybird like condition, but he none of them, therefore making him a unique position, a semi hollow shinigami, otherwise, an immature vaizard like form.
so now, after the training, ichigo separated into 2 personalities, making Zangetsu orginally as one being, becoming the centerpoint of 2 personalities.
so basically, Zangetsu does not rule "white ichigo" he just act as a neutral side.
hence, when white ichigo commented:
"you must raise him well.."
he meant as in asking Zangetsu to give Ichigo more power (of which as the blade, he meant by giving him more chances so that everytime he breaks it, he gets a new one, let him train as much as he can so he becomes stronger)
"so that he eventually will be mine..."
showing that now eventually in the later chapters, his side will take over and Pwned Byakuya, that is the vaizard form. that is the taking over.

i don't think Zangetsu owns the white ichigo more like he can be summoned at will to replace the real ichigo so that he may fight at battles where he is bound to lose out.
an example would be how ichigo fought Byakuya at the very end, just before the last move, Byakuya commented:
"so he was oving so fast and powerful just now because it wasn't him just now"
the same thing. Zangetsu may have summoned the help of the Vaizard inside to prevent his weilder from dying but obviously Zangetsu is doing for himself, as if the wielder dies physically, then Zangetsu will fail to exists. therefore, Zangetsu forges a mutual agreement with the white ichigo to work together to keep the real ichigo's body alive which meant both sides benefit.

white ichigo gets the body and Zangetsu as a vaizard or semi hollow.

Zangetsu gets to live on even when the conciuosness (i think is the wrong spelling), is dead, because white ichigo is controlling the body, henceforth, Zangetsu still exists.

of course, this agreement would mean that the body is controlled only by white ichigo to the full and Zangetsu is simply looking out for himself

(this is my theory, basically following the thread where a zanpakutou is born from a shinigami by heart, and that through this they are simply inside the wielders hearts and that they exists only when the wielder exists, otherwise, the end for both sides.)