Rukia vs. Hitsugaya...

[Anil]

I took the liberty of posting this since alot of people(namely three or four)want to have this argument

So debate away...

[masakenji]

seriously, rukia is not even a vice-captain. shes older then hitsugaya and joined earlier. hitsugaya like it or not, is layed out as the genuis of soul society. strongest ice/water soul slayer, which is represented by a dragon.

now, unless someone can tell me... which creature in myths can beat a dragon beside a god... i say rukia is weaker.

NOW!!! if you read the manga... at the last page on the right bottom corner. it says that "as the icicles falls, what would happen next?" SO THOSE THINGS ARE BLOODY ICICLES NOT PIECES OF FLESH!

EDIT: the manga actually says "with rukia's icicle cracking, what would happen next?"

[_Ink]

alright...i have my view, maybe instead of saying which is stronger, they would meet up as they fight and then they do a super combine move and then with the powerful ice freezes all arrankaru to the freezer box....and then stripping them naked into penguins...

[Ritam]

were the hell did that come from??

i agree with masakenji...Rukia is the weaker one... if Rukia fought (with swords) with Hitsugaya, Rukia wud totally die!!

[_Ink]

nah just playing around with a fan fic....there is one already regarding this....

if they fought by technique of using swords and see who is better, i say hitsugaya will win (the fight with GIN proves that he has a lot more skill in sword handling) as for the part else, i say Rukia will have to use a little bit more effort in fighting Hitsugaya, cause i really don't think she knows shunpo...all captains do....she doesnt that puts her at a disadvantage

[masakenji]

everyone who is weaker is at a disadvantage. heck if you want disadvantage, hitsugaya entered soul society after rukia.

[General Cox]

rukia would lose, its so obvious the topic is made silly by it :p

rukia = shi kai

hitsugaya = ban kai

nuf said ^_^

[masakenji]

its like stepping on an ant.

[DarkSaber]

were the hell did that come from??

i agree with masakenji...Rukia is the weaker one... if Rukia fought (with swords) with Hitsugaya, Rukia wud totally die!!

OMAE! I don't like you...meany I so called this thread first..T_T anyway you are right about that one Ritam. For sure Rukia would lose no offence to her or anything but he's kinda weak. Hitsugaya would totally win. It's not even a challenge really.

[Hits]

hitsugaya has the strongest ice sword...it would so totally pwn rukia's. this thread is so weird, you are just waiting for ppl to state the obvious. :P

[ban.kai]

rukia would totally get pwnt
shes shouldnt be the level of a captain for sure
vice captain is a MAYBE even then.. theres a reason a vice captain is under a captain..

[masakenji]

man, it wouldnt even be a fight but a slaughter.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

Also, it is stated that Hitsugaya's got the strongest ice Zanpakutou in SS....

On top of that, Hitsugaya is a "genious", which makes me think he should be a much better fighter than Rukia.

[Raikaze]

what exactly is the point in this thread its a proven in every way that hitsugaya has the advantage unless you count the height and she isnt that much taller

[captain_soifon]

rukia struggle against a simple hollow at the start.. hitsugaya is a genius he became a captain wen hinimori only became a vc and she started b4 him ^^

[Anil]

what exactly is the point in this thread its a proven in every way that hitsugaya has the advantage unless you count the height and she isnt that much taller


lol...

the point was to get people to stop posting about this in my "Rukia's Bankai"
thread before I went crazy from exasperation... Here they can feel free to state the obvious as much as they like...

I'm sorry but it was driving me nuts...

[captain_soifon]

your thread seemed boring i didnt bother looking at it ^^ they better not make rukia rigged like ichigo

[masakenji]

hitsugaya will kill rukia 10 times before she hit the ground.

[Captain BenZ]

Orihime would kill Rukia.

I've stated the obvious.

[Millions]

Its like throwing someone into battle with a phone vs 10 people with guns... granted this is a anime and that phone might transform into a monster... even then rukia would still lose.

[MooL]

its like stepping on an ant.

You mean like stepping on a mean-looking white-haired ant, right?

C'mon. Rukia's way too stubborn to get killed that way. Plus, there is an empty Vice-captain seat. Maybe Big Brother Byakuya'll cut Rukia some slack. XD

Considering that Rukia's zanpaku-to is a WIND AND SNOW type, not Water and Ice [like somebody else], I think there could be some serious competition. Like a afterschool showdown in a Soul Society back alley somewhere.. maybe after they finish up Aizen and the Arrancars [doesn't that sound like a trashy garage band name?].

I could see it. So, as much as I love Hitsugaya, I vote: Rukia.


Just to be difficult. <3

[SumpfFuchs]

you cant compare the two, rukia's sword is snow/ice, hitsugaya's sword is ice/water

[Hits]

you cant compare the two, rukia's sword is snow/ice, hitsugaya's sword is ice/water
technically, we probably can't. but since they are so similar to each other elementally, we are bound to compare.

[Miriya]

Okay, since I read though the first couple of posts, here is my opinion:

There is a possibility that Rukia maybe stronger than anyone thinks - this has to do with the whole Hougyoku theory (did I even spell that right?!) that I read about a while ago.

On the other hand, she hasn't had much of a chance to develop her skills because of not being able to get higher up into the 13th squad. Histugaya, a fact that has been stated many times, is the so-called genius that appears every century and by Kubo's own words, has the strongest ice/water zanpaku-to. Then again, Kubo has been known to screw around with our heads. *Cough*5th Division...

No one saw that coming at all. I didn't!

[Z_Blitz]

Hitsugaya would win... Why? I quote Kira " This is Hyourinmaru... The MOST powerful Ice-Water Zanpakuto in the soul society..." so to end this discussion... Hitsugaya has a 110% chance of winning... No way can Rukia even win...

[red_dragone]

As stated above, Rukia's zanpakuto is a snow/ice type, so hitsugaya may have the most pwning ice/water type but Rukia may likewise be the most powerful snow/ice type

Since it's implied Rukia's always shikai, that means Rukia has had 40 years to improve since then. Didn't Byakuka say that it takes approx. 100 years to obtain bankai? If she's just a 'little' bit more talented than average then she's probably about where Renji was when achieved bankai in the SS arc

Under pressure, I predict Rukia will whip out an awesome bankai and pwn everyone with icy/snow wrath

[Hits]

i thought it was 10 years to obtain bankai. :S

[Z_Blitz]

It is 10 years... Don't know where the 100 came from though...

[Zangetsu Tensa]

This is a foolish debate. It's explicitly stated that Hitsugaya has the most powerful ice-based soul slayer. Rukia's is just the prettiest. His shikai is powerful enough to control the weather, and his bankai is frigging enormous. In order to maintain forms that big, Hitsugaya's spirit force would have to be absolutely massive. Hitsugaya is of captain rank, while Rukia, Byakuya's interference aside, isn't even a seated officer.

There's simply no competition. Hell, Rukia got beaten by a run-of-the-mill hollow in the first episode.

[SmallKid57]

eh...hitsugaya will kill rukia 1000 times over b4 she touched a wisp of his hair. one thing ppl dont understand is hitsugaya has BANKAI and rukia only has shikai. hitsugaya is CAPTAIN, rukia is around vice captain. hitsugaya has the strongest ice/water sword.

i think some ppl are kinda... light in the head...

[Hits]

Yes. Their shikais can be compared because they DO have a lot of things in common, more then any other shikais. They both have ice powers so yes, hitsugaya will own. Even if she is at VC level, we've seen that there is an enormous power difference between a VC and a captain.

[Fariswheel]

If Hitsugaya walked into her ice circle then the battle would be over, and we just do not know enough about Rukia, she was also supposed to be a legend at SS for her abilities, so I think that it would be very close. For all we know she could have Bankia. So it would be best to simply compare the two shikia's and then it becomes very even, one with a fricken huge dragon the other with a you walk into my circle of control and you die ability.

[Pipp-ORK]

I agree with MooL. Rukia is probably much more powerful than Kubo's letting on. (Either that, or she actually IS really crappy. >_>) I think she's gonna pull one on us, and really, we haven't seen enough of Rukia to actually confirm who'd win in a fight. So for now I'll stick with Rukia.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

The only argument anyone has to support Rukia here is that "OMG SHE MITE BE STRONGR THN SHE SEEMZ!"

I dare anyone here to answer this question then:

Why did Rukia lose to the hollow in the first episode? For anyone who can hold a candle to a captain, smoking that hollow would've been easier than lifting a finger, yet she gets so beaten up that she has to transfer her powers to Ichigo. Captains "don't break a sweat" taking down Menos Grande, let alone some common hollow.

Additionally, in the Kaien flashback she's seen telling Byakuya that for someone as weak as her, it would be impossible to gain seated rank upon immedeately joining a squad.

Rukia and Hitsugaya are on such different levels that it's just rediculous to even compare them.

[red_dragone]

Seeing someone who looks exactly like a guy she admired and killed is kind of distracting. Especially when they insist upon fighting a hollow you're trying to kill. Especially if you have to perform a diving save. Byakuya took a nice licking when he blocked the attack that would have killed Rukia in the SS arc. Though I'm sure he would have destroyed it if he had time to be cool and collected

Rukia seems to have always had self worth issues. I'm sure she never suspected Byakuya would hold her back in rank and rather be all zaraki and like, 'i will kill them all and prove myself', she assumed she was a weakling.

[omfgman]

meh... dont think rukia achieved bankai yet thus their maxium potentials would be different... nuff said

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Seeing someone who looks exactly like a guy she admired and killed is kind of distracting. Especially when they insist upon fighting a hollow you're trying to kill. Especially if you have to perform a diving save.
All these points are null and void considering the manifest EASE with which a captain can kill a hollow. The very fact that Rukia had to perform a diving save shows how weak she is in comparison. A captain like Hitsugaya, even at one-fifth power (what all lieutenants and captains are regulated to while in the human world), would be fast enough to slaughter the hollow so that you'd never even see him do it - as witnessed when Byakuya showed up. A captain can literally wave his hand and the hollow would drop dead. The fact that Rukia was even using a zanpaku-to is also revealing; captains are able to take down huge hollows bare handed.

Byakuya took a nice licking when he blocked the attack that would have killed Rukia in the SS arc.
I don't know what you're trying to say here...that when taking a direct hit from another captain's shikai, and after being beaten up by Bankai Ichigo, Byakuya required medical attention? This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

[Fariswheel]

Actually Byakuya's wound has quite a lot to do with this. If he, one of the strongest captains, took a wound when not having thetime to think then it is completely explainable that Rukia took the same wound to save thelook alike of her dead friend. It was not so much Rukia losing, but her diving to save Ichaigo's life.

[ChansteR]

Like everyone has said, Hitsugaya has the strongest Ice-Water elemental type Zanpakutou and since its the strongest, it is stronger than Rukia's zanpakutou and Hitsugaya is a captain. As for Rukia with bankai, that hasnt been stated or anything so dont use that against Rukia.

[Fariswheel]

Like everyone has said, Hitsugaya has the strongest Ice-Water elemental type Zanpakutou and since its the strongest, it is stronger than Rukia's zanpakutou and Hitsugaya is a captain. As for Rukia with bankai, that hasnt been stated or anything so dont use that against Rukia.

Rukia's is ice/snow not ice/water so its completely different, and we have never seen Hitsugaya's Bankai used, just summoned so we don't know how powerful it is either, so the only thing to weigh would be the Shikias, in which Rukia would win if Hisugaya went into the circle, but Hitsugaya might win otherwise, we don't know enough about the other abilities of RUkia's sword.

[the454casull]

All these points are null and void considering the manifest EASE with which a captain can kill a hollow. The very fact that Rukia had to perform a diving save shows how weak she is in comparison. A captain like Hitsugaya, even at one-fifth power (what all lieutenants and captains are regulated to while in the human world), would be fast enough to slaughter the hollow so that you'd never even see him do it - as witnessed when Byakuya showed up. A captain can literally wave his hand and the hollow would drop dead. The fact that Rukia was even using a zanpaku-to is also revealing; captains are able to take down huge hollows bare handed.


I don't know what you're trying to say here...that when taking a direct hit from another captain's shikai, and after being beaten up by Bankai Ichigo, Byakuya required medical attention? This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
Ok, it would seem you have run out of actual good points to make after having yours beaten to some extent. I'm not saying your COMPLETELY wrong, but there's no need to over exagerate so much. Yes, a captain CAN kill a hollow bare handed, in SS, by Aizen, who seems to be FAR stronger than most captains. Now, I don't know where you heard/read/saw ANYONE kill a hollow simply by waving his hand, but I'd like to see that if you can provide some actual proof of it. Now, I think your missing the point of what some are trying to say about the Rukia jumping in the way thing, let me see if I can help. ok, for starters, She was already thrown for a loop when she realized how strong Ichigo was, so her mind was occupied to begin with.secondly, Ichigo broke free of her binding spell, a nearly IMPOSSIBLE feat for a human, then threw himself in the hollow's way in an attempt to save his family. Rukia, so confused by everything she's seen, realizes at almost the last second what's going on,and, being charged with the protection of the area and it's inhabitants, tries to save Ichigo and jumps in the way at the last possible second, and takes the hit. most likely, this would happen to almost anyone, wether they were a basic soldier or a captain, having litteraly less than a second to react. Also, you've got to remember that Rukia has had time to do some training between the time Ichigo leaces SS, and the time she arrives at his school.


There's no need to get so mad about it, just try to think objectively. there stil hasn't been enough Character development for Rukia's shinigami self to honestly say whether or not she would be beaten as a fact.We've only seen the bare minimum of her abilities, one release and one attack. Also, it was only stated that Rukia could have been seated, they never said what seat. everyone is assuming her limit would be VC, but you never know, she might be stronger than that, then again she might not. so I'd wait and see how her character develops before I started getting mad about it.

If it makes you mad, I do apoligize, but you should really try and keep a cool head, things are much easier that way.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Ok, it would seem you have run out of actual good points to make after having yours beaten to some extent.
Uh, no.

I'm not saying your COMPLETELY wrong, but there's no need to over exagerate so much. Yes, a captain CAN kill a hollow bare handed, in SS, by Aizen, who seems to be FAR stronger than most captains.
Keep in mind that that was when he was still "acting". His true strength shocks everyone in Soul Society, suggesting that all of his prior public actions are the norm among captains.

Now, I don't know where you heard/read/saw ANYONE kill a hollow simply by waving his hand, but I'd like to see that if you can provide some actual proof of it.
I was referring to the use of spells. Many appear to be nonverbal, requiring only brief hand gestures to cause relatively vast annihilation.

Now, I think your missing the point of what some are trying to say about the Rukia jumping in the way thing, let me see if I can help. ok, for starters, She was already thrown for a loop when she realized how strong Ichigo was, so her mind was occupied to begin with.secondly, Ichigo broke free of her binding spell, a nearly IMPOSSIBLE feat for a human, then threw himself in the hollow's way in an attempt to save his family. Rukia, so confused by everything she's seen, realizes at almost the last second what's going on,and, being charged with the protection of the area and it's inhabitants, tries to save Ichigo and jumps in the way at the last possible second, and takes the hit. most likely, this would happen to almost anyone, wether they were a basic soldier or a captain, having litteraly less than a second to react. Also, you've got to remember that Rukia has had time to do some training between the time Ichigo leaces SS, and the time she arrives at his school.
I don't need an explaination. Captains CAN react in less than a second - look at Ichigo's first encounter with Byakuya. Additionally, in the manga Hitsugaya is able to unleash his bankai instantly, before even saying "bankai". The power difference here we're talking about is massive.

There's no need to get so mad about it, just try to think objectively. there stil hasn't been enough Character development for Rukia's shinigami self to honestly say whether or not she would be beaten as a fact.
I'm not mad, I'm just an aggressive debater. In any case the fact remains that under no circumstances would a captain lose to a hollow as minor as the one that Rukia was defeated by, no matter what distractions existed at the time. Hell, in all likelihood a hollow like that would probably have a tough time even damaging a captain. Ichigo 2.0 wasn't able to cut Zaraki until well into their fight.

And another thing, Rukia was put out of commission by a bite to the shoulder. This should be a relatively minor injury, and yet it alone is enough to put her down. Tousen, regarded by many to be a relatively weak captain, sustained multiple, massive slashes across the chest at the hands of Zaraki and didn't go down. Byakuya took all sorts of horrendous damage from Bankai Ichigo and still fought back fiercely. And let's not even get into the abuse that Zaraki is able to handle.

[the454casull]

ok, you've made your point MUCH more clear to me, thank you. I can see that this debate is gonna be more fun than I thought (I like to argue :D). in the beginning , though, Rukia being taken down by a single bite was imperitive to the story's development, I know, that probably seems like a BS answer, but you do have to take it into consideration. Also, you've gotta remember that Kubo sensei apparently loves big twists. That, most likely, combined with his main audience's dislike of the idea of Rukia not making a comeback in a useful role, will probably result in Rukia developing into a fairly strong/ useful character.

On a lighter note, I gotta say you've erned my respect, I hope we get many more chances to debate like this.

[Hits]

Rukia's is ice/snow not ice/water so its completely different, and we have never seen Hitsugaya's Bankai used, just summoned so we don't know how powerful it is either, so the only thing to weigh would be the Shikias, in which Rukia would win if Hisugaya went into the circle, but Hitsugaya might win otherwise, we don't know enough about the other abilities of RUkia's sword.
Ok, enough with the "They are completely different" thing. They both have ice powers and thats that. This isn't some rocket science book, they can't get so technical into saying that "Rukia has some snow powers and Hitsugaya has some water powers in their zanpakuto so they are completely different." No, that just seems rediculous. And I don't think my opinions are biased just because I am a hitsugaya fan. I am simply thinking with logic. We have seen Hitsugaya, other captains and even VC that were put into moral situations, most even worse then what Rukia was in. They all showed a considerable ammount of power, maybe not their full power but still enough to at least fight. Rukia just froze. During her encounter with Ichigo, the reason she lack performance but might've been because of Ichigo's reaistu. But Hitsugaya fought against Gin, who must've had a higher power then Ichigo at the time. And another thing. It just doesn't seem very logical for Rukia to have such a sudden power spike. That just seems way too cliche for bleach to do.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

ok, you've made your point MUCH more clear to me, thank you. I can see that this debate is gonna be more fun than I thought (I like to argue :D). in the beginning , though, Rukia being taken down by a single bite was imperitive to the story's development, I know, that probably seems like a BS answer, but you do have to take it into consideration.
It's official material, regardless of whatever motives went into its design. If they really wanted, they could've had Rukia mauled worse than she got, but they opted to have her sustain a relatively minor shoulder injury, which says plenty about her alleged power.

lso, you've gotta remember that Kubo sensei apparently loves big twists. That, most likely, combined with his main audience's dislike of the idea of Rukia not making a comeback in a useful role, will probably result in Rukia developing into a fairly strong/ useful character.
If that happens, and I'll fully admit that it might, I'll recognize her power then and I'll be prepared to compare her to Hitsugaya. At the moment, however, with all that we've seen, they are on two completely different levels and to even compare them is to insult Hitsugaya.

On a lighter note, I gotta say you've erned my respect, I hope we get many more chances to debate like this.
I don't debate for the sake of debating, but we'll see.

[the454casull]

Well, all else aside, I do get the point of your argument, Rukia wold get her ass handed to her if she fought with Hitsugaya, I gotta agree at this point. I was just trying to point out some holes in your explaination of why she would (for those out there who read it like I did). I'd say that in the end you covered everything pretty thouroghly. I also hope you didn't misunderstand me when I said that I hoped to debate with you more, I didn't really mean that I JUST want to debate with you (although, you are fun to debate with), I wouldn't mind a little idle chat and actually having an agreeable conversation with you either. you seem to know your stuff pretty well, and I would like to call you a friend.

Again, I hope you didn't take anything I said the wrong way. Later!

[Sgt.Reaper]

The differens with the hit Byakuya took against Gin and the one Rukia took is the strenght of the nemy and the condition they where in.
Byakuya had just recieved a lot of damage fighting Ichigo, while Rukia hadent recived a srcatch. Also Byakuya faced another Captain while Rukia faced a mere lowlevel hollow.

Therefor these two situations cant be compared.

Rukia cant win against Hitsugaya if he dont underrestimates her greatly or makes a huge mistake. Rukia would definetly loose.

[Fariswheel]

I repeat that we don't know enough of her abilities to make a fair judgement, and Rukia taking out a Arakar in one hit without being injured should even out with her defeat in Episode 1. The situations were different enough to prove that she would have a chance. And if you say that because the situations were completely different between Rukia and her brother, I would say thats not true. He may be injured, but Rukia would be startled by the apperance of Ichiago, his power, and would have no choice but to throw her self in the way. And Hitsugaya has taken not injuries greater than Rukia's in episode one, so the could both lose easily. And the Ice/water and Ice/snow debate only proves that Hitsugaya would not be automatically stronger as everyone seems to suggest.

[the454casull]

While I'd have to agree with you on that first point, I don't see how it relates to her having a chance against Dee Roy. if I had to guess, I'd say that while she might have had her shikai from the start, she probably wasn't half as strong as she is now. I think she probably got some training from Byakuya and/or Renji sometime betwwen the time Ichigo left and the time she makes her comeback. As for the Zanpaku-to argument, while I don't believe they can be grouped in the same category, I also don't believe that they are completely different. Fariswheel, I'm not trying to offend you, but your post is kinda hard to understand you by the end of the paragraph.

[ban.kai]

the rest of the arrancars said that dee roy was a weak ass arrancar.. barely should be considered one

[the454casull]

none the less, Rukia proved that she wasn't completely useless anymore with that one attack. Actually, thinking back, did anyone notice the fact that she really didn't seem worried throughout the fight with Dee Roy? She obviously knew what she was up against, considering she most likely has a fairly honed ability to sense reiatsu levels. She knew that Dee Roy was weak, which is probably why she stepped in for Ichigo in the first place, because it would be a waste of energy for Ichigo to take on the weakest one when he should be fighting the stronger ones.
Wow, all that just came to me as I was typing........Weird.

[silverwolf801]

This is not even an argument, there is no point to this thread we all know who is going to win without giving it a second thought come on. I am so shocked that you tried to compare someone so weak against someone so strong.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Actually, thinking back, did anyone notice the fact that she really didn't seem worried throughout the fight with Dee Roy? She obviously knew what she was up against, considering she most likely has a fairly honed ability to sense reiatsu levels. She knew that Dee Roy was weak, which is probably why she stepped in for Ichigo in the first place, because it would be a waste of energy for Ichigo to take on the weakest one when he should be fighting the stronger ones.
I agree that she sensed that Dee Roy was weak, which was why she was willing to step in Ichigo's stead. That only further supports the idea that she's not on the level of captains. However, I disagree about her motives. If she wanted Ichigo to be fighting the stronger Arrancar she wouldn't have had Pyon hold him down - she would've asked him to go after the others.

[the454casull]

Do you honestly know the full extent of Rukia's abilities? I think this thread needs to wait until we see more of her abilities, then we can have a clear victor, until then, there's really no true right answer.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

I think we've all agreed that, based on what we've seen thus far, Rukia cannot come close to matching Hitsugaya in power.

That may or may not change in the future.

[the454casull]

oh, ok, we're going by what we've seen up to this point. Then yeah, Rukia would get owned.
Also, Rukia actually asked Pyon to escort Ichigo away from the fight, if I'm not mistaken, Pyon took it upon ...his......her.....(???) self to tackle and pin, and, actually put Ichigo into a submission hold.

[silverwolf801]

look rukia is lucky if she can even beat a 5th seat shinigami ok she is just to weak.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

look rukia is lucky if she can even beat a 5th seat shinigami ok she is just to weak.
While I agree that Hitsugaya would ker-pwn her, I would NOT go so far as to call her "weak". I think that she is actually a pretty strong shinigami, in my opinion probably a 3rd seat-level.

[silverwolf801]

At this current moment she still doesn't have all of her power back so I wouldn't say 3rd seat

[omfgman]

lol rukia is good enough to be vice captain... only thing is taht ukitake hasnt gotten over kaien, and i doubt rukia would want to take his place

[silverwolf801]

what VICE CAPTAIN now you are getting carried away.

[Hits]

lol rukia is good enough to be vice captain... only thing is taht ukitake hasnt gotten over kaien, and i doubt rukia would want to take his place
how do you know that she is good enough to be vice captain? speculations.....

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

How can we say VC level after one move?

Also, how do you know that she has not gained back all of her powers?

[Pipp-ORK]

Seriously, we've hardly seen Rukia fight up to this point. For all we know, Kubo might give her some weird-ass powers that'll kick the ass of anyone is Soul Society. He might even turn her into a wrestling porcupine, we can't say for sure. If you WERE going to base it on what we've seen (as you all HAVE), Hitsugaya would win, without a doubt. However, we've seen very little of Rukia, so it's still unfair to judge. I don't think Kubo would make Rukia as disgustingly weak as she seems.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

If you WERE going to base it on what we've seen (as you all HAVE).
The reason we do is because to do anything else is to invent material ourselves. If we admit such things into evidence, one could argue that Soul Society will eventually become invaded by flying pink half-shinigami half-porcupine pirates.

[ChansteR]

Well, I dont see how anyone would think Rukia would beat Hitsugaya ever. Also even if she did have all her powers back, I dont think she would be at VC level but as stated in the manga, she is powerful enough to be seated.

[Pipp-ORK]

The reason we do is because to do anything else is to invent material ourselves. If we admit such things into evidence, one could argue that Soul Society will eventually become invaded by flying pink half-shinigami half-porcupine pirates.
Therefore, determining who'd win in a fight would also be based on speculation, and not fact. So really, this thread is pointless, and why are we posting about it? We'd never really know unless they DID fight each other (which is highly unlikely), so we can't really say anything edgewise. As I already stated, if Rukia was as powerful as she's seen to be, then Hitsugaya would kick her ass, without any trouble whatsoever. I just said that by the time we have enough evidence to back up our answers fully, Rukia could be incredibly strong. As of now, we have no way of knowing.

[ChansteR]

That is true and that Hitsugaya is at captain level, I very much doubt Rukia could beat Hitsugaya even with all her powers

[the454casull]

I must say that I find it humorous that after almost every post explaining why it's still not right to speculate with any certainty, and stating, very clearly mind you, that at THIS POINT Rukia would get her ass kicked, there has been at least one or two more following in which someone decides that they just have to say that Rukia is never gonna be at VC level, or that Rukia would be beaten by Hitsugaya, ect. so far the only people who have actually made original and non obvious posts are Pipp-ORK an Zangetsu Tensa. Keep up the good work guys.

[Fariswheel]

I still say it could go either way. If hitsugaya steped into Rukia's circle of control then the battle would be over. I think that its funny that a good portion of the people are saying things that are completely pointless. Its even funnier that everyone is igoring them aside from saying what they said is pointless. Ans the pink half-porcupine pirates are not speculation they are clearly mentioned in episode 34.


(Ihope that nobody actually checks episode 34.)

[the454casull]

You do have a point Fariswheel, not to metion that that is the only attack we've seen her use, and we also don't know what attacks hyouninmaru has in bankai form.


anyway, it's kinda pointless to keep arguing about it.

[Fariswheel]

Your sig isn't actually Ichiago's bankia I think.

And yes it is pointless, but I almost guarantee you that some one will keep argueing despite the fact that its impossible to know.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Your sig isn't actually Ichiago's bankia I think.
It is. It's from here (http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4984).

[Fariswheel]

From the Manga I get the image that he can use that ability at all times even when in shikai, and his bankai is not an attack but just a different form.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

From the Manga I get the image that he can use that ability at all times even when in shikai, and his bankai is not an attack but just a different form.
Did you even click the link and watch the video? That is not an attack, that's his bankai transformation.

[Fariswheel]

Did you even click the link and watch the video? That is not an attack, that's his bankai transformation.

Yes, I did, but that just looks like him useing his sprit power to start a fire like he did in episode 57. You might be right, but I don't think you are.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Prepare to admit that you're wrong.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9655/162064fg.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/87/162095jj.jpg

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/5755/16210111ka.jpg
End of story.

[Fariswheel]

Actually though, the blue light doesn't appear. Not end of story.

I had looked at the manga before posting.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

You forgot to check issue 193.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8476/16zv2.png
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4276/24xm.png
If that doesn't convince you, nothing will, and I won't bother trying.

[Fariswheel]

I suppose your right. I give up. I suppose we will just find out eventually and I'll gloat if your wrong...

[Sandal Hat]

1.) That is Ichigo's bankai transformation

2.) We can all agree that the highest rank Rukia can be at is VC without pushing it too far

3.) We all know there is a major gap in spiritual pressure from VC to Captain

4.) We all know that bankai increases your spiritual pressure from 5-10 times its normal amount

5.) Hitsugaya is a prodigy

So therefore Hitsugaya>Rukia without inventing new material

[Fariswheel]

I was right that people would continue to argue.

And no I dont agree.

1) Alright, I was wrong.

2)All Rukia would have to do is get Hitsugaya to go intoher circle, and he moves around enough to do that.

3)Ok, irrelevent, we haven't seen much of Hitsugaya aside from the Gin fight.

4)Ok, but we haven't seen Hitsugaya's Bankai in action so it would be new material.

5)Ok, Rukia is too, this was mentioned in either 8 or nine i think.

So all in all it would be up to doubt. Even without new material.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Really, this debate has stretched on longer than it should have. Rukia was defeated by a normal, plain hollow after being bitten once in the shoulder - that alone should end any discussion.

[Fariswheel]

Yes, but she defeated an aranukar in one hit and there were extunating circumstances. We have argued this for quite some time no one will give in.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Yes, but she defeated an aranukar in one hit and there were extunating circumstances.
All this proves is that she has enough attack power to take down a significantly weak arrancar with her shikai. Being mauled by a plain hollow is just embaressing, no matter what "extenuating circumstances" existed at the time. No captain, Hitsugaya included, can be compared to Rukia - especially considering that Hitsugaya is the only captain we've seen thus far that is able to unleash his bankai instantly.

We have argued this for quite some time no one will give in.
A few people have, actually. This argument will go on until only the absolute die-hards are left on Rukia's side.

[Fariswheel]

Just out of curiosity, who? I hadn't thought anyone had. The only changes I had thought occured were people who agreed that it would be impossible to tell.

And I think that the circumstanes of the first episode were excuseable look at my early responce to when you said this.

[Sandal Hat]

1.) He could move out of the circle, he's not dumb and weak like D Roy.

2.)Nowhere did i say what Hitsugaya would do with his bankai. His abilities with it would no doubt render rukia helpless but I left them out. I said that bankai increases your Reiatsu from 5-10 times the normal amount which means his power would be in another league compared to rukia, who is already at a lower level of reiatsu than Hitsugaya.(ex Zaraki vs Ichigo)

3.) You seem to forget that Byakuya held rukia back from being seated because of the danger. If she was strong enough to fight on the same level as a Captain (maybe VC, but i'm being nice) then Byakuya wouldn't have held her back.

4.) Hitsugaya has trained 10 years with his bankai. I doubt he would lose to rukia who only has a shikai

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Just out of curiosity, who? I hadn't thought anyone had. The only changes I had thought occured were people who agreed that it would be impossible to tell.

And I think that the circumstanes of the first episode were excuseable look at my early responce to when you said this.
the454casull conceded, I believe.

And I've shown that the circumstances of the first episode were inexcusable for anyone who had enough power to match a captain. Go back and look at my response to yours.

[Fariswheel]

1) His shikia seems dependent on him moving, I could be wrong, but he might go into the circle if he didn't know here shikai.

2)I thought that the increase only occured when you used the bankia. Is that right? THe 10x improvement for Ichiago seemed to occur once he used it. And Rukia's ability seems to be stategic, if you step into the circle then she wins kind of thing. If you are completely frozen, it wouldn't matter whose stronger.

3) Thats opinion, I think that it would have occured no matter how strong she was, her brother promised to protect her no matter what.

4) It wouldn't matter if Hitsugaya had trained far that long if he didn't use it. And who said he had it for ten years.


I did think he did not agreed with you he said that it would be hard to tell and was tired of argueing. And I went back and looked and I didn't think that your arguments were right.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

I did think he did not agreed with you he said that it would be hard to tell and was tired of argueing. And I went back and looked and I didn't think that your arguments were right.
Quote which arguments you disagree with and we'll continue from there.

[jonat3]

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I just entered a thread i think was rather obvious, but it didn't seem to die, so i entered anyway.

We are actually arguing here that rukia is stronger than Hitsugaya? Who's the one that's claiming this madness?

[Zangetsu Tensa]

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I just entered a thread i think was rather obvious, but it didn't seem to die, so i entered anyway.

We are actually arguing here that rukia is stronger than Hitsugaya? Who's the one that's claiming this madness?
At the moment, Fariswheel stands alone.

[Sandal Hat]

Lets say he steps in the circle and he gets hit, his bankai form would give him a giant increase in reiatsu and give would more than likely survive. Hitsugaya's Reiatsu (from the increase he gets while in bankai) will even make it hard for Rukia to stand up and fight well

It is stated in the manga that Byakuya held rukia back from getting the seats because of the dangers involved.

I meant that Hitsugaya has trained for 10 years to get his bankai which would means he would know how to strategize and use it in a fight. Also, don't forget Hitsugaya's speed and that he controls ice which means he could easily brake out of it even if he gets hit.(hitsugaya dodge Ichimaru's sword from point blank,the sword was right in front of his eye when he dodged).

Also, where is it stated that Rukia is a prodigy?

[Fariswheel]

Too many people posting for me to kepp reasponding...

1)I thought that you said he wasn't using Bankai.

2)I agree, I think that he would have held her back regardless of her strength.

3)I don't think he would control her ice, and I don't believe he could doge and attact that was enveloping.

4) episode 8, "Back at the Central Spirt Institute, the name Kuchiki Rukia was famous." not quite prodigy, but I think that its close enough to be similar.

[Sandal Hat]

Byakuya is famous
Ichigo is famous(now)
Urahara is famous
Yoruichi is famous
Zaraki is famous
Lots and lots of ppl are famous but not prodigies

Also, I was not taking into account the new abilites Hitsugaya would obtain when he used bankai because we haven't seen them yet. Ofcourse, you can tell by looking at it that he can more than likely can fly so he could use that to his advantage

[jonat3]

Look, no need to argue about this. Hitsugaya is a captain and he possesses bankai. Unless rukia also has bankai, she stands no chance against Hitsugaya. Hitsugaya wouldn't even need bankai, cause the spiritual pressure between a captain and a vc level shinigami is too far apart.

[Fariswheel]

All the people that you mention as famous are also quite powerful and would argueably have a chance at beating Hitsugaya.

Don't include things that he hasn't used yet, because I, at least, think that Rukia would hae more abilitys if its first dance, white moon, would imply that she has more.

And just to be off topic sort of, All she would have to do is say help and then both Ichiago and Renji would come running to help her.

Also Zenegtsu, I think that the captains would not fall to a hollow arguement isn't true. Already gave reasons why its wasn't.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

4) episode 8, "Back at the Central Spirt Institute, the name Kuchiki Rukia was famous." not quite prodigy, but I think that its close enough to be similar.
That is exploititively out-of-context. In that episode, it's says that the name Kuchiki Ruki was famous because she was a girl from Rukongai that got adopted as the Kuchiki clan princess, not because of her abilities.

[Fariswheel]

Look, no need to argue about this. Hitsugaya is a captain and he possesses bankai. Unless rukia also has bankai, she stands no chance against Hitsugaya. Hitsugaya wouldn't even need bankai, cause the spiritual pressure between a captain and a vc level shinigami is too far apart.


No offence but that has already been hashed over.

That is exploititively out-of-context. In that episode, it's says that the name Kuchiki Ruki was famous because she was a girl from Rukongai that got adopted as the Kuchiki clan princess, not because of her abilities.

Yeah, but at least the guy who said that seemed to think that it was because of her abilities.

[Sandal Hat]

All the people that you mention as famous are also quite powerful and would argueably have a chance at beating Hitsugaya.

Don't include things that he hasn't used yet, because I, at least, think that Rukia would hae more abilitys if its first dance, white moon, would imply that she has more.
Ofcourse those guyz could stand a chance at beating Hitsugaya THEY ARE ALL AT CAPTAIN LEVEL and all of them have BANKAI (not sure about yoruichi, thats another thread)

Also, I didn't include abilities because we haven't seen them yet. I was stating the obvious because Hitsugaya has wings

Edit: She was adopted into the Kuchiki Clan because her sister was Byakuya's wife

[Zangetsu Tensa]

When two spirit forces butt heads, the force that pushes harder will come away unscathed, while the force that pushes less will be damaged. That's the universal law of reiatsu as explained in Ichigo's fight against Zaraki.

Ichigo when he first becomes a shinigami is able to promptly trounce the hollow that defeated Rukia. But Ichigo 2.0 is unable to cut through Zaraki's unconciously leaked reiatsu.

Hollows are spiritual beings. A hollow as manifestly pathetic as the one that mauled Rukia can't hope to injure someone with as concentrated reiatsu as Hitsugaya Toshirou, who is able to create and maintain such massive shikai and bankai forms from his excess spirit force.

Yeah, but at least the guy who said that seemed to think that it was because of her abilities.
No, no, no. Nowhere is this said. You just got caught trying to exploit an out-of-context quote, stand down now before you embaress yourself further.

[Fariswheel]

Ofcourse those guyz could stand a chance at beating Hitsugaya THEY ARE ALL AT CAPTAIN LEVEL and all of them have BANKAI (not sure about yoruichi, thats another thread)

Also, I didn't include abilities because we haven't seen them yet. I was stating the obvious because Hitsugaya has wings

Edit: She was adopted into the Kuchiki Clan because her sister was Byakuya's wife


Yes, I know that , but the guy in episode 8 did not.

The wings are probable just to look cool.

When two spirit forces butt heads, the force that pushes harder will come away unscathed, while the force that pushes less will be damaged. That's the universal law of reiatsu as explained in Ichigo's fight against Zaraki.

Ichigo when he first becomes a shinigami is able to promptly trounce the hollow that defeated Rukia. But Ichigo 2.0 is unable to cut through Zaraki's unconciously leaked reiatsu.

Hollows are spiritual beings. A hollow as manifestly pathetic as the one that mauled Rukia can't hope to injure someone with as concentrated reiatsu as Hitsugaya Toshirou, who is able to create and maintain such massive shikai and bankai forms from his excess spirit force.

I would not agree that he would be unhurt, only people like Zarakia exclude such a powerful force, Yoruichi even says that Zaraki's strength is abnormal for SS.

No, no, no. Nowhere is this said. You just got caught trying to exploit an out-of-context quote, stand down now before you embaress yourself further.


No, i still don't think that its out of context, if you don't believe that one then the fact that Renji was startled that Rukia was being prosecuted.

[Sandal Hat]

Yes, I know that , but the guy in episode 8 did not. Then why are you arguing that she is a prodigy. You sure are weird, given the reasons you just stated you should know that she isn't a prodigy because of her abilities but because she got adopted into the Kuchiki Clan not based on her abilities

Edit:Renji didn't want her to get killed at the sougyoku stand because her crimes weren't that horrible

[Zangetsu Tensa]

I would not agree that he would be unhurt, only people like Zarakia exclude such a powerful force, Yoruichi even says that Zaraki's strength is abnormal for SS.
Strength is a very general term. It's beyond question that Hitsugaya has a highly concentrated reiatsu. His shikai alone is an enormous dragon of ice and water, and his bankai is even bigger. These are formed from his excess spirit force. If he turned his reitasu on full blast, there's no way a hollow could touch him.

[Fariswheel]

Strength is a very general term. It's beyond question that Hitsugaya has a highly concentrated reiatsu. His shikai alone is an enormous dragon of ice and water, and his bankai is even bigger. These are formed from his excess spirit force. If he turned his reitasu on full blast, there's no way a hollow could touch him.

Thats opinion, I'll believe that when I see it. I don't think that Hitsugaya is that strong.

[jonat3]

No offence but that has already been hashed over.


I imagine it did. And it's amazing that the argument still went farther than that, cause there's no going around this fact. A vc level person cannot beat a captain level person, period.

[Sandal Hat]

The wings are probable just to look cool.

What kind of BS answer is that? Bankai forms aren't just for looks.

Also, I think we have shot down all your points

[Fariswheel]

Then why are you arguing that she is a prodigy. You sure are weird, given the reasons you just stated you should know that she isn't a prodigy because of her abilities but because she got adopted into the Kuchiki Clan not based on her abilities

Edit:Renji didn't want her to get killed at the sougyoku stand because her crimes weren't that horrible


Yeah, but the point is that it was kept from the majority of people for the true reason of her adoption.
And I don't think that Renji in episode 14 or what ever, I am too lazty to check was thinking that she would be killed at the time. This is proven by when he comes in later and says that he doesn't believe that she will be killed.

What kind of BS answer is that? Bankai forms aren't just for looks.

Also, I think we have shot down all your points


No you haven't.

Renji's costume proves that some parts of bankais are just for looks. THere is no reason that I can concive that he would need that.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Thats opinion, I'll believe that when I see it. I don't think that Hitsugaya is that strong.
No it's not. The dragon is formed from his unconciously leaked spirit force - that's explicitly stated. If you say that reiatsu of that magnitude can be scathed by such a pathetic hollow as the one in episode 1, you're clearly arguing for the sake of argument - not because you honestly believe that.

Saying "that's opinion" is your way of saying "I have no response to that that can be backed up with evidence". You've thrown in the towel. I don't debate for your entertainment, so I'll leave it at that.

I feel that I've proved Rukia's inferiority beyond reasonable argument. I'm done here. Enjoy the thread, Fariswheel.

[Sandal Hat]

Hold on, hold on, what does Renji's opinion of whether Rukia should get killed or not have anything to do with her fight against Hitsugaya


Edit: you're comparing Renji's piece of cloth on his costume to the Wings formed on Hitsugaya when he unleashes bankai?

Also, what have we not disproven or proven?

[Fariswheel]

No it's not. The dragon is formed from his unconciously leaked spirit force - that's explicitly stated. If you say that reiatsu of that magnitude can be scathed by such a pathetic hollow as the one in episode 1, you're clearly arguing for the sake of argument - not because you honestly believe that.

Saying "that's opinion" is your way of saying "I have no response to that that can be backed up with evidence". You've thrown in the towel. I don't debate for your entertainment, so I'll leave it at that.

I feel that I've proved Rukia's inferiority beyond reasonable argument. I'm done here. Enjoy the thread, Fariswheel.


No offence, but if Ichiago could be hurt by a hollow which he does get hurt multiple times, then there is not reason that another captain level could not be.

Hold on, hold on, what does Renji's opinion of whether Rukia should get killed or not have anything to do with her fight against Hitsugaya


I was just saying that Renji had a high opinion of her. Thats all. I am getting tired and I am outnumbered so I'll just give up. sigh.

[jonat3]

No offence, but if Ichiago could be hurt by a hollow which he does get hurt multiple times, then there is not reason that another captain level could not be.

Yeah, but Ichigo has been growing stronger steadily. Only the most powerful hollows can hurt Ichigo now.

[Sandal Hat]

The only hollow Ichigo gets hurt by once he obtains captan level powers is Ulquiorra and he was in a much higher league than D-Roy not to mention that Ichigo's reiatsu was dropping dramatically

Edit: Renji has a high opinion of Rukia! OMG she must be extremel powerful! (sarcasm)

[Fariswheel]

Yeah, but Ichigo has been growing stronger steadily. Only the most powerful hollows can hurt Ichigo now.

I repeat, I am outnumbered 3 to 1. I give up. For the love of god. And Rukia killing the Arranukar would prove that either she has been improving rapidly or that she was stronger than you think.

[jonat3]

I repeat, I am outnumbered 3 to 1. I give up. For the love of god. And Rukia killing the Arranukar would prove that either she has been improving rapidly or that she was stronger than you think.

Actually, it's two on one. Zangetsu already left.

And rukia has always been that strong, she said so herself. But the strength she displayed does not point her to being captain level.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

I give up.
My friends, we are victorious. The forces of logic win once again.

[jonat3]

My friends, we are victorious.

Lol, popped in just to say that, eh?

[Fariswheel]

No he did not he is still on this thread.

I would say that it would point to her being captain level, only the strongest vicecaptains and captains are shown taking out anything such as D-Roy in one hit.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Yeah, but as long as you don't say she can beat Hitsugaya it's all cool.

Now let's stop posting in this thread.

[Fariswheel]

Agreed, but had to have close to the last word. I imagene after saying that so one else will post.

[jonat3]

No he did not he is still on this thread.

I would say that it would point to her being captain level, only the strongest vicecaptains and captains are shown taking out anything such as D-Roy in one hit.

D-Roy was afailure as an arrancar. He was probably the weakest of the lot. Even his fellow arrancar said that his opponent must have been lucky to fight D-roy. So far, Ikkaku is doing pretty well against the arrancar he's fighting. Which suggests that some of the arrancar are VC level. I'm not even sure if d-roy can be considered vc level.

Edit: Ah, everyone quit already? Ah well.

[Fariswheel]

D-Roy was afailure as an arrancar. He was probably the weakest of the lot. Even his fellow arrancar said that his opponent must have been lucky to fight D-roy. So far, Ikkaku is doing pretty well against the arrancar he's fighting. Which suggests that some of the arrancar are VC level. I'm not even sure if d-roy can be considered vc level.

Edit: Ah, everyone quit already? Ah well.


Ikkaku did not take the guy out in one hit though.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

For the sake of killing this thread, please delete all posts on this page.

[jonat3]

Ikkaku did not take the guy out in one hit though.

True, and that's one of the reasons why i'm starting to doubt if D-roy is even VC level.

[Fariswheel]

Agreed I wasn't saying he was.

For the sake of killing this thread, please delete all posts on this page.

Get Sandle Hat to close it. He probably would.

[jonat3]

Well, i guess this thread is finished then.

[Fariswheel]

About time, I think that I originally thought it was over yesterday, but at least several posts ago.

[jonat3]

Well, i'm off to sleep then. Nite fellas.

[Fariswheel]

Good night, I was going to sleep to, but I thought that if isaid that it would be perseved as weakness. lol.

[Lovekiller93]

But didnt the manga say something like Byakuya didn't allow Rukia to be promoted or something?? Though still, Hitsugaya will still beat Rukia easily.

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

Rukia's shikai would be SOOOO easy to escape if you aren't retarded. Get out of the god damn circle. It ISN'T very big! While Hitsugaya can take you down with his shikai, he can work with the giant dragon to take you down. And just because you are frozen, doesn't mean you can't break out of it, because that would make ice MAD rigged. And the one REALLY unfair element: Bankai.

[Dooh]

Rukia is good against meele people because of that sick shika but hitsu has the strongest water/ice zankaptou(even tho his shika seems ALOT better then his banka)

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

But it's NOT better. Looks can be deceiving, but I personally think Rukia's Shikai sucks.

[vision33r]

Just comparing reiatsu, Rukia can't compete...

[DMC]

...The Fanboyism here sticks out like a sore thumb.

[Kabane]

if trained enough Rukia's sword can become the strongest 'ice zanpakto'
but she has no chance against hitsu.

[SLVR]

...The Fanboyism here sticks out like a sore thumb.
Yes sir. Hitsu would win. Bankai. If he got cought in Rukia's Shi kai that diffrent but a captin level opponent is to smart fer that

[Shinji]

if trained enough Rukia's sword can become the strongest 'ice zanpakto'
but she has no chance against hitsu.
It doesn't matter how much she trains, Hitsugaya still has the most powerful ice-type Zanpaku-to.

[SLVR]

It doesn't matter how much she trains, Hitsugaya still has the most powerful ice-type Zanpaku-to.
Most powerful Ice zampakuto dosnt mean anything. Look how he got PWND by Aizen. Just cause his sword is the strongest element dont grant him imediate sucess

[Kabane]

It doesn't matter how much she trains, Hitsugaya still has the most powerful ice-type Zanpaku-to.

not if she trains enough.. does a slow moving ice dragon trump an all encompassing ice attack?.

[Aizen Sousuke]

Omg how can this even be questioned. Rukia is far below captain lvl on skills.

Most powerful Ice zampakuto dosnt mean anything. Look how he got PWND by Aizen. Just cause his sword is the strongest element dont grant him imediate sucess
Everyone and I mean EVERYONE is pwned by aizen :winking56

There is only one warning...and one warning only. Do NOT double post. Or you will be temporarilly banned for a week. There is an edit button, so USE IT.

[Kabane]

stop double posting. But im trying to be realistic. I personally think rukia has a chance. Its not like Hitsugaya is all powerful.

[Undying]

I think you are overrating Rukia's prowess. Her Zanpaku-to's powerful, but Hitsugaya is still the "boy-genius". Besides, captains are on a different level than other Shinigami's. Rukia is below captain level, or she would have been promoted long ago. Even Byakuya know's that a captain shouldn't fear anything (exept a crazy-orange-haired-huge-kitchen-knife-waving-punk-kid). Besides, were she captain level, she'd have released BanKai against Grimmjaw, or had trouble against D.Roy, since if she was a captain she'd be limited.

[Kabane]

I didnt say she would win. im just saying that she has a chance.

[I fail at life]

I think you are overrating Rukia's prowess. Her Zanpaku-to's powerful, but Hitsugaya is still the "boy-genius". Besides, captains are on a different level than other Shinigami's. Rukia is below captain level, or she would have been promoted long ago. Even Byakuya know's that a captain shouldn't fear anything (exept a crazy-orange-haired-huge-kitchen-knife-waving-punk-kid). Besides, were she captain level, she'd have released BanKai against Grimmjaw, or had trouble against D.Roy, since if she was a captain she'd be limited.

Only if she was an offical captain... Ikkaku is captain level and he wasn't limited.

[Undying]

Logicaly, if she was a able to ascend to captain level, her carin and passionate brother would have made sure she was promoted. He isn't an idiot. What's safer for a Shinigami (in normal circumstances) than being captain level? Captains rarely take missions. Besides, as I said, were she captain level, she'd have realesed her BanKai against GriimJaw and not got owned in seconds. Notice: Ichigo is captain level, and he managed to survive a blow that grounded Rukia. See the difference?

[Kabane]

maybe because he saw what happened to rukia?.

[Undying]

Still, a certain amount of Reiatsu is needed just so that you won't crumble from the force of the blow. A captain, logicaly, has that power. Rukia didn't.

[choujiwong]

Rukia vs. Hitugaya?... ... It's my first time seeing this odd thread. Hitsugaya wins coz he's a prodigy and he has a bankai and he's a captain but rukia doesn't have anyone of these. So, if they were to fight in an actual battle, I guess Rukia has a hard time winning over hitsugaya.

[Anil]

I can't believe someone actually resurrected this thread...

I only made it so that certain people would stop spamming one of my topics...

Do people actually feel the need to debate this?

[saycheese]

do you like pie? i like pie.
and yes i think rukia wins personality wise

[choujiwong]

I can't believe someone actually resurrected this thread...

I only made it so that certain people would stop spamming one of my topics...

Do people actually feel the need to debate this?

hmm..to tell you the truth, I was just posting in this thread coz I feel like posting. Everyone has the freedom to post in.

Oh yeah, about debating about this stuff, I'm just saying what I think.

[Anil]

LMAO...

I'm not condemning you for posting here...

I just find it so damn funny that a thread that had started as a side argument has continued on for so long...

[azumi149]

dont you think this should be moved to the debates section?

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

not if she trains enough.. does a slow moving ice dragon trump an all encompassing ice attack?.

And how does a slow (it looks slow, not sure) circle about 2 feet wide trap someone who can move about 25 feet in half a second?

[Fariswheel]

1. It was wider than two feet.
2. She may have control over it.
3. It did not seem slow, although Hitsugaya is not slow either.
4. Hitsugaya probably does not know what Rukia's power is.

And I wish that this thread had remained dead.

[princess_rukia]

I hate it when some people think Rukia is weak, I think she has potential. She never really tried hard cuz she was adopted by the Kuchiki clan before graduating. She could probably do much greater stuff if she stayed in school and developed her skills.

[Undying]

Well, princess_rukia, I'm sorry to ruin your dreams for you, but unfortunatly, Rukia was trying very hard to be the best because she was adopted by the Kuchiki clan. That is why she is where she is today, she would have been weaker had she not been given the drive of being adopted by Byakuya.

[Cassie]

Rukia probably has the ability to be a VC level shinigami. She doesn't seem any weaker than Hinamori or Kira or Renji.

What I found funny was why she was about to die to a weak hollow in the first episode. Seems to be a flaw in the story.

[HitsuOri]

I just love to see Hitsugaya cutting Rukia with his shikai.

[Shinji]

dont you think this should be moved to the debates section?
No, I really don't. This is not debate material.
As I said before, Hitsugaya will win a the moment, but who knows how powerful Rukia is for real.

[Undying]

For real she is so powerful Hitsugaya owns her without bothering to open his eyes.

Rukia loses to Hitsugaya, unless she can use bankai. If she has no Bankai, she is so dead.

[Shinigami_Josh]

but we now rukia is power ful it was said that because of baukas wife diying he did nt want rukia to die so made it so she couldent be a seated officer

[princess_rukia]

Well, princess_rukia, I'm sorry to ruin your dreams for you, but unfortunatly, Rukia was trying very hard to be the best because she was adopted by the Kuchiki clan. That is why she is where she is today, she would have been weaker had she not been given the drive of being adopted by Byakuya.
Really? Never noticed that before.....

[cheesydud]

i hate these hitsugaya vs _______ threads
they're so annoying
every1 knows hitsugaya is going to lose -_-

[Zanga]

You think Hitsugaya will lose to Rukia o_O

Hitsugaya will win. If she was so strong, she wouldn't have let Grimm punch a hole in her stomach. It was even cut, it looked like he punched open her stomach O_O Hitsugaya would've atleast seen this coming >_> Rukai didn't know what hit her untill she was sent flying.

[Undying]

Really? Never noticed that before.....
Well, for pretty much every flashback we get of Rukia's history, there is always the "I am unworthy because I was adopted by such people (the Kuchiki Clan)" feeling. She wants to get better to prove herself to Byakuya.

but we now rukia is power ful it was said that because of baukas wife diying he did nt want rukia to die so made it so she couldent be a seated officer
A seated officer VS a Cpatain? Who do you think will win?

And once again, whoever doesn't own Hitsugaya, Hitsugaya owns him, which means that Rukia will lose, because Hitsugaya owns her, because she can't own him.

Why? Simple reason, Bankai. Unless she can use Bankai, Hitsugaya is simply above her level. The same reason why Ichigo couldn't have beaten Byakuya right after his fight with Kenoachi. Byakuya had Bankai, which gave him a huge advantage.

[xbandaidx]

Well, for pretty much every flashback we get of Rukia's history, there is always the "I am unworthy because I was adopted by such people (the Kuchiki Clan)" feeling. She wants to get better to prove herself to Byakuya.
A seated officer VS a Cpatain? Who do you think will win?
And once again, whoever doesn't own Hitsugaya, Hitsugaya owns him, which means that Rukia will lose, because Hitsugaya owns her, because she can't own him.
Why? Simple reason, Bankai. Unless she can use Bankai, Hitsugaya is simply above her level. The same reason why Ichigo couldn't have beaten Byakuya right after his fight with Kenoachi. Byakuya had Bankai, which gave him a huge advantage.

Couldn't have said it better. I think this topic is pretty much closed up.

Honestly...Rukia vs Hitsugaya...silly thought.

Hmm, however I'm not sure experience wise, because Rukia is older than Hitsuguya, but to be a VC and up you have to pretty much have an all-style fighting knowledge...ahh... I think hitsuguya would still win anywho.

[kebinxp]

hitsugaya would easily own her. i mean, she doesnt even have bankai yet
but i hope she gets it quick O_O

[Shinigami_Josh]

she randomly had shikai after getting her powers back other wise she would have used it in the first fight so she could have randomly got bankai and when were all oh shes screwed she goes "bankai" and were all like wtf???

(probaly training but urahara)

[AznPoi]

OK I'M GOING TO END IT HERE

Very first episode. Rukia gets owned by a normal hollow making her a weak shinigami.

Hitsugaya takes out an Arrancar.

Arrancar > normal Hollow

Discussion end.

[Rokusaburo]

who.... for real... who... would think up such a thread?

The answer is obviouse....

A Taicho vs. a common lower rank officer.
FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD AND DECENT!

Are YOU FOR REAL?

[Chrono Detector]

What kind of a stupid topic is this? (No offense)

Hitsugaya will win of course, he is a captain, or unless if Rukia has some secret hidden powers that might be a slight possibility.

[Injektilo]

Agreed, it boggles the mind that there are some who think that this is a point meriting debate. :eek13:

'Tis a whooping headed Rukia's way.

[littie_sta]

Try looking at Orihime vs Rukia fight. Very unfair isn't it??

Hitsugaya can pawn Rukia anytime

[Shinji]

Try looking at Orihime vs Rukia fight. Very unfair isn't it??
Hitsugaya can pawn Rukia anytime
I think Rukia vs Hitsugaya is much more unfair than Orihime vs Rukia. Most likely Orihime has some hidden powers that will be revealed later on.

[Shinigami_Josh]

but look at it she sudenly has bankai wtf did she pull that out of so maybe she will do it with bankai

[Undying]

Rukia had Shikai from the beggining, she simply couldn't have used it then, because she didn't have time (same is why Byakuya didn't use anything when he defended Rukia, he had no time. That's why she didn't use Shikai), so basically it isn't "getting Shikai randomally", because she claims she always had it, so Rukia pulling out Bankai suddenly is highly unlikely.

This thread should die already. Hitsugaya owns Rukia, period.

[xbandaidx]

OK I'M GOING TO END IT HERE

Very first episode. Rukia gets owned by a normal hollow making her a weak shinigami.

Hitsugaya takes out an Arrancar.

Arrancar > normal Hollow

Discussion end.

Technically she didn't get owned, she sacrificed herself to protect Ichigo, if she hadn't we don't really know how the fight would have ended. I'm pretty sure she could have taken that hollow. You gotta remember she was caught offguard, she didnt have any cell phone ringing for her.

[chiriyuku]

Well if she was stronger, she wouldn't have had to sacrifice herself like that. Caught off gaurd? I think she was just careless.

[Undying]

Isn't it the same, or rather, reason and consequence? She was caught off guard because she was careless.

[SLVR]

IMO I think Hitsu would beat Rukia. My thoughts cause he a captin and stuff

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

Well, Rukia was thoroughly owned by Grimmjaw, and I don't think that Hitsugaya would have stood much of a chance either, but wouldn't go down like that. I find it highly unlikely that Rukia could be stronger than any of the captains.