Vastoorode ? arankankaru ? Vaizaado ?

[xenosiz]

Ok I need to get this straight.
Lets start with Vastoorode. An Vastoorode is a rank 3 of Menos. First thing first, have we seen a Vastoorode in bleach ? First I tought that Vastoorodes where arankankaru but thats not right is it ?

So arankankaru are hollows with singami powers. That Aizen created right ? We have seen many of them. But are they someway connected to Menos or ? I really dont understand all this.

So there are Vaizaado. That is a singami with a hollow power. So far we have seen two of them.

So my main questin is who are all these guys :LOL: Please make this easier to me and sorry if you dont understand all this crap. I'm very tired :biggrinki

[jonat3]

According to my interpretation of the text, arrancars are NORMAL hollows that take off their masks to gain shinigami powers. Since Ulquiorra was also classified as an arrancar, that would imply that he never was a menos from the start.

Others believe that a hybrid menos can also be called arrancar. Even if this is true, the recent chapter seems to imply that not all of them are vastoorodes.

[ban.kai]

vastoorodes are the highest level arrancars i think.. theyre the ones that are captain level strength or above

[jonat3]

vastoorodes are the highest level arrancars i think.. theyre the ones that are captain level strength or above

No, a vastoorode is the most powerful type of menos and is UNALTERED. All the menos types described by Hitsugaya are unaltered hollows and have not been hybridized yet.

[Jinchuu]

Vastorades are high level menos grandes, the strongest type of hollows, Aizen basicly transformed the existing Vastorades into Arrancar with the power of Hougyoku.

[ban.kai]

sorry i meant after transformed they are the strongest .. gotta take my afternoon nap soon -__--

[jonat3]

Atleast Deroy doesn't seem to be a vastoorodes. Deroy got beat too easily.

[Jinchuu]

He is a vastorade judging from his appearance and body scale. But I think he is an incomplete arrancar because most of his mask is still on and he covers the other half with bandages, him being incomplete is probably the reason why he was beaten so easily by Rukia.

[jonat3]

He is a vastorade judging from his appearance and body scale. But I think he is an incomplete arrancar because most of his mask is still on and he covers the other half with bandages, him being incomplete is probably the reason why he was beaten so easily by Rukia.

It's impossible that Deroy is a vastoorodes. Unless you are suggesting that the hougyoku actually turned him weaker or that rukia is stronger than any captain. Even incomplete is more powerful than the regular version as seen with GF.

I always had the impression that the more a hollow gains shinigami powers, the more human he looks. GF turned more human when he put his mask off.

Right now, it's almost definite that Deroy was not a vastoorodes. Cause those creatures are more powerful than regular captains and a hybrid one could easily be more powerful than Yamamoto himself.

[Jinchuu]

His body size and abilities match of the vastorades'. As Pyon version Rukia said Rukia was powerful to begin with she might even be on par with vice-captains of soul society, moreover D. Roy was pwned easily not because he was weak, he lost because he was careless and stupid.

[jonat3]

His body size and abilities match of the vastorades'. As Pyon version Rukia said Rukia was powerful to begin with she might even be on par with vice-captains of soul society, moreover D. Roy was pwned easily not because he was weak, he lost because he was careless and stupid.

I know that the body size may imply he's a vastoorode, but that doesn't mean he's one. Like i said, i believe normal hollows turn more human, the more perfect they are as a hybrid.

Also, no vastoorodes could ever lose against someone thats VC at best because of carelesness. You think a mere shikai could ever work on a vastoorodes? You need atleast bankai or be called Zaraki to match a vastoorode and we are talking about the unaltered ones here.

[Sgt.Reaper]

We have three types of Arankaru:

"Gillian", those are Menos Grande. They have a primitive interllect and are slow.

Ajuukaru" they are smaller in stature but theire intellect and strenght is far greater than a "Gillian". A good example of one is JAmi he who fought Ichigo in the park.

"Vastoorode" they are the strongest and a good example of one is the one that was with Jami.

[jonat3]

^^I think you mean that Urquiorra may be a vastoorodes. Yamii is weaker than Urquiorra, though he's probably captain level.

[Jinchuu]

You need atleast bankai or be called Zaraki to match a vastoorode and we are talking about the unaltered ones here.

That's not implied in manga. Hitsugaya talks in general, that a vastorade is stronger than a captain, he doesn't say that all vastorades are better than a captain or have equal power.

[Sgt.Reaper]

Just read what Hitsugaya say in chapter 197, it is all explined there.

P.S i corrected my last post quite much so those who read the origonal should re-read it

[brolijc]

just curious, if the person's number in the Arrancar does he mean he is stronger? If so that means the amount of hybrid hollows are 5 or less, since Grimjaw is number 6 in the Arrancar... But i think there will be less than 5 as if i'm not wrong Ulquiorra is stronger and his number should be lower than Grimjaw, or maybe not, since Grimjaw looked more human as i also have the idea that the more Shinigami powers a hollow have, the more human he looked, and we can see that Grimjaw looked more human than Ulquiorra...

Also don't you think that Grimjaw looked a bit like Hitsugaya? I'm not saying Hitsugaya is him or whatever, don't be mistaken I'm just saying they look alike

[Sgt.Reaper]

i think that number only represent the order that they where created by Aizen

[jonat3]

That's not implied in manga. Hitsugaya talks in general, that a vastorade is stronger than a captain, he doesn't say that all vastorades are better than a captain or have equal power.

Yes, it WAS implied in the manga that you need to be captain level to even stand a chance. Hitsugaya said ANY vastoorode is stronger than ANY captain. Meaning even the weakest vastoorode is a match for a regular captain.

If we take Hitsugaya literally, not even Yamamoto stands a chance against an unaltered vastoorode, but i'll assume that they meant stronger than regular captains here.

[Jinchuu]

Well than all the vastorades so far are trash? That's what you are telling now.
Yami, D. Roy and all the other dudes that came, because they could not even manage to kill their opponents which are only vice-captains and seated officers. (Except Hitsugaya)

[jonat3]

Well than all the vastorades so far are trash? That's what you are telling now.
Yami, D. Roy and all the other dudes that came, because they could not even manage to kill their opponents which are only vice-captains and seated officers. (Except Hitsugaya)

No, i'm saying none of the hollows we've seen are vastoorodes. Only Urquiorra and perhaps Grimjow are strong enough to be vastoorodes.

[Sgt.Reaper]

Well i would say Yami wasent an Vastorode but rather a Ajuukaru.

[summerslam]

arrancar = hollows being turned into shinigami, the more perfect they are, the more they look like human. BECAUSE SHINIGAMIS ARE HUMAN FORM. thats why their size are more like human when they are completed. Vastorodes are of human size even when unaltered and they are even stronger than any captains. So if any of the 20 arrancars Aizen made is from Vastorodes, he could just sort of send about 4 altered vastorodes to own them all, assuming that the altered vastorodes are stronger. Hitsu, Isshin, Ichigo and urahara would not have a chance winning them.

[Sandal Hat]

Edorad has been quoted to say that Dee Roy was nothing more than a failure as an Arrancar (That would explain why he got beat so easily).

- From the very beginning Rukia did have the capacity to be a seated officer. However, Byakuya saw the dangers that would be coupled with her having a seat and prevented her from being promoted for her well-being.

Ju-ni

[jonat3]

Deroy is a failure as a arrancar, cause he relied on Aizen's gifts. Meaning, he thought that all he had to do was become a full hybrid and that would be enough to make him stronger. Like i said, becoming a hybrid can do only so much. If you are weak to begin with, becoming a hybrid will not change that significantly.

[omfgman]

no..... deroy underestimated people. he didnt realize until it was too late and that he already gotten hurt, i still think he is no match for the soul society people but i dont think he is that weak....

[jonat3]

no..... deroy underestimated people. he didnt realize until it was too late and that he already gotten hurt, i still think he is no match for the soul society people but i dont think he is that weak....

He just got defeated by someone who's VC level at the highest in less than a minute. I say he's weak. And because he's weak, it's impossible that he is a vastoorode. Do you people realize how powerful a HYBRID vastoorode would have to be? Even more powerful than Yamamoto!

[ultimate]

i agree with jonat, deiroy was a weak arankaru, even his fellow arankaru dudes said so when he was killed by rukia... they said that deiroy wasted aizens gifts or something, this kinda implies that he was probably already weak to start with and i dont think any of the dudes that aizen sent r vastorodes or else rukia woulda been wasted already... rukia is probably about 3rd seat or 4th seat level, maybe vice captain...

[Jinchuu]

Well i would say Yami wasent an Vastorode but rather a Ajuukaru.
I think he was an arrancar, ajuukaru's is probably like Grand Fisher.

[jonat3]

I think he was an arrancar, ajuukaru's is probably like Grand Fisher.

GF was already an arrancar when he fought ichigo. Or perphaps it's better to call him a mock arrancar. Also, GF was definately a normal hollow. If he was a ajucas, rukia would have mentioned it. Besides, the difference in power between the gillian and the old GF is rather obvious. A hybrid ajucas is likely to be captain level also.

[Jinchuu]

He wasn't an arrancar when he fought Ichigo he was just a normal hollow who managed to live for 54 years.

[jonat3]

He wasn't an arrancar when he fought Ichigo he was just a normal hollow who managed to live for 54 years.

He was a mock arrancar. Check chapter 25 where GF took off his mask. He was already an incomplete hybrid. Aizen came along and used the hougyoku and further perfected him (though still incomplete) to see how he would perfom. GF didn't use his hybrid powers against Ichigo, but he did possess them.

[Jinchuu]

He acquired his new powers after the battle of Ichigo, he was a pure hollow and when he lost the battle, D. Roy and Grimmjow removed his mask, thus evolving-morphing (whatever) into a mock arrancar. So basicly, Fight with Ichigo > Removal of Mask > Hougyoku > Arrancar > Pwned by Isshin.

[jonat3]

He acquired his new powers after the battle of Ichigo, he was a pure hollow and when he lost the battle, D. Roy and Grimmjow removed his mask, thus evolving-morphing (whatever) into a mock arrancar. So basicly, Fight with Ichigo > Removal of Mask > Hougyoku > Arrancar > Pwned by Isshin.

Well, he wasn't a pure hollow when he fought Ichigo, though it's true he didn't use his hybrid powers at the time. He was a mock arrancar that got turned into a slightly more complete arrancar by the hougyoku. He was still a test version though, so he was still incomplete.

[Jinchuu]

For the last time, know this; Grand Fisher was not a mock arrancar when he fought with Ichigo in the graveyard, do you have any evidence to support your theory?

[Sgt.Reaper]

Agreeing with jinchuu here he didnt become a mock arrancar until after the fight with Ichigo.

Tho i dont think he ever became a pure ajukaar just a beta version.

[newsaidin]

There was however something in his talk with the guy in charge of the one breaking his mask, about taking it easy on Ichigo...

isnt there a diffrent word for Pure Hybrids, that distinguishs them from arranknar?

And when Hitsugaya stated that Vastoroode are stronger then captains, I doubt he included Yamammoto in that conclusion - I doubt anyone knows just how strong he is.

As for Dee-Roy's lousiness - one of the reasons Rukia could beat him even though she did not have enough spirit force to cut his bare palm, was her sword's powerfull ability. had he stayed out of range or dodged the icicile, the fight might not have been decided so easily, but it's possible that even a very powerfull arrancar caught in the circle would be toast (popsicle..). same goes for other unique-abilities zanpaktous - 11th squad no.5 seat comes to mind... as does soi-fon's two strikes for kill sword.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

But didn't someone say taht 20 of these guys should be enough to TAKE DOWN SOUL SOCIETY?

[Constantine]

I thought it was 10. regardless, they have more than needed. A bit of overkill.

:P

[Sgt.Reaper]

They said that is schould be enought, but Hitsugaya was probobly talking about perfect Vasorodes it seams like not all of them was perfect, like De.Roy.

[ultimate]

i dont think deiroy is a vastorode... wasnt he an arankaru? and a really crap one as described by his fellow arankarus... anyway hitsugaya said something like 20 vastorodes was enough to take down soul society... btw, vastorodes r the most powerful version of a menos and deiroy is not a vastorode, am i right in saying that?

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

But even though D.Roy wasn't as powerful as he should have been, if he's one of the 20/10 (whichever) that should be enough to destroy SS, he should DEFINATELY be able to defeat someone who is VC level (at best). Hell, he shouldn't even be a cakewalk for a captain.

[jonat3]

For the last time, know this; Grand Fisher was not a mock arrancar when he fought with Ichigo in the graveyard, do you have any evidence to support your theory?

Chapter 25

"Geez....running back without even using most of your strength"

This sentence implied (atleast to me) that GF didn't use his hybrid powers at the time. They said GF played around too much, so i assumed he didn't even bother taking his mask off to fight Ichigo.

Another quote:

"Don't give me sorry. I told you to prepare."

This implied that Gf should have used the spells to turn himslef to a hybrid.

But i have to agree that above sentences could be interpreted differently. I still think he already was a mock arrancar though.

[Sgt.Reaper]

Jonat it is implied that he held back power but the amout of power coming with taking of your mask turining in to a hybrid is much more than that and there is nothing impling that what they are reffering to is any more than being serius from the begining and not holding back, he has been abel to avoid shinigami for a long time and Ichigo was really weak.

[jonat3]

Jonat it is implied that he held back power but the amout of power coming with taking of your mask turining in to a hybrid is much more than that and there is nothing impling that what they are reffering to is any more than being serius from the begining and not holding back, he has been abel to avoid shinigami for a long time and Ichigo was really weak.

I know an arrancar gets an enormous boost, but i called GF a MOCK arrancar. According to Ishin there have already existed a group of arrancars prior to the hougyoku, only they were pretty incomplete. Since they were only a pale imitation of the real thing, the increased power wasn't that much.

Also, i was under the impression that it was partly because he was a mock arrancar that he had enough ability to avoid SS for that long.

[Sgt.Reaper]

I got the impression he was firstly turened into a mock arrancar after the fight with Ichigo and was only an extrodinaryly powerful/clever normal hollow.

[jonat3]

I got the impression he was firstly turened into a mock arrancar after the fight with Ichigo and was only an extrodinaryly powerful/clever normal hollow.

Well, i can understand why some had that impression. It's quite possible he was only made an arrancar at the end of volume 3. It's open to interpretation. Anyways, it doesn't really matter that much in the end.

[Sgt.Reaper]

Yeah i know he got seriusly pawnd by Isshin anyways :p