Shinsui VS Ichigo

[animalistic]

even though kenpachi is one of my fav captains I am really sick of all the VS threads havin kenpachi in them!!

so who would win?? a lot of ppl say that shinsui is really strong or sumthin but its really hard to tell the only evidence to that is when old yama said sumthin bout how smart he was.....personally i think ichigo would win :headbang: and if not then theyre equal.

p.s. for those of you who dont know who shinsui is hez the captain of the 8th division, you know...the guy in pink :p

[asukasun]

I think Shunsui... because he has more experience and is more skilled

[animalistic]

I think Shunsui... because he has more experience and is more skilled

well its true that hez very experienced but ichigo seems to have gained A LOT of experience after his bankai training, and his shikai is really powerful im sure everybody knows that

[Qc0Jh1axT]

because ichigo is the hero of the story, ichigo will win. ^_^ heroes always win. if they lost the first time, they'll win the second time. if they lost a lot of times, they'll win in the end. they always win. ^_^ heroes always win. it's dead-fixed. ^o^

[animalistic]

heh...i thought someone would say that but thats not alwayz the case, for example naruto lost to sasuke!!! can u believe that crap!
anywayz i think ichigo will win cuz of his skill and power and not becuz hez the hero :D

[Sir_unforgiven]

we've only seen the other guy fight someone at vice captain level so i'd have to say ichigo just because there is no info on the other guy really

[brolijc]

omg, the answer IS EXTREMELY OBVIOUS, it will definitely be Shunsui, he is really powerful, trust me, with Ichigo's current skills, he can't win, probably in the furture

[uryuu]

i'll put my vote on ichigo because he has all the talent,he has become a death god without any training or whatsoever and in a short time,he can match with some captains who is skilled and trained for so many years.just my 5 cents though :face82:

[animalistic]

well even though shunsuiz shikai looks pretty cool i dont think it would be that effective as for speed, all i can say is if ichigo can follow byakuyaz movements while usin flash step then it shouldnt be any trouble following shunsui even though he is fast

[brolijc]

i can't believe what i'm hearing lol

[animalistic]

how could you be soo sure brolijc when you never even saw him fight!! even though you're probably gonna say "cuz old yama said so!!"

[uryuu]

hurmmm there was a scene where shinsui defeats sado easily...

[animalistic]

heh, it would be best not to compare with chad, ichigo is far stronger than him, i mean hez already at a captain level, but chad is at a vice captain level max
since its impossible to know what shinsuiz bankai is, its only possible to compare shikai at the most even though they havent showed a lot bout his shikai either :p

[Capthxc]

Well, we havnt even really seen shunsei fight much. But gathered from what we do know hes thousands of years old(probibly older then byakuya)and one of the first shinigami captains as well as one of the only captains to have a dual zampakatou. I can agree with everyone here when they say ichigo is on a captains level, but within the captains theres still big differances in power, Right now in his current state i dont think ichigo would stand a chance against captains like shunsui, yama-jii, ukitaki, or soifon. Even going into the fight with byakuya id say that byakuya is stronger then ichigo since he has more experence with his bankai and shinigami powers. Id say give it some time when ichigo can use his powers more effectivly and i think he will be pretty much stronger then every captain in the gotei 13.

[animalistic]

Well, we havnt even really seen shunsei fight much. But gathered from what we do know hes thousands of years old(probibly older then byakuya)and one of the first shinigami captains as well as one of the only captains to have a dual zampakatou. I can agree with everyone here when they say ichigo is on a captains level, but within the captains theres still big differances in power, Right now in his current state i dont think ichigo would stand a chance against captains like shunsui, yama-jii, ukitaki, or soifon. Even going into the fight with byakuya id say that byakuya is stronger then ichigo since he has more experence with his bankai and shinigami powers. Id say give it some time when ichigo can use his powers more effectivly and i think he will be pretty much stronger then every captain in the gotei 13.
it is true its hard to discuss this without seeing his shikai but from what ive seen ichigoz strength increases accordin to who hez fightin and you have to agree his shikai is pretty damn powerfull and i already mentioned the issue of speed in one of my earlier post

[Shinomori]

That's the problem - honestly, we haven't seen anything about Kyouraku. All we know is that he has two swords and likes girls. We can ASSUME he's powerful, but there's nothing to compare them together with.

That being said, Kyourako because he's cooler. :D

[animalistic]

That's the problem - honestly, we haven't seen anything about Kyouraku. All we know is that he has two swords and likes girls. We can ASSUME he's powerful, but there's nothing to compare them together with.

That being said, Kyourako because he's cooler. :D
i definetly have to agree with that :D , hez pretty cool and really funny

EDIT: hmmmmm.....maybe il post a more realistic fight

[Nood]

Shinsui would win because he has THOSE UBER LOOKING BLADES! And he also has flower petals! Hes shikai loox too much ownage compared to ichigos big kitchenknife.
On a more serious note, i cant tell, i dont read manga, i dont know how Shinsui fights and how much power he has. But i hope he would win cuz he's lazy, hes a big girl fan - so he's like me, thats why i like him more than ichigo - and has that double sword shikai stuff that is pure power :D

[uh_yea]

At ichigo's current state, i doubt he can take on shunsui. Shunsui's probably far more skilled and experienced than ichigo since he is one of the first to become a captain. Plus he's been recognized for his skill and power by genryuusai. Ichigo might have a chance maybe if he had more time to train. Like maybe a few years or even decades to go beyond his limits and can fully use his bankai effectively. Than i think he might have a chance of beating shunsui in a fight. Its hard to say right now since we haven't seen alot of performance from shunsui.

[animalistic]

At ichigo's current state, i doubt he can take on shunsui. Shunsui's probably far more skilled and experienced than ichigo since he is one of the first to become a captain. Plus he's been recognized for his skill and power by genryuusai. Ichigo might have a chance maybe if he had more time to train. Like maybe a few years or even decades to go beyond his limits and can fully use his bankai effectively. Than i think he might have a chance of beating shunsui in a fight. Its hard to say right now since we haven't seen alot of performance from shunsui.
well i was bout to say that i agree untill i saw the part bout ichigo needin to train a few years or even decades in order to have a CHANCE of winning, hmmm...lets see if i remember correctly ichigo went from a shinigami which wouldnt even be able to enter the gotei 13 to a captainz level in less than a year!!! im sure if he trains a lot he can surpass shunsui also ichigo has hollow powers and if he learns how to use them.....lets just say he would be competin with old yama instead

[Nood]

well i was bout to say that i agree untill i saw the part bout ichigo needin to train a few years or even decades in order to have a CHANCE of winning, hmmm...lets see if i remember correctly ichigo went from a shinigami which wouldnt even be able to enter the gotei 13 to a captainz level in less than a year!!! im sure if he trains a lot he can surpass shunsui also ichigo has hollow powers and if he learns how to use them.....lets just say he would be competin with old yama instead


And thats bacause...Ichigo is the main character, that gives him far more power and everything that any other character can have.

[Kenta]

I would say Ichigo. Maybe more will jump on Ichigo's wagon when you see him fight Byakuya.

[captain_soifon]

right now id say shunsui.. but if fought in a week or so mayb ichigo.. cos ichigos rate of imporvement is just so great

[T_Ichigo]

Ichigo is fighting byakuya, and this imply that he can challenge shunsui to .. byakuya is one of the strongest captains among every captains in gotei 13. I would choose Ichigo because he managed to achieve bankai in three days, and that tells alot about his talent,
of course SHunsui is pretty fast to, we've seen his shunpyo and his speed when he fought Sado-kun, but we haven't seen his skills yet, so Shunsui is no one to underestimate. The other reason that I choose Ichigo is because heroes always prevails, the most exciting is to see how they prevail .. and in this case, the fight between Ichigo and Shunsui, it's hard to speculate how it would look like.

[captain_soifon]

yea i agree even i tho i want shunsui to win ichigo is the main character and he is rigged

[uryuu]

the main character will always win in the end and never dies ^_^ *except for some stories like titanic -___-*

[brolijc]

why are people choosing Ichigo winning just because he's the main character, if we say he win because of these reasons then there is no need for discussion of these threads in the first place

[Qc0Jh1axT]

Ok, I changed my mind. Considering that Shunsui didn't even need to squeeze one ounce of his energy to fight Chad, considering that he has that kind of lazy look which meant he didn't even put an ounce of effort in the fight... he's definitely one difficult guy to beat.

He's very cool and funny too! Anyone noticed he has a lot of body hair???

[captain_soifon]

but he was one of the first captains im guessing his muhc stronger than byakuya

[Sir_unforgiven]

i don't know how you can even discuss this really, i mean all we've seen him do is fight chad, who is like vice captain level, there is no way of telling how strong shunsui is, all we know is he can do a big shunpo, he is one of the first captains, and his and ukitake are the only soul slayers that come in pairs

[MissShizuka]

I'd say Shuunsui because even if Ichigo is the main character, Shuunsui is one of the oldest captains other than Yama-jii which means more wisdom. And Yama-jii said in Episode 56 that he was one that could tell what the truth. was.

[sickness-]

Ichigo would win hands down, I dunno why there is more votes for shinsui, pfffffff.....I don't wanna hear it either.....

[captain_soifon]

so y can ichigo beat him... its not just the way it is there must be reasons

[sickness-]

Ichigo, there needs to be a reason for Ichigo? Are you f'n kidding me?

[captain_soifon]

shunsui wins, nor eason he just does then =p....

[sniperz]

yea lol... ichigo is the human shinimgami tat owns more than many captains soon. shinsui will lose to due his speed >.< yea his shounpou is fast =0 byakukya is way faster in tat too. and ichigo? needless to say? ownz -) ichigo can 1 on 1 any captain by the time he has bankai FOlks =0 see caregfully

[captain_soifon]

io dunno shinsui might be faster than byakuya
he ot owned like nothing against aizen

[captain_soifon]

shunsui wins, no reason he just does then =p.... yup some ppl just dont get it...
Edit: mY post is after post 39.. 63.7% of ppl didn't vote for ichigo guess 63.7% of pplz didnt get it and are morons..

[sickness-]

Some people just don't f'n get it...no reason to explain....morons will be morons...

[sniperz]

what makes shinsui so special =.= he aint main character.. ok i wan ur reason why he can beat ichigo with ease o.O i doubt tat lets juz say he'll be the strongest like naruto =) hokage , dun think they'll lose in fights ... they always had hopes when near deaths like Limit breaks ^_^ so they pwn :doindadom

Naruto = Kyuubi =almost infinite chakras of power and new jutsu

Ichigo = Zangetsu Tensa =giving him a miracle heal and seal wounds giving him the sword he believed in him.

[captain_soifon]

because i think he is strong he was oe of the first cptains and trained by the old man himself and he is at about utitakes level aizen beat ichigo like nothing and he said nor you nor i have bben in heaven so he acknowledges utitake and if shunsui is at utitakes level i think he will beat ichigo.. i may be wrong but i have a reason

[Sir_unforgiven]

how does that equal that?

[animalistic]

yea lol... ichigo is the human shinimgami tat owns more than many captains soon. shinsui will lose to due his speed >.< yea his shounpou is fast =0 byakukya is way faster in tat too. and ichigo? needless to say? ownz -) ichigo can 1 on 1 any captain by the time he has bankai FOlks =0 see caregfully
ichigo already has bankai!!! he just didnt use it yet we all know that

[captain_soifon]

"how does that equal that?" wacha mean?

[Sir_unforgiven]

how does that equal him recognizing ukitake, and even if it does he didn't say anything about shunsui, i mean it went somthing like "what are you doing?" and aizen was just like " i'm trying to go higher" "have you fallen in the process aizen?" "no one starts out on top of the world, not you, not me, not even the gods, but the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over, i'll be sitting on that throne now" or somthing like that, i don't think that recognizes ukitake at all, in fact i think that sounds like he's totally insulting him

[captain_soifon]

hmm guess we see things differently

[captain_soifon]

he didnt have to he wanted to.. re-wtach the fight see how he just touches chad with his fingers and chad flies backwards.. no effort at all
Edit: This post is after suckafishes

[suckafish]

ichigo would win.

ichigo took out 3 vice captains without even using his soul slayer.

shunsui used his sword to take out chad, a vc level human

edit: on a sidenote, i REALLY wish people would atleast speak CLOSE to proper english in this thread

[captain_soifon]

close to proper english? are you referring to me? T_T

[suckafish]

he didnt have to he wanted to.. re-wtach the fight see how he just touches chad with his fingers and chad flies backwards.. no effort at all
Edit: This post is after suckafishes

wrong, he doesnt touch chad, he uses chantless demon magic. that was concentrated spirit energy that shot chad across the battlefield, not his strength. and even with that he didnt even knock out chad. ichigo didnt even NEED spirit energy to take out 3 vice captains. ichigo would win

close to proper english? are you referring to me? T_T

yes, at one point. however, that statement was generalized to everyone in the thread, not just you

[Samiizz]

Ichigo would win hands down..
if the story comes to a battle between the two.. trust me.. Ichigo would win.. or that would be the end of bleach :p

first read the below without opening the spoilers.. then read it with the spoilers.. without the spoilers is about Byakuya and Kenpachi..

and to those who said that Aizen easily defeated Ichigo.. will.. that's true because Ichigo was bearly able to stand after his fight with Byakuya..

One thing I have noticed.. ppl dont take the situation that people are in when they get defeated.. for example.. when Kenpachi lost to Ichigo the first time.. Kenpachi was drained of reitsu due to being cut by Ichigo soo many times before he powered up..
and when Ichigo went after Aizen.. he was badly hurt because he played around with Byakuya.. Ichigo purposely allowed his reitsu to be lowered to Byakuya's level by allowing byakuya to cut him a few times before unleashing bankai..

[animalistic]

Ichigo would win hands down..
if the story comes to a battle between the two.. trust me.. Ichigo would win.. or that would be the end of bleach :p

first read the below without opening the spoilers.. then read it with the spoilers.. without the spoilers is about Byakuya and Kenpachi..
with the spoilers is about Aizen and Ichigo

and to those who said that Aizen easily defeated Ichigo.. will.. that's true because Ichigo was bearly able to stand after his fight with Byakuya..

One thing I have noticed.. ppl dont take the situation that people are in when they get defeated.. for example.. when Kenpachi lost to Ichigo the first time.. Kenpachi was drained of reitsu due to being cut by Ichigo soo many times before he powered up..
and when Ichigo went after Aizen.. he was badly hurt because he played around with Byakuya.. Ichigo purposely allowed his reitsu to be lowered to Byakuya's level by allowing byakuya to cut him a few times before unleashing bankai..dude you already mentioned "him" shouldnt u put a spoiler tag when you said ichigo and "him" :p
and i think ichigo can win cuz of his abilities and his zanpaktou not becuz hez the hero!!

[Samiizz]

yea.. but I am saying that he got his abilities and zanpaktou because he is the hero.. :p

and other people alreayd mentions "him"i just put the spoilers to talk about two points at once.. ;)
outwith seeing the spoilers it's a comparison between Kenpachi and Byakuya.. by using Ichigo

with seeing the spoilers it's a comparison between Ichigo and "him" :p

[animalistic]

yea.. but I am saying that he got his abilities and zanpaktou because he is the hero.. :p

and other people alreayd mentions "him" i just put the spoilers to talk about two points at once.. ;)
outwith seeing the spoilers it's a comparison between Kenpachi and Byakuya.. by using Ichigo

with seeing the spoilers it's a comparison between Ichigo and "him":pwell if he wasnt special then the anime would be pretty lame dont you think :)

[Samiizz]

exactly.. so it's pointless talking guessing who we think would win if they fight :p

[T_Ichigo]

the main character will always win in the end and never dies ^_^ *except for some stories like titanic -___-*

ahahahah LOL! I agree Titanic is so damn tragic
:sad:

[animalistic]

ahahahah LOL! I agree Titanic is so damn tragic
:sad:
hehe, you picked a really weird quote to reply to :p

[Samiizz]

lol.. the titanic was truely tragic.. but there are some really good series where the hero dies in the end.. however.. he also kill the bad guys :p
so before Ichigo would die.. he would kill however the enemy is.. unless.. later on in the series.. the main character changes.. and if that happens.. this would be the best anime/manga ever!!

[animalistic]

lol.. the titanic was truely tragic.. but there are some really good series where the hero dies in the end.. however.. he also kill the bad guys :p
so before Ichigo would die.. he would kill however the enemy is.. unless.. later on in the series.. the main character changes.. and if that happens.. this would be the best anime/manga ever!!
actaully there is another possibilty, the hero would die then someone would revive him!!!
even if he dies like 10 times in the series!!! :p some ppl know wut im talkin bout :D

[captain_soifon]

okay with the same abilities and ichigo doesnt get the rigged because his the main character i think he will lose =)

[animalistic]

okay with the same abilities and ichigo doesnt get the rigged because his the main character i think he will lose =)
whyyyyyyyy, why do you guyz under estimate ichigo! o forget it your gonna say hez been a captain for a long time and stuff like that, well i guess it was pointless openin this thread after all since we cant really judge with the current information, any of the mods can close this if they want to

[Nood]

No, ur wrong. With the current information, we can easily tell that Ichigo would win. Also an Ichigo vs Anyone thread is pointless since Ichigo would win, how could he lose? He cant die...being immortal is a nice advantage in a battle. :)
Who can beat ichigo? Nobody, if he gets beat up he will just get some uber training go back and own him. Thats the way of the main character.
If it were like Ichigo isnt an abrnormal person only some shinigami Shinsui would win easily: kidou, expreience, DOUBLE ZANPAKUTO. But Ichigo have became Captain lvl in 2 months, do you think you can compare him with anyone? Nope.

[uh_yea]

Ichigo is just abnormal...





Sorry to dissapoint you but ichigo got owned by aizen in the manga. And the current info. is not enough if your watching only the show.

[brolijc]

WHY IS EVERYONE CHOOSING ICHIGO BECAUSE HIS THE MAIN CHARACTER OR SOMETHING? THAT IS LAME. I STILL STAND WITH SHUNSUI DUE TO MY REASONS SAID IN THE PREVIOUS POST.

By the way Ichigo fans, be prepared to get disappointed

[captain_soifon]

yup byakuya's gonna have his arse



jkjk aizen owns him after he barely beats byakuya

I tripple tag for a reason; some people simply click spoilers for the hell of it, and then whine when they get spoiled, thusly why I tripple tag a "MAJOR" spoiler. Other spoilers I don't bother with.

You're use of spoiler would just make people not bother and think the spoiler tag is broken. It might have been effective if you separated the tags onto different lines.

[animalistic]

WHY IS EVERYONE CHOOSING ICHIGO BECAUSE HIS THE MAIN CHARACTER OR SOMETHING? THAT IS LAME. I STILL STAND WITH SHUNSUI DUE TO MY REASONS SAID IN THE PREVIOUS POST.

By the way Ichigo fans, be prepared to get disappointed
and why is that?

[General Cox]

because, shinsui is rather powerful i htink is what he means :p

Shinsui was one of the first graduates from the SS school, he has also been trained by yamamoto and has an amazing flash step. Ichigo has had his power for 4 or 5 months, he is very very powerful but he doesnt know how to use it as of yet. Id say shinsui would win because he has more experience than ichigo, he can fight yamamoto toe to toe and we havent even seen his ban kai yet!

[animalistic]

because, shinsui is rather powerful i htink is what he means :p

Shinsui was one of the first graduates from the SS school, he has also been trained by yamamoto and has an amazing flash step. Ichigo has had his power for 4 or 5 months, he is very very powerful but he doesnt know how to use it as of yet. Id say shinsui would win because he has more experience than ichigo, he can fight yamamoto toe to toe and we havent even seen his ban kai yet!
how the hell do you knw that he can fight yamamoto when we didnt even see their fight PLUS ukitake was with him!

[Nood]

Well probably Shunsui would win.
But if we set it as a part of the story Ichigo MUST win.

[brolijc]

I see Ichigo fans keep on saying he will win everyone if it's a part of the story, then i will tell you soon you will be disappointed

[General Cox]

lol i know brolic, some poeple just cant see two sides of the coin

animalistic, yamamoto is so brutal that ichigo's power is laughable to him, utikate and shinsui are needed to fight him. Utikate and shinsui could take ichigo on their own most probably as they are both more powerful than byakuya. also some things that are in the manga that i cba to mention here.

why dont you bring up some hard facts on how ichigo would win? and this pap about ichigo being the main character and wouldnt lose is rubbish and does not stand as proof, he lost against byakuya before, or did you forget that?

[A2k]

Simply because Ichigo is the main character does not mean that anyone he comes up against will be defeated by him. If that were the case, I'd actually throw in the towel; watching the anime, reading the manga, and actually...I'd probably sack ever looking at anything to do with Bleach ever again.

It's simply predictable, boring and unentertaining.

As Coxy said, Byakuya destroyed Ichigo when they last met, and he's just torn Renji limb from limb.

Granted Ichigo has just risen a lot in the rankings with new found power, a miniscule amount of experience through fighting a great many Zangetsu's for training purposes, but as far as actual experience goes, he pails in comparrison to the likes of Byakuya, Ukitake, Shunsui, and most Captains now that I think about it.

[animalistic]

Simply because Ichigo is the main character does not mean that anyone he comes up against will be defeated by him. If that were the case, I'd actually throw in the towel; watching the anime, reading the manga, and actually...I'd probably sack ever looking at anything to do with Bleach ever again.

It's simply predictable, boring and unentertaining.

As Coxy said, Byakuya destroyed Ichigo when they last met, and he's just torn Renji limb from limb.

Granted Ichigo has just risen a lot in the rankings with new found power, a miniscule amount of experience through fighting a great many Zangetsu's for training purposes, but as far as actual experience goes, he pails in comparrison to the likes of Byakuya, Ukitake, Shunsui, and most Captains now that I think about it.
i never said that ichigo would win cuz hez the hero!!! i said that he has wut it takes to beat shinsui, atleast thats my opinion, and i think ichigoz bankai would kick just bout anybody ass, except for 1st division ofcourse
hey a2k since your here i wanna request to join your division :D

[brolijc]

lol a2k was that considered a spoiler? since i didn't say anything out. sorry

anyway. Also, Ichigo might be improving like hell in a short time to a captain's level. But they did not specify the 'Captain's level' Ichigo was at.

Lets just say this basketball coach told his students that whichever 12 people can score in 30 3-points shots in a row will be included in the school team, meaning people who represent the school to play in competitions. Ichigo MIGHT only just score 30 3-points shots in a row, just nice, whereas there are captains like Ukitake or Shunsui which had scored 90 or 100 3-points shots in a row. We can't really say Ichigo is that strong just because people say he is at a captain's level, we do not know the scale they meant

[A2k]

No it wasn't a direct spoiler brolijc, but it had insinuations that people might not expect, so I was simply being cautious. ^_^

animalistic, I was merely being general about the comment, as a lot of people have the impression that because Ichigo is the hero of the series he wont get touched by anyone.

Nice anology brolijc, it works well to explain the different types of level.

animalistic, that is your opinion, and you are fully entitled to that, and no one can take that away from you. However some may disagree with you.

Personally, I do; as Coxy said it is taking both Ukitake and Shunsui to stand against Yammamoto and when they clashed it was a similar equivalency to the initial clash you see between Urahara and Ichigo during his training back on Earth. Now if you consider the difference in Ichigo's level then, to what it is now, you must surely gather that there is a power gap between the two at that point.

So, considering this difference, you get some idea of the clash between Ukitake and Shunsui, and Yama Jii.

Two on one, and there is still that power gap to bridge between them. o.o

If it takes both Ukitake and Shunsui to battle against Yammamoto, and we know that Yammamoto is simply terrifying with the power his Reiatsu kicks out, it can easilly be deduced that at his current state Ichigo would more likely than not be defeated by only Ukitake or Shunsui.

I think possibly Ukitake might have a more difficult time due to his illness, but with this said, we do not know either of their Shi Kai abilities either.

[penecow290]

I think possibly Ukitake might have a more difficult time due to his illness, but with this said, we do not know either of their Shi Kai abilities either.
or bankai for that matter so i just dunno

[brolijc]

and people sometimes say that because we didn't know exactly captain Z's power, we will think that he will most probably lose to main character Z. Sometimes the answer is pretty obvious, we can't just judge everything we see, if so, then we can take Ichigo slashing Urahara's hat off and say that Ichigo can beat or on a par with Urahara. We know that Shunsui and Ukitake are one of the first captains, you tell me one of the first captains are weak!? No way man, just like when we see Aizen fight against those huge hollows in episode 46, i think most of us didn't actually think that Aizen was all so powerful at first that he can destroy such a huge hollow with his bare hands!

[Sgt.Reaper]

I would say Shinsui, due to greater experience and i think he is rather powerful since old yama hold him in such hight regard.

[animalistic]

oo seems like ichigo is winnin again :D

[Viqu]

Shunsui would most likely win. Now just because Ichigo has his bankai it means nothing compared to shunsui i mean he is battleing the first division captain. I bet anything Ichigo would not be able to take the first division captain. That alone should explain the whole different level shunsui is on.

edited:spelling

[General Cox]

yeah, is you think about it, how long has shunsui had his ban kai for? just think how uber it will be, and im not sure if ichigo would have been able to beat tousin tbh, while zaraki was able to :/

once ichigo gets more experience and more comfortable with his sword im sure he would be able to give all the captain a run for their money, but that takes years rather than days to learn all the secrets of your sword and master them

[Samiizz]

althought I would like to agree to what you are saying.. I noticed something
If any of the captains get hit by Ichigo's Shikai attack.. the one that destroyed the executioners guard.. they will be WIPED out of existance..
simply put.. his ShiKai seems more powerful that all their BanKais
atleast that is what the Anime/Manga showed..

[T_Ichigo]

I don't really understand that .. who will be wiped out of existence ? and for what reasons ?

[Viqu]

The executioners Guard is an object with little if any spiritual force. It prolly is just held sacred and everyone was amazed that he would destroy such a thing. Its more impressive he held off the actualy attack of that execution soul slayer.

[Samiizz]

I might be mistaken.. but I think that the executioner's guard can stand against 1000 or 1000,000 soul slayers.. a little difference between the manga and anime.. but it's somewhere between these two numbers..
and if he broke that with just his Shikai.. then he can wipe out any of the captains..
all the captains knew that they can't have even put a dent in the guard.. and I believe Soi Fong expressed how powerful that guard was.. or something like that..

[brolijc]

that 1000 or 1000000 zanpakutohs, they didnt tell us the scale, 1000 or whatever number it is. Perharps 3 captains' zanpakutohs combined is already 10000 zanpakutohs, we don't know exactly

[animalistic]

he didnt exactly destroy it but he was able to stop its attack and he didnt seem to be putting much effort in it :p , and its 1000 zanpakutohs, in the anime atleast

[Nood]

http://www.bleachportal.net/gallery/images2/Bleach%2054/Bleach%2054_058.jpg

This is the thing you talking about. Ichigo destroyed the guard that held Rukia in it. That big Blade or wtf (its name starts with an S but i dont remember it perfectly) has the power of 1000 or idonnohowmany zanpakutos and can deflect an equal number, not the guard. Its true that he stopped it, but probably the sword stopped, not Ichigo made it stop with power. Also, the sword wanted to kill a defensless women, not a captain level shinigami with a flying cape and an all-time released zanpakuto. Probably after that Ichigo would die from the second attack of that executioner thing, but the other captains stop it.
And Ichigo only destroyed the guard, nobody ever said anything about that guard or how strong it is, but it was probably strong. - not so strong, probably any captain could have brake but who could have tried? nobody?

[animalistic]

http://www.bleachportal.net/gallery/images2/Bleach%2054/Bleach%2054_058.jpg

This is the thing you talking about. Ichigo destroyed the guard that held Rukia in it. That big Blade or wtf (its name starts with an S but i dont remember it perfectly) has the power of 1000 or idonnohowmany zanpakutos and can deflect an equal number, not the guard. Its true that he stopped it, but probably the sword stopped, not Ichigo made it stop with power. Also, the sword wanted to kill a defensless women, not a captain level shinigami with a flying cape and an all-time released zanpakuto. Probably after that Ichigo would die from the second attack of that executioner thing, but the other captains stop it.
And Ichigo only destroyed the guard, nobody ever said anything about that guard or how strong it is, but it was probably strong. - not so strong, probably any captain could have brake but who could have tried? nobody?
first of all, when ichigo stopped its first attack, it was sooo obvious that it wasnt normal cuz all the captains were starin and soifon said sumthin like "how can he stop the attack power of 1000 zanpakutohs with only 1!!! wuts is he???"
second when he destroyed the stand, that was even more obvious cuz first rukia tryed to stop probably to tell him that it was useless cuz it was too strong and all of the captains were starting, again!!! and we could all see how surprised captain ukitake was!!!, then the vice captain was like "HE BROKE THEM!!!" so i think thats more than enough

[General Cox]

ah but then if your saying that he hsould be able to beat any captain easily, and from the looks of it he was having to try against byakuya that isnt happening.

maybe soi fong found it amazing because she doesnt have that much spirit power to be able to do that, byakuya seemed unamused and shunsui was a little surprised but tbh wasnt shocked like wee soi fong

[brolijc]

come on, its just like you see a baby stopping a knife being aimed at him. Thats what the captains are thinking, in my point of view. I'm very sure that if he were to get hit the 2nd time he will be screwed, as the phoniex thingy will attack with full power etc. But luckily for Ichigo Ukitake came out

[Viqu]

Indeed i think he was very lucky Ukitake showed up. I mean if it was only at like 1/10,000 then that means he woulda been screwed. It doesnt take that much to kill a unarmed bound shinigami so why use full power?

[Nood]

Probably they were surprised because nobody ever tried to do that.
Dont think Ichigo is godlike...Probably if the captains werent so stupid they would just bang him 2v1 and kill him.
Of course its not normal to stop that "attack" - it wasnt an attack, it was a execution - and also, the show is full of these "OMG HOW MUCH SPIRIT PUWER" so it doesnt mean anything.
Renji was like that too when they met in the mortal world first "OMG WHAT REIATSU"...even in the first episode "OMG HE BROKE THE BIND"... if Ichigo moves a muscle everyone starts to stare at him...

byakuya seemed unamused But thats not really a good point, hes always like that :D

Edit: Ohh and sicne there wasnt a clash between the phoenix and zangetsu, probably Ichigo just flew there and the phoenix stopped like "WTF? FLYING SHINIGAMI!?!?" :D Or smthn like that...i dont think that he hit the sword.

[animalistic]

no it did hit the sword, it was kind of obvious dont you think cuz soifon said that he stopped it, and the issue bout not usin its full strength, well it could be true but therez really no way to now

[Sgt.Reaper]

It is supposed to be a million( TRUST THE MANGA RATHER THAN ANIME(ALSO READ MULTIPLE TRANSLATIONS FOR THIS ONE)) Also they are most likly referring to normal strenght Zanpaktou like the ones the averrage non seated shinigami run around with.

And it was the Halbeard that had the strenght of so many they never said anything about the Execution stand itself.
The only one that said anything regarding the satnd was Rukia who said "Stop it Ichigo, you cant possibly..." or something alike. She then reffered to(most likly annyway) that Ichigo with the strenght she tought he had (she probobly never would have thought that he would be that strong) wouldnt be able to destroy it.

[Nood]

Well, if i stand in front of a car and it stops before me than i stopped the car.
I can make something stop, and i can force something stop. And it would be ridiculeus that Ichigo stopped it by holding Zangetsu in hes back...it probably shouldnt stop a Bird made of FIRE no matter what.

[animalistic]

ya but she already witnessed his reiatsu which was at captain level when he fought byakuya at the bridge

[Nood]

Yea but shes stupid and she forget it.
Anyway back then she came out of that idonnowhat tower where he didnt felt any reiatsu for 2 weeks or idonnohowmuch so after that getting outside and facing first a captain level reiatsu - byakuya - than Ichigo than another captain...i think she might didnt feel the diffrence there...it would be like opening ur eyes after a month of darkness, u would see a black guy as white too. So back then i think she was pretty confused...

[brolijc]

also, lets just say Ichigo stopped it, that doesn't mean anything, it means that most, if not all, captains can stop it too

[animalistic]

also, lets just say Ichigo stopped it, that doesn't mean anything, it means that most, if not all, captains can stop it too
thats not true, ichigo stopped it not only becuz of his power but becuz of the kick as zanpakutoh zangetsu :headbang:

[Makaze]

er...this has verred a bit of topic has it not. I say shunui due to the ultimate alliance of alcohol and sharp objects. And....experience too i supose...

[Nood]

thats not true, ichigo stopped it not only becuz of his power but becuz of the kick as zanpakutoh zangetsu :headbang:

Ohh than i get back to topic and say that Shunsui could stop it twice as good because he has DOUBLE kick ass zanpakuto. Thats way more ownage than Zangetsu...

[brolijc]

if you say because of the Zangetsu then i can say Shunsui can do it much better since his Zanpakutoh is in a pair and one of them is already at the size of Zangetsu

[JamesThePhox]

*sigh* Another impossible comparative thread.

You can't compare them. Ichigo has fought Byakuya, Renji, and Kenpachi.

Shunsui fought Yamamoto and Chad.

There's no possible way to connect them comparatively.

If you take into account everything we've seen and any information we've heard, it's still hard to make educated guesses.

If I had to pick one, I would probably pick Shunsui. Shunsui can Flash Step better than any Captain, except Yamamoto. He's experienced and Yamamoto obviously knows that Shunsui is a seasoned fighter who's intelligent and incredibly high reiatsu. He wields one of the strongest Zanpakutohs and was one of the first Captains to be initiated into the Gotei 13 by Yamamoto himself.

However, I do not know how strong his Reiatsu is compared to Ichigo's. Whether Kyouraku can destroy the Soukyoku stand by himself. If not, then Ichigo might win.

We know way too little information. =/

[Z_Blitz]

At his current level... Ichigo will lose without a doubt... shunsui is a level way over his head...

[Squire]

Shunsui will not beat the force of IiiiiiChiiiiiiGooooooo. Muahahahahaha. For one, not much infor on Shunsui. Two, if Ichigo can beat a couple vice capatain and beat kenpachi and is fighting hand in hand with Byaku, then there is nothing really to anaylze.

[Gundamblueriver]

It's too close to call. We know nothing about Shunsui's Bankai except for the fact that he has it. And Ichigo Has a really fasts Bankai, but you aren't supposed to know that yet. But you guys'll figure out in one or two more episodes. Haha
Really, without knowing Shunsui's full power, we can't really compare them yet.

[animalistic]

i just wanted to point out this, in terms of power believe me zangetsu is the strongest, even though they never said it straight away you can tell, even the way zangetsu looks tells you thats very powerfull, as for skills im not too sure yet, and even though almost everyone is sayin that shinsui would win, the votes are still pretty close

[Nood]

Zangetsu looks the most powerful?
Im pretty sure this isnt true.
Komamuras bankai looks a bit more powerful than Zangetsu. Dont say something like "It looks...".
Probably yes, Ichigo will be the most powerful that a rule in animes... but thx to Kubotites brain they had put in things that can nullify power. With an ability, like Yumichika's, Kira's, Aizen's...And we still dont know what bankai or shikai Shunsui has, maybe hes shikai is to turn any enemy into a fat pig, so he could easily own Ichigo.

[Z_Blitz]

i just wanted to point out this, in terms of power believe me zangetsu is the strongest, even though they never said it straight away you can tell, even the way zangetsu looks tells you thats very powerfull, as for skills im not too sure yet, and even though almost everyone is sayin that shinsui would win, the votes are still pretty close Zangetsu does look like a very powerful sword... but what about experience? Skills of the user? All of these are factors contribute to the win or loss of Ichigo... Shunsui is more experienced and is very skilled at using his sword as previously shown when he fought Chad...

[animalistic]

thats why i agree that this thread is pretty much pointless, cuz we really dunno much bout shinsui/ukitake , and therez no way you can use the fight wit chad as an example, first we didnt really see if he was skilled with his swords cuz he didnt really do anythin, second chad, is at most at VC level if not lower, and you guyz saw wut ichigo did to the VCz at ep 55 didnt you

[Fariswheel]

I think that it would have to be Shinsui because Ichiago cannot believe that anyone could beat Chad and then Shinsui does.

[animalistic]

I think that it would have to be Shinsui because Ichiago cannot believe that anyone could beat Chad and then Shinsui does.
here we go with chad again!!! im not gonna keep repeatin myself so just look at my earlier posts and you will understand

[Fariswheel]

It doesn't matter what level you think chad is at. It the way that ichiago perceves the relative strength of everyone.

[animalistic]

It doesn't matter what level you think chad is at. It the way that ichiago perceves the relative strength of everyone.
i have no idea wut you just said, but ichigo vs chad ichigo would win in a minute and without usin his zanpakutoh

[Fariswheel]

i have no idea wut you just said, but ichigo vs chad ichigo would win in a minute and without usin his zanpakutoh


That wasn't the idea, and he would have to use his zanpakato. THe idea was he thought chad was really strong, it does not matter what chads actual level is, but the fact that ichiago believed he could not be beaten, so once he was it would show that Shusui is stronger.

[uh_yea]

People are still posting in this thread >_<;

[captain_soifon]

u just did, dont underestimate shunsui

[ramonnl]

Ichigo hessss much stronger now you will see :redbiggri

[brolijc]

Ichigo hessss much stronger now you will see :redbiggri

But still not strong enough to beat Shunsui

[ZanIchiRaist]

Shinsui has all the experience and skill in the world over Ichigo...but...GETSUGA TENSHOU pwns j00....hehe....that reminds me of kiba and akamaru....GETSUGA! i dunno how to spell it....

[Nood]

Shinsui has all the experience and skill in the world over Ichigo...but...GETSUGA TENSHOU pwns j00....hehe....that reminds me of kiba and akamaru....GETSUGA! i dunno how to spell it....
Yeah, its Gatsuuga or what but that was my first thought too when i heard the name :D
Cant wait for Shunsui's shikai, than we willb e able to continue this "discussion"

[Fariswheel]

Yeah, its Gatsuuga or what but that was my first thought too when i heard the name :D
Cant wait for Shunsui's shikai, than we willb e able to continue this "discussion"
the shikai would not matter so much, what would matter is the bankai.

[Nood]

the shikai would not matter so much, what would matter is the bankai.

If the shikai turns people into poo instantly than it counts :P

[koreasamurai]

ichigo since all his powers r still yet 2 b discovered since that last time when ichigo fought the menos, ishida needed 2 shoot all his power he couldn't control away

[Fariswheel]

ichigo since all his powers r still yet 2 b discovered since that last time when ichigo fought the menos, ishida needed 2 shoot all his power he couldn't control away

What does that have to do with any thing, I thought that Menos were mencemeat for captains, this isn't Ichiago vs. Ishida its Ichiago vs. the eighth captian.

[Raku]

Ichigo wont know what hit him. He just dont have enough experience with it comes to fightin ppl that use 2 weapons. Only he faced doing that was Ikaku.. and well this is a whole other lvl of 2 sword fightin so I gotta say Shunsui

[Z_Blitz]

Ichigo wont know what hit him. He just dont have enough experience with it comes to fightin ppl that use 2 weapons. Only he faced doing that was Ikaku.. and well this is a whole other lvl of 2 sword fightin so I gotta say ShunsuiI said this once... but since you mentioned it I agree with what you said...

[Bleach(ed)]

Look how fast shunsui draws his sword....but then again ichigo is the main character therefore he cant die now can he?...so i will say they are both equal...

[Fariswheel]

Look how fast shunsui draws his sword....but then again ichigo is the main character therefore he cant die now can he?...so i will say they are both equal...

It doesn't matter that he is the main character I doubt that they will ever actually fight, the point is what would happen if they did, so Ichiago would not get the fact that he is the main character to support him.

[Raku]

I said this once... but since you mentioned it I agree with what you said...


Ehhh sorru sorru too lazy to look at evry post :p:

[brolijc]

why are people saying that Ichigo will win because he haven't relise his fullest potential, haven't mastered his Zanpakutoh yet etc. When we say someone vs someone that means till now, the power they have at either the latest episode or manga chapter are what they will possess... if not i can just say man 1 can win man 2, because 100000 years later he is so strong bla bla bla

[Raku]

why are people saying that Ichigo will win because he haven't relise his fullest potential, haven't mastered his Zanpakutoh yet etc. When we say someone vs someone that means till now, the power they have at either the latest episode or manga chapter are what they will possess... if not i can just say man 1 can win man 2, because 100000 years later he is so strong bla bla bla


Yup I agree :whatevah:

[krnxboi012]

ichigo hands down

[Fariswheel]

It would be shusui. He has more experiance and he has two swords. He seems to have master flash steps and I think could match Ichiago in speed.

Yama thought that he was quite powerful, and doesn't seem to be shocked at Ichiago when he appears. So I don't believe that their could be a shocking power differeance. Shusui might seem suprised in episode 54, but unlike Soi Fong he doesn't panic at the express of power.

[ProphetX]

Ichigo..Obviously XD
And faris , you have to remeber the growth rate of Ichigo vs the other dude.
Imagine giving Ichigo 1,000 years of training. Imagine. lol

[MVIK]

Shunsui would win easily... he's trained by Yamamoto himself and is 1 of the 2-bladed sword. Beside's he has more experience than Ichigo.

[Nakks]

Cant Realli Judge This Fight Its Not By Experience Or Trained By Who Technically Its All about Skill,ichigo Has The Upper Hand in Speed If Shunsui's Zapaktou Cant Catch HIm Think Shun Will Be Seriously Cut Up

[Nood]

Yeah but Shunsui is probably hella fast. Even if hes not as fast as Ichigo's bankai. But he wont get cut up just by that... and ppls stop saying "ofcourse ichigo" because u seen hes bankai just now, when we get to see Shunsui's bankai and shikai maybe ichigo wouldnt have a chance.

[Nakks]

Technically i can agree wif your pt but as i said Ichigo is strong But seriously With Ichigo's Rate Of Progress He'll Win And Futhermore He's The Main Character 100% win

[jkdj2005]

Hmm... Ichigo vs. Shunsui. I think it would be a great fight for sure. But for me I can't really predict a winner since I haven't seen Shunsui's level of power or fighting strategies. We know alot about ichigo's abilities and potential but that is it. For me it is still too early to tell.

[Nood]

But if he wasnt the main character he would have already died, as the otherones of the team would have been eliminated and Rukia would have been executed too.

[konman]

well even though shunsuiz shikai looks pretty cool i dont think it would be that effective as for speed

we havent even seen it in action


we know NOTHING about shunsui and his abilities except that he was one of the first captains and was personally trained by yama. its too hard to make a real decision on this

[zembu]

ill say Shinsui. ichigo is cool and all but shinsui has over a thousand years of experience and training over ichigo and his zanpankuto is probably really strong

[Ti1301]

I was watching an old episode last nigtht.
The one wheree they fight jidanbou.
LUNAR sub.
You'll notic they constatnly say he will overcome what the death gods have have that he lacks (experience) with Power.
Just wanted to throw that in. =P

[captain_soifon]

yup thats y he trained wiht urahara for 5 days straight
Edit: I would think that overtime he should become stronger than all death gods

[Lovekiller93]

Shunsui hasn't shown us his bankai, and he hasn't shown us the abilities of his shikai, either, don't forget that Shunsui has more experience, and was trained under Yamamoto.
Although its true that Ichigo is pretty strong, i highly doubt that he can beat Shunsui.

[h0f5]

DUDE STOP REPLYING TO YEAR OLD POSTS.

ichigo.

[Chrono Detector]

Didn't know this thread was old.

Voted for Shunshi. He is fast, look how he defeated Chad, just like that. And not to mention that he is a captain as well.

[SoundWave]

Atm. I would go for Shinsui... Ichigo doesn't seem strong enough yet... Plus we haven't seen Shinsui's bankai..

[Byakuya Teichou]

Shinsui would win because, he just has the experience sorry.

[Littlelegs]

Shinsui would win because hes badass,experienced, and one of the stronger captains

[Mavvy]

With the current state Ichigo is in, he cant win against Shunsui. Ichigo doesnt have enough experience with his Bankai yet.

[hitsugaya131]

shunsui willl win
being one of the first captains so he has more of the experience...

[Silhouette]

Bah. Got up to page 2, saw where this topic was heading, and decided to just post and not read all 11 pages. So sorry if I repeat something..

Ok. I haven't seen the Ichigo vs Byakuya fight in awhile, but correct me if I'm wrong. Ichigo barely beat Byakuya, right? I mean, at the end of the fight, Byakuya still had enough energy to flash step away, and Ichigo fell in a pool of his own blood (like always)?

Shinsui is one of the first captains. And yes, there is a significant power gap between elder captains and the newer ones.
{Spoiler?}We've seen this with how easily Aizen beat most of the captains.{End Spoiler}

Simply saying that Ichigo will win because he is the main character is just stupid. Look at Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho.. It's his show, and he dies in the first episode. :rolleye09 (That was a joke.. Don't flame me! :whatevah: ) A lot of anime main characters lose to their rivals..
{Naruto Spoiler}Like when Sasuke wtfpwned Naruto. Even though it is obvious that it's Sasuke's show. :rolleye09 {End Naruto Spoiler}

Saying that Ichigo will win because he is the hero is also wrong. Are you saying that Shinsui is evil? Although it is usually true that battles between heros end in a draw, or with the main hero winning, I just can't see Ichigo beating Shinsui just yet..

GF!

[Undying]

This thread is so old... started back in 2005! Anyway the answer is simple.
Ichigo will pwn.

[hellrockz]

shunsui would win cuz if i am nt rong... ichigo does not hav a bankai in truth isnt it? after all shunsui is one experinced (to the extreme) captain with a twin zanpatou and u saw how chado lost so easily?

[T_Ichigo]

omg, the answer IS EXTREMELY OBVIOUS, it will definitely be Shunsui, he is really powerful, trust me, with Ichigo's current skills, he can't win, probably in the furture

excuse me lady, but we neither have seen Shunsui's battle style or the abilities of his zankaptou, for those reasons, you can't just say "omg, the answer IS EXTREMELY OBVIOUS, it will definitely be Shunsui,". But sure, you may speculate, it's funny, so yeah :D.

I myself have no idea, honestly I don't like "who would win-threads" so YAMERO!!!

[Undying]

Please God, let this thread die in peace and don't make me shoot it.

[Yuki]

Would win Shunsui... For the experience I guess... It would be a very interesting fight, but difficult to happen... :S

[Undying]

See what you did, Shadwmask? Now I shoot this thread and it can't die peacefully.

It is way too old and I don't see the reason to continue this senseless debate who of these two will win. For anyone interested, the one you like best would win, the you like less would die. If you like them equally it's a draw.

End. Of. Discussion.