Because it also takes skill to win a fight

[the454casull]

After reading through several threads in this forum, as well as several others, I started noticing a trend that was somewhat disturbing to me. It seems that most people Judge certain characters abilities to beat other characters by the amount of power the characters have. I personally think that there are several other factors that can play a huge role in how some fights turn out, i.e Skill, Battle experience, intelligence, and speed, to name a few. And, Yes, I understand the whole "if your not as strong as your opponent you can't cut them" thing.....but who ever said you HAD to cut them to win? For example, in ch. 201 & 202 When Rukia beats Dee Roy (yes, he was defeated, maybe not dead, but definitely beaten) I saw alot of threads whre people were saying he was probably very weak or other such remarks, but I think he probably WAS stronger than her, but due to her Zanpakuto's ability combined with her own knowledge and quick thinking, plus a bit of carelessness on Dee Roy's part, she was able to beat him with a certain ease. Anyway, if you should decide to post, please try and keep from putting others down... it's not nice. :redbiggri

[Constantine]

I personaly believe speed kills, and coupled with wit and prowess. Thats deadly.

But as far as skill, turn to the Ichigo vs Kenpachi fight.

Hell turn, to the Ichigo vs anyoen fight. Guy has little experience and he still topples 'em.

[Sandal Hat]

I personaly believe speed kills, and coupled with wit and prowess. Thats deadly.

But as far as skill, turn to the Ichigo vs Kenpachi fight.

Hell turn, to the Ichigo vs anyoen fight. Guy has little experience and he still topples 'em.
I totally agree with you, except it has been revealed that Dee Roy was one of the weak Arrancars not to mention he was careless which could explain why he got beat so easily.

[the454casull]

Ok, You got me on that one, heh, sometime I guess it goes to the old " better lucky than good" thing, also, I realize now, after looking over the topic again, that I made it sound like Power isn't a factor, I apoligize, I didn't mean for it to sound like that, What I really meant was more like those instances where both fighters are close to the same strength, or a 2 on one thing, ya know, but thanks for your input, I appreciate it, considering that tis is my FIRST EVER THREAD!!!!!!Yay for me!!:)

[SumpfFuchs]

other than ichigo it seems to be that experence is a major factor in who will win.. if its ichigo.. well then i guess it is whoever goes crying to their zanpakuto's avatar first.

[brolijc]

the454casull: you totally speak my mind, i totally agree with you on that

[General Cox]

i think rukia was stronger than dee roy tbh, she even says herself that was easy for her.

but yeah i agree, check the ichigo vs forums and you get the die hard ichigo fans just saying he is stronger :p skill definately comes into it, tousin could probably beat most people with his ban kai even if they were stronger for instance, just happend that zaraki has no fear at all, making him hard to kill like that :p

[brolijc]

yup, don't know why people can't see just how powerful Tousen's Ban Kai is and how he will trash almost all the captains when he uses it. but worse still, i see people saying Shunsui losing to Ichigo, that is madness...

[Capthxc]

yup, don't know why people can't see just how powerful Tousen's Ban Kai is and how he will trash almost all the captains when he uses it. but worse still, i see people saying Shunsui losing to Ichigo, that is madness...

I tottally agree with you on that. From what we have seen so far tousen has an insane bankai and its one of my favorite, it was just crappy luck that he got matched agaisnt zaraki. If it was almost any other captain they would have been screwed. And as far as the whole Shunsui losing to ichigo thing i dont think too many people who say that have been paying attention to the series. Ichigo has a hard time fighting byukuya who really doesnt seem as powerful as say yama-jii or shunsui or ukitaki. And the thing is, that making a fight like that seems rather pointless to me, since we havnt really seen what shunsui can do, all we pretty much know is he has an insane shunpo(?) is one of the oldest captains in SS, and wields one of the only duel zampakatous.

[Sir_unforgiven]

yup, don't know why people can't see just how powerful Tousen's Ban Kai is and how he will trash almost all the captains when he uses it. but worse still, i see people saying Shunsui losing to Ichigo, that is madness...
i don't think that's madness at all, considering the only person we've actually seen him fight is chad, there is no way to measure his abilities

[captain_soifon]

i think its madness xD, shunsui and utitake are suppose to be superior captains

[Polygon]

Of course there're other factors then brute strengh. And for what its worth Ichigo couldn't cut Kenpachi because there was a HUGE difference in poer. Tousen would of course be able to cut him since we've seen him. There is skill, speed, experience, strengh, cleverness and many other factors. Some people prefer speed while others say prefer strengh. But you're a fool if you think that any one of these things alone can win a fight. Some people think they can kick someones ass simply because they can bench more than the other person. I have showed a few people who thought so that this is not true. The graetest warriors are NEVER just strenght.

[brolijc]

Sir_Unforgiven, i have quite reliable findings which i gave me enough reasons to say that that Ukitake and Shunsui are strong, i post it somewhere in the anime forum, forgot which thread. but i will post it again

1)Shunsui=Ukitake 2)Shunsui>Ukitake 3)Shunsui<Ukitake

these 2 captains are either equal in power or one better than the other, but their difference in power is not alot, very little, should be around the same.

Ukitake is strong, how can we see? I actually do not have solid proof, but

1) Ukitake stopped Byakuya's Shi Kai with one hand when Youruichi had to stop it with some kind of bandage thingy

2) Ukitake is one of the first captains

3) Before Aizen left for the hollow world, he told Ukitake,"Since the beggining, no one has ever stood in the heavens", notice the next sentence what he said,"NEITHER YOU, NOR I" we can all see that Aizen is a pretty arrogant person, proud of his powers, do not think others can match up to him, but look at what he said to Ukitake, why would he say Ukitake haven't stood in the heavens? It means he must be hell strong too.

Now for Shunsui

1) One of the 1st captains

2) a 2 finger attack that actually make Chad fall so helplessely and so far

3) Soi Fong said during the execution ground,"Only the powerful 8th squad" Why would she say that? Simple, because the 8th division is strong, meaning that the captain is strong too.

If Ukitake is strong, then it means that Shunsui is strong. Simple

[koreasamurai]

i concur with speed skills completely. Strength doesn't do as much when the person is slow. Its the same thing with bullets. its just a really fast piece of metal

[captain_soifon]

"Soi Fong said during the execution ground,"Only the powerful 8th squad" Why would she say that? Simple, because the 8th division is strong, meaning that the captain is strong too."

actually i think she was refferring to the captain directly cos she was saying where were all the captains and pointing out that he was there

[brolijc]

yes i actually wanted to say that, but was afraid some lamers will argue and say that what she refers to was the squad, not the captain. So i say both the squad and the captain

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

When I say that a character is "stronger", I don't neccessarily mean physical strength. What I mean is that the character has abilities that are above the other characters.

Example: Yourichi is stronger than Kenpachi, in my opinion... but Kenpachi is definately physically stronger.

[the454casull]

Sorry for posting off topic, especially in my own thread, but I just wanted to express my thanks to everyone who has posted here. I never thought this would gain such a great response, especially considering this is only my second ever thread, and the first time I've ever joined a forum. any way, thanks again everyone, and please, continue posting with your opinions1 :biggthump

[Sir_unforgiven]

Sir_Unforgiven, i have quite reliable findings which i gave me enough reasons to say that that Ukitake and Shunsui are strong, i post it somewhere in the anime forum, forgot which thread. but i will post it again

1)Shunsui=Ukitake 2)Shunsui>Ukitake 3)Shunsui<Ukitake

these 2 captains are either equal in power or one better than the other, but their difference in power is not alot, very little, should be around the same.

Ukitake is strong, how can we see? I actually do not have solid proof, but

1) Ukitake stopped Byakuya's Shi Kai with one hand when Youruichi had to stop it with some kind of bandage thingy

2) Ukitake is one of the first captains

3) Before Aizen left for the hollow world, he told Ukitake,"Since the beggining, no one has ever stood in the heavens", notice the next sentence what he said,"NEITHER YOU, NOR I" we can all see that Aizen is a pretty arrogant person, proud of his powers, do not think others can match up to him, but look at what he said to Ukitake, why would he say Ukitake haven't stood in the heavens? It means he must be hell strong too.

Now for Shunsui

1) One of the 1st captains

2) a 2 finger attack that actually make Chad fall so helplessely and so far

3) Soi Fong said during the execution ground,"Only the powerful 8th squad" Why would she say that? Simple, because the 8th division is strong, meaning that the captain is strong too.

If Ukitake is strong, then it means that Shunsui is strong. Simple
actually that isn't what aizen said to ukitake
ukitake - "what are you trying to do?"
aizen - "to go higher"
ukitake - "have you fallen in the process, aizen?!..."
aizen - "you are too arogant, ukitake. no one starts...on top of the world, not you, not me not, even the gods, but the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. from now on...i will be sitting on it"

in no way does this sound like he is complimenting or recognizing ukitake's strength, now i'm not saying shunsui and ukitake are weak, i am sure they will turn out to be incredibly powerful, but just at the moment there isn't really much proof as to how powerful they are exactly, except for the word of yamamoto, we havn't seen them fight anyone at their level so i don't think you can accurately, on a side note the only one i think aizen recognized the power of was maybe ichigo because he said he was "really interesting for a human"

[captain_soifon]

who are the subbers for your manga? and this is your second thread ~~ ive only made three in total

[sto67]

where does ukitake stop byakuya's shikai with one hand again?

[brolijc]

Sir_Unforgiven: we do not know exactly what is Aizen thinking, I don't think that even Gin, who is quite close to him, knows exactly what he is thinking

Sto67: when they fought on the bridge

[sniperz]

yea.. not really fighting. ukitakte just stopped his attacks by smacking his hand like tat lol~

[brolijc]

he hold onto Byakuya's hand

[Sgt.Reaper]

I totally agree with "the454Casull" been trying to get ppl to understand that speed,wits and foremost experience is very important, strenght is still a big factor but almost everyone totally forgets wits and experience.

And dont mention Ichgo as a example against this, he is the main character after all and that makes it abit of a special case.

[captain_soifon]

yea experience is very important thats y urahara trained with ichigo 5 days

[ramonnl]

Speed and power the 2 best skills to win something! :biggrinki

[Sgt.Reaper]

What is speed and strenght if you dont know how to use it properly, and that my friend you learn from experience.

[Fariswheel]

Skill is always important, Iciago proves this, he is a wimp until he goes and trains to be able to use all of his power.

[Sgt.Reaper]

But i would still say ichigo is an exception since he is the main character, rules dont always apply

[Fariswheel]

But i would still say ichigo is an exception since he is the main character, rules dont always apply

Umm, I was agreeing with you, he just trains fast because he is the main. It would be really boring to watch him train for several hundred years, but bleach would continue for a very long time.

Yoruchi: Ichiago do another fiften million pushups you aren't strong enough yet.