*big spoilers* DID YOU NOTICE?

[captain_soifon]

near the start of episode 20 kenpachi says that tousen and ichimaru are the only ones scared of death.



Tousen and ichimaru are the ones that work for aizen and betray everyone. Was kenpachi so smart that he knew all along or had an idea? oO. Did ichimaru and tousen join aizen so they wouldnt die? Or was all of this just a Coincidence? What do you think of this?

Simply putting "*big Spoilers*" in the title doesn't cut it for something this big. It doesn't cut it period, but something of this magnitutde really doesn't fly. This is the anime section, a question like this would be more suited to the manga section. You may delete the spoiler tags once I have moved the thread.

[RurouniShu]

omg....yea. he did say that. however that that time i didn't know who the 9th squad captain was only.

[sniperz]

mayb3~ or kenpachi juz figured it. and he may knew it happening but his strong enuff to face it. even though kenpachi loves fighting, he never intend to kill but fight till he won. yea he is a good guy as soon as the fight with ichigo later...

[brolijc]

how can someone like Kenpachi possibly figure this master plan out?

[Qc0Jh1axT]

maybe he didn't figure it out. maybe he "just happen" to know about the plot. but because of him being kenpachi, him who's ONLY interested in fighting and not politics or whatever business is going around him, he didn't care, and that is why he didn't bother telling anyone. i donno.. just guessing anyway.

[Herjan]

*big spoilers* DID YOU NOTICE?
This is the manga forum ur posting in =P No reason for announcing spoilers about the anime.

maybe he didn't figure it out. maybe he "just happen" to know about the plot. but because of him being kenpachi, him who's ONLY interested in fighting and not politics or whatever business is going around him, he didn't care, and that is why he didn't bother telling anyone. i donno.. just guessing anyway.

Yeah that was just about what I was thinking.

[StoneTitan]

near the start of episode 20 kenpachi says that tousen and ichimaru are the only ones scared of death.





Tousen and ichimaru are the ones that work for aizen and betray everyone. Was kenpachi so smart that he knew all along or had an idea? oO. Did ichimaru and tousen join aizen so they wouldnt die? Or was all of this just a Coincidence? What do you think of this?

Simply putting "*big Spoilers*" in the title doesn't cut it for something this big. It doesn't cut it period, but something of this magnitutde really doesn't fly. This is the anime section, a question like this would be more suited to the manga section. You may delete the spoiler tags once I have moved the thread.


So he said that to Ichimaru... hmm...
I always thought he was talking to Byakuya at that time.

[A2k]

This is the manga forum ur posting in =P No reason for announcing spoilers about the anime.

Yeah that was just about what I was thinking.
If you read the post thoroughly, you would see that I edited the post, added the spoiler tag and moved the thread from the anime section. =P

[prime91]

aw man.. I just can't resist spoilers >__< doesn't matter :) I like spoilers anyway
maybe he just sensed theyre fear or something... hunting animals (I don't know the right word) sense fear from people maybe Ken-chan did too

[asukasun]

I don´t think that kenpachi knew that they would betray them. Fact is Tousen always talked about the same things -> he hates death and wants to protect the peace. May be Gin said it in the past also and that Kenpachi heared those things in past too. I really doubt that Kenpachi knew about their plan.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

Personally I think Tousen is a load of BS. All he says are "peace" "peace" "peace", and yet he went and help Mr.Aizen anyway to create havoc, and still tries to justify that his own actions are all about "peace". I mean, wat the --?? I don't mind him being physically blind, but he's really blind in his head too. What's with all that "peace" talk ?! It would make more sense if he said "I want to reign earth and sky with Aizen that's why I do all these evil stuff". I want to strangle him.

[asukasun]

Personally I think Tousen is a load of BS. All he says are "peace" "peace" "peace", and yet he went and help Mr.Aizen anyway to create havoc, and still tries to justify that his own actions are all about "peace". I mean, wat the --?? I don't mind him being physically blind, but he's really blind in his head too. What's with all that "peace" talk ?! It would make more sense if he said "I want to reign earth and sky with Aizen that's why I do all these evil stuff". I want to strangle him.

We all know that once a girl he liked was killed by her own husband who was a shinigami. All people thing that shinigami should do good things (save souls for hollow, take the sins from hollows, protecting justice...). and then they let join peoples like Zaraki or whoever. In Tousens mind all those people like Zaraki are evils (he said it more then one time during the fight against him). May be he thinks Gotei 13 isn´t better then The Hell or Hollows... so he things both must be destroyed

[Qc0Jh1axT]

but how is being with mr.aizen going to improve his situation or support his views ?

[brolijc]

been with Aizen gives him the ability to destroy all Shinigamis. He can either be a half hollow or request Aizen to kill all Shinigamis, which Aizen will do sooner or later

[Qc0Jh1axT]

He can either be a half hollow or request Aizen to kill all Shinigamis,


...i can see aizen killing tousen off. peace at last. rest in peace, that is.

[brolijc]

yes i hope Tousen dies, hate people who keeps putting "Peace, less killing, less bloodshed" crap in their mouth all the time

[captain_soifon]

hmm so you guys think aizen is using tousen and will kill him off?

[brolijc]

most probably not, Aizen still have use for Tousen, unless maybe Tousen have other plans against Aizen or stuffs like that.

[Saori]

Yeah, but you gotta wonder where they are. I mean, Aizen at least showed his face in the last couple chapters of the manga... but Ichimaru Gin and Tousen just disappeared....

[brolijc]

I don't think that Ichimaru will just disappear without even showing us his Ban Kai. Maybe they are doing some important stuffs else where? Also, it was quite meaningless for them to appear anyway in the past few chapters, there was nothing that they can contribute to the story at that time

[Jedi28]

I wanted to reply to the main topic. I think Kenpachi was simply threatening the two other Captains. You'll notice the only two he says aren't afraid of death are the two currently bugging him. It's kind of like "Wow, you two must not be afraid of dying, else you wouldn't be bothering me right now." Shortly after this they leave rather quickly, with Ichimaru forcibly dragging the other one off. I think Kenpachi was just threatening them and didn't know anything about their plans.

[farseerdk]

I wanted to reply to the main topic. I think Kenpachi was simply threatening the two other Captains. You'll notice the only two he says aren't afraid of death are the two currently bugging him. It's kind of like "Wow, you two must not be afraid of dying, else you wouldn't be bothering me right now." Shortly after this they leave rather quickly, with Ichimaru forcibly dragging the other one off. I think Kenpachi was just threatening them and didn't know anything about their plans.

probably right considering everyone knows tousen is a peace lover and ichimaru was right there so he had to poke some fun at him.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

It's kind of like "Wow, you two must not be afraid of dying, else you wouldn't be bothering me right now."

That would be true, except Zaraki isn't talking with Tosen and Ichimaru - he's taking with Ichimaru and Byakuya. It's odd how Zaraki singles out the "9th squad captian" and Ichimaru out of all the Shinigami as the only ones afraid to die. It seems, to me, to be more than a coincidence that the two Shinigami that Zaraki identified as being afraid of death are also the two that defected with Aizen.

[Jedi28]

That would be true, except Zaraki isn't talking with Tosen and Ichimaru - he's taking with Ichimaru and Byakuya. It's odd how Zaraki singles out the "9th squad captian" and Ichimaru out of all the Shinigami as the only ones afraid to die. It seems, to me, to be more than a coincidence that the two Shinigami that Zaraki identified as being afraid of death are also the two that defected with Aizen.

You're right. I went back and checked. Somehow I had this image of Ichimaru and Tousen talking to Kenpachi instead of Kenpachi and Ichimaru talking to Byakuya. Weird how I got that all mixed up. :O)
Is it certain that the "you" Kenpachi refers to is Ichimaru? Ichimaru responds with "really?" but that could have been "you think I'm not afraid of death" or "you think he's not afraid of death." Otherwise Kenpachi just insulted Byakuya by saying that he's afraid of dying while Tousen and Ichimaru are not. Come to think of it, Kenpachi just admitted that HE was afraid of dying. It does seem weird that Kenpachi mentions Tousen. I was thinking of when Kenpachi declared that Ichigo was currently fighting Renji and when asked how he knew that (since he couldn't sense spirit power) he responded, "cause I'm strong." At another point he knew Ichigo was alive and off training somewhere to get stronger. Kenpachi definitely seems to know things he shouldn't otherwise know.

[captain_soifon]

i think he was reffering to ichimaru when he said "and you" because byakuya didnt care if rukia died at that time, and ichimaru was worried that byakuya was depressed but kenpachi knew byakuya didnt care.. hope i made sense lol

[Jedi28]

i think he was reffering to ichimaru when he said "and you" because byakuya didnt care if rukia died at that time, and ichimaru was worried that byakuya was depressed but kenpachi knew byakuya didnt care.. hope i made sense lol

Yeah, that makes sense. Kenpachi definitely knows more than he lets on about. At the same time, I think Kenpachi just doesn't care about anything other than fighting. He even tells Ichigo that he doesn't care one bit about Rukia, he just wants to fight. Whether Kenpachi knew or didn't know about the plot and everyone involved (which is possible) he probably wouldn't care unless of course he could get a chance to fight Tousen, Ichimaru, or Aizen. He does get a chance to fight Tousen so that probably made him happy.
"Ken-Chan looks so happy!"

[Zangetsu Tensa]

I was thinking of when Kenpachi declared that Ichigo was currently fighting Renji and when asked how he knew that (since he couldn't sense spirit power) he responded, "cause I'm strong." At another point he knew Ichigo was alive and off training somewhere to get stronger. Kenpachi definitely seems to know things he shouldn't otherwise know.
Good points, I forgot about those. Zaraki does seem oddly omniescent, though he chooses not to show it. He's doesn't seem to have any real loyalty to anything except fighting, so he probably doesn't mind what Aizen is doing. Hell, he's probably happy that he gets kickass hybrids to beat down now.

[sniperz]

yea and zaraki could have killed tousen if he liked. tousen had bankai and he doesnt. imagine shinsou pierced thru zaraki's body and its like dripping few blood only? Lol once tat happens. i bet zaraki uses the way he did to tousen making gin crying out loud lOL~. and torn shirts later :p . for aizen? aizen may have a challenge against zaraki. but if zaraki do lose he never die eaasily plus aizen might got few scratches of blood if its really a fight going against evil genius XD

[Zangetsu Tensa]

yea and zaraki could have killed tousen if he liked. tousen had bankai and he doesnt. imagine shinsou pierced thru zaraki's body and its like dripping few blood only? Lol once tat happens. i bet zaraki uses the way he did to tousen making gin crying out loud lOL~. and torn shirts later :p . for aizen? aizen may have a challenge against zaraki. but if zaraki do lose he never die eaasily plus aizen might got few scratches of blood if its really a fight going against evil genius XD
I'm a huge fan of Zaraki, but I won't let that get in the way of the facts.

Aizen is more powerful than Zaraki. Much more. In fact, you can't even compare them. He slaughtered Hitsugaya's bankai in a split second without using a shikai. He took down Komamura without a Zanpaku-to while Komamura was still saying "bankai". He blocked Bankai Ichigo's sword with a single finger, and then crippled Ichigo without giving a thought to it.

Ichigo beat Zaraki with only a shikai. Aizen would have absolutely no trouble seperating Zaraki's head from his shoulders.

[captain_soifon]

yea aizen is EXTEMELY powerful and that spell that he used on that fox was a lv 90 spell which is incredibly powerful i greatly doubt zakari can beat him

[Hits]

Aizen is a dirty lil bastard. >.< I wonder who will kill him.

[agbk]

probably all the captain team up and kill him since he is way too strong ....he must be superb strong in the end


hitsugaya,byakuga,ichigo,renji,yoruichi.uruhara n bla bla team up to kick his ass

[captain_soifon]

i think ichigo will.. he is the main character afterall

[Zangetsu Tensa]

i think ichigo will.. he is the main character afterall
I think it's most likely that Ichigo will gain command over his hollow self in order to become the perfect hybrid, giving him literally infinite power. Unlike the Shinigami-Hollows and the Hollow-Shinigamis, he wasn't originally one that gained the powers of the other, but a human that became both at once.

I just remembered something. When Zaraki was running around with Inoue looking for the prison where the others were being held, Yachiru and Inoue both gave directions that he ignored. He finally said "I'll go with my instinct", and shortly afterwards they ended up at the right place.

Maybe Zaraki doesn't have as bad a sense of direction as believed. Also, being inside Tosen's Bankai temporarily robbed him of his senses - wouldn't that shatter Aizen's hypnosis?

And one last point - could there be another reason why Tosen went after Zaraki? Tosen declared "You are too dangerous to let live!", but dangerous to whom? Could it be that Tosen tried to eliminate Zaraki, manipulating Komamura to help, all on Aizen's orders?

[Fariswheel]

I think that zaraki just had good instincts or that it was supposed to be a hint to what would happen in the future.

[Jasper]

And one last point - could there be another reason why Tosen went after Zaraki? Tosen declared "You are too dangerous to let live!", but dangerous to whom? Could it be that Tosen tried to eliminate Zaraki, manipulating Komamura to help, all on Aizen's orders?This part of what you said is what drew my interests the most... You are too dangerours to let live! Yes Tousen did say that but I doubt it had to do with Aizen ordering him to do that... Aizen has nothing against Zaraki and could kill him in no time if he wanted to... Maybe there is some dark history between both of them... Or its simply as you previously implied that Zaraki is fairly right about his hunches and Tousen fears that he'll expose his plan...

A thought that I'd like to share with everyone reading this... think this way... Aizen takes Tousen as his subordinate... Tousen agrees to join but has a more devious plan hidden that would probably involve making Shinigamis kill less often and Hollows attacking souls on a smaller scale, afterall he hates fighting, might just be possible... Its just a thought though you don't have to attack it... comment on it though...

[newsaidin]

And one last point - could there be another reason why Tosen went after Zaraki? Tosen declared "You are too dangerous to let live!", but dangerous to whom? Could it be that Tosen tried to eliminate Zaraki, manipulating Komamura to help, all on Aizen's orders?

What Tousen said before using Ban Kai might be lies to manipulate others... but we see his thoughts inside the Ban Kai - no reason to assume he wanted to kill ken-chan for any other reason then the darkness inside him.

[the454casull]

I have a hunch that Ichigo AND Issin will have major parts in killing Aizen. Perhaps they both have hollows, or maybe similar Bankai releases. Imagine the 2 of them getting along long enough to coordinate for a final attack..........maybe??

[Fariswheel]

Not a chance Ichiago won't get over his dad being a shinigame for 20 years.

[the454casull]

No, there is ALWAYS a chance, you should have said something more like"not likely" or "I dissagree" because no one can say for certain yet.

[Fariswheel]

I guess you're right, but Ichiago is fairly predictable in certain situations.

[captain_soifon]

i think ishidas dad is pretty powerful ... i rekon his even stornger than ishida with that special power

[brolijc]

i think that Ishida's dad is even more powerful than a captain from what i have seen from the way he speaks to Ishida about going to Soul Society etc.