DS vs PSP [Archive] - Club Bleach

Zangetsu Tensa

11-14-2005, 04:56 AM

Looking at all these serious threads filled with politically angst posts, I've decided to make a topic about what REALLY matters.

Let's have a throwdown people; DS or PSP?

The DS is outselling the PSP worldwide and in each individual territory. Currently it's the top selling system in Japan. It has an massively awesome gaming library filled with mostly original (sometimes shockingly so) titles. It's hardware is inferior, however it's cheaper and offers a more comprehensive gaming experience. The unified online Nintendo Wi-Fi service launches tomorrow with Mario Kart DS and Tony Hawk's American Sk8land to support it. The system itself is nearly half the cost of the PSP, and most DS games are a mere $30-35.

The PSP has been putting most of its focus on its multimedia capabilities. UMD sales are brisk, but hardware has been lagging behind the DS (a trend that only continues to grow). Strangely and unfortunately, not even Liberty City Stories has been able to boost PSP sales. It's more expensive than the DS, but offers music and video playback, as well as better graphics at the cost of lower battery life. Its library is what's been hurting it the most - PSP titles are largely slightly modified versions of console games, and also cost anywhere from $40-50.

Right now I'm a DS owner, and while I've been impressed greatly by the PSP hardware, I don't see anything on it that's worth the price.

Round 1

FIGHT!

KyoRensanu

11-14-2005, 04:59 AM

I like the DS. I just like the games on that more. (Info: i dont have either system) If i had a DS, i would get that Mario Kart! ^_^ Mario Kart is so fun ^^

Yeah, the price of the PSP makes me avoid it too... o.o;;;

Bleach(ed)

11-14-2005, 05:32 AM

I had a ds one but i sold it my advice is....dun buy either systems....computers still the best...and ds games are 30-35bucks its like 80bucks....

oopps spelling error...*once* and *arent*

FascionViktem5k

11-14-2005, 05:37 AM

i'm sure DS is better than PSP... but since PSP is .... hmm how shal i put this... very appealing for the economy... well... it's better there... for the economy... enjoy the economy!!! whee!!!!i don't know what i'm saying ... somebody kick me!!!

Zangetsu Tensa

11-14-2005, 06:08 AM

I had a ds one but i sold it my advice is....dun buy either systems....computers still the best...and ds games are 30-35bucks its like 80bucks....

oopps spelling error...*once* and *arent*
I don't know where you get the idea that DS game are $80, but that's manifestly untrue. None of the six major titles for the DS that I have cost more than $35.

Silfrsyn

11-14-2005, 06:23 AM

I like DS better because of gameplay, which is what I'm concerned with. But with the PSP, it doesn't look much different then if my GBC and a playstation controller put together, with lag as bad as my old 95.
As for price, both DS and PSP games here goes from $25-$60.

* J k y

11-14-2005, 11:00 AM

psp better..can watch movie =P

silverwolf801

11-14-2005, 11:05 AM

Of course I second that come on after you bye a psp you don't need an mp3 player or a dvd player or a DS for that matter.

silverquincy9

11-14-2005, 12:06 PM

I think a DS is better in some aspects, PSP in other.
In terms of battery life, the DS dominates. Ranging from 6-10 hours, the DS' battery life kills the 4-6 hour PSP Life.
In termms of wireless play- PSP dominates. Nintendo is making it's Wi-Fi big debut with Mario Kart DS, who knows how that will turn out.
In terms of graphics- PSP wins again. PSP has graphics equal to that of a PS2 (Quoted by this Sony dude), but for all the 2D pixelated crap lovers out there, the DS is here. I'm a 2D pixel fan to the max, so I got a DS.
In terms of Originality- DS dominates. While Sony focused on graphics, graphics, graphics, DS thought and put in something to make games innovating- the touch screen. They took the risk, and, I think it was cool.
As for multicompatibility, I don't know. The DS can play GBA ganes, but no old GBC or GB games. That disappointed me because I traded in my GBA for my DS, which means all my other games will go to waste. For the PSP, you can use UMD disks to watch DVD's, and watch pictures with the memory cards in your digital cameras. As more people but PSP's, more movie companies will begin to make more UMD's.
The prices- Now, with the DS's new 119.99 price (In America), the DS is the great for cheap gamers. The games are inexpensive, and, Nintendo keeps on making the cool N64 games for the DS also. There is a rumor going around that the Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask will come to the DS, but that's another story. The PSP is 249.99, and the games are as much as PS2 games. Add the memory cards and the car adapters and the case and that and this, you can spend up to 400 Dollars on it.
I don't know, I think DS is good for the old-school gamers that is ok with it, and PSP is more for the demanding ones... although loading times are a BIG issue. I don't know, don't burn me for this, I'm just saying, you know...

DragonLink

11-14-2005, 01:06 PM

Zangetsu Tensa

11-14-2005, 09:23 PM

lol I dunno, I think the WIFI totally dominates PSP considering I just have to hook a cord from my ds to my wireless internet and BAM! Me and my best friend can play. BUt honestly I havent completely researched up on this WIFI thing but its pretty obvious.
That's not how it works. If you have a wireless router, or if you've got any sort of wireless internet available, you can take the DS online. There's no cords involved whatsoever. The same holds true for the PSP as well, however - though Sony has yet to introduce a unified online service.

Of course I second that come on after you bye a psp you don't need an mp3 player or a dvd player or a PS2 for that matter.
Fixed your typo.

For MP3 and movie playback, I prefer the Video iPod. 60 gigabytes of space - none of the PSP "memory stick" bullshit that costs $100 for a single gig.

ChansteR

11-14-2005, 09:46 PM

well for a $100, you do get a gig of memory for the shuffle iPod but even though how expensive the PSP is, it is better than that of the DS period, with better graphic, the ability to watch movies and its just better

cetamora

11-14-2005, 09:50 PM

The movie part is just pathetic. Did u buy an Ipod to wank off to pornos on the bus >_>
The gfx (as I said in the other thread) rox completly and the design is so smooth. But the joystick (or what it is) is just creepy, so is some other buttons. DS is a little hard to play. I would say I go 4 Game boy MICRO^^

DragonLink

11-14-2005, 11:33 PM

That's not how it works. If you have a wireless router, or if you've got any sort of wireless internet available, you can take the DS online. There's no cords involved whatsoever. The same holds true for the PSP as well, however - though Sony has yet to introduce a unified online service.

Fixed your typo.

For MP3 and movie playback, I prefer the Video iPod. 60 gigabytes of space - none of the PSP "memory stick" bullshit that costs $100 for a single gig.

MEH! thats awesome I have a wireless router and all that jibberish lol

Lunar

11-14-2005, 11:47 PM

i have to say ds... although i had a choice to buy a psp or an ds, i picked the ds because of 1. the cheap games, 2. the ds games are pretty decent and fun to play like advance wars - dual strike and castlevania: dawn of sorrow (which i bought tday and its awsome), 3. its pen thingie XD, 4. the battery life ( i could spend a long time just playing it). but though psp has some advantages, first it is a mp3/movie player, and now with these psp torrents everywhere you can just put them in your memory stick and play it from there. from price range, ds beats it 169.99 cdn vs, the $249 regular psp, and the $349 gigabite package. from the graphics, i say psp wins of course... ds games are like 2d lmao. then comes the price range of the ds games and the psp games, while psp games are like the same price as ps2 games, who coudnt afford it seriously... while ds games are... ranging from 40-60 dollars.

well, imo psp games really suckj, how do they come up with ideas... the best psp game out there is metal gear ac!d... while ds games have a crap load of good games out there...

in conclusion, i used to think that psp will domate the world and ya... but now i have a ds, and thinking that it will really sell good... with new games comming out... like the new zelda that i have heard for ds, and a online sequel of ff: crystal chronicles... really i cant wait ^_^

cetamora

11-14-2005, 11:54 PM

hmm agree. The psp stock is like nAthan. Can't think of any other than the one u just menchined THOUGH i want to roar at both S n N 4 not releasing any Descent rpgs (yea I know u menconed some) but wtf portabel is perfect 4 rpgs. A load of puzzle game (that is innovative) we have but no heavy games :( Developers think that just becaus it's portable we don't have to include as much material. Meh they are lame

silverquincy9

11-15-2005, 12:22 AM

I like the DS. For more info check my rant on the other page.
And for all ye PSP lovers out there, don't just say it's 'The AWESOMENESSCOOLTHEBESTDABOMSILUVITSOMUCHOMGIFIDONTHAVEITIDIE' game because graphics are not what games are about. See PacMan? Sucky ****-ass graphics, but one of the gratest games ever!

jonat3

11-15-2005, 12:32 AM

It was obvious to me from the start that the DS would dominate. Sony did almost everything wrong with the psp that's necesary for the success of a handheld. There's only one good reason why they still have been so succesful and that's their image and brand recognition.

Don't get me wrong, the multiple capabilities of the psp is a definite plus. It's truly great. But they did the same mistake as Nintendo did with the N64. They used cd's for the psp when they should have been using cartridges. For a console, cd's are a definite advantage, but not for a handheld.
Batterylife is extremely important for a portable. Using cd's is very draining for battery life, since the cd drive needs to keep spinning to read the cd, while a cartridge has no moving parts. Limited battery life will also limit the games created for it. The psp still has a better than expected batterylife, but it's definately not one of the psp's strongest points.
Furthermore cd's introduce loading times. For a console, loading times are less of an issue, but on a handheld it's a big no no. Load times drain batterylife and a gamer has a portable, because he wants to enjoy games while traveling.

Implementing all these extra features has also increased the price of the psp. This wouldn't have been so bad if the batterylife was excellent, but the combination of battery life and price definately puts it behind the DS in terms of sales.

I always knew the DS would trump psp in sales. That's because the DS, unlike the psp, has hardware that supports games. Meaning, the hardware weaknesses in the psp, has affected the number and nature of the games appearing on it. The DS on the other hand allows for types of games never seen before on a handheld and the hardware does not limit the games.

No batterylife issues and loading time issues to influence the games. A second screen that is also touchscreen to make new games possible, this has all affected the DS's game library positively.

The moral of this post is that the nature of the hardware has an effect on the game library. The N64 is the perfect example of this. The DS only used this same lesson to influence their game library positively.

Lost1

11-15-2005, 01:21 AM

PSP has to many problems for me to bother with it.

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cetamora

11-15-2005, 01:27 AM

I don't like on both psp n ds that the buttons to the right is so small. N DS is worst, it's like impossible to push the button mos to the left and the one most to the right at the same time. Meh not good

the454casull

11-15-2005, 01:47 AM

I bought a DS, and I have to say that I'm pretty impressed with it. I was expecting it to be another version of the gameboy. I was totally wrong. I like the fact that it can play games like Super Mario DS, and Goldeneye: Rouge Agent with the same or close to the same look and feel of the originals( I also like the original titles, Like Jump Superstars!!). and can also play Gameboy advance games (I'm currently playing the redone version of Zelda II; The Adventures of Link from the original NES....it's harder than I remember!). it's actually the first handheld system I've ever owned. my next step is to buy a PSP, but just for games, I have a computer and plenty of movies at home to watch. (although, reading some of the posts here, I'm begining to second guess that descision.)

cetamora

11-15-2005, 01:50 AM

Does anybody have the metroid game? They where like two of the best games on GBA (fusion, Zero).

One good thing. u can have both one ds-game and one gba-(or older) game. That is just so great

jonat3

11-15-2005, 01:52 AM

The psp is not a bad handheld. For one thing, the type of games that appear on the psp seem to suit gamers with adult tastes. But i'm just saying that it's hardware weaknesses and the DS's hardware strength is the reason why the DS trumps psp in sales.

cetamora

11-15-2005, 01:57 AM

Zangetsu Tensa

11-15-2005, 02:00 AM

I got Mario Kart DS today. It can only be summed up as one word.

Awesome. Awesome.

Best damn game I've played all year. The single player is more extensive, comprehensive, and impressive than ever. They've even included an entire retro grand prix with a sort of all-star cast of tracks from every previous Mario Kart game ever made. There's new items and characters, and tons of karts.

Up to 8 people can race locally off of a single catridge. People with the cartridge can freely mingle with people without it - the first game to do so.

Best of all, the online multiplayer is silky smooth and incredibly fun. As great as single-player mario kart has always been, it's now hard for me to go back to racing the bots in order to unlock stuff when the option to race online is available. This game defines fun.

Nintendo's finally gone online. And they've done it right.

Awesome.

This game is reason enough to buy a DS. Expect it to greatly boost sales when the Mario Kart and Red DS bundle pack is released in two weeks.

jonat3

11-15-2005, 02:28 AM

adult eh. I can't see why a portable thing like that can be more mature than another. And what games??? Wipeout?? yea it's like techno höhö and spacy colours höhö I'm an adult I'm like 18 and A HALF yea a half höhö

Gamers that disliked the ds and liked the psp games tend to think that ds has kiddy games. Atleast that's what i observed. Wether it's true or not, is something else.

Apocalypse

11-15-2005, 02:58 AM

I believe both the DS and PSP have great great features. One has some sort of advantage against the other. My preference is the DS though. With a cheaper cost, and interesting games to boot, I feel the DS is more bang for the buck. Of course... if you're in to the hacking/modding scene (and happen to be pretty secure financially), the PSP is probably the better choice. I hear there are some interesting things made for the PSP in that regard. If you're an average gamer though; the DS is probably the better choice considering the lower price, greater number of renowned titles, and the specialized online service.

Zephyrite

11-15-2005, 03:38 AM

I would have to say that even though it has its problems, PSP is still a badass system.
by the way, what is with those touch screens on the DS? They don't seem to do anything! In fact, they seem to draw the focus of the developers who try to make games that use it but end up sucking. Badly.

Bottom line is for me, is that with a couple tweaks the PSP could have seriosly owned the DS in the market.

jonat3

11-15-2005, 04:03 AM

I hear more people praising the DS lineup though. And while i do think the psp is cool, despite all it's weaknesses, the touchscreen has already proven it's worth. Unique titles have already appeared on the DS that aren't possible on the psp. Nintendogs is a prime example of a non game and it shifted quite a few DS's.

Lost1

11-15-2005, 04:12 AM

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Zangetsu Tensa

11-15-2005, 04:28 AM

In fact, they seem to draw the focus of the developers who try to make games that use it but end up sucking. Badly.
Play Meteos, Kirby Canvas Curse, and Trauma Center. All three of games are controlled exclusively with the touch screen. All three have won great critical acclaim. I also own all three. If you can play those games, then come back to me and say that they sucked, you're either a liar, or stupid.

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This is just great.

Z_Blitz

11-15-2005, 11:33 AM

Well in my opinion, you should base your decision on the type of games you play and their availability on the handheld you want... For example I would rather have a DS for the reason that a lot of the games I like are released on the DS... Even though the PSP has a lot of advantages that the DS doesn't...

Tokoyami

11-15-2005, 08:00 PM

I think The DS is outselling the PSP because the PSP was advertised as another techno super gadget, another trend. It didnt really focus on videogames. The DS however, focused entirely on games, and offers the most unique experience ever

kurosaki_neji

11-15-2005, 08:44 PM

For the people who have been saying that the ds cant play movies or music and other media stuff. Ive recently seen sumthin called Play-Yan. its a thuing you put in the gba slot and you can see things youve downloaded to sd flash cards. i think

silverwolf801

11-15-2005, 09:35 PM

you think you don't have to think for psp you can just do

Zangetsu Tensa

11-15-2005, 09:59 PM

you think you don't have to think for psp you can just do
Yes, but for double the price of the DS.

Again, PSP music and movie playback isn't nearly as useful as an old fashioned video iPod. Those features should be nice bonus features, not the main focus of what's supposed to be a gaming system.

akin_t

11-20-2005, 09:03 AM

Meh, I wanted a PSP when it first came out, but then I realized that there was really no game on the PSP I wanted to play (yeah even GTA, burnout) besides wipeout and bleach 2. The PSP is great entertainment device, but the DS is the better gaming portable

Ritam

11-20-2005, 06:03 PM

i think that the PSP is actually better then the DS. There are better games and lets face it...Sony and Playstation are just better companies then Nintendo. My friends cousin used to have a DS and he was walking around with one and he accidently dropped it and....it broke!! The two screens just split!!

akin_t

11-20-2005, 06:09 PM

PSP really doesn't have anything on it right now that I want to play, it doesn't even have anything coming out soon that I want to play. It isn't a bad system it just isn't for me. I'm not even a handheld gamer, I play most of my games on a console; however, if I do want to carry a game on a 6 hr flight I would go with DS/GBA games over PSP, even if the battery life was superb.

And as for your cousin Ritam, that must really suck for him I'd hate that to happen to me; nevertheless, I still say the DS can withstand more than the PSP, don't you think so too?

Ritam

11-20-2005, 06:18 PM

Well of course nuthin is gonna come out for PSP or DS Akin! Theres other systems coming out like the XBox 360 and the PS3...and don't for get the Nintendo Revolution!! But i sill think that PSP is better. It has more memory then that of the DS and it can store music and stuff like that.

p.s. It wasn't my cousin (even though my cousin is more likely to actually drop a DS and PSP at the same time....hes a retard....) It was my friends cousin

akin_t

11-20-2005, 06:26 PM

Well the PSP is a better gadget to have, I mean it can play movies, music, you can view photos, and you can surf the web with it. but it's just not so strong in the gaming aspect IMO, I really don't dig sports games and it seems thats what the PSP has alot of right now. Don't get me wrong, if I was given a PSP there are probably some games I could pickout for it to play, but it's just not something I'd invest in since all those extra features of it require memory cards that cost about 70 bucks for 512MB and over 100 bucks for 1GB

Zangetsu Tensa

11-20-2005, 06:48 PM

i think that the PSP is actually better then the DS. There are better games and lets face it...
That is manifestly false. Just compare the editor's choice sections on IGN.

http://ds.ign.com/index/choice.html

http://psp.ign.com/index/choice.html

And not only that, 5 out of 7 of the PSP editor's choices are sports or racing. This doesn't sound like a diverse lineup to me - they're catering to the jock game niche.

Sony and Playstation are just better companies then Nintendo.
This makes you sound like a fanboy to me.

My friends cousin used to have a DS and he was walking around with one and he accidently dropped it and....it broke!! The two screens just split!!
So basically you know someone who knows someone else that claims that his DS split in two when dropped? Right.

Bleach Addict

11-20-2005, 08:56 PM

well, i dont have a psp, but i have a ds, and i dont like it at all. in my opinion, there are no good games for it, and i kinda wished i got a psp instead.

akin_t

11-20-2005, 09:11 PM

well, i dont have a psp, but i have a ds, and i dont like it at all. in my opinion, there are no good games for it, and i kinda wished i got a psp instead.

If you happened to get a PSP? what would you buy for it? I can only think of SSX on tour (which is SSX3 on consoles), Bleach 2, wipeout pure. But those game can only hold me for so long, I'll tire eventually, and the PSP doesn't seeem promising in the months to come. The DS has the whole GBA library, now while that isn't saying much it is at least something. I'm not a fan of the GBA but old school zelda and mario games are pretty cool on a plane ride or bus trip

Bleach Addict

11-20-2005, 09:22 PM

if i did, i would get gta liberty city sotries, bleach, 50 cent bulletproof, and other stuff. there's no way im gonna get a psp, so i shouldnt even be thinkin about it. but i have a ds right now, so can anyone tell me some good games? because the ones i have now suck.

akin_t

11-20-2005, 09:25 PM

well what do you have right now on the DS? it really depends on the kind of games you like?

Bleach Addict

11-20-2005, 09:39 PM

i like everykind of game, but adventure and rpg the most. one of my games is the sims urbz. it got a realli good score in reviews, articles, magazines etc. but i i didnt realli like it.

jonat3

11-20-2005, 09:55 PM

i like everykind of game, but adventure and rpg the most. one of my games is the sims urbz. it got a realli good score in reviews, articles, magazines etc. but i i didnt realli like it.

Sims urbz? no wonder you don't like the DS. Did you check the top 10 game lists of various sites?

Considering your tastes, castlevania sorrow should be your obvious choice of game right now. Animal crossing is also comming and is receiving high scores.

Next would be mario kart ds, which is online and hailed to be the best mario kart released on various sites. Advance wars dual strike is always addicting too.

There are many others, but you must be willing to try them.

akin_t

11-20-2005, 10:25 PM

Sims urbz? no wonder you don't like the DS. Did you check the top 10 game lists of various sites?

Considering your tastes, castlevania sorrow should be your obvious choice of game right now. Animal crossing is also comming and is receiving high scores.

Next would be mario kart ds, which is online and hailed to be the best mario kart released on various sites. Advance wars dual strike is always addicting too.

There are many others, but you must be willing to try them.

Thank you for getting that for me Jonat. Sims??? Urbz??? c'mon man that's not the kind of game that you should be playing on a portable. check out Mario kart DS, Castlevania, Mario 64 DS (If you didn't get to play it when it was on the N64), If I get a DS I'll be waiting for the rpgs though, Sqaure-enix has some titles coming up and thats good news because those guys hardly dissapoint

koreasamurai

11-20-2005, 10:26 PM

psp 's better but its more expensive which is annoying

akin_t

11-20-2005, 11:04 PM

Yeah the price is kinda outrageous, 250 bucks; then memory cards to take advantage of all those cool features will cost ya another 70 - 100 bucks depending on the size you want, lastly the games are almost as expensive as the console games, at 40 bucks that should be a no no for portable games.

Rumor

11-20-2005, 11:31 PM

I go with my DS, just cus a PSP is to expecive. I mean I might want one if I didn't already have an iPod and a DVD player...but I do. And 50 for a portable game is just sinful.

Ritam

11-21-2005, 02:53 AM

well of course its expensive! its made by sony and playstation! All there products r great and expensive. Its worth it too. Just look at the PSP. It can do soo much more the just play games! But the thing about the PSP that really annoys me is that most of its games are sports or racing.

akin_t

11-21-2005, 03:13 AM

yeah those are my least favorite genres too

Ritam

11-21-2005, 01:27 PM

ya same....i like the shooting games on PSP and one of the racing games...i think it was called something something pure......lol.......

akin_t

11-21-2005, 02:47 PM

Wipeout pure would be the game you're talking about, the wipeout series was one of my favorite racing games for PS1.

Hansy

11-21-2005, 03:01 PM

PSP because of its graphics, since the only thing that annoyed me when GB was around was that I was 2 pixels tall, PSP has effectively closed that gap and now it looks just like a platform, also, it has a big screen. As for games, it does have less games that I'm intrested in, but what i've played so far has kept me playing longer than any DS games I've played (my friend has a DS). So yea, I say PSP! And the costs for both will go down in time. So i'm not including those in the argument.

Ritam

11-21-2005, 07:54 PM

of course the price will go up...but the thing is i'd rather buy something that just came out then wait to buy it when its cheaper because when u if u wait then other systems will come out.....that happend to me...i bought an Xbox a while ago (maybe in like march) and then the Xbox 360 has to come out!

SmallKid57

11-21-2005, 08:51 PM

PSP is just too expensive... u mite as well buy another hardrive or PS2... and its the games are as expensive as console games... thats just wrong

so yea DS cause its just cheaper and more... sane

ProtoFunc

11-21-2005, 09:21 PM

I think the PSP has better features, however, that's only cuz im sixteen and enjoy not only the gaming capabilities, graphics, and even games, but the multimedia features as well. Where it is beat by the DS i think is the crowd it's trying to attract. Majority of the people buying these consoles are kids, i mean young kids (14 and below). They dont give a crap about the music playback and picture viewing on the PSP (with an exception to those who do), they just wanna play a game. So when they go out and ask mommy to get them a gameboy for christmas, they go to the DS cause it's cheaper and already has a buttload of games (that they are familiar with) to offer. And not to mention, even if the kid wanted the PSP, mom would still get the kid the DS jus cause its cheaper.

akin_t

11-21-2005, 09:22 PM

PSP is just too expensive... u mite as well buy another hardrive or PS2... and its the games are as expensive as console games... thats just wrong

so yea DS cause its just cheaper and more... sane

LOL I feel the same way. The DS provides entertainment at an affordable price. I can't spend 350 bucks just because I wanna play a game and listen to music (PSP + 1 game + 1 memory stick > $350) I mean I already have an mp3 player, watching videos on that thing might be nice but I didn't enjoy it when I tried. and as for games, well lets just say I really hate that part of the PSP right now