Do you have anything against Muslims?

[Isis]

I'm just curious about the terrorist attacks. How when there are these attacks, or if there is Muslim terrorists who do those things 'in the name of Allah', there are also stories in the news that innocent Muslim people are brutally attacked or killed, or mosques are vandalised. Many people,especially white people (no offence) think when these terrorists attack,they blamed Islam as a whole. This is what happened when the first attacks happened and I know that it isnt as bad now and there are some of you who arent as prejudice as these people but still..I want to know whether Muslims should be treated the same as you and that we need to differienciate the terrorists from innocent people of the same religion or should we all suffer?

These terrorists are not real Muslims if they say this sorta thing. The Al Quran does not tell us to kill other human beings. It is a sin and you would burn in hell instead of going to paradise.

What say you?

[Valuna]

I don't have anything against them I have family from my dad's side those are muslims but I ain't one and I got some Muslim Internet friends too, so I don't have anything against them and I treat them like everyone else

[DragonLink]

yes! MUSLIMS ARE TEH DEVIL! THEY SHALL BURN IN HELL! BUWAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
-Ryan

yes i agree completely indeed :|
-Adam

[Lost1]

Adam. Hah!

Well I've never hated someone for there Religious beliefs of ethnicity, well once although that was long ago. People shouldn't condemn a race or a Religion because of the actions of one group, and most people who did for 9/11 are idiots. Their is too much controversy around it to place blame on anyone, some people said Jewish people carried out, others say it was planned by the Al Qaeda (Which is probably correct but who knows?). Others say it was the US Government, I think they "Blew" (Collapse my ass.) it up but that's just my view on the whole terror attack. Although the recent attacks, I do think that was Al Qaeda.

Well back to the subject, I apologize for straying. I don't hate Muslims; we're all humans when it comes down to it.

[prime91]

well.. I don't think that the most muslims have anything to do with this. And ofcourse there are much muslim terrorists. But there are white and black terrorists too right? or asian or indonisian.. christians, jewish. nowadays most people think of muslims when thinking of terrorists. I think that is stupid. Every religion, race, country has it's own terrorists and bad people. But there are good people out there too.
(lol that's my opinion, or my lecture whatever you like to call it)

[Qc0Jh1axT]

Just like there are cults who claim to follow paths of Christianity, I'm sure there are cults that claim to follow the path of Islam. Such as these terrorist groups.

[Z_Blitz]

I am a Muslim myself and I'm happy to find out that most of the people here who did respond to this thread are indifferent to Muslims which only proves how open-minded they are... Truly I'm grateful...

[_Ink]

hmmm... then i suppose i should give my view which only approaches the muslim of Malaysia, of which my home country.

for all that i know, most government loans and business rights are given the top priority to muslims because of their status and how malaysia is a islamic state.

i think thanks to this unfair treatment, we also as the country's citizen's are being treated relatively unfair in a way, although we are not allowed to complain, i find this is perhaps the only reason why i dislike muslims in my country.

no offense here, but since i do not receive the equal treatment, i feel that i have been neglected by the government that is. perhaps when the time has come, and when this has change, i will change my views.

i personally have no grudge against them, as i am also a person who has grew up in a multinational country, proud to be that, but the unfair treatment is the only thing that stands between unity and togetherness.

[General Cox]

this is a silly thread, anyone who says "yes i blame them all" is frankly stupid and shallow minded, most Muslims live in peace with everyone, and just because a few extremists take to the streets fighting in the name of Allah, doesnt mean the whole Musilm community is going to leap up and follow them.

Best example i can give is the IRA, they were Catholic, every itme they did a bombing it was to reunite Ireland. Did everyone accuse everyone in Ireland of the bombings? Did everyone blame every Catholic?

the answer is no to that and it should be the answer to this sort of question every time it crops up

[_Ink]

actually if it wasn't so blatantly that they promote themselves as terrorrist, i am sure they would have had a much better life.
surely when you can keep on making yourself look bad, you will drag those who are the same with you along to those depths.

by the time this few years ended, i am sure if they continue, even the UN will lose their patience with these people who have done nothing but blowing themselves up.

Although one can say it is the americans who started it all by giving them weapons in the first place.

in the first few wars when the Muhadjideen was first made, they were fighting against some other force, if i remember the former soviet union as renegades, the american supported their cause.

now if they haven't done that, i believe the radicals would not have appeared, and now america wants to play the peacekeeper, i am wondering how well they wish to contradict themselves.

[prime91]

okay 1st of all: damn the stereotyping.. It puts everyone that has something in common with something else in the same catogery. just like that book from this woman that said that men aren't needed anymore (somewhere in general chat I believe) It puts all men in the same catogary: "stupid" and "dumb" now ofcurz some man are a bit stupid. but not every male on this planet is stupid.. but that is what the woman wants to say
same goes for islam. after 9-11 everything is blamed on islam. don't ask me why but they do. just cuz the suicidal people in that plane, became the stereotype picture of the muslims, now muslims schools and buildings get burned down. it's not fair. and so is life.

[Sahiden]

It's not that all Muslims are terrorists, so I don't hate them at all. In fact religion means very little in my eyes. (I don't care about Christianity either, or any other religion for that matter.) So I can see people as people, not divided up by some silly religinous background.

Don't mistake that, I think religion is important. The reasons for that I already have posted before in some thread around this section.

It does is true that most terrorists are Muslims. But this doesn't make the religion or it's followers bad. I researched the topic before, it seems the only reason this seems to be so is because the Islam is the easiest religion these days to abuse for these kind of goals. The terrorists scream a holy war, but in the end they are misreading the whole thing. It's not meant like this at all.
In the past the same happened to Christianity, so if you're christian it's pretty hypocrite to think all Muslims are bad... Remember the crusades anyone?

It's just abusing religion as an excuse for their actions, it doesn't mean the religion itself is at fault there.


(I have Muslim friends, so you can really believe me when I say I got nothing against them :D)

[Isis]

Stereotyping people seems to be a trait of society nowadays. I agree with you there Sahiden, the easiest reason terrorists give for doing these unforgivable acts was because Allah told them to but they are totally abusing their religion. They may be absolutely devout like they pray and fast and everything but somehow when a radical idea such as this pops up, they look past the teachings of Allah.

Devildude, I support you 100%. I am a fellow Malaysian as well. I love my country but the whole system is a bit unfair. We as Malays were given more priviledges to 'balance' society and many rules were added in but Mahathir (former prime minister) himself said that the plan failed. I believe this but Malaysia is a muslim country thus this whole idea is blocking multiculturalism from happening.

Thousands of muslims live in peace. Why do other people have to muck it up by blaming my religion because of terrorist attacks? Yes, most of them lately have happened by Muslim terrorists,at least dont be stupid and run amock hurting the first muslim insight. (Doi,im not saying most people do that but honestly, how crazy can these people get?)

[Fect]

As long as there is discrimination, there is stereotyping. But the only way to do this is to remove all barriers: race, place, and wealth. Basically Communism...

However, humanity will not allow this as one man will always strive to be better than the other. And while this exists, there is discrimination.

[peacekeeper]

I am a Muslim myself and I am toatally glad that most people here do not have anyhting against us, The terrorist killed a lot of people in the 9/11 attacks. They caused alot of harm to others.They say they are fighting for islam but from what I see they are destroying Islam till I question whether they are Muslims or not.Islam means peace so why are they creating destruction killing innocent victim.I as a mUslim myself will say that I hate those terrorist myself.But it is lucky that in my country Singapore there is no racial discrimnation.There weere cases of it and the poeple ended up paying fine and one day jail.

[Patrick N.S.]

I don't see a problem with religion. Since im a aetheist. (or hove it is spelled).

[Pharcyde]

Im really kind of curious how one can be an aetheist.

[captain_soifon]

nah i dont have nething against muslims.. i have a muslim friend his lebo and hairy...xD

[FascionViktem5k]

well me personally i have no problem with anyone.. unless they give me a problem... i've grown up.. pretty much everywhere.. lol! so it's really hard for me to be all like "i don't like cuz of your religion/race/gender/whatever else there is" .... i actually like even if i will myself to do it.. i still can't... it just doesn't make sense to hate an entire group of people because of a few individuals...

and somewhere in this thread someone said something about Al Qaeda.. um... there's no such thing... the gov created that term so that it would be easier to group them together... terrorist cells work individually... not in big groups... but since it is stereotyped as such it was easier to make a word that would group these people... there was this documentary that i watched not too long ago about that and some people actually went there and ask "have you heard about Al Qaeda" and they were like "wtf is that?" well not in those words.. but you get the point...

and someone mentioned how one can be aitheist? (spell check?) well it's difficult cuz you'd have to say that you don't believe.. but most aitheists say they believe in nothing.. which contradicts itself because they are believing in something... which is nothing... so most of them have to learn that theyr play on words needs to be fixed and just say "i don't believe.." and it is possible! but i don't know how since i'm not one.... lol.... but yeah...

i'm glad a lot of people are open minded here! yay liberals!!!! (too bad i'm moderate...)

[bebe50UL]

i dont have nething against muslims. i dont judge ppl by their religion or anything like that.

[koreasamurai]

i dont have nething against muslims. i dont judge ppl by their religion or anything like that.


pshhh thats a completle lie. if someone says there don't judge people there wrong. People judge other people all the time. If u c homeless guy on the ground u judge them, if u c a rich person u judge them. If someone worships satanism u judge them. People judge in the wrold by how they are. Thats just life

[bebe50UL]

well what i meant was in general. like at school i dont go judging ppl by their reglious. liike oh, that person is muslim i'm gonna keep my distance away from them.. well at least thats what im tryna say.

[Raku]

I dont know why I should have that.. wouldn't it be kinda racistick to be?

[Minami Ikki]

This is another matter of those religious "Oh my gosh, blame blah blah blah for this! Your people suck because of your religion. Blah blah blah."
Though they did do something bad, it doesn't mean they're all bad, I mean they're trying to fix their countries right? So I have no problem with them as long as they stay peaceful. :/

[vittorio301]

Im koo with all religons. I dont blame muslims or whatever for anything. I blame those who disgrace their religion and beliefs.

[lmegera]

See, with the Muslim people, I think everyone needs to realize its only a small percentage of the population that are extremely radical. So, in that case, Love EVERYONE!!! FREE LOVE!!!
*crushes everyone with love*

[FascionViktem5k]

i love you too!!! *gets crushed* yay for not being a radical!!! whee!!! *sends love*

[Isis]

*gets crushed and receives love* Haha,FascionViktem5k and Imegera you're absolutely right. It's only a small percentage that are radical but they are the ones that gets the most attention because they go against what most people believe to be wrong.

It's real cool that a whole lot of you dont give racial discrimination to people ^^ You guys rock! :headbang:

[demonbane91]

I dont have anything agaist muslimswell except muslim terrorists because iam muslim too!

[Rumor]

I don't have a problem with Muslims, but I have a BIG problem with anyone who kills for religion. It's not just Islamic extremists, The Isralies are also setting off bombs in the Middle East and Christians or "The Army of God" are always bombing things that 'offend God' here in the US, and didn't a band of Budist Japanese people relise mustard gass in a tokyo subway a few years back? It's all complete bullshit no matter witch religion is behind it.

[FascionViktem5k]

that is why no one really discriminates... it's just the radicals that no one likes... in the end when you really look at it religion isn't all that bad!!! it's ppl like the radicals that make it look bad! which is why they should be killed by what they all believe in!!!! (wouldn't that be just the coolest sight? especially their faces when it happens..... oh now i wanna see it happen!!!!)

[Shaehl]

I have nothing against Muslims. I have nothing against Islam. What I do detest, is terrorists.

Unfortunately all Muslims are terrorists waiting to happen... Heh.

[Ios]

I have nothing against common muslims, but I don't really like any religion so Islam neither. That doesn't mean muslims are bad people or something. I just think that religions are a bad thing.

[akin_t]

I think it's only the muslims in the middle east that give Islam a bad name. Muslims elsewhere aren't known to be radical at all. I don't have anything against them; how could I? I have family and friends who are muslims. I don't believe in Islam but I don't hate muslims though.

[Ritam]

i don't know y but alot of people have things against muslims because in the past, some muslim criminals have commited crimes and then people say things against muslims that may be reffering to all the crimes that some muslims have commited in the past.....

[akin_t]

It's called generalization, and it's a very bad attitude for people to have; unfortunately, everyone generalizes to some extent and so the cycle would go on. Parents don't teach thier kids not to generalize stereotypes, it's very obvious because if a 5 yr old kid sees a dedicated middle-eastern muslim man, they won't have any fear for him,(they would when they grow older though, thus picking it up from mum and dad) thier parents however would just leave the building due to the fear of being blown up. (can't blame them really, anyone who is smart would. since in this case it's just playing safe really). It's bad to generalize, but everyone does it, and sometimes it's alright to have assumed opinions of someone but just don't let it get out of hand.

[ProtoFunc]

I dunno, I think the men who crashed into the twin towers and the little old lady down the street, who both claim to be muslims, are and must be classified as muslims. There is no generalization of that. They may not share the same values, but they are still muslims. As far as the muslims in the middle east, well, they are the core of the religion because that's where islam began. Again, they all may not share the same values and beliefs, but especially in the middle east, they are similiar. The only reason why we say here in america that middle easterns give islam a bad name, is because we got the watered down version of it. Islam is the middle east, there is no getting around that.

I have nothing against the people generally, but as far as the religion, it highly discriminates against Israelis and that's not cool (no im not a jew lol).

[FascionViktem5k]

well honestly speaking.. the whole generalization thing.. is mainly a psychological position we naturally take without even thinking about it sometimes... ya it's bad and all... but you can't really think it's a bad thing when you are not aware of the fact that it is bad... and whoever said religions are bad... no their not... it's ppl that make it bad... (Crusades anyone?) but otherwise i know alot of people who are very devoted to their religion and yet they are probably the coolest ppl i've met.... don't generalize!!

[Isis]

FascionViktem5k,I absolutely agree with you. Generalisations shucks. People change the impression of religion. If you just read the teachings of the holy books, we'll know that its all upside down (not that you didnt know that already).XD Don't think people are uncool just cause they're devoted to their religion. These people often kick ass and they're so fun to hang with ^^

And btw, RukiaRod,Islam is not just in the middle east! It's in South East Asia as well! (Fyi,talking about Islam countries)

[ProtoFunc]

And btw, RukiaRod, Islam is not just in the middle east! It's in South East Asia as well! (Fyi,talking about Islam countries)

oh yeah for sure, it's everywhere i know, i was jus talking about where it originated....i mean the whole journey to mecca thing is required for all muslims if you wanna go to muslim heaven (which i think is a little wierd about the whole strength of a hundred men to do like 75 virgins [but that's a seperate discussion])....but like i said, i dont have anything against muslims or those of any other religion, they are people just like you and me, it's just that some in those religions are a little way too extreme......but there is always someone in every religion who makes their denomination look bad....

[Shinigami MK]

I have nothing against muslims, being one myself.

Happy to see that theres alot of open minded people here. :]

[Sahiden]

Well, it's as easy as this:
If all terrorists would love to eat pizza. And they all would claim to be killing for the sake of pizza's...
Would that make everyone that eates pizza bad?
NO...
The pizza's aren't bad, they didn't cause the acts. The terrorists just used it as a petty excuse. Because even if there wouldn't be any religion. There still would be terrorists. Because all they want in the end is a diffirent goal then the one they claim to have.

[ProtoFunc]

lol...emmm yeah....But, they are still...emm...pizza eaters i guess. And there are different ways to express your love for...pizza....okay i'm lost now....

What i wanna know i guess, is how many share these views with the extremists? cause when we got hit in NY, it seemed that alot of the homebread islamists were pretty stoked. And that tells me something about what they want or believe, or was that just the media.

And one more thing, there are alot of requirements to being a muslim: the trip to mecca, prayer five times a day, for women covering their bod's with blankets. Hardly anybody in america (i dont know about other parts of the world) follow these regulations, which means that they cant really call themselves muslims right? And it cant be argued that it's a matter of standards because they are literal requirements to go to muslim soul society.

Let me know if i'm wrong.

[Fect]

The Media BLOWS EVERYTHING OUT OF PROPORTION!

Whatever has happened before cannot be unlearned, only retaught - And so:

"If we don't learn from the past, we are doomed to repeat it."

[FascionViktem5k]

well the media did show that they were all surprised.. but so was everyone else... and they were surprised cuz that ain't what their religion tells them... i wouldn't know anything about the muslims here.. but with your points i guess that wouldn't make them real muslims... i guess like .. half muslim? .. i dunno... i'm just gonna stop and not attempt to answer that...

(off topic ... Fect... don't you have a division signature yet? .. i mean i know our divisions aren't that popular but... how long has it been? go attack your captian and force him to get a move on the signature!! go!)

[Shinigami MK]

lol...emmm yeah....But, they are still...emm...pizza eaters i guess. And there are different ways to express your love for...pizza....okay i'm lost now....

What i wanna know i guess, is how many share these views with the extremists? cause when we got hit in NY, it seemed that alot of the homebread islamists were pretty stoked. And that tells me something about what they want or believe, or was that just the media.

And one more thing, there are alot of requirements to being a muslim: the trip to mecca, prayer five times a day, for women covering their bod's with blankets. Hardly anybody in america (i dont know about other parts of the world) follow these regulations, which means that they cant really call themselves muslims right? And it cant be argued that it's a matter of standards because they are literal requirements to go to muslim soul society.

Let me know if i'm wrong.

A muslim is someone who has Allah in his heart at all times. If you have Allah in your heart all the time, you wouldn't do anything thats against Islam, because you are reminded that Allah is watching you. You will be judged one day and so on. And yeah, praying 5 times a day, Going to Hajj[thats what going to Mecca is called] and yeah, and muslim women should have thier body covered down to the ankles.

You're correct. :)

[Shinraco]

hmm all positive post "I have nothing against Muslims" are we all that nice? if i was on the plane/if my life was in the hand of the man going to kill me because of Allah a God that i dont even believe in, would i hate that religion, there follower, at that moment would HATE them. i probably would after all im some what ignorant to there culture an religion but that's human nature. do i have anything against Muslims? No i find them to people just regular people, if it was different i would despise them i would let my ignorance cloud my judgement.

[rikki_shiratori]

honestly speaking, people who discriminate other people based on their race, religion, or personal preference are just too d***ned full of themselves... they think that they're the only ones who have the right to walk around with their heads held high...

personally, i don't have anything against anyone of a different religion... geez, i'd even like to interact with them: muslim, christian, buddhist, taoist... i think they would give me a different perspective of how i should view life itself...

do i make sense?

[FascionViktem5k]

yes you make sense... and it's good that you'd actually prefer to interact with different people... most people wouldn't care too much!

[Riyachan]

alright! oo; amazing amount of muslims here, I TOO am Muslim ^^;; and i also appreciate ALL the people who have contributed anything to this thread!! BUT...

Ok no offense to anyone or anything, but there are some things that must be said/cleared up

sry about the info. overload ...
THIS MAY SEEM LIKE A LOT OF INFO, BUT I THINK YOU WILL LEARN ALOT! and ps.. im NOT preaching just clearing up a few things about my religion.. you know... i think i would know that better than the media xD aha lol

THis is stupid, okay hello, wow ...

oh yeah for sure, it's everywhere i know, i was jus talking about where it originated....i mean the whole journey to mecca thing is required for all muslims if you wanna go to muslim heaven (which i think is a little wierd about the whole strength of a hundred men to do like 75 virgins [but that's a seperate discussion])....but like i said, i dont have anything against muslims or those of any other religion, they are people just like you and me, it's just that some in those religions are a little way too extreme......but there is always someone in every religion who makes their denomination look bad....
oo;;; wt… what is this “strength of a hundred men to do like 75 virgins”..>>;; nvr heard of that one before, I don’t think, .....im intrigued ....tell me more oo;;?... god what IS this oo;;?! more improtantly, WhERE is IT From!?!


There are many diff. muslims in the world, (basically b/c there is ALSO lots of CULTURE involved as well as RELIGION... i dont have AS MUCH A problem with people dissing outrageous parts of cultures AS MUCH AS i have one with people, *anyone*, mistaking CULTURE for RELIGION)

BUT in regards to the religion of ISLAM, there is only one Qu'ran and only one true version which (except for some verrry rare like .000000001 % of people may have made a diff. version to follow Oo;;? ??? who knows) we shall use as the definition of Islam soooooo with that said, here is some basic info NOT inflated/tweaked by media etc.:

LETS START with this , yes, i am muslim, and yes, i hate the terrorists, b/c in my opinion whatever they did was wrong, in any way *I* look at it in my religion, to come up with something to rationalize that you'd have to be beyond extreme, on crack, and/or seriously brainwashed! (not by the religion but other people in the countries whose only goal is to control for ppl for their own purposes ) ^^;eheh... yeah...

-SECOND POINT: YES WE HAVE 5 MAIN REQUIRMENTS TO MAINTAIN TO BE CONSIDERED MUSLIM WHEN WE DIE: to go on a pilgramage to mecca at least once, to pray at least 5 times a day (if you miss some, big whoop, you arent going to hell just b/c that one time you forgot), to fast from sunrise to sundown for a specific lunar month(ramadan), to give money to the poor (zakat, and IF only you are able to do so), and to believe that there is only one god, and his LAST messenger is Muhammed. also i'd like to mention that some one may help with the pilgramage, or like have an intention to someday if you are unable, and for people who are too poor or sick or something its not like you'll go to hell for that *rolls eyes* xD seriously ppl haha

-THIRD POINT: I AM FEMALE AND WEAR THE SCARF/CLOTHING REQ.s:, and full sleeved, and ankle covering clothing, its really not that bad, AND i am cannot be forced to according to my religion, AND its purpose is to simply keep me safe from prying eyes and innappropriate desires, esp from men (no offense to anyone, but we are all just humans) and to protect my Modesty: the hair of a female can change the appearance very much, and in many cultures is a token of beauty, i dont understand why i would want to display this precious thing to the world, (ok i do understand, im only human, but really if you had a choice between being respected and drooled over by every specimen of male to walk your path *ick*(xD no offense ppls) which would you choose ladies? rationally, seriously, and not to mention its almost like being under the ever present threat of rape etc...)

-FOURTH POINT: BFs & GFs AND MARRIAGE: yes we don't believe in sex before marriage, you kno the standard no fornication, adultry stuff, and we dont (usually..>>; you're not supposed to) date (no bf and gf), and we cannot (according to the religion, altho it is different for culture aka NOT RELIGION) CaNNOT be forced into marriage, and for marriage we have a "courtship" kind of deal (tis complicated, if you confused, just ask me to explain a lil more)

-FIFTH POINT: HOLY WAR?: yes we have concept of jihad, or holy war, but it doesnt mean like physical war ppls!! usually it means an inner war with your inner desires and demons etc..., like "ooooh! i want that guy/girl and stop being so moral! (*giggles* OVER exaggeration xD)...." then..." no! this life is only a test, only a temporary period of time, in which we are tested in for our devotion to our creator, (as we believe) .. etc etc... and that this life is NOTHING compared to eternity and heaven and hell,...and so therefore we must be strong! etc etc etc "
*the only permissable Physical "Holy war", is when our countries are being invaded, but you're not supposed to kill every innocent in sight!!! just the freaking soldiers that are attacking your country/village/place etc.!!!! and even then you aren't supposed to kill everything in your path! you want to take as many prisoners as possible!!! that you CANNOT abuse!!! there's a whole bunch of rules you gotta follow, including NOT abusing PoWs!!!

I KNOW our religion seems strict (come on people i have only really lived it ever day for the past 4-5 years, at the very least, one would think i would know this),
BUT if you ever read the Qu'ran, there are no commands or rules for us there that are there to hurt, only those of wisdom and things for our own protection, and its not like if you are NOT ABLE to do something you'll go to hell
Example: of something that may hurt us that we are prohibited from doing: eating pork, people tell me that it tastes good and all, but scientific studies have shown, since pigs can sweat they retain looots of impurities,... thats not exactly healthy to eat oO;;


once again, sry if that was an overload, and if you have any other rebukes/questions please you can ask me or read the qu'ran yourself or find a CORRECT source, as in not the internet and not what i like to call cultural flunkies (more culture than religion) (no offense to anyone, i have a side of family full of them)

DisClaImEr: and PLeASE dont take my word for word on everything, most things are just generalized, and i may have somethings mis-written that i didnt catch, not to mention i too am still learning

Ignorance breads Hate, Disrespect, feelings of revenge all that good stuff --; , etc...and that is what i think TOO many people suffer from!!

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See, with the Muslim people, I think everyone needs to realize its only a small percentage of the population that are extremely radical. So, in that case, Love EVERYONE!!! FREE LOVE!!!
*crushes everyone with love*
haha *superglomp* glad you feel that way, glad your friends with me xD haha

wOOt wOOt*



frankly people, i dont really see, rationally speaking, why anyone would want to generalize... a DIFF set of CIRCUMSTANCES affects everyone, and therefore they are subject to being treated as an individual b/c they have diff. circumstances, different from EVERYONE and to generalize is MORE than POINTLESS, because EVEN if you are right that is only one face, on facet of who they are --;;;.... xD am i right?

[Hansy]

I haven't read like anything in this thread expect for some of the above post but...
No, I don't have anything against muslims

-Fin

[MVIK]

If u have met a muslim n u hate him alot, just call him "Babi" it means pig. It's very offensive to them if u use it against them.

Im just telling this to u for fun, i dont have anything against Muslim.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I know a couple people who are muslim at my school. They're cool though and character is all that really matters to me. People shouldn't make value judgments based on something as trivial as beliefs. Well, I'll make an exception for racism and prejudice. Those two are something that should always be taken seriously.

[Shinigami MK]

If u have met a muslim n u hate him alot, just call him "Babi" it means pig. It's very offensive to them if u use it against them.

Im just telling this to u for fun, i dont have anything against Muslim.

Wow, that's VERY nice. -.-

What language is it in?

And dude really, if someone called me a pig, I'd laugh at thier stupidity or ignore them, and wouldn't be offended at all. :/

[MVIK]

It's in Malay. See a Muslim, go right up to him n say "Assalamualaikum, Babi Sial, Jinjang...."*Islam n Malay language* They will straight away say "kurang ajar-nyer budak ni" and leave u or they'll probaly beat u up until even your mom doesnt recognise u. Y calling them a pig is offensive? I've forgotten bout it...

I'm from M'sia so i got lots of Muslim's fren. Some are cool but most are annoying that u want to strangle them each time u see them, but at least they're better than most of the Indians.

[FascionViktem5k]

i guess the name calling goes way back when it meant something really horrible... like today.. when someone says f*ck... no one cares.. whereas before when someone said it .. it was like some horrible sin!

[Riyachan]

If u have met a muslim n u hate him alot, just call him "Babi" it means pig. It's very offensive to them if u use it against them.

Im just telling this to u for fun, i dont have anything against Muslim.
hmmm ive nvr heard that before oO;

Wow, that's VERY nice. -.-

What language is it in?

And dude really, if someone called me a pig, I'd laugh at thier stupidity or ignore them, and wouldn't be offended at all. :/
ditto xD lol

[_strangechild_]

I think the whole thing against Muslims is stupid. What the terrorists do is against Islam as far as my knowledge takes me and I'm sure Allah would not request for people to go blowing up people for no reason. I think if you don't know much about Islam and you think that Muslims are all horrible based on what you know about the terrorists then I advice you look deeper into Islam to understand it better.

I heard this horrible story that this Muslim woman in hospital was found dead in the hospital toliets with bacon all over her. I think that is so offensive and rude.
I think that Muslims are forbidden to eat pig, I imagine that's why it's offensive to them to call them a pig as well as because some (don't know about all) recognise a pig as a dirty animal, also and seem to dislike pigs. I personally wouldn't call a Muslim a pig based on that information.
Ooh, look what I found: "NOVELTY pig calendars and toys have been banned from a council office — in case they offend Muslim staff."

So I'm guessing they really don't like pigs...

Speaking of Muslims, I'm trying to answer these questions on it to prepare for my exams. O_O... Wish me luck, I need it. I have such a poor memory.

[FascionViktem5k]

well yes.. they kinda are forbidden to eat pig.. but that whole banning pig merchandise because it offended some staff is kinda stupid... if it offends you.. don't look at it... it's not on your desk to begin with... wat if the person who has it comes from some tribe and the pig was like their main animal? (a little far fetched but it could happen!) that's kinda mean.. that's like saying "your green shirt offends me" and then the next day all green things are banned... no... that's wrong...

and that woman... um... where was the hospital staff when this happened? that's not a safe enviornment if that happened to her.. her family should have sued or something...

[Aragami]

After reading this thread....has anyone even realized that the so-called muslims responsible for terrorism aren't true muslims? They're just blaming their behaviour on a religion. You know, like the crusades? Those guys were terrorists. Captain Morgan of Prot Royal, Jamaica? Terrorist. It's a shame that today's society is so susceptable to propaganda...

nevermind, saw somthing similar a few posts above, wasn't paying complete attention...

[_strangechild_]

and that woman... um... where was the hospital staff when this happened? that's not a safe enviornment if that happened to her.. her family should have sued or something...
No idea. I don't know how she got there or anything. But I hope the family did stand up and say something, it is a very rude thing to have done and the staff must have been asked for some explanation for this. When a Muslim dies, the body is not to be touched by non-Muslims and not to be harmed (as I understand it). So, it was very sad that she died like that.

I agree with you, Aragami, it is a shame.
And I wish a lot of people could see that the terrorists are bad Muslims. I don't see why they think they'll go to paradise for killing innocent people. O_o

[_strangechild_]

Wish me luck in my R.E Religion and Life exam. O_O I really need it.
[Leaves to do exam] Ciao!

[Sunfire249]

Hmm, well as for this thread I will say this once and once only: I have nothing against muslims. Just because some muslim guys are dumb-asses and make it look bad for others doesn't mean that they're all bad.

[_strangechild_]

Here, here. ^^

[maximoose666]

Here, here. ^^

Yep I agree copletely; I just hope enough Muslims realise that most people (white or otherwise) have nothing against them whatsoever. The bigoted weirdos are in the minority!

[MVIK]

Yea... the muslims in M'sia arent bad....*well, not all actually* They can be cool too.
O, n afta reading _strangechild_'s post, i remember y calling them pig is offensive, because they considered pig as a dirty thing. They wont even go near a pig, even a plush pig is offensive to them...

[_strangechild_]

Um.
So, I'd prefer it if the people who call Muslims 'pigs' didn't do so anymore after knowing that. I'd be utterly offended by it if it was really that horrible to me.
Thank you ^^

[FascionViktem5k]

oh the only reason why it came up was if you encountered a muslim that was ... not very nice... like and asshole... kinda like when you encouter an asshole white guy... you'd call him white trash or something like that... you know.. offensive things to people who are mean... but yes i wouldn't like to be called that... since i was called a commi for a long time.. even though my country is and has been for a long time NOT communist... (dumb people are everywhere...)

[vejitto3]

I got a problem with them they killed jesus lol just joking becuase i'm part of the minority it's hard for me to judge every upon the actions of one person like every one does me

[_strangechild_]

Speaking of,
I had this argument with this guy because he said I don't act like a 'normal part black person'. So fun. What a fool, you do not argue with me, I type essays on subjects for a start. Not only would I give you a mouthful, I'll bore you to death. Ha ha.

[vejitto3]

Speaking of,
I had this argument with this guy because he said I don't act like a 'normal part black person'. So fun. What a fool, you do not argue with me, I type essays on subjects for a start. Not only would I give you a mouthful, I'll bore you to death. Ha ha.

lol same here every one whose not black tells me that i'm whitish lol and no black person has ever said anything that stupid to me though

[_strangechild_]

HA HA, black with a hint of white!

My mates (they were joking) were going on about how they should cut me in half so that my white friend can hang out with the white part of me and my black friend could hang out with the black part. That day was weird. We were saying what body parts are our different nationalities =P I love my friends.

[akin_t]

Vegitto and Nila, I thought I was the only person who got told that. I can account for not behaving black though, I wasn't raised in america so it would be hard for me to talk like the black people here do, I did try though but it was so difficult for me, that I had to stick with my original accent = hackney + australian + Nigerian (yeah what a mix I've got going on) funny thing is when I do talk, people don't even notice that I'm not from here, they just label me as a whitish black kid lol.

I don't get teased about it though, people just notice it, comment on it and forget about it.

[_strangechild_]

Black with a wee bit o' white.
- Still makes me laugh.


I don't even try and talk like my mates. I sound really posh compared to a lot of them, but whatever.
And I'm not even going try and seriously speak saying "dem" instead of "them" etc, I'd look so stupid. Ha ha. I do it for a joke though, I snapped (jokingly) at this guy talking like I was some 'rude gal' and he was like, "O_O" Ha ha, poor guy. I told him I was joking and he was all, "Yeah.. I knew that... [backing away]".

[ProtoFunc]

I understand about the language part, how when they type and talk they use grammar like "foo, whatcha tink about dat...", wait, forget the "tink" part, filipinos do that, but in general i mean. It's kinda lame though and annoying to have to read that especially......oraly i guess it's okay, but still. But yeah, im half black and my dad tryed to steer away from all that contreversy. One thing, how'd the convo switch to blacks in a muslim discussion? funny...lol...

[akin_t]

Thats what I was wondering too, but decided to think little of it. Anyway I don't hate muslims at all, but the ones that use islam as an excuse to kill others is just ridiculous, I mean those sharia laws are very stupid, it's like if a woman steps out of line (not literally, I mean like not covering up), it's off with her head.

[714]

I read about all that in school. And, i have no hate towards muslims at all either. I just hate the group of people who go out killing etc. Just the members of the "group" Hope that makes sense ^_^ While it is brutal what happens like "off with her head" we must remember that it is how it is in that specific area. I'm not saying that i am for it, because i am actually against something like that as well. But we can't force anyone to change, if we tried, it would result in wars etc. But that's just me..

[akin_t]

yeah I know, and it's sad isn't it. Some muslim nations treat their women really badly, they need to change thier rules IMO because it is the 21st century and women shouldn't have to suffer that kind of nonsense; thier rules apply to guys too though, but they aren't as lethal.

[714]

Yea, if there was a way we could do it, we should. Glad we can see eye to eye, all we can really do is hope someone takes leadership that can help.

[Vigilant Wind]

Yeah, I have nothing against muslims at all. I've only ever met a few personally, and those few have been perfectly normal, nice people. But then again, I didn't need to meet a muslim to kno that I have nothing against them. Personally, I always try to keep an open mind about everyone. I try to never judge anyone until I actually find out what they're like, and then its never based on what their religion or race is. Besides which, you can never base the will or actions of the few on the majority.
Well, thats my two cents.

[_strangechild_]

Believe it or not, Muslim women are seen as equal to men and just as important. They cover up to protect themselves from stranger's wondering eyes. But, I see what you mean. We view the laws as pretty harsh.
In some places, Islamic rules are taken very seriously. If you're caught stealing your hand will be cut off, I don't know if they've made that less harsher or not though. Anyways, if you expose yourself to a person other than your husband, which is not what Allah wants to happen, then that's an added sin to your list.

I found some quotes on the matter:

"Allah (swt) had shown us the hikma (wisdom) behind the legislation of the hijab: 'And when you ask them (the Prophet's wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and their hearts.' " - (S33:53).

"The Prophet (pbuh) also said: "Any woman who takes off her clothes in other than her husband's house (to show off for unlawful purposes), has broken Allah's shield upon her."

The Prophet (pbuh) said, "The hand should be cut off for stealing something that is worth a quarter of a Dinar or more."

[FascionViktem5k]

..... it was very interesting reading that whole bit about how black people are viewed and then back to muslim non-hating... i'm confused so i'll add a good post tomorow...

[Purokku-kun]

A Muslim posting on another of the forums I visit stated that the religion, at its heart, is above reproach, but it's the interpretation of it by fallible mortals that twists and corrupts it.

This is what I believe - the atrocities are committed by people twisting the basic beliefs. As such, I have nothing against Muslims themselves, just the idiots who go off the rails. But the same would hold true for anyone, regardless of which faith they profess to follow.

[FascionViktem5k]

Puro... you used very lovely language to describe what everybody thinks in here... bravo!!! i like your wording too.. and those big words... *is a college freshman yet is a 5 year old*

who else agrees with me? did Puro just say what we all think? or did Puro just say wat we all think?!

[Purokku-kun]

Puro... you used very lovely language to describe what everybody thinks in here... bravo!!! i like your wording too.. and those big words... *is a college freshman yet is a 5 year old*

who else agrees with me? did Puro just say what we all think? or did Puro just say wat we all think?!

Very kind, milady ;)

And I'm a cranky old language graduate, so I always try to use nice words.

Still, it would be interesting to see what others think.

[MVIK]

Believe it or not, Muslim women are seen as equal to men and just as important.
No they're not.... it seems so, but there's a part where they are not equal. But i can't say it here because it's foul n against my promise. I know this because i was taught by Muslims teachers n my frens are Muslims.

[_strangechild_]

I know that some parts are not so 'equal' on the subject, but I thought with most things they were (or are supposed to be), as they have equal rights and are valued for their role as Muslim women and are seen as equals to Allah.
Umm.. [Goes on a Google search, ha, Google's my friend].

"Women have equal rights with men before the Shari'ah, and the Qur'an proclaims that they are equal with men in the sight of God. In the Holy Qur'an, God says:

"I suffer not the work of any one among you, whether male or female, to be lost. One is from the other." [Qur'an 3:195]" - Source: http://muslim-canada.org/pickthall.htm
- I haven't read through the whole thing.

Well, I'll have to ask my friends, I guess. ARGHH, I HAVE MY R.E EXAMS ON WEDNESDAY >< I don't know anything about Christianity or Islam it seems, lol.

[FascionViktem5k]

it's ok.. you don't need to know anything.. just take the exam!! lol!

and i think your right their supposed to be equal but.. their not.. most of the time... i think anyway.. i could be wrong... i dunno ...

[_strangechild_]

^^ In certain places I guess they're treated badly, whereas in others they're not, maybe.

I dooooo! I took the mock exam. My gosh, I did rubbish! There was this 8 mark question on the Greater Jihad and I doubt I got all those marks at all. >_<

[FascionViktem5k]

eh who cares.. so long as you tried...

and of course in certain places their treated badly.. that's with everything...

but i mainly don't like people that try to convert others to their religion... like Jahovah's Witness... i think their creepy... and they should stop going my boyfreinds house and waking up his gramma to try and convert her... no other religion does it! why do they?!?!

[Baron]

Nope. Islam is not about terrorism.

[Purokku-kun]

Ignorance is at the root of all prejudice. If people were better informed about the different faiths, a lot of mistaken perceptions could be altered.

[FascionViktem5k]

Ignorance is at the root of all prejudice. If people were better informed about the different faiths, a lot of mistaken perceptions could be altered.

even if they were educated.. many people are still prejudiced.. for example i knew someone (no names) who had like a ... 3.3 GPA or something... i dunno he was average and he was like one of those skin heads.. (except without the actual skin head) like he had jews and blacks and everybody... unless they were white... and no one could convince him otherwise.. no matter what you said he just countered it with something stupid... i guess it just depends on the person and their beliefs..