Chapter 204: Mala Suerte!3 "Monstruo Sangrienta" [Archive]

Abarai Nama

11-16-2005, 05:59 PM

This week's chapter is called (as the title says) Chapter 204: Mala Suerte!3 "Monstruo Sangrienta" or Bad Luck!3 "Bloody Monster".

Pics (colour spread!)

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=170044qi.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bleeach2045sn.jpg

Summary
Ichigo and Grimmjow face off. Rukia says what's this spirit pressure? Is this an Arrankaru? He's completely different from the guy before, the spirit pressure is on a whole other level. Grimmjow who more and more resembles a grown up hitsugaya then says which one is he stronger one. Should I ask which one is it then Rukia tells Ichigo to retreat at once. Then in an instant she gets stabbed in the gut and Grimmjow says like I thought this isn't it.

Switch to Ikkaku vs Edorad. Edorad says that in Arrakaru sword release they take the shape of sword or something. He says their sword release is their true form and true power etc...Yumichika gets a phonecall on his shinigami cell The person on the phone tells him that the enemy's ability far exceeds what they expected. Ikkaku gets his *** beat and chapter ends with Ikkaku proclaiming he will use ban kai. Also vaizards I'm a bit disappointed Ikkaku better be joking otherwise this is getting ridiculous by the chapter.

Grimjaw's hair and eyes are icy blue, not bad, I'd say.

Pics and summary by: hi no ken jebus from Bleachforums.

the454casull

11-16-2005, 06:11 PM

I have a feeling that before it's over, we will see several main characters below captain level acheve Bankai.Also, I have to agree with you on the Grimmjow looking like Hitsugaya thing, it's kind of strange, if you think about it.

brolijc

11-16-2005, 06:24 PM

Ikkaku claiming he gonna use Ban Kai!?!?!? OMG that's surprising, and Yachiru is even stronger than him, can't imagine 11th division's real power

MetalgearV2

11-16-2005, 06:47 PM

ikkaku's bankai?!? i hope it looks good because he is one of my favorite chars!

i just noticed something on the 2nd link of all the manga pages who is the girl on the very right scan?, she has the same mask as ichigo. She doesnt look like arrancar because of those eye's, any thoughts?

Zangetsu Tensa

11-16-2005, 06:57 PM

Are you sure that it didn't say shikai instead of bankai? Ikakkaku still hasn't even used his shikai yet, and I'd agree that a third seat (who was beaten back when Ichigo was still fairly weak) having bankai is stretching it.

It also just struck me that it's possible that Edorad may have been Hitsugaya's brother in life, and then died and became a hollow. Being related to Hitsugaya, it's very possible that he was also powerful and thus a prime candidate for Aizen's experiments. The resemblance can't be just a coincidence.

SumpfFuchs

11-16-2005, 07:06 PM

....poor rukia.... :( ..... grimmjaw better get his ass kicked for doing that

the454casull

11-16-2005, 07:24 PM

They all got in quite a bit of training while Ichigo was in SS, plus the time between when he left and now, that amounts to quite a bit of time to train and get stronger.

brolijc

11-16-2005, 07:24 PM

that girl should be a Vizard

sinkinswimmer

11-16-2005, 07:54 PM

i'll wait for the raw, last week had a fake summary / script... to so i'm gonna stay skeptical this week.

SumpfFuchs

11-16-2005, 08:03 PM

grimmjaw still hurts rukia, so i will not change my opinion that he needs a asskicking

omfgman

11-16-2005, 09:06 PM

lol dont worry sumpf... ichigo will beat him.... unless his hollowself gets in the way

Quincy_Pride

11-16-2005, 09:09 PM

how do we know he hasn;t achieved Bankai? I mean it takes a heck of a long time to master. I don't see why he can't achieve it.

SumpfFuchs

11-16-2005, 09:24 PM

lol dont worry sumpf... ichigo will beat him.... unless his hollowself gets in the way

well if ichigo doesnt beat him, ill first kick grimmjaws ass, then ill kick ichigos ass when im done.

brolijc

11-16-2005, 09:28 PM

Go Grimjaw GO! shit, i think i gonna get whacked up by many people -_-~~~

Master O

11-16-2005, 09:29 PM

This week's chapter is called (as the title says) Chapter 204: Mala Suerte!3 "Monstruo Sangrienta" or Bad Luck!3 "Bloody Monster"
.

Actually, it's Monstruo Sangriento, not sangrienta.

If the title was spelled that way in Japanese, than disregard what I said.
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Anyways, why do I have the feeling by the end of this arc, they're going to end up in Hueco Mundo, and EVERYONE there will speak Spanish?

Darkness_becomes (me)

11-16-2005, 09:49 PM

LoL... Why do I have the feeling that everyone speaks Spanish in hell?

Anyways, Ikkaku had better not have Bankai. I like the guy and all, but he is a 3rd seat, and most VC's aren't supposed to have Bankai. I'm glad that the enemies are getting stronger, though.

StoneTitan

11-16-2005, 10:17 PM

About that last picture to the right.
From Bleach Forums i heard it came from "Taizo Mote King Saga".
Which is a parody manga.
Djudge statet that after looking at both the drawing style aswell as the paper(its drawn on a diffrent kind of paper)

Centro

11-16-2005, 10:18 PM

To Zangetsu Tensa who wondered if Ikkaku actually did say Bankai you can see for yourself on the right side of the second pic. I don't know japanese but the symbol for 'ban' is there.

So if Ikkaku has bankai I wonder if we'll see a Yachiru bankai!!! Oh the possibilities for what that would be! But I guess she kind of has had Zaraki's attitude for a long time, that the zanpakuto spirit isn't important.

the454casull

11-16-2005, 10:38 PM

if the antagonists get stronger, then the protagonist must follow suit, that's the apparent rule of stories like these. otherwise, the heros all die and you have no story. With Ikkaku, you've gotta remember that he's in 11th Division, where apparently everyone is stronger than they should be. Also, it would seem that the seated officers get to kind of pick what seat they want, I guess it's a game of what's your favorite number.

Ferag

11-16-2005, 11:32 PM

Hmmmm if Ikkaku gets Bankai...well its sucks....and he haven use is shikai...well.....If everyone gets bankai it will be kind of dull .

At least the ennemies strong ^^

Wait and see than.....

brolijc

11-16-2005, 11:37 PM

if the good guys don't have stronger powers, then all will be gone if Ichigo is one of the few who keeps fighting, what a bore that will be

Ferag

11-16-2005, 11:40 PM

Your right lol but if everyone gets bankai....it don't know its just the same as if everyone didnt get it...

And maybe Ikkaku can be a VC but he can't because Yachiru is the best Friend of Zaraki.....

jonat3

11-16-2005, 11:40 PM

Ikkaku has bankai, the pic clearly has him saying bankai. Actually, i don't find it that impossible for Ikkaku to have bankai. That's cause Ikkaku belongs to the 11th division and he VC level. He's as qualified as Renji to possess bankai.

Sir_unforgiven

11-17-2005, 12:03 AM

ikkaku is believable with bankai only because he is from the 11th, he's definitely at vicecaptain level cause he was fighting mustache guy who was a VC, and since all 11th are pretty much obsessed with being the strongest i'm sure he has been training like crazy etc..

Jinchuu

11-17-2005, 01:26 AM

If Ikkaku uses Ban Kai that means every single shinigami will start using Ban Kai in future lol. Well come to think of it both Renji and Ikkaku are vice-captain level so he actually might have a Ban Kai but I prefer he rather use shi kai only.

Duo-Xun

11-17-2005, 01:37 AM

I sorta agree. Ikkaku using Bankai sorta feels weird. I mean, how many captains haven't even showed us what their Shikai does, and you have Ikkaku using Bankai now. But hopefully it will be cool at least. And we won't suddenly see Fuzzy Mustache guy or w/e using Bankai anytime, though to be honest I think it'd be funny if he did.

Darkness_becomes (me)

11-17-2005, 03:08 AM

As I've said in another thread: The main thing that bothers me about Ikkaku is that Ichigo OWNED him before Ichigo even powered up. Because it supposedly takes soooo many years to achieve Bankai, I refuse to believe that all of a sudden so many people would be able to. I think that Ichigo and Uruhara are unique in that sense; Renji was already very close to it when he started training with Ichigo.

I reaalllly hope Ikkaku doesn't really have bankai.

Duo-Xun

11-17-2005, 03:24 AM

Well from the last pic it looks like he does. Like someone said, it looks like he's actually calling it out and activating it.

Darkness_becomes (me)

11-17-2005, 03:30 AM

I'm hoping he's bluffing, or that someone altered the image.

ultimate

11-17-2005, 03:53 AM

I'm hoping he's bluffing, or that someone altered the image. i would find it funny if someone altered the image... anyway if ikkaku does have bankai, i would find it weird... bankai i reckon is more like an ability only for captains or shinigami at captain level like ichigo, thats wat i think anyway... renji can be approved of since hes been training like crazy to surpass byakuya but ikkaku suddenly having bankai seems weird unless... he took that 3 day training thing that urahara came up with... if ikkaku does have bankai, it'd better look cool lol

Duo-Xun

11-17-2005, 03:58 AM

Well he could have been training like crazy anyway. Division 11 seems to be all about being powerful, hence their members in seats being able to take on VCs. So it's possible he's been training, and the only reason he didn't use it against Ichigo that time was because he hadn't quite mastered it or anything yet. He could have just finished training to unlock it between Ichigo leaving SS and arriving on Earth.

the454casull

11-17-2005, 06:12 AM

If Ikakku Doesn't have bankai, he will surely die, unless there is some miracle to save him. did anyone put thought into the fact that there might be more than one or two ways to acheive bankai? Or maybe he was already getting close to achieving bankai when he fought Ichigo and fighting "Mustache guy" was exactly the training he needed to complete that training.I hope he does have bankai, I'd hate to see the loss of such a good character.

kuchiki_rukia1

11-17-2005, 06:34 AM

I think it's very possible that Ikakku has bankai. He's 3rd seat of the 11th Division. Other people such as Renji and "Mustache guy" (Iba Tetsuzaemo) left the 11th Division to become vice-captains. This means that being seated in the 11th Division is hard to come by and that the seated officers are quite powerful, they just don't have a shot at VC spot no matter their powers. I'm assuming that the reason Ikakku is 3rd seat is 1) Yachiru's powers are insane.....we already know she supresses her reiatsu or 2) Yachiru is VC simply because of her relationship with Ken-san :).

NetBelleAnie

11-17-2005, 07:47 AM

To Zangetsu Tensa who wondered if Ikkaku actually did say Bankai you can see for yourself on the right side of the second pic. I don't know japanese but the symbol for 'ban' is there.
it definantly says ban-kai *knows minor ammounts of nihongo*

maxhrk

11-17-2005, 08:36 AM

the problem is that... in script that Ikkaku's friend say on phone to prepare burial ceremony for him..

does that mean Ikkaku is prepared to die or something like that?

food for thought..

Duo-Xun

11-17-2005, 08:42 AM

In script? What do you mean? Where does Ikkaku's friend (I assume you're talking about Yumichika) say this? I must see thissssss.

maxhrk

11-17-2005, 08:49 AM

yeah Yumichika, yeah.

Duo-Xun

11-17-2005, 08:51 AM

maxhrk

11-17-2005, 08:56 AM

Yeah but where does he say that? Is there a script out for the chapter or something? Cause I haven't seen it, lol. But yeah, if you got one let us see. Cause I'm also wondering where he says to prepare a burial ceremony.

I find a script over at narutofan.com:
click here (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2447369&postcount=1)

Enjoy... Look at the very bottom and you will see him say it:

(snip)
Yumichika: A similar increase in power is predicted to occur with the other enemy subjects. Captain Hitsugaya Toushiro, Matsumoto Rangiku, Abarai Renji, Kuchiki Rukia, Kurosaki Ichigo, provide them all with a similar spatial freezing as well. Then, prepare prepare a burial ceremony for Madarame Ikkaku.
(/snip)

Duo-Xun

11-17-2005, 09:00 AM

I seeeee. Well if this is true (after last week I don't trust nothing till I see it scanslated) then that's pretty odd. I doubt very much Yumichika would put his friend in like that. But then again he could not realize that Ikkaku knows Ban Kai. That's one reason why he could say that.

Unrefined-Nemesis

11-17-2005, 11:30 AM

Anyone Has A Clue Who's The Girl With The Hollow Mask That Looks Very Similar To Ichigo's Hollow Mask ??

_Ink

11-17-2005, 12:30 PM

i think the possiblity is there for grimmjow to be the brother of hitsugaya. but that would be kinda ridiculous, i wish they are cousins, which is good enough.

rukia gets kicked so fast, after the cooler than cool Owning of Dee Roy? Oh well...

Vaizards...do you all mean that Saru girl? (she seems to have a name, but i can;t remember what.) apparently she is on the bad side too.

Duo-Xun

11-17-2005, 12:31 PM

Eh, if what I hear is right it's actually from a completely different Manga that seems to be a parody of Bleach, or parodying it in this instance. I forget the name of it though, gomen.

_Ink

11-17-2005, 12:43 PM

still too much to believe eh...i don't think so.
in order to make a parody manga, the average spin off time would be at least a month.
consider how close it is to the last chapter, that is not possible.

about this girl, i think it could be just a promo chapter (like colorful bleach) maybe a spin off by the original comic artist.

but she looks cool, i think the mask suits her better, and consider how there are several hollows in the animation that may carry the same form, i think it can be possible to have the same mask.

iBankai

11-17-2005, 12:44 PM

I think ikkaku will just be knocked out not killed. Then Zaraki or someone will come down and battle on.

Ikkaku is too good of a character to die!

Duo-Xun

11-17-2005, 12:50 PM

I doubt Ikkaku's gonna die. If he did I have a feeling Zaraki would bust in and kill everyone, lol.

Well whatever it is, that's what I read. That it's some manga like, poking fun or something at Bleach. Using it's design to parody it somehow. But meh, who the hell knows. I also thought Gin was gonna be in last weeks chapter for a while.

Cypher

11-17-2005, 05:39 PM

I'm not very sure, myself. But this mystery girl with the Hollow mask similar to Ichigo's reminds me a lot of Ururu. I'm probably wrong in thinking that, but Urahara did say after Lesson One that Ururu had 'Anti-Shinigami level abilities' (what was what it was translated into in the Lunar fan-sub, at least), and in a way that does seem to fit into the catagory of the Arrankar.

That's just my guess, though, and like I said it's proabably wrong. Still, it was interesting to think about.

Oh, and Grimmjaw is starting to remind me of Billy Idol...

_Ink

11-17-2005, 06:07 PM

LOL...billy Idol!!
check that out, and i was thinking he looked like jude law mixed with brad pitt and little of japanese

pangoolinn

11-17-2005, 07:36 PM

hmm, what I don't understand is, whether Ichigo is the only one having problems with his inner Hollow. I mean the way he becam a shinigami wasn't normal, now was it?? So I wonder if Urahara knew that Ichigo would have to fight with his Hollow? Or do all shinigami have this "innern Hollow" I also wonder when Ichigo finally will lose control..totally...like when he fought Byakuya...hmmm

Quincy_Pride

11-17-2005, 09:20 PM

Ferag

11-17-2005, 10:36 PM

Hahaha would be funny if Ururu is the girl in the end

Fect

11-17-2005, 10:41 PM

That girl is really strange-

maxhrk

11-18-2005, 12:14 AM

that girl at the end, from what i heard, was from parody manga not actual in bleach manga.

just a quick info for ya. :)

jonat3

11-18-2005, 12:27 AM

There is no reason why others cannot get a Bankai. Just because we've only seen Captains use it does not mean it is solely used for them. There are many ways to becoming a Captain. It takes a long time to master a Bankai. Abarai had a Bankai but that was through sheer determination to save Rukia. How do we know others have not achieved it before him.

Actually, Renji stated that he was already close to materializing his zanpakutou. This must mean that Renji must have atleast trained 10 years in order to achieve bankai.

red_dragone

11-18-2005, 01:31 AM

We also have to realize SS is not a stagnant place. Ranking members are constantly fighting and improving their skills. It's not doubtful that many Vice Captains could have achieved bankai, and since captains aren't killed in mass every day, they have no area for advancement.

Duo-Xun

11-18-2005, 01:41 AM

I think that makes sense, even more so for Division 11 because of their reputation. As the strongest they are probably always training to get stronger, and once you receive Shikai the next step if obviously Bankai. I doubt they would break from training after reaching Shikai, so I think it's believeable he has it. It just will be kinda cheap if they don't at all explain it or suddenly have like every since person get Ban Kai. It'd be cool to see someone defeat Bankai with Shikai actually, just by having a better strategy or something, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

summerslam

11-18-2005, 08:44 AM

cool! ikkaku going to use bankai. anyway i think its reasonable as.. for 11th squad captain,Zaraki, he dosent even know his sword's name, so dont talk about bankai. Yachiru should be about the same as Zaraki. so its totally reasonable for 11th squad 3rd seat to have a bankai. or else, it would be quite weird. becoz all the 13 squads should have at least a member who knows bankai, if one division dosent have anyone who knows bankai.. it would appear quite weird

Duo-Xun

11-18-2005, 12:48 PM

This may have already been asked, but does anyone know when the RAW and whatnot are going to come out?

Anil

11-18-2005, 02:54 PM

O_O

...What the hell is with all this conflicting information?

Screw this... I'm waiting till the chapter is released...

_Ink

11-18-2005, 03:25 PM

the girl is not ururu...different hairstyle, different looks, plus different in everything....

i have some things to ask, as according to byakuya, Bankai requires a significant amount of reiatsu and decent training before it is achievable.
Ichigo has the reiatsu, he trains hard and therefore yes...
i doubt that Ikkaku has that much...don;t ya all think so....

Herjan

11-18-2005, 03:27 PM

Actually, Renji stated that he was already close to materializing his zanpakutou. This must mean that Renji must have atleast trained 10 years in order to achieve bankai.
Actually Renji stated that he had REACHED the materializing stage, and was very close to BAN-KAI.

zembu

11-18-2005, 04:29 PM

yeah remember when hes in the cave that ichigo is training in and brings out zambimaru?

Duo-Xun

11-18-2005, 04:33 PM

Yeah but the thing is, Ikkaku yells out Ban Kai and his Zanpakuto is begining to change in the last picture we see. I know the kanji or wtfever it's written in enough to know it says Ban kai, no? Dunno what else is there, but yeah, his Zanpakuto looks like it's changing so it seems he has it.

Herjan

11-18-2005, 06:45 PM

Shinigamis are all about honor. You think a shinigami, and from the 11th divition nonetheless, would lie about reaching bankai? That would come close to admitting that you are weak!

Darkness_becomes (me)

11-18-2005, 08:31 PM

Shinigamis are all about honor. You think a shinigami, and from the 11th divition nonetheless, would lie about reaching bankai? That would come close to admitting that you are weak!
You're right; they are about honor. Are you telling me that he RECENTLY reached bankai, then? He let the enemy (Ichigo, at the time) win without giving it his all... that's pretty dishonorable, though.

Jinchuu

11-18-2005, 08:46 PM

Anyone Has A Clue Who's The Girl With The Hollow Mask That Looks Very Similar To Ichigo's Hollow Mask ??
I could not see that page on the JOJO scans. I'm hella curious bout who that Vaizard is and why s/he has same mask as Ichigo's on.

maxhrk

11-18-2005, 09:16 PM

I could not see that page on the JOJO scans. I'm hella curious bout who that Vaizard is and why s/he has same mask as Ichigo's on.

that picture you say was on parody manga... not actual in bleach manga. :)

Dooh

11-18-2005, 09:29 PM

Well I belive that he has reached bankai. If you look at the weapon it starts shaping as a large bone or something dreadfull atleast. And I read somewhere that his bankai associates with the festival of death.

my two cents.

SumpfFuchs

11-18-2005, 09:46 PM

i have come to a conclusion, grimmjaw is a asshole, a weakling, and a coward, when rukia turns to tell ichigo to fall back he takes advantage of her then stabs her in order to get ichigo to rush him in anger. i hate grimmjaw

brolijc

11-18-2005, 10:05 PM

that is called wisedom, i would do the same thing

Abarai Nama

11-18-2005, 11:55 PM

The raw is finally out! Here (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8Y7K0K88) :3

I love Grimjaw, though he attacked Rukia. Rukia is one of my favourite characters but I still love Grimjaw. <3

SumpfFuchs

11-19-2005, 12:26 AM

hm, now that i think it over.. again.. it seems almost as if rukia put herself between grimmjaw and ichigo.

Darkness_becomes (me)

11-19-2005, 02:13 AM

Awesome-looking chapter. It's a damn shame that I cannot read Japanese :_(

Can't wait to see the scanslation!

Unrefined-Nemesis

11-19-2005, 03:59 AM

Grimjaw Looks Like An Adult Version Of Hitsuyaga, Could It Be They Have Some Sort Of Relationship Maybe Brothers ??

Gundamblueriver

11-19-2005, 09:19 AM

Wow, the day I get the raw in my hands, it's released? That's pretty quick. I own the actual Weekly Jump that it came in, so I don't need to get the raw... but I did anyway. This raw is MUCH cleaner then the actual chapter is. However, this one lacks furigana. Therefore, mine is better.

Zangetsu Tensa

11-20-2005, 02:26 AM

Read the raw - looks interesting. Ikakku's shikai gets crushed incredibly quickly. I can't wait for the scanlations to get out.

Minami Ikki

11-20-2005, 03:27 AM

I read the scanlation. I can't believe it..Ikakku has
BANKAI! O_O

Sunfire249

11-20-2005, 04:16 AM

well if ichigo doesnt beat him, ill first kick grimmjaws ass, then ill kick ichigos ass when im done.
Lol, I like how you're planning this whole thing out.

Hmm, kinda funny how Rukia's so kick ass in one chapter and in the next she just... Isn't up to snuff let's just say.

Darkness_becomes (me)

11-20-2005, 12:55 PM

Well, Grimmjaw is apparrently much, much, MUCH stronger than D-Roy... so yeah, he owned Rukia.

mottesheard

11-20-2005, 01:02 PM

Another thing to consider, full release of zanpaktos weren't authorized within the court until Ichigo's Battle with Renji. Even if Ikkaku had Bankai at the time he fought Ichigo, he wouldn't have used it do to that rule. But I think Ikkaku's acheivement of bankai is fairly recent. I think he's been on the cusp of getting it for a while like Renji, and recent events drove him to strive harder to achieve it.

omfgman

11-20-2005, 02:54 PM

i bet grimjaw has bankai or something.. its going to be a tough battle

Zangetsu Tensa

11-20-2005, 04:10 PM

I read the scanlation. I can't believe it..Ikakku has
BANKAI! O_O
There's a scanslation out? Where?

Minami Ikki

11-20-2005, 04:49 PM

jonat3

11-20-2005, 05:27 PM

Well..This may be considered against Bleachportal..>_>

I got mine at BleachTV (http://www.bleachtv.com)

There's another point I have to say. If you didn't read the manga, DO NOT READ THIS.
The scanlation says that the ShiniHollow, have their own form of Zanpakutou release, NOW THERE'S PROOF THAT ICHIGO MAY HAVE ANOTHER ZANPAKUTOU FORMS...>_>

That isn't quite proof. Arrancar and vaizards may work differently. I do agree however that it's a good indicator that Ichigo may have other abilities. These new abilities may not necesarily rely on his sword.

Darkness_becomes (me)

11-20-2005, 06:26 PM

Thank you, Arakawa!

Anil

11-20-2005, 11:18 PM

M7 has a scanalation out color pics and such.. get it here...

enjoy...

http://bleach7.com/

read the chapter...finally...

OH NO... RUKIA GETS STABBED!!!!

Ichigo is either gonna get owned or give ownage.... but I'm more interested now in seeing what happens afterward...

I like the drama... so sue me...

Arrancar are scary... and I don't mean the OMG! way ... I mean in the sh*t yourself way... If I were anywhere near there I'd be tearing my way down the street in the opposite direction as fast as my reiatsu hampered limbs could carry me...

IamTHEkidKOALA

11-21-2005, 07:23 AM

ultimate

11-21-2005, 07:42 AM

well most people in the 11th division r supposed to be really strong anyway and i think ikkaku is meant to be vice captain level cos he was equal with iba tetsuzaemo and iba was once in the 11th division though he wasnt vice captain so he moved to the 7th division to be vice captain... renji also has bankai though it was explained that he wanted to surpass byakuya

Kenta

11-21-2005, 07:46 AM

Anyone think that the strength of Arrancars are determined by their numbers? Grimjaw is no. 6, Deeroy was something like 16. Grimjaw is probably the 6th strongest of all the Arrancars if you go by that theory.

Capthxc

11-21-2005, 08:22 AM

I find it ridiculous that Ikkaku has...

Bankai. I mean, he's not even a VC, but the fact that he has Bankai means he's technically stronger than most of the other VCs at Soul Society. That's really irritating to me. The manga is getting somewhat ridiculous, IMHO. I won't be too surprised if EVERYONE ends up with a Bankai at this point.

I was thinking that too. But im wondering, since the fruity guy(can never remember his name)said to prepare a funeral for ikkaku, that he knew he was going to release his bankai, and since someone like him doesnt seem nearly experenced enough for such a thing, i would think that it would kill him shortly after he used it.

Unrefined-Nemesis

11-21-2005, 09:44 AM

Okey I'm Getting Curious Of The Shimigami-Hollow Hybrid's Shikai Release.....

Sakura

11-21-2005, 10:06 AM

i wanna know what ikkaku's bankai is! i bet it does something massively deadly since they're going to need to prepare for his funeral... but that would be junk cuz ikkaku's funny.

uw10isplaya

11-21-2005, 12:17 PM

i wanna know what ikkaku's bankai is! i bet it does something massively deadly since they're going to need to prepare for his funeral... but that would be junk cuz ikkaku's funny.

They mean that ikkaku is going to die, not the other way around. However, that's before he relases his "thing", so that statement is void.

I find it ridiculous that Ikkaku has...

Bankai. I mean, he's not even a VC, but the fact that he has Bankai means he's technically stronger than most of the other VCs at Soul Society. That's really irritating to me. The manga is getting somewhat ridiculous, IMHO. I won't be too surprised if EVERYONE ends up with a Bankai at this point.

Exactly what went through my head. IMO, it's complete bs. "Spoiler word" was presented as some great achievement, almost of a legendary status among shinigami, although it seems like everyone and their mom can develop one now that it's convenient.

8GaugeBrett

11-21-2005, 12:29 PM

maxhrk

11-21-2005, 12:45 PM

They mean that ikkaku is going to die, not the other way around. However, that's before he relases his "thing", so that statement is void.

Exactly what went through my head. IMO, it's complete bs. "Spoiler word" was presented as some great achievement, almost of a legendary status among shinigami, although it seems like everyone and their mom can develop one now that it's convenient.

I think it is proper that He achieves bankai because he is about to.. die?

Have you noticed that his eyes become white, it almost as if he use up all his energy into his sword to perform bankai. :)

mottesheard

11-21-2005, 01:54 PM

Well I read the Ju-ni translation of chapter 204, and from what I get from it, Ikkaku has actually had bankai for a while, but has kept it a secret. Before he shouted bankai he asked the Arrancar not to tell anyone about what he was about to do, so I think he's been hiding this for a while from everyone, just like Yumichika had been hiding his shikai ability. I think Ikkaku's of the mind that he should be able to hold his own in a fight without using bankai, and having to use bankai makes him feel like some sort of wuss. I also have a feeling that Yumichicka doesn't know about Ikkaku's bankai which is why he made the request to arrange for Ikkaku's burial.

Herjan

11-21-2005, 03:28 PM

Sir_unforgiven

11-21-2005, 03:37 PM

Have to agree, Bankai seems far to easy to achieve now... the series is becoming completely more and more rediculous by the chapter. Something better happen soon to bring some sort of balance to this insane up-shot in power that everyone seems to be having.
by everyone you mean uh...just ikkaku? he's from the 11th division it makes much more sense for him to have it than renji(even though he was also from the 11th)

Anil

11-21-2005, 03:42 PM

interesting... that assessment does seem to have some truth to it....

Ju-Ni's version also says that there isn't as great a difference in power as everyone feared... at least that's what Ikaku says... So maybe the Arrancar aren't much stronger than captian level....

Although I must say the likelihood of Rangiku also having Bankai seems slim in my opinion... This fight is pretty crazy but the rest will be insane....

On a side note... Grim-Jaw is giving me a worse feeling than Kenpachi in the maniacal department... generally speaking... that can't be good...

...form changing Arrancar can be bad for your health...

red_dragone

11-21-2005, 03:44 PM

Viper640

11-21-2005, 05:37 PM

from the way that byaku described bankia he said that, while this is so much like super sayians if you think about it, only a few people get bankia or even have the ability. but contrast that to DBZ (sry, for the coralation but it's need for the piont) in the fact that they have goku go SS and then EVERYONE also does after that. and SS apeared in like ep 71 or 72 (i forget which) and we saw ichigo go bankia in 58 so if it follows the same suit then we mostlikly see more side characters obtaining the final relese to their soul slayers

mottesheard

11-21-2005, 05:42 PM

Exactly, so Ikkaku and Renji are the only non-caps we've seen with bankai. Who just happen to be two of the must psycho fighting obsessed dudes in SS. And 11th division is insane, they have a candy puff vice-cap who could prolly slice and dice half of the shinigami in SS with a giggle! Bankai in no way has become easy man.

Besides, would you rather some bankai-less, useless asses promoted to captain to fill the empty spaces? I don't

Totally agree. And that brings up another question. Who gets promoted to Captain for 3rd, 5th, and 9th? I don't know if Ikkaku will even accept a captain position as it's obvious that he loves his position in 11th too much. I could see Renji getting a position, though he's not peaceloving enough for 9th, and he's not adept at demon arts enough to fit well with 5th. Maybe 3rd? Or does Kira know bankai and could take Ichimaru's place? Would he want to after all the crap he's been through? Heck, would they offer Urahara a captain position again? Would Ichigo be in line for taking up a Captains seat, if he even wanted it?

hmmm..... *taps chin in thought*

Lance_Allanon

11-21-2005, 07:14 PM

The last few chapters of the Manga (203 and 204 in particular) have brought out some anger in some readers due to the Shikai of Rukia and the apparent Ban Kai of Ikkaku, but do any of you think that maybe you have overlooked a trend that was started earlier in the series. Think about what happens when someone comes into contact with Ichigo...what usually happens? In the case of Orihime and Chad, their spiritual powers were awakened after their encounter with Ichigo. Couldn't this have carried over to those he came in contact with in SS? If you look back, it looks like everyone that Ichigo has come into contact with there has become stronger...maybe these latest developments are again just evidence of that phenomenon...what do you think?

Saori

11-21-2005, 09:21 PM

It could be possible, but still, Ikkaku pulling a Bankai was really surprising... then could it be possible that his friend (forgot his name) could also have achieved Bankai as well? On a side note, I hope Rukia doesn't die...

Darkness_becomes (me)

11-21-2005, 10:04 PM

Well, Ikkaku certainly looks like a total bad-ass in the last frame of this chapter... ^_^

I like the guy, but I honestly don't like everyone getting this much stronger in this amount of time.

MooL

11-22-2005, 12:34 AM

Personally, I've always thought Ikkaku was capable of Bankai, and Rukia of shikai.

I mean, miracles DO happen, don't they?

"If Ichi-nii can, SO CAN YOU!" as the saying [I totally just made up] goes.

Now, I'm worried about poor ol' Rukia with a gigantic hole in her stomach.. Come on, now, what's with that? Rukia gets stomach-holed and then switch scenes!!

!@#$#

NO fair! I'm sure Grimmjaw's got it in for him. Now, we'll just have to wait for Ichigo's damned heroics to kick in--and for Kube Tito to show it! It took Ichigo five panels just to run/fly over to Rukia. How slow..

Darien Narumi

11-22-2005, 12:39 AM

I think it seems perfectly normal for Ikkaku to have bankai. The whole deal with swords in the 11th division makes the members try hard to hide their reiatsu, so they rely on their combat skills.

Ikkaku was probably only weak with his shikai when he fought Ichigo because he was holding back.

Minami Ikki

11-22-2005, 04:10 AM

Hits

11-22-2005, 06:13 AM

It's cool that Ikkaku has bankai BUT the overall story is not straight. If he was bankai-strong, why did he get beatened by Ichigo when he was still weak? Oh well, I guess the author just makes up things as he goes along....but Grim is a total badass. XD *whip*

legomahego

11-22-2005, 06:15 AM

you know, in the anime, once this soul society thing is over...they're probably going to have filler episodes. so thats going to give them time to power up. it's not like the manga where we see soul society, then off to arancar story line. cuz i think in the manga somewhere, it says it took time to make arancars. aizen was experimenting remember? anyways i don't see the problem with ikkaku having ban kai. he was a total bad ass from the beginning. and most of the vice captains are probably capable of ban kai, thats why they are vice captains. and yumichika definitely doesn't know that ikkaku has ban kai, cuz in 204, he requested a burial ceremony for ikkaku, thinking that he was done for, but surprise, ikkaku isn't done yet. i just hope his ban kai is as awesome as his character and own that edorad fag arancar. oh and who here thinks that ichigo will have lots of trouble with grimjaww, and that, it's a high possibility that whats his name...hirako (vaizard), will help him out...or ichigo hollow will come out and own the crap out of grimjaww? and what is this spatial stasis stuff? anyone know?

uw10isplaya

11-22-2005, 06:27 AM

KidKoala, I'm predicting everyone who is currently FIGHTING has banaki maybe even that girly guy..>_>
Most likely because the Gotei 13 anticipated attacks ands ent out the strong members. I dunnno..*shrugs*

Don't underestimate the "girly guy". Remember, he mopped the floor with that one dude with the 69 on his face, whatever his name is. No one knows about his ability to absorb reiatsu except for 69 dude, and we don't even know if that is his most lethal technique. Not having revealed this technique and still being such a high seat in a strong division implies he is indeed very powerful.

janti

11-22-2005, 01:34 PM

It seems to me that every portraited member of the eleventh divison has a secret, just like girly guy's zanpakuto.

anyway, i'm not that suprised that Ikakku has achieved bankai, after all there isn't that much known about him. He could be a shinigami for quite some time now...

Minami Ikki

11-22-2005, 01:52 PM

Wren

11-23-2005, 02:07 AM

The 11th division is full of surprises alright...I wouldnt be surprised if Zaraki Kenpachi learned the name of his zanpaku-to and its shikai....or not..one can hope eh? haha

Next issue will be interesting to say the least

Darkness_becomes (me)

11-23-2005, 03:32 AM

..I'm not underestimating him it's just (i'm not against the fact that he is PROBABLY gay either) the way he talks, moves and stuff, gives him the image of a..well..weakling. I know he's strong and that may be the downfall of some of his enemies so..yeah.
I don't think he's supposed to come off as gay... I think he's supposed to be some sort of elegant/emo person. He's definately got a kickass shikai, though ^_^

Personally, I like the way he dresses and acts. The fact that he's so "girly" and still managed to become the third seat of the 11th divisions (of all divisions, too... LoL) implies that he's actually a very <i>skilled</i> fighter, on top of being powerful.

Jedi28

11-23-2005, 08:26 PM

Don't underestimate the "girly guy". Remember, he mopped the floor with that one dude with the 69 on his face, whatever his name is. No one knows about his ability to absorb reiatsu except for 69 dude, and we don't even know if that is his most lethal technique. Not having revealed this technique and still being such a high seat in a strong division implies he is indeed very powerful.

It wasn't really a fair fight though. (I'm going to call him 69 dude cause I don't remember the name either) Anyway, 69 dude even says, "that guy fights dirty." He just sucked all his energy and left. Who knows what would have happened in a fair fight?

Zangetsu Tensa

11-23-2005, 08:30 PM

Fariswheel

11-23-2005, 08:37 PM

Yumichaka used his zanpaku-to's ability. How is that unfair? Up until that point, Yumichaka had been adhering to 11th divison custom and fighting at a disadvantage - without his ability. His ability, while amusing and cheap, is also immensely powerful. It actually consumes the enemy's reiatsu and uses it to restore himself. This could potentially take down anyone except for those like Zaraki who have such massive reiatsu that consuming some of it off wouldn't matter too much - and even then, you'd have to literally kill him instantly in one hit, or else his ability would restore him.

There is probably some limit on his ability, like how much he coud absorb or what not. Like how Zangetsu can only stop 'X' amount of bleeding.

Zangetsu Tensa

11-23-2005, 08:45 PM

There is probably some limit on his ability, like how much he coud absorb or what not. Like how Zangetsu can only stop 'X' amount of bleeding.
That's not a good analogy - Zangetsu stopping Ichigo's bleeding was NOT technically his ability. His ability is to fire Ichigo's reiatsu from his tip, creating a flying blade of energy. It's safe to assume that this ability would have a limit, since it uses Ichigo's own reiatsu to fuel it.

Yumichaka's ability, however, uses the opponent's reiatsu as fuel, meaning that it would last as long as his enemy can. This makes it, as far as we've seen, unique in Soul Society, and also incredibly powerful. It's a weapon that literally will not relent until the opponent is defeated.

Jerkface

11-23-2005, 08:58 PM

It is also of note that Ishida was wary of this type of shikai ability when he fought 12th Division Captain. Due to the odd look of Mayuri's shikai Ishida did not know how to attack it for fear that it might absorb his energy.

Fariswheel

11-23-2005, 09:17 PM

That's not a good analogy - Zangetsu stopping Ichigo's bleeding was NOT technically his ability. His ability is to fire Ichigo's reiatsu from his tip, creating a flying blade of energy. It's safe to assume that this ability would have a limit, since it uses Ichigo's own reiatsu to fuel it.

Yumichaka's ability, however, uses the opponent's reiatsu as fuel, meaning that it would last as long as his enemy can. This makes it, as far as we've seen, unique in Soul Society, and also incredibly powerful. It's a weapon that literally will not relent until the opponent is defeated.

The ability to stop bleeding is something that Zangetsucan do, therefore its an ability. The idea is that in my opinion there would have to be some limit to how much Yumichaka could absorb. There might not be, but I would highly doubt that.

Zangetsu Tensa

11-23-2005, 09:28 PM

The ability to stop bleeding is something that Zangetsucan do, therefore its an ability. The idea is that in my opinion there would have to be some limit to how much Yumichaka could absorb. There might not be, but I would highly doubt that.
You only answered one of my points, and the least significant one at that. Even so, I will humor you.

Zangetsu stopping Ichigo's bleeding is an ability if you follow the english language, but it is not the Soul Slayer's ability according to Bleach cannon. Zangetsu's soul slayer's ability is Getsuga Tenshou, and so far nothing else. End of story - this is cannonical fact.

In any case, even if we accept that Zangetsu's stopping the bleeding is an ability, then all you prove is that Zangetsu's endurance is limited - something I freely conceded from the start. This is only because Zangetsu relies on Ichigo's reiatsu as fuel. Yumichaka's Soul Slayer's ability, however, uses his enemy's reitasu as fuel, and so if anything the only limit to it is that of his opponent. You simply have no answer to this except that it's your opinion that I'm wrong and that you highly doubt it despite having no real reason to.

red_dragone

11-23-2005, 11:53 PM

Zangetsu Tensa

11-24-2005, 12:28 AM

I imagine that Yumchika has a physical limit of reiatsu he can absorb before he becomes just as weak as his opponent.

Example, Ichigo vs. Byakuya; yes, he is wielding massive reiatsu, but it is tearing him apart as he battles, as hollow Ichigo kindly points out later.

Mayuri says the same thing to Ishida as he asborbs spritual energy from the surroundings, saying something along the lines, 'you are about to pass what is physically possible'.

So Yumchika has to have some physical limit before he himself is ripped apart. Which means using his shika against someone such as Yamamoto would most likely kill him before it really drained Yama-jii
This theory operates on the idea that the reiatsu absorbed by the zanpakutou flows directly into Yumichaka where it then collects indefinitely. However, as we've witnessed, the absorbed reiatsu is constantly used towards the purpose of restoring Yumichaka. In all likelihood, this is a matter handled completely by the zanpakuto alone. There shouldn't be a limit on Yumichaka's part because the reiatsu is constantly being used up. The spiritual pressure never reaches the point where it can cause Yumichaka harm.

Minami Ikki

11-24-2005, 12:50 AM

It wasn't really a fair fight though. (I'm going to call him 69 dude cause I don't remember the name either) Anyway, 69 dude even says, "that guy fights dirty." He just sucked all his energy and left. Who knows what would have happened in a fair fight?
It's fair, it's his zanpakutou anyway.
If someone had a zanpakutou that killed everyone when it is released, it's fair. Becasue of the fact that it's THEIR zanpakutou. If it's gonna be their skill it's meant to be that way. I don't think Ichigo CHOSE his zanpakutou, it's probably adapted to his personality and fighting style. So in my opinion:

"Gay Guy's" (Dunno his name and this is the only way I can think to address him, so fans..don't take it personally) Zanpakutou ability = Fair

You only answered one of my points, and the least significant one at that. Even so, I will humor you.

Zangetsu stopping Ichigo's bleeding is an ability if you follow the english language, but it is not the Soul Slayer's ability according to Bleach cannon. Zangetsu's soul slayer's ability is Getsuga Tenshou, and so far nothing else. End of story - this is cannonical fact.

Yes SO FAR..I just like dreaming so let me say this: Since Byakuya had THREE bankai versions. What's stopping ichigo from having three as well? Ah..Never thought about that huh? I just remembered after watching this week's episode xD

Wren

11-24-2005, 01:21 AM

I dont think it was so much Zangetsu stopping the bleeding as much as it was the extra spirit pressure from his sword loaning him power that was holding the bleeding back.

So in theory all shinigami can hold back a certain extent of bleeding based on their own spirit pressure and the addtional power then can borrow from their zanpakuto

Also was i the only one to notice that baldy's zanpakuto was broken in half but started to mend it self when he started his bankai?

red_dragone

11-24-2005, 01:32 AM

This theory operates on the idea that the reiatsu absorbed by the zanpakutou flows directly into Yumichaka where it then collects indefinitely. However, as we've witnessed, the absorbed reiatsu is constantly used towards the purpose of restoring Yumichaka. In all likelihood, this is a matter handled completely by the zanpakuto alone. There shouldn't be a limit on Yumichaka's part because the reiatsu is constantly being used up. The spiritual pressure never reaches the point where it can cause Yumichaka harm.

Your theory, however, operates on the assumption that Yumichaka can deal the amount of spiritual damage that he absorbs. Which once again, would run into a problem when he fights someone who clearly outranks him in reiatsu. Even if he tried to deal the amount of reiatsu that he would absorb from someone like Yamamoto, I don't think he could physically handle it. Again, Ichigo uses his massive reiatsu constructively to ATTACK someone, which I imagine takes a lot more than simply keeping him fresh and healthy, and he still takes a toll on his body. So I think Yumichaka's shikai could cause him more harm than good against a much stronger opponent

zembu

11-24-2005, 05:00 AM

haha im so lame i just read this chapter today. all i have to say is OMG WTF ikkaku has bankai!!!

Zangetsu Tensa

11-24-2005, 05:11 AM

Yes SO FAR..
Yeah, what's the problem?

Your theory, however, operates on the assumption that Yumichaka can deal the amount of spiritual damage that he absorbs.
Wrong, in fact I made a point of stating the opposite - what we have seen shows that the zanpakutou itself absorbs reiatsu and uses it to restore its weilder. At no point does Yumichaka have to bear the burden of this energy, and since the energy is being constantly burned, there's no chance of it building up and collecting to the point where it can damage either the zanpakutou or its master. If the opponent is of sufficiently high reiatsu, say around the level of Zaraki, then the ability probably wouldn't phase him - however, there's no reason that this should cause any backlash to Yumichaka himself.

Think about what we've seen. Most zanpakutou's take energy from their weilders and dissapate it into the air in the form of some ability or another. Never has a zanpakutou been able to take energy from one shinigami and transfer it to another - precedent dictates therefore, that this is not possible until future issues prove otherwise. Yumichaka's zanpakutou operates in exact reverse, like a mirror image, consuming the enemy's energy and then applying it for the purpose of restoration. The process has been reversed, but the underlying rules remain the same - no energy transfers from one shinigami to another, only from shinigami to zanpakutou.

ade.hell

11-24-2005, 07:47 PM

Ikkaku having a ban-kai?... O_O
I just hope, that it won't be like soon every officer will have ban-kai, cuz it'll make the stry too boring, or Kubo Tite will have to think about some kind of next, ennormus level (if so, after the 3rd or 4th level peolez gonna be bored of it, a little bit like in Dragon Ball)
By the way I don't think Ikkaku is just jocking, but in the same time, I would never think, that he is strong enough.