Ichigo x Orihime FC

[HitsuOri]

Haha, poor Ichigo. Although he is a late bloomer. Does anyone actually reckon he realises Orihime's feelings?
PS In chapter 238, he mentioned a weird dream, could it be that he actually dreamt (or so he thinks) about Orihime's goodbye?

Could be, could be......he did say it was a nightmare....a sh/tty dream.

Nope.....I don't think Ichigo is a late bloomer. He's just very low on testoren, even now.

[kumagoro_usagi]

He probably had a bad dream about Kon or something...

[Juuju]

Just realised, I'm the 1000th poster on this FC. ^____^ Yay!!

Lol, anyway, I thought about Ishida getting together with Ichigo as well. Seems kinda possible now. What would happen if they become lovel rivals ^_~ Oh man, no Bleach next week...

[kumagoro_usagi]

You can always write fnafiction to keep u the time. Hey, why not write a AU one where Ichigo and Orihime are living together? That would be fun! You can through in the SS people as well for extra flavouring. Or you could write a rather simple one about a picnic or another about reading books or something. The possibilities are endless. Just becuase the manga isn't on for 2 weeks doesn't mean you can't write a fanfic! It will be really fun!

[Undying]

From past memory, a week break could mean a great chapter... or a really lame one. I'm hoping for a good one.

Oh and Ichigo x Orihime fanfiction is hard to write, usagi. I've been trying to write one for ages now, but they just don't feel themselves whenever I try.

It's hard.

[hikari_taicho]

YAY!! Can I join??
I wanted to throw something at Ichigo in the last manga chapter! he had better fall in love with 'Hime after this!! Or else he will get it!

[HitsuOri]

hikari_taicho.......would you want to join anti-Rukia fanclub.....since you are a big supporter of IchiOri??

[Undying]

Now now HitsuOri, no teling people what they should join... welcome hikari_taicho! I'm glad we have yet another IchiOri supporter! Enjoy your stay!

[hikari_taicho]

I don't mind rukia, it's just that i think that I like that thought of ichigo and orihime together and rukia and renji. :redbiggri

[HitsuOri]

I don't mind rukia, it's just that i think that I like that thought of ichigo and orihime together and rukia and renji. :redbiggri


Good girl!!!!

See!!! Not everybody who supports IchigoOrihime would hate Rukia for being the third leg.

There is much more sanity here than in anywhere else fanclub.

But then....I think the anti-Rukia club is not that bad.......we did keep it clean and warm, didn't we??

[Undying]

It's so warm that you could light a fire there any minute now... nah, we don't hate Rukia for interfering with IchigoxOrihime, because she doesn't interfere!

[nikuwadoko]

Rukia's cool, which is why I don't think this will be a love triangle. Rukia just isn't interested in that stuff.

[Juuju]

Noop, Anti-Rukia is just Rukia. I don't see her as a threat to IchiOri anyway, her and Ichigo have a pure friendship based relationship. At least for the moment.

Renji deserves someone better though! It might not be romantic feelings he feels for Rukia, he certainly hasn't shown romance, just brotherly/friendly love.

[Zanga]

Renji's muscular....Matsumoto's hawt damn....Gin might die in the end.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Kisara]

I think there is more between Renji and Rukia than just friendship or brotherly/love from his side. But like Ichigo Rukia is blind for such feelings... hmmm... That's my opinion. I've said it in other threads, but I really do like Rukia. But I can not imagine her together with Ichigo (althogh the scene at her "execution".... nah...).

Renji and Rukia are living in the Soul Society (I really hate the short cut "SS"). Ichigo Orihime are living in the human world. The pairings are decided! Muhar.

[Juuju]

Yeah but if you think about it. Isshin married a human as well although he's a shinigami. Hold on, wouldn't that mean he's dead and that Ichigo's well... half dead?!

I love the scene where Ichigo threw Rukia at Renji from the tower place. :D Absolutely hilarious scene that is. Her face (and Renji's) was priceless!!

[Kisara]

Shinigami are living souls or something like that... or?

Jep! I love this scene, too! And Renjis and Rukias reaction at Ichigo, after he (Renji) has catched her (Rukia).

How do you like Bankai-Ichigo? I think he needs a FC (three different Ichigo FC's... normal Ichigo, Bankai Ichigo and hollow Ichigo. xD)

[kumagoro_usagi]

Ichugo's face in the last panel of 238 looked rather pained.

[littie_sta]

It's so warm that you could light a fire there any minute now... nah, we don't hate Rukia for interfering with IchigoxOrihime, because she doesn't interfere!

Was she involved at the first place?? Honestly.....people need to stop thinking that just because the two characters appeared in the first place....doesn't mean they are going to be a couple!!

Racus never appeared in the first episode in Gundam Seed. She only appeared much later on.

[Juuju]

For some reason, I've fallen in love with Ichigo now. O_o Dunno how, just suddenly, POOf! I always liked Orihime the best but somehow all this talk about IchiOri (and IchiRuki) just made me like Ichigo... God, this is bizarre. Especially ch238 ^_^

Kisara: What's the difference between Bankai Ichigo and normal Ichi? One has a big sword and one has a thin one...

[Kisara]

What's the difference between Bankai Ichigo and normal Ichi? One has a big sword and one has a thin one...

Bankai Ichigo wears a black coat [I love coats!!!] and Zangetsu is not this broad sword but a black Katana! [Katana LOVE *gg*]

[Juuju]

Lol, I see now. Haha, I like all of him ^_^ Yeah he only wears a coat after bankai whereas others have really seriously extravagant costumes. *thinks Hitsugaya and Ikkaku*

I noticed that Ichigo FC isn't doing too well. Hardly any people post there. I'll go join now :D

[Undying]

Yeah well, you know, I though about it for a while, and yeah it's interesting: Lax (or Lacus, or Racus, or Rucus, or how the hell do you spell the name of that damned pink haired b!tch?), appeared a little late in the series, while the fiorst girl that seemed to have a "deep" link to Kira was... Cagali. And strangly, they didn't fall in love (erm... they're siblings. Incests anyone?).

The same seems to apply to Ichigo and Rukia. Just because they appeared in the first episode/chapter together and seemed to immediatly forge some sort of a link doesn't mean they will fall in mmediate, passionate and ultimately hopeless love, right?

[HitsuOri]

Undying......you too??

At least the world is not that totally blind and shallow.

@juuju
Renji too has some weird outfit when he goes bankai.

But I think Orihime and not Rukia that looks better with Bankai Ichigo *look at my signature*

[littie_sta]

Yeah well, you know, I though about it for a while, and yeah it's interesting: Lax (or Lacus, or Racus, or Rucus, or how the hell do you spell the name of that damned pink haired b!tch?), appeared a little late in the series, while the fiorst girl that seemed to have a "deep" link to Kira was... Cagali. And strangly, they didn't fall in love (erm... they're siblings. Incests anyone?).
The same seems to apply to Ichigo and Rukia. Just because they appeared in the first episode/chapter together and seemed to immediatly forge some sort of a link doesn't mean they will fall in mmediate, passionate and ultimately hopeless love, right?

Actually, come to think of it, theoratically; Ichigo and Rukia are siblings. Isshin had adopted her as one of his daughters.

[sheetz]

If you think about it, in stories where the main focus is about action it makes sense for the lead male character to form an attachment with a secondary character, or else it tends to distract from all the fighting. The classic example of this is Dragonball, but it also happens in stories like Yu Yu Hakusho. In stories where romance plays a very prominent role, like Inuyasha or most shoujo, then it makes sense for the lead male to form an attachment with the lead female.

Bleach is a sort of hybrid of these two genres. During the SS arc action was the main focus and during this portion Rukia was the main female character. However, during the current manga arc, romance plays a much more prominent role, and, not surprisingly, Orihime has suddenly become a much more important character to the point where you could argue she has become the lead female character.

[HitsuOri]

Well, they can always get together if he's interested in incest.

@sheetz....

I think his first priority is to tell a story. That's almost all the mangaka's objectives. Therefore his Soul Society arc....was merely a stepping stone as in to what that is to come. It's not like what KT thinks that 'Oh, I like so and so couple....I will put them together'. Romance isn't really the main focus of the show. Rather everything that is pulled together to show what is the main force/reason and how the main character developed from A to B.

To me....I just think Soul Society arc was just to introduce more characters that we would learn to love....not only Ichigo, Orihime only.....also other lovable characters like Hitsugaya, Byakuya, Renji, Ikkaku, Yumichika, Kenpachi....these characters give flesh.....with each flashbacks and sidestory. That's why Rukia looked more of a side character than the main character......which she had already fullfilled her role in the first place.

Orihime....I would see her more as an instruemental tool to liking/hating Aizen and co. She's the television of Huenco Mundo. Though in the latest chapter....we do see him being fired up to save her.....getting her out of Huenco Mundo.

Actually....I kinda like the manga. It wouldn't be....logical/realistic.....if Ichi-ikkou (together with Orihime) comes into Huenco Mundo and open the door and launch a guerrilla attack on Aizen. The fact that there is something in Huenco Mundo that belongs to them....would give them a reason to storm in take back what's that rightly theirs.

I have a feeling that on the next chapter......it would be Inoue Orihime who would call out for Ichigo (well, he least expected her) and tell him not to do something stupid.

[littie_sta]

It would be emotional if Orihime tells Ichigo not to rescue her, that she is very happy in Huenco Mundo.

edit:: Orihime's character was in Bleach pilot. And after Ichigo received shinigami powers, Orihime then appeared. It's almost as if KT had planned her to be 'potential romance interest'

[sheetz]

I think his first priority is to tell a story. That's almost all the mangaka's objectives.

I agree, and when I read Bleach I like to focus more on the overall storyline as much as, if not more than, all the little hints and details that are thrown in along the way. That's why I find it interesting how he makes Rukia more the main female character during SS arc and now he's focusing more on Orihime. The first question I ask myself is why KT is doing this.

Now I realize that romance hasn't been a huge part of the overall story so far, but because of the way the overall plot has been developed I do believe that KT has had a certain pairing in mind from the very beginning. I've tried to think up various ways that the story could be developed from this point on and in the end I can only see one possible canon pairing for Ichigo. (Hint: The fact that I'm mentioning this in this FC should be a clue as to what I'm getting at.)

[HitsuOri]

My eyes are at Hitsugaya, and Aizen. Funny.....all the three males are tied in one way or another through Orihime. Hitsugaya and Aizen have bad blood ties because of Hinamori Momo.....and now Ichigo comes in because Aizen has something that belonged to him.

Seriously.....even if it isn't going to be IchiHime at the end(actually....I do believe that KT had a wacky sense of humor.....giving us clues that would blind the unbelievers, yet open the eyes of the believer) I'm going to say.....hey it's a good story! A lot of characters had their pros and cons which made them endearing. Like Ikkaku with his simply, conservative lifestyle (People who know me.....would know what I mean...dirty), Renji getting misunderstood all the time, Hitsugaya with his short and booby jokes, Matsumoto, flaunting her usage of boobs (right from the start till the end), Yumichika the narcissis, Hirako trying to charm every pretty ladies with his toothy smile, Hiyori and her sandals, Chizuru with her abnormal love, Mizuiro surrounded by older women, Kyou and Michiru chasing a living and talking toy for fame and money.........Bleach is really a good story!!!

Go KT!!!!

I can see it now.....Orihime changes Aizen's mind over conquering the world, shinigamis, vaizards and arrancars living in peace together.

[sheetz]

......Bleach is really a good story!!!


I agree. I should probably just sit back and enjoy it for what it is, but my nerdy brain can't help examining all the boring theoretical stuff circling around in my head.

[HitsuOri]

I agree. I should probably just sit back and enjoy it for what it is, but my nerdy brain can't help examining all the boring theoretical stuff circling around in my head.

theories?? Or what's in the mind of Ichigo?? I really like to psychoanalyze Ichigo....since he's the main character. Unlike Orihime.....who openly shares her feelings and thoughts about certain situation and people.

Why don't you tell me what do you think of Ichigo....and I'll share mine?

[sheetz]

theories?? Or what's in the mind of Ichigo??
By "theories" I don't mean what's in the minds of characters but rather what's in the mind of KT. I find it difficult to psychoanalyze characters because they aren't real people and what they think sometimes doesn't make sense as they are subject to the whims of the mangaka in order to develop the plot in the way he wishes.

For instance, some of Ichigo's behavior is very strange and almost unbelievable if he were a real person. Like when he forgets about saving Rukia to instead fight against Ganju, or how he carries Rukia like a pig and nearly kills her by throwing her off a cliff after going to all the trouble of rescuing her. From a plot perspective we can say that KT is trying to prevent them from appearing to be too intimate with one another, but from a logical perspective it makes absolutely no sense.

[HitsuOri]

By "theories" I don't mean what's in the minds of characters but rather what's in the mind of KT. I find it difficult to psychoanalyze characters because they aren't real people and what they think sometimes doesn't make sense as they are subject to the whims of the mangaka in order to develop the plot in the way he wishes.

For instance, some of Ichigo's behavior is very strange and almost unbelievable if he were a real person. Like when he forgets about saving Rukia to instead fight against Ganju, or how he carries Rukia like a pig and nearly kills her by throwing her off a cliff after going to all the trouble of rescuing her. From a plot perspective we can say that KT is trying to prevent them from appearing to be too intimate with one another, but from a logical perspective it makes absolutely no sense.
Trash. He was carrying her like he was carrying a trash. Or a sack of peas...which he could throw down the cliff.

That's how I see it.....but anyway....

Let's for a moment forget Orihime here.....I think Ichigo.....is someone who puts up a harsh and hardened face....the moment his mother died. He had withdrawed away from everyone.....putting an arm distance from everybody including Tatsuki, which hurt Tatsuki very much. He acts nonchalently, uncaring to what people feels about his actions (he will do what he thinks is right), and doesn't hesitate to use violence for his own right (he is after all receiving training from dojo and his father). But he does have a sense of gratitude....I mean, he wouldn't forget anyone who had helped him before. That's why....earlier...in Ichigo and Chad's case.....Chad intervened and saved Ichigo's butt.....and later Ichigo butted in when Chad couldn't defend himself with the thugs. He would helped those who helped him before. Remember in the earlier chapter, after he received shinigami powers?? He's not doing it because he felt like saving people, protecting people.....he was doing it because he wanted to repay Rukia's debt for helping him to save his family. Even when he appeared majestically, carrying Rukia like carrying a sack of rice/peas...he did say that he was going to save Rukia, Ishida, Chad, Inoue, Ganju, Hanatarou from everyone because these people helped him.
Yet.....deep inside him, there is a desire for him to protect his loved ones.....it birthed in him since he was small.....when he said he wanted to protect his mother, the only person whom to him, was his and family's center of universe. He never really bothered about others who are distant from him.....in the case of the Royal Key.....Inoue was suprised that Ichigo didn't show an angry and mad reaction with a vow to protect Karakura Town.

In my opinion.....I have to give credit that KT had made Ichigo as a realistic character as ever. He didn't really make a noble-far-visioned Superman/Batman out of Ichigo.....just a normal Eastern warrior who thinks about his family and friends.

But......he is too arrogant enough, and too confident over himself (that I don't like). And he loves fighting.....most of his fights are not fights for survival....rather it's a fight to see and engage the enemy.....to measure his own strength and to what he can do.....


Would you agree, sheetz??

[sheetz]

I really haven't given that much thought to Ichigo for reasons I've already stated, but here's my general impression of him. He's obviously very loyal as you mentioned and from what we know about how he feels about repaying his debts, we can assume that he has a strong sense of honor.

As far as his attitude in regards to fighting, he appears to value himself almost entirely based on his ability to fight and protect others. He's not stupid, but he thinks others like Ishida and Orihime are way smarter than he is. He's perhaps not ugly, but girls aren't exactly falling all over him like they are with his short friend (I forget his name). He knows he is good at kicking ass, however, and apparently uses this as a measure of his worth.

He can seem arrogant at times, especially when he's done beating up a lot of thugs, and yet this arrogance is fragile at best, and any loss in a fight is a huge blow to his psyche. In many ways he shares many of the attitudes of the knights of legends, like in the stories of King Arthur. If we bring Orihime into the discussion, I think his attitude towards her is somewhat similar to the type of courtly love shown by the knights towards their queen.

Those are my inital thoughts regarding Ichigo.

[HitsuOri]

Oh right!!! Great mind shares alike. Rep!!! Positive rep!! Considering that you don't support IchiHime that much.....it is good to see that I'm not biased in my thinking.

He does have the sense of honor and repaying debts to people who helped him. And his attidue towards Orihime (until chapter 237) had always been like a champion knight towards his queen.

But then.......I just think it would be at the same time funny, yet devastating if Ichigo stormed into Huenco Mundo just because.............Orihime healed his hand.

[sheetz]

He does have the sense of honor and repaying debts to people who helped him. And his attidue towards Orihime (until chapter 237) had always been like a champion knight towards his queen.


I'm sure you noticed how his apology and vow to protect her was very much reminiscnent of a knight bowing down to his queen. And in a sense this attitude explains a lot of his reactions towards her in the earlier chapters. He doesn't have obvious romantic feelings towards her but yet still seems to place her on a pedestal. He doesn't question her willingness to want to go to Soul Society, and is confident that she can be of some use (unlike Chad and Ishida), yet he is still protective of her and always looking out for her wellbeing. Also, just like a knight he could never dream of actually being in a romantic relationship with his queen because, like Tatsuki and Hirako have said, she's just so much above him. Now, if he ever found out that she had feelings for him then obviously that would be a whole different story.

[HitsuOri]

When she first appeared, I had a feeling that Ichigo originally thought her as his own younger sister; someone like Yuzu....who needs protection from the harsh bully world. That's what I thought when he really let out his suprise and actually 'scolded' Orihime for being forgiving and dumb at hit-and-run cars and not seeing the doctor. But luckily.....he stopped and checked himself when Inoue apologized humbly for her dumb behaviours.....so it was like a big brother and young sister.

But after Inoue Orihime left him and Rukia....Rukia asked him whether he was close with Inoue....(to me)he let out a wistful and faraway look (when he said he wasn't really sure whether he is close to her)......I was like, okay....certainly no 'brother and sister' anymore here. No brothers would say that he's not sure whether he is close/not with his sister with that kind of expression.

There was a mix of ambiguity in his feelings towards her. When Inoue was attacked by AcidWire....he was so fired up to protect her, allowing himself to be the first main course (remember...he stepped up to be eaten by the hollow...as long as the hollow would go after them). I think KT wanted to say, 'Ichigo had her as part of his family members he want to protect...which triggered all him wanting to be a shinigami, with no complaints.

Would I say that Ichigo never had the slightest thing for Orihime?? I wanted to...but I couldn't. The part where Karin mentioned 'he wouldn't bring home a girl like Orihime-chan'.....there was this 'chan' which meant that Karin had met Orihime, and considered her as part of Ichigo's (and Tatsuki's) friends....implied that perhaps Ichigo liked Orihime very much.....not someone with the big breast-small waist-tight butt-nice legs....because Tatsuki had grown up like a lady.....but somebody who is girly, girly. And then when Orihime phased through Ichigo's room, and she recognized the two sisters sleeping soundly next to him and giving them 'chan'......I think Karin may had seen how Ichigo treated Orihime differently.....assuming that he does well with someone like Orihime. Ichigo went out and yelled at them for being noisy.

I believe the feelings for Inoue is there.....right from the start.....but he just couldn't notice it. Only after the Soul Society arc, after Yammy and Ulqqiy appeared....he began to realize how important Inoue was....and refused to admit it openly....yet he behaved as if she's the centre of universe. (isn't upset over the lives of 1000000 (or more) people in Karakura.....but tells her not to worry, HE'LL BE THE ONE TO STOP AIZEN!!!).

Even in chapter 238.....I'm not sure about the translation.....'Inoue being our friend, but I'll go and save her myself.' (Juuju, is it right translation with the word 'our' and 'but'???) It doesn't really add up when Ichigo said that Inoue is 'our' friend, after being told before that Inoue is a traitor and her life isn't important compared to lives of many.

But it's expected that Ichigo would use the word 'nakama', as in friend/comrade....despite him being very emotional over the possibility that Inoue is dead and Inoue being a traitor.

But to want to go to Huenco Mundo all alone....litterally called the hell place where not only monsters devour your own soul(hollows), and opponents whom you can't defeat yourself alone??

He's still not going to admit it openly.....you just have to carefully read between the lines.

[Juuju]

Wow, really psychoanalysing here. I can't say that much about Ichigo so I'll just say that I, for one, have no idea what his feelings towards Orihime are.

HitsuOri, chinese script of that line: 井上是我们的同伴，我要自己去救她。
Trans: Inoue is our comrade/friend, I'll go save her myself.

No 'but' in there but the comrade bit is right.

His expression when it Ukitake mentioned that Orihime could be killed was sure strong.

[HitsuOri]

The word 'our', Is it there??

I'm just puzzled why he used the word 'our' ......when Yamamoto refused to trade the lives of shinigamis for the sake of a girl.

Remember.....other than the shinigamis.....only he is the one there in the room who is close to Inoue.

[littie_sta]

I really haven't given that much thought to Ichigo for reasons I've already stated, but here's my general impression of him. He's obviously very loyal as you mentioned and from what we know about how he feels about repaying his debts, we can assume that he has a strong sense of honor.

As far as his attitude in regards to fighting, he appears to value himself almost entirely based on his ability to fight and protect others. He's not stupid, but he thinks others like Ishida and Orihime are way smarter than he is. He's perhaps not ugly, but girls aren't exactly falling all over him like they are with his short friend (I forget his name). He knows he is good at kicking ass, however, and apparently uses this as a measure of his worth.

He can seem arrogant at times, especially when he's done beating up a lot of thugs, and yet this arrogance is fragile at best, and any loss in a fight is a huge blow to his psyche. In many ways he shares many of the attitudes of the knights of legends, like in the stories of King Arthur. If we bring Orihime into the discussion, I think his attitude towards her is somewhat similar to the type of courtly love shown by the knights towards their queen.

Those are my inital thoughts regarding Ichigo.

Like a rural, country farm boy trying to become a knight....and meets a princess.

[sheetz]

The word 'our', Is it there??
I'm just puzzled why he used the word 'our' ......when Yamamoto refused to trade the lives of shinigamis for the sake of a girl.
.

My interpretation is that Ichigo uses "our" to distance himself from Soul Society and emphasize how Orihime is part of the living world like he, Chad, Ishida, and the others are.

[HitsuOri]

Like a rural, country farm boy trying to become a knight....and meets a princess.

It's almost like my story.....if I have the time to finish it.

But seriously.....come to think of it....now that we psychoanalyzed Ichigo's character....it really falls in place with the Tanabata Myth.....where the poor farmer boy fall in love with the Sky Emperor's daughter....it makes more sense now.

While Tanabata Festival falls on the seventh day of the lunar seventh month.....it has a connection with the fifteenth day of the lunar seventh month(Obon, ie The Chinese Ghost Festival). It's a purification process for Obon festival that falls on the fifteenth day of the lunar seventh month.


Actually......Obon festival is a ghost festival day celebrated by Japanese and Chinese. The Chinese celebrated the date fifteenth because that's where the hell gate is opened wide.....and all the ghosts come out and play. There are many ancient ghosts stories; romantic ghost stories which may be connected during the Chinese Ghost Festival. I liked the story 'Eternity"

@sheetz......are you really sure it's 'our'?? I'm still don't want to say anything about it, until I'm sure.

[sheetz]

@sheetz......are you really sure it's 'our'?? I'm still don't want to say anything about it, until I'm sure.

Oh, I'm actually not sure at all. If you really want to know you can go ask pocketmofo at bleachforums.

As far as the Tanabata myth, well, I still don't see the connection.

[Undying]

You know.... right now I can't help but think that if Ichigo doesn't go to rescue Orihime (and it would seem as though he won't, he has no practical way without Soul Society's help... as far as we know), he'll lose her somehow (death, brainwashing, etc. etc.) and will die a virgin.

Now I pity him.

[Juuju]

ROfl, Ichigo a virgin, seems so out of character with his street image. But indeed he's a very pure innocent boy at heart. (Angel) Embarassement when he saw Yoruichi naked :)

HitsuOri: Yeah I double checked ALL the scantalations I could find (Ju-ni, Binktopia, and Junuishi, and the chinese raw), and all of them said 'our' instead of 'my'. It didn't make much sense to me either but that's just the way it is. I would've made sense to say "Inoue's my friend, so I will go rescue her myself if no one's going to help me"

[HitsuOri]

Hhhmmm....I am honestly not sure....since I'm not a Chinese (yeah right). But this is what I think.....I may be right, I may be wrong. Maybe Juuju can help me with this.....

To the Chinese, the seventh lunar month is a ghost month. Chinese celebrate it fifteen days, especially on the fifteenth....because on the fifteenth day of the seventh lunar month (15/7), hell gate is opened very wide (to the maximum)....where ghosts roam freely on earth.

This fifteenth day of the seventh lunar month was also celebrated in Japan as Bon festival....which is also a ghost month festival. There is a story that connected to Bon festival.....it's about this Buddhist priest who journey to hell to save his dead mother's ghost (you see the connection....here?? Ichigo having issues with his dead mother).

Anyway.....if you read the ancient Chinese classic love stories, you will find the element of eternal love, love that transcended into the spiritual realms (ie ghosts, fairies, goddess) and reincarnations. Most of these stories...interestingly were told and played during the Chinese Ghost Festival. One of the famous and earliest love story was about the 'Peasant and the Weaver Girl'......which falls suprisingly on the seventh of the seventh lunar month.

There is always an element of 'Peasant and Weaver Girl' in the Chinese culture. For instant.....on the fifteenth (again 15) day of the first lunar month, which happened to be Chap Goh Mei, the last family reunion dinner....was also the day where the unmarried maidens are allowed to go out and mingle with their likely male suitors.....while the seventh day of the seventh lunar, women would pray for a husband or a long lasting marriage and romance.

In Japan.....other than being celebrated as a Valentine Day also.....Tanabata happens to be the day where people purify themselves for Obon festival. And not another strange fact is Tanabata is being accompanied by a taboo, not to swim near the river (in tanabata's myth....the star-crossed lovers are divided by a major big river), for fear the kappa or some kind of ghosts will 'kill' them. I said it's not strange because ......the Chineses also believe never swim in the water/pool during the ghost month.....or else some ghosts will drown you.:whatevah:

In another word.....Tanabata and Bon festival are interconnected with each other.

Why Bleach and Tanabata??

Ichigo was born in 15th July. If you are taking in account of the lunar year.....Ichigo's birthday should be the fifteenth day of the seventh lunar month.....which happens to fall on the Bon celebration day; the Japanese ghost month festival celebration. And.....if you noticed....the fifteenth day of any month >> it's a full moon. (Get the joke?? I'm sure you would).

By the way....in one of the manga cover; KT translated Inoue Orihime as Vega Highwell. Her dead brother had a meaning of 'up/well/above' 'sky' (Inoue Sora).

In the myth....if the weaver doesn't do her work properly....the rain would fall on Tanabata day, forming a river to divide the lovers from meeting.


Orihime was in sewing and handicraft class.
Ichigo hates the rain.
Orihime wants to connect the sky and the earth......I take it as from the heaven to the earth (the myth had it where the heavenly weaver princess travelled from heaven to earth)
Orihime's powers are actually in the form of little fairies kept in the pin.
Her incantations have 'heaven' as part of the incantation.


And in the Bleach pilot......the father sought to separate ghost Inoue from shinigami Ichigo.




This is after all my opinions only. Some people persist that Tanabata and Bleach are not related, Inoue Orihime isn't for Ichigo....Rukia is, Inoue Orihime is for Ishida Uryuu (I am for Hitsugaya Toshirou and AIZEN-SAMA!!)



I think KT is either a genius or just plain lucky.

[littie_sta]

You know.... right now I can't help but think that if Ichigo doesn't go to rescue Orihime (and it would seem as though he won't, he has no practical way without Soul Society's help... as far as we know), he'll lose her somehow (death, brainwashing, etc. etc.) and will die a virgin.
Now I pity him.
lol!!! He won't die a virgin. He got a lot of people to shag with.....Rukia, Lisa, Hiyori, Yoruichi, Matsumoto, Ishida, Renji, Ganju, Toshirou, etc.

I tell you, he's a closet pervert!!!!

[Undying]

lol!!! He won't die a virgin. He got a lot of people to shag with.....Rukia, Lisa, Hiyori, Yoruichi, Matsumoto, Ishida, Renji, Ganju, Toshirou, etc.
I tell you, he's a closet pervert!!!!
Ah... problem is, he can't shag anyone until he rescues all of his friends (you know anime characters are obssessed with saving people, unless their evil), and so by the time he's done saving the world... he'll be dead. And a virgin. Poor poor Ichigo...

[sheetz]

HitsuOri, thanks for the explanation!

I'm still not quite sure about the whole Tanabata thing and will have to give it more consideration, but it does look interesting. If Ichigo's birthdate does have great significance in regards to the Tanabata myth then that does provide strong evidence that there is at least some connection there.

I'll do a little more research and let the theories swirl around in my nerdy head and let you know if I come up with anything.

[kumagoro_usagi]

I find your posts rather charming sheetz. They are all so neutral but very interesting to read.

[HitsuOri]

HitsuOri, thanks for the explanation!

I'm still not quite sure about the whole Tanabata thing and will have to give it more consideration, but it does look interesting. If Ichigo's birthdate does have great significance in regards to the Tanabata myth then that does provide strong evidence that there is at least some connection there.

I'll do a little more research and let the theories swirl around in my nerdy head and let you know if I come up with anything.

Actually....what I was trying to say is this.....KT intended Bleach to be a shinigami-ghost manga. That is his main intention (I think) when he used the number 15/7 which relates to Obon festival (a ghost month festival) on Ichigo. Ghost month festival do have some eternal ghost love stories played and talked about....not necessarily Tanabata story. There are other classical ghost stories elements, which he might have used together with Bleach.....MAYBE on other characters.

Expect more love stories from Bleach....not necessarily from IchigoInoue/IchigoRukia.

Tanabata or 7/7 cowherd and princess is the famous Valentine love story....which people forgot has every elements of a classic ghost love story with noble attributes and belief; faithful, long-suffering, REUINCARNATION, honour,.....etc.


HitsuOri, chinese script of that line: 井上是我们的同伴，我要自己去救她。
Trans: Inoue is our comrade/friend, I'll go save her myself.

No 'but' in there but the comrade bit is right.

His expression when it Ukitake mentioned that Orihime could be killed was sure strong.

My interpretation is that Ichigo uses "our" to distance himself from Soul Society and emphasize how Orihime is part of the living world like he, Chad, Ishida, and the others are.

Actually....I understand why Ichigo used the word 'our' and 'friend'.

My interpretation and understanding is this::

Ichigo was trying desperately to save Orihime. As a last resort he used the word 'our comrade' as he was trying to remind that Orihime is indeed the Soul Society's comrade/friend (hence the 'our'), but they don't have to go all out to rescue her. At least tell him how to go in to Huenco Mundo and he'll rescue her alone, without the Soul Society's help.

Do you guys see/understand what I see/interprete??

[sheetz]

Actually....what I was trying to say is this.....KT intended Bleach to be a shinigami-ghost manga. That is his main intention (I think) when he used the number 15/7 which relates to Obon festival (a ghost month festival) on Ichigo. Ghost month festival do have some eternal ghost love stories played and talked about....not necessarily Tanabata story. There are other classical ghost stories elements, which he might have used together with Bleach.....MAYBE on other characters.

Interesting. So you think there may be other similar types of references with regards to other pairings? Unfortunately, I don't really know about enough these types of Japanese myths to really give an informed opinion.


Actually....I understand why Ichigo used the word 'our' and 'friend'.
My interpretation and understanding is this::
Ichigo was trying desperately to save Orihime. As a last resort he used the word 'our comrade' as he was trying to remind that Orihime is indeed the Soul Society's comrade/friend (hence the 'our'), but they don't have to go all out to rescue her. At least tell him how to go in to Huenco Mundo and he'll rescue her alone, without the Soul Society's help.
Do you guys see/understand what I see/interprete??

So you think Ichigo is admonishing Soul Society for abandoning their comrade in her time of need? That's certainly another possible interpreation but judging from the facial expressions of Ichigo and the others I don't know if that's what he means. I think if that was what Ichigo intended then the other Shinigamis would appear shocked that he dare say this to Yama-jii, yet also a little ashamed at their organization's casual abandonment of a friend for whom they are indebted. From the looks of them it just appears they are sorry that they are unable to help.

[HitsuOri]

Interesting. So you think there may be other similar types of references with regards to other pairings? Unfortunately, I don't really know about enough these types of Japanese myths to really give an informed opinion.

Actually.....*embarrassed*I'm not KT, so I couldn't say which classical ghost stories which resemble on which couple pairing. But I do think there are a lot of elements of Japanese and Chinese ghosts myths used in the show.....normal ones like shinigamis, hell butterflies, beautiful woman who are able to transform into animal like cat and fox, ghost monsters that eat people's souls, Mayuri's Ksitigarbha, Aizen's shikai.....

Though....Tanabata myth does point to Ichigo and Inoue........


So you think Ichigo is admonishing Soul Society for abandoning their comrade in her time of need? That's certainly another possible interpreation but judging from the facial expressions of Ichigo and the others I don't know if that's what he means. I think if that was what Ichigo intended then the other Shinigamis would appear shocked that he dare say this to Yama-jii, yet also a little ashamed at their organization's casual abandonment of a friend for whom they are indebted. From the looks of them it just appears they are sorry that they are unable to help.
He wasn't admonishing the Soul Society. He was begging Yamamoto, to take compassion on Inoue; just a little....telling them 'Inoue is Soul Society's friend' (our comrade), just help a little by telling him (Ichigo) how to get to Huenco Mundo; he(Ichigo) will take it from there....he won't bother the Soul Society anymore for other supports. He did look like he was about to cry.

It's really sad, isn't it, my interpretation?? It's hard to see that Ichigo would ever beg or plead with anyone in that hurt and sad expression.

[sheetz]

From the picture Ichigo looks defiant more than anything else so don't I think he's really begging Yamamoto for anything.

http://www.bleachexile.com/bleach-online/data/media/389/bleach-ch238-17.png

[HitsuOri]

That's the thing.....

If he is defiant enough to resist whatever Yamamoto had said.....he would have said, "Inoue is my friend, I will go and rescue her myself." He wouldn't care what Soul Society thinks of him, he would go rescuing her (remembering what we said about Ichigo....someone who is least bothered about what others said about him, and who isn't going to listen what others said, except it's his way). We all know how Ichigo feels about Inoue, being the 'weakest one who needs protection from him the most'....it just feeds his gallant male ego when he go rescuing her(I think the worst of Ichigo).... thus he should be saying "Inoue is my friend, I will go and rescue her myself'.

Ichigo:: "Fine, I'm not going to ask Soul Society to help....so at least.....tell me how to get to Huenco Mundo....Inoue is our friend, I'm gonna save her myself."

He knew not the way to go into Huenco Mundo, but the shinigamis do (proof:: Renji volunteered to take back traitorous Orihime from Hueco Mundo)....but Yamamoto isn't going to risk his shinigamis' lives going into Huenco Mundo for the sake of one girl. That is why, I supposed Ichigo had to some sort 'tell' Yamamoto that Inoue is their friend (Soul Society and Ichigo), so tell him at least (that sounds 'begging' to me) how to go to Huenco Mundo....Ichigo will not bother Soul Society for any more help.

To me, the panel showed that Ichigo didn't really look defiant enough. You shouldn't be looking defiant and rebellious, if you are really desperate enough for a thing.

Which is why, in the next page, Ichigo was somehow 'suprised/shock' when Yamamoto said, 'Request denied' or 'unacceptable' (ju-nii). I don't think Ichigo really cared whether Yamamoto is going to stop him from going to Huenco Mundo. He was kinda shock that Yamamoto refused to indulge with him the shinigami secret to go into Huenco Mundo.

Compared it now with the vaizards......Ichigo had the audacity to demand that they had to teach him in his 'I'll beat you up' arrogant speech.


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He's such a b@stard, isn't he??


You know....a thought suddenly struck my head. After his mother died, Ichigo has a very bad habit of sitting by the river side, watching. I suppose he was very sad that it was his mother died by the river side, longing.

According to the Tanabata myth, Kengyuu and his children had always sat by the river, watching afar for lonely Orihime.

[sheetz]

OK, I understand what you are saying. And under the circumstances Ichigo does seem conciliatory because he is pretty powerless in the situation. But I still don't think that his "our" refers to Soul Society but rather to himself and his friends from the living world. I think for him to use "our" to refer to Soul Society would mean that Ichigo thinks himself a part of Soul Society, which I don't believe has ever been the case at all.

[HitsuOri]

OK, I understand what you are saying. And under the circumstances Ichigo does seem conciliatory because he is pretty powerless in the situation. But I still don't think that his "our" refers to Soul Society but rather to himself and his friends from the living world. I think for him to use "our" to refer to Soul Society would mean that Ichigo thinks himself a part of Soul Society, which I don't believe has ever been the case at all.

I am just wondering where in the manga did he act like this.......most of them gave me the impressions that Ichigo is not going to stoop down for them to comply to his request.

Urahara comes into mind....you know after Inoue gave him the 'Ichigo that I know speech'.....but I remembered before Urahara sent him off with a question, 'Are you going to set your mind on saving Rukia? /Would you steel your resolve to save Rukia?' He did bow down and asked Urahara


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We'll just wait and see in the next chapter whether Ichigo would really go and search for his friends (Chad, Ishida, Urahara and Vaizards) to rescue Orihime.

But then, the supposedly preview says that 'Ichigo is all alone, trying to keep moving forward, until someone unexpected calls out to him'.

I'm not sure whether he would affliate himself as part of the Soul Society or not (remember with Hirako, he said that he's a true blood shinigami, he would never join the vaizards).....but I think what he's trying to say is Inoue is Soul Society's comrade/friend (and so is his).

[Undying]

Well the problem in both those reasonings is that you can't really tell to whom does "our" refer. Is it to Ichigo and co? It's a possiblity, if he is including her in his own gang and thus asking for a favour in return to him and his gang (Inoue included) saving Soul Society before (they did discover Aizen's plot, and now they are somewhat of an ace for Soul Society (assuming of course that Soul Society will not ask the Vaizards for help)).

Or was he including himself with Soul Society? After all, he could mean "we (I, my friends and Soul Society), Inoue is our friend, we have to save her".

Either reasoning seems sound enough, given the fact that Ichigo once stated himself to be a Shinigami and not a Vaizard, and because we know he doesn't like including people in his circle of comrades/friends without solid reason.

Problem - you can't know what he meant. Haha.

[littie_sta]

They think just because Ichigo call Inoue 'friend'....that means Ichigo had no special feelings for her. Doesn't matter; the Bleach Summer Sidestory showed that Ichigo was very angry when he heard Matsumoto teaching Inoue sleazy and dirty stuffs.

[Undying]

Err... you can call anyone "friend". What the hell does it matter what you cal 'em?

[HitsuOri]

Well the problem in both those reasonings is that you can't really tell to whom does "our" refer. Is it to Ichigo and co? It's a possiblity, if he is including her in his own gang and thus asking for a favour in return to him and his gang (Inoue included) saving Soul Society before (they did discover Aizen's plot, and now they are somewhat of an ace for Soul Society (assuming of course that Soul Society will not ask the Vaizards for help)).
Or was he including himself with Soul Society? After all, he could mean "we (I, my friends and Soul Society), Inoue is our friend, we have to save her".
Either reasoning seems sound enough, given the fact that Ichigo once stated himself to be a Shinigami and not a Vaizard, and because we know he doesn't like including people in his circle of comrades/friends without solid reason.
Problem - you can't know what he meant. Haha.

I was really very, very puzzled why all the translators used the word 'our' before the word 'ally' (Corvidae), 'comrade' (Rikki-Tikki-Tavi), friend (Djudge, pocketmofo) and then save her myself. Everybody(translators especially) by now....should know that Inoue is important to Ichigo, at least not in that romantic level yet.

Consider this.....if Ichigo did used 'our' to refer to 'Chad, Ishida (I don't know whether to include the vaizards or not)'......he would be at the end say.....'We will save her ourselves'.... excluding the Soul Society group from this.

But to use the word 'our' and then 'save her myself'.....on a first glance, it wouldn't make any sense at all....however bearing in mind that Ichigo is trying to ask a very small and not expensive/costly favour from Yamamoto.....I still believe he was trying to cash in that Inoue was indeed a friend/comrade/ally to Soul Society.....so please help him save her by telling him how to go to Huenco Mundo.....that's all; Ichigo wouldn't expect anymore backups from Soul Society.

I don't think by saying that 'Inoue is my very special friend, so please help me save her alone' would relent Yamamoto from giving him tips on how to go to Huenco Mundo.

Remember.....Ichigo is just a substitute shinigami. He has no standings as to expect(or demand) that the Gotei 13 supreme captain comply to his request/demand.....eventhough he managed to help out by standing against Aizen.

@ Undying......you still have Hezabbollah rockets flying above your house??

[sheetz]

Consider this.....if Ichigo did used 'our' to refer to 'Chad, Ishida (I don't know whether to include the vaizards or not)'......he would be at the end say.....'We will save her ourselves'.... excluding the Soul Society group from this.



But Ichigo has shown in the past that he always wants to be "Da Man" and do all the saving by himself. Besides, he has no idea that Chad is training with Urahara to get stronger, or that Ishida has regained his powers, and he has no reason to believe the Vizards would want to help out, either.

[HitsuOri]

But Ichigo has shown in the past that he always wants to be "Da Man" and do all the saving by himself. Besides, he has no idea that Chad is training with Urahara to get stronger, or that Ishida has regained his powers, and he has no reason to believe the Vizards would want to help out, either.

All the more he wouldn't be using the word 'our ally/comrade/friend'. He hasn't seen his friends (Chad and Ishida) and are not sure whether they will join him in the heroic rescuing the damsel-in-distress.

[sheetz]

All the more he wouldn't be using the word 'our ally/comrade/friend'. He hasn't seen his friends (Chad and Ishida) and are not sure whether they will join him in the heroic rescuing the damsel-in-distress.

He uses "our" because she is indeed their friend/comrade. Whether or not the others are able to help out doesn't change that. As far as he knows, however, he is the only one who can actually save her.

[HitsuOri]

Perhaps, perhaps....

[Juuju]

But then, the supposedly preview says that 'Ichigo is all alone, trying to keep moving forward, until someone unexpected calls out to him'.

Where does it say that?

I just read the Tabato myth and the ghost stories. I know the story of the Weaver Girl and the Peasant. It's said on the 7th of July, it always rains (well, it actually does in China) because the two separated lovers can finally reunite on the bridge of crows and they cry. It's a sad story.

I never noticed the connection before...

[HitsuOri]

Where does it say that?
I just read the Tabato myth and the ghost stories. I know the story of the Weaver Girl and the Peasant. It's said on the 7th of July, it always rains (well, it actually does in China) because the two separated lovers can finally reunite on the bridge of crows and they cry. It's a sad story.
I never noticed the connection before...
Juuju.....have you watch and read the Chinese Ghost Story??? When I was very young.....I always saw this Leslie Chung's 'The Chinese Ghost Story' movie....being played in the open public for the ghosts to watch (during the Ghost month festival).

I was told that it was actually a remake of an ancient Chinese litterature that also contains other romantic ghosts stories....like the 'Butterfly couple', the 'Lady Snake' and so forth.....

I really want to download the Taiwan's version of "Chinese Ghost Love Story' themesong. :sad:

[Juuju]

Are you chinese? I thought you weren't. I absolutely loved The Legend of the White Snake when I was young. Watched it every single summer ^_^ Although it was a girl playing the main guy...

Chinese Ghost Story? What's that? These names sound so strange in English, if you can name the chinese name then I can probably recognise it. I haven't seen any adaptions of these traditional myths, but the Butterfly Couple's song is amazing!!

If you can tell me the name of the 'Chinese Ghost Love story' theme song, as in in Chinese, I can maybe find it for you. :)

[HitsuOri]

I LOVE YOU!!!!

Come let me kiss you, pinch you, hug you, give you all my hope and love in my heart.

hahahahahaha

I'm overreacting....but it's nice to have someone we can love and share......hahaha.

Anyway......back to the 'Chinese Ghost Love Story'.....I give you a website.....see whether you could download for me **pretty, prettY, pretTY, preTTY, prETTY, pRETTY, PRETTY PLEASE** the two songs for me by Daniel Chan.

Love you.

http://asianfanatics.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t12447.html

[Undying]

@ Undying......you still have Hezabbollah rockets flying above your house??
Do you really want to know?

[kumagoro_usagi]

Poor Undying. While you've been debating he's under seige.

[HitsuOri]

Do you really want to know?

They need to be accountable for what they had done. They choose murderers who doesn't mind seeing other people getting killed for the sake of a land which isn't for them.

I honestly am very sick of the sun and moon theory.....all the IchiRuki fans are talking about it all day long....just because KT seems to side towards IchiHime.

But they don't know.......that the sun and moon theory and poems ......can also be used on Ichigo and Orihime.

Has much more sense using it on Ichigo and Orihime than to be used on Ichigo and Rukia.

[Juuju]

What sun and moon poem?

HitsuOri, I have one of the songs you asked for. The theme tune one. The other one had only one download site and that was .rm. Not even sure if that works even. Anyway, how can I get it to you??

[Undying]

@HitsuOri: Hezbollah, by any and all acounts, and to anyone with a single brain cell in their head, is a terrorist organization, a cancer in Lebanon, one that should be purged completely, as any cancer must, inevitably, be. And yes, I still have Hezbollah rockets flying around my home.

Regarding the sun and moon theory... I can't exactly remember it. Care to jog my memory?

[HitsuOri]

@Juuju.....but I want both!!! How to get the other song??
But have you read the story before?? The Taiwan version was nicely made a perfect balance blend between romance, martial arts action.


The sun who blots out the heaven
The moon who carves away the night

The rain that drags the black sun;
but the rain dried by the white moon.
Both are found in the SOULS and VIBES, with separate pictures of Kurosaki Ichigo and Kuchiki Rukia.

Actually it started with the chapter 237 manga discussion, where people were speculating whether Ichigo had heard of Inoue's confession because the sickle-moon was peeping in. So I kinda joked around by 'concluding' that then Orihime must be the sun then. Someone pointed out that it might possible be that Orihime is the sun (previous chapter 236; Ulquiorra mentioned that the sun is in their hands). Everyone pounced at it by saying it isn't so; Orihime isn't the sun because according to KT's SOULS and VIBES, Ichigo is the sun and Rukia is the moon. It was a joke turned sour, in my opinion. In the light of Orihime leaving Ichigo and confessing her love and goodbye to him.....they had to insist that originally KT intended to have Rukia for Ichigo and not Orihime.....all because Ichigo and Rukia were shown 'together' in the 'sun and moon' poem. Then.....when chapter 238 came out.....showing how emotional Ichigo was when he heard Inoue 'died' and traitorous Inoue.....there was a thread of discussion on the 'sun and moon' poem......mostly participated by IchiRukis.....trying to associate Rukia with the moon.....her behaviour, in comparing with the white moon's character, and Ichigo with the black sun character. But they could not really associate Ichigo with the sun through manga; not in SOUL AND VIBES, (because there was no mention of sun symbolism with Ichigo) and neither could they say of Rukia as the white moon symbolized in the manga (not in SOUL AND VIBES).

KT's volume poem DON'T USUALLYrelate a thing or two about the person that is pictured together with the poem. The poem may be talking about other people....not necessarily about the one drawn together. In another word....KT is speaking cryptically. He doesn't expect you to find out so soon.....in fact it's like Aizen.....creating an illusion...when in actual fact, it's not what you see outside....it's what you can see inside that is real.

I have a lot of reasons to believe the sun and moon, now is really reflecting Inoue and Ichigo, reasons that are found through the Japanese Tanabata myth.

Inoue's english name is 'Vega'. Vega is like the sun.....a star which shines much brigther than the sun. In Sakura Wars story, it's strange to note that there is a character named Orihime Soletta....I may not be an Italian....but just by seeing the word 'Soletta'.....I have a feeling that it has something to do with the word 'sun'.

Some say Orihime in Tanabata myth is actually the Sun King's daughter....which would explain her being like the sun.

Vega star has some blackness covering herself >> hence the black sun

http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/apr06/vega-f1_sm.jpg


During Tanabata night, the moon is a white sickle moon (7 day of a lunar month). Kengyuu or the Cowherd, uses the white-sickle moon to journey across the river to see Orihime. People at Tanabata night also appreciate the sight of the white half-moon moving slowly. Ichigo's own sword is actually a .....Zangetsu (a Moon Cutter). And in all the usual Tanabata custom, it's always Kengyuu who traveled in a moon sickled boat to meet Orihime. (Ichigo uses Zangetsu ALL THE TIME....with the latest story development, it wouldn't be a surprise if he has to depend on Zangetsu to get to Orihime:LOL: ).

The Japanese mythology is so different from the Chinese mythology when it comes to sun and moon. While the Chinese say that the sun is a male, and the moon is a female.....it's actually the other way around; sun == female, moon ==male.

Amaterasu == female sun goddess, while Tsukiyomi == male moon god. Tsukiyomi's name literrally mean....'Moon Phase'.
Amaterasu == kind, benevolent, beautiful, SHY and forgiving. She loves weaving for other gods.
Tsukiyomi == warrior, stylish (in dressing), ill-tempered and always loves to pick up a fight and kill. Legend has it, that it's because of Amaterasu's radiance....Tsukiyomi was found to be beautiful next to Amaterasu.

Originally, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi were suppose to be a couple, living together in heaven to rule the world. They were supposed to be soulmates; because Amaterasu is born out of a tear from Izanagi's left eye, while Tsukiyomi is born out of a tear from Izanagi's right eye. But because Tsukiyomi, lose his temper and killed another goddess in anger(but its good...since it started agricultural industry:LOL: ).....Amaterasu couldn't forgive him, and told him to leave.....refusing to meet him again. That is why the Sun and Moon were always separated from night and day, eternally.

In other cultures and myths there is always the sun and moon element involved in the story of the weaver princess and the hunter. But only in Japan......where the sun is considered as a female deity and the moon is a male deity.

Another thing.....the black sun....legends throughout the whole world has it that when the sun is blackened(eclipsed), either by exile, imprisonement or death.....the world plunged into darkness, and chaos and evil reigned throughout the whole world. Amaterasu once hid herself inside the cave, refusing to come out, causing the world into darkness because of another brother's (really, really) evil treatment.

Ulquiorra once said about the sun going down into their (arrancars' palm).....there is nothing more they can do, to save the world.

Another thing......Kengyuu (Altair) comes from the constellation called Aquilla....a greek name for an eagle. While with the eastern views say that Orihime's constellation may look like a loom....and Kengyuu's constellation carries the shape of an ox.....in Greek culture....Kengyuu's constellation looked like an eagle flying towards Orihime's constellation that looked like a falling eagle or falling lyre (some said that the lyre serves as a backup to the eagle...not very sure how). The eagle and lyre is part of the element of undying love of Orpheus.

Also...for the Chinese and Japanese classical myths of undying, eternal love....there is always the element of separation between the star-crossed lovers.....like in the 'Eternal Love Story; the Chinese Ghost Love Story).....the stars cannot be joined together, for if they are joined.....evil deities will be brought forth, causing misfortune and calamities to follow. In Izuru province of Japan, it is better to rain during the Tanabata night.

Just like the sun and moon....they will never be able to be together forever....despite the sun and moon having the ying and the yang element.

Like I said....Tanabata myth, just like other classical ghost stories (the only thing that I can think of is this 'Chinese Ghost Story') there is always elements of death, ghosts and eternal romance.

I just picked a few lines in one of the famous Tanabata's myth poem(by Ôtomo no Sukuné Yakamochi)(something like Songs of Solomon)......just to show the relation between Bleach and the legend.



To the opposite bank
one might easily fling a pebble;
yet, being separated from him by the River of Heaven,
alas! to hope for a meeting (except in autumn)
is utterly useless.

[From the day that the autumn wind began to blow
(I kept saying to myself), "Ah! when shall we meet?" ---
but now my beloved, for whom I waited and longed,
has come indeed

When we were separated,
I had seen her for a moment only, ---
and dimly as one sees a flying midge;
now I must vainly long for her as before,
until time of our next meeting

From the august Age of the God-of-Eight-Thousand-Spears,
she had been my spouse in secret only;
yet now, because of my constant longing for her,
our relation has become known to men. (awwwww..... )

From the time when heaven and earth were parted,
she has been my own wife;
--- yet, to be with her,
I must always wait till autumn.

But once in the whole year,
and only upon the seventh night (of the seventh month),
to meet the beloved person --- and lo!
The day has dawned before our mutual love could express itself! (Ichigo's going to die as a virgin....and live long as a virgin shinigami :LOL: )

Even though the waves
of the River of Heaven run high,
I must row over quickly,
before it becomes late in the night. (time is too short and too urgent for Kengyuu)

Is it that the current
of the River of Heaven (has become too) rapid?
The jet-black night advances ---
and Hikoboshi has not come
(Guess what?? Kurosaki's name literraly mean jet/black cape.....and the romanji words for the jet-black night (Nubatama no yo) also gives a meaning of 'black berry nights'/fruits of Karasu-Ogi.......
.....Kurosaki does sound similar with Karasu-Ogi, doesn't it?)


Am I a genius or just plain lucky?? :LOL:

Or did KT not intend to have IchiHime as the main Bleach pairing??

[sheetz]

^Now you know why I find it pointless to argue about these minor details because it's all about interpretation and you really can't prove anything. Example: If we look at chapter 238, maybe some rabid IchiRuki fan will say Ichigo looks so depressed in the last scene not because Orihime has been taken to HM but because Rukia is being dragged back to Soul Society. Now, of course, that is an absurd interpretation, but there's no way to definitively prove it either way.

[HitsuOri]

The sun who blots out the heaven
The moon who carves away the night

The rain that drags the black sun;
but the rain dried by the white moon.
Both are found in the SOULS and VIBES, with separate pictures of Kurosaki Ichigo and Kuchiki Rukia.

Consider it for a moment....between Rukia and Orihime.....whose personality is very opposite to Ichigo??

IchiRuki fans goes around saying that with Rukia....Ichigo is more comfortable....just because she's just like him.

If you are going to follow according to the 'Ying and Yang' concept.....you would have to find two people whose personality differs from each other, but able to complement with each other like the sun and the moon.

The sun who blots out the heaven
The moon who carves away the night
I think it's very obvious that Ichigo is the moon who carves away the night ......considering that he has Zangetsu (the cutting moon/sickled moon like the Tanabata night).
And having the sun to blot out the heaven.....it's like wiping out the heaven itself. Isn't Orihime now in the hands of a person who plan to destroy the Royal King??

The rain that drags the black sun;
but the rain dried by the white moon
You know it is pretty strange that Orihime (Vega) wants to be like the rain that connects the heaven to the earth......while Ichigo tries his best to wipe off the rain??

And giving in the light of the interpretation......having the black sun (as a symbol of terrible things to come) with rain(sadness) .....would it gives you an impression that the white moon would dry the rain tears away??

That's my interpretation.....if you think I am zealous.....well okay. No big deal out of it. I don't go around giving my supports without facts.

You can try giving your points as Rukia being the moon and Ichigo being the sun. I doubt there would be enough points to beat my above post. I've seen some of their points....but honestly.....they are not in the Japanese culture context and mythology. They can't really bring Rukia near the sickled-shaped moon.....and say that Rukia is the white moon.

[Juuju]

^Now you know why I find it pointless to argue about these minor details because it's all about interpretation and you really can't prove anything. Example: If we look at chapter 238, maybe some rabid IchiRuki fan will say Ichigo looks so depressed in the last scene not because Orihime has been taken to HM but because Rukia is being dragged back to Soul Society. Now, of course, that is an absurd interpretation, but there's no way to definitively prove it either way.
^^ Now that is truly ridiculous. I know we can't prove it either way, but you gotta use your brains and think of the situation at hand. Orihime captured by evil people with no idea what they are doing to her, Rukia going back to SS safely and surrounded by people who'll protect her. Right... Ichigo's going to be worrying over Rukia.

I'm sorry, but that is truly a DESPERATE attempt to show IchiRuki there.

HitsuOri: Long explanation. And woah, you sure know a hell of a lot about Japanese and Chinese myths and cultures. Are you of Japanese/Chinese origin? I haven't seen any Sun and Poem about Ichigo and Rukia, if it's on one of the volumes. But Moon is definitely pointing to Ichigo, and even more so with your reasoning, Ichigo's zanpakuto and attacks are all to do with the moon. It's called 'moon cutter', it's powers are 'moon sky-piercing fang' and bankai 'chains of heaven - slicing moon'. How Rukia is the moon, I don't know.

Orihime being the sun, well, right now I can't see anything. But the
Amaterasu == female sun goddess, while Tsukiyomi == male moon god. Tsukiyomi's name literrally mean....'Moon Phase'.
Amaterasu == kind, benevolent, beautiful, SHY and forgiving. She loves weaving for other gods.
Goddess is a weaver hints strongly Orihime. And her name comes from Tabata anyway.

But if the story really goes somewhat according to the legends, then Ichigo and Orihime, although they may be in love in the future, will still be eternally separated. As all the myths points to eternal separation.

[littie_sta]

The Japanese mythology is so different from the Chinese mythology when it comes to sun and moon. While the Chinese say that the sun is a male, and the moon is a female.....it's actually the other way around; sun == female, moon ==male.
Amaterasu == female sun goddess, while Tsukiyomi == male moon god. Tsukiyomi's name literrally mean....'Moon Phase'.
Amaterasu == kind, benevolent, beautiful, SHY and forgiving. She loves weaving for other gods.
Tsukiyomi == warrior, stylish (in dressing), ill-tempered and always loves to pick up a fight and kill. Legend has it, that it's because of Amaterasu's radiance....Tsukiyomi was found to be beautiful next to Amaterasu.


That sounds exactly like Ichigo to me.

[sheetz]

I've been thinking about the whole Tanabata myth thing and while it does seem to relate to Orhime's character I'm not sure how Ichigo fits into the story other than the fact that he dislikes rain. Ichigo's character, on the other hand, seems to be very strongly linked to the story behind the Bon festival, which is celebrated on the same day as his birthday, July 15.

Therefore, I think it's possible that KT intends to parallel Orihime's character with the princess in the Tanabata myth, but not necessarily parallel the IchixOri relationship with OrihimexKengyu.

[HitsuOri]

I'm sorry, but that is truly a DESPERATE attempt to show IchiRuki there.
HitsuOri: Long explanation. And woah, you sure know a hell of a lot about Japanese and Chinese myths and cultures. Are you of Japanese/Chinese origin? I haven't seen any Sun and Poem about Ichigo and Rukia, if it's on one of the volumes. But Moon is definitely pointing to Ichigo, and even more so with your reasoning, Ichigo's zanpakuto and attacks are all to do with the moon. It's called 'moon cutter', it's powers are 'moon sky-piercing fang' and bankai 'chains of heaven - slicing moon'. How Rukia is the moon, I don't know.
Orihime being the sun, well, right now I can't see anything. But the
Goddess is a weaver hints strongly Orihime. And her name comes from Tabata anyway.
But if the story really goes somewhat according to the legends, then Ichigo and Orihime, although they may be in love in the future, will still be eternally separated. As all the myths points to eternal separation.

I wouldn't be surprised that after all the character developement and Ichigo-love KT makes for Inoue.....she's going to dump him because he betrayed her trust and expectation...that is if we are taking an account of Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi in Inoue and Ichigo. Other than the word 'moon', the word 'yomi' had something to do with the underworld where ghosts, spirits, death and darkness prevailed.

I have always thought that Inoue's power were much greater in sense of magnitude and acceleration rate (able to bring back two shinigamis back to life and healed Ichigo's hand with just one touch). Haachi once said that her power at the chapter 238 was just at the surface only.

hey Juuju......

You think you can upload it to rapidshare / yousendit website the songs?? I really like both songs (opening and closing theme).....would help me with my fanfic.

[littie_sta]

White moon no longer applies to Rukia now, anymore, hahaha. Pretty sad, Ichigo liking Orihime but cannot be together with him. Sad isn't it?

[HitsuOri]

Actually....I think it's quite amusing to see them putting Ichigo as the sun and Rukia as the moon. Don't they know that by putting Ichigo as the sun and Rukia as the moon.....their hope for KT to make Ichigo and Rukia as a romantic, loving pairing.....is practically non-existing at all.

Don't they ever know that the sun and moon are eternally separated??

I guess, they must be desperate for The 'YING & YANG' / 'soulmates' Bleach couple.

I really feel sorry for them.....they just can't think deep and far ahead.

[Undying]

It's interesting, you know? Now that I think about it, IchiRuki focus on two main theories as of late:
1. Yin and Yang: Ichigo and Rukia are perfect opposites (like Yin and Yang), so they are meant to be together (sidenote: how is Rukia Yin anyway? Cold, calm, serene, and construction? She is cold, louadmouthed, never calm, and can't even draw to save her life...). This theory is also in regard to the "Sun and Moon" IchiRuki version.

2. Soulmates: Ichigo and Rukia are better off together because they are so alike in their temperament, both louadmouthed, annoying, uncaring, ahrd, blah blah blah.

It's very interesting to note that those two theories are polar opposites of each other, because one states that Ichigo and Rukia are alike, while the other states that Ichigo and Rukia are perfect oppostie. It's also interesting to point out that sometimes, overzealus IchigoXRukia fans would post both theories on the same post.

Now I think anyone with brain cells can see what I'm getting at here...

[littie_sta]

It's interesting, you know? Now that I think about it, IchiRuki focus on two main theories as of late:
1. Yin and Yang: Ichigo and Rukia are perfect opposites (like Yin and Yang), so they are meant to be together (sidenote: how is Rukia Yin anyway? Cold, calm, serene, and construction? She is cold, louadmouthed, never calm, and can't even draw to save her life...). This theory is also in regard to the "Sun and Moon" IchiRuki version.
2. Soulmates: Ichigo and Rukia are better off together because they are so alike in their temperament, both louadmouthed, annoying, uncaring, ahrd, blah blah blah.
It's very interesting to note that those two theories are polar opposites of each other, because one states that Ichigo and Rukia are alike, while the other states that Ichigo and Rukia are perfect oppostie. It's also interesting to point out that sometimes, overzealus IchigoXRukia fans would post both theories on the same post.
Now I think anyone with brain cells can see what I'm getting at here...
Desperately trying to convince everyone and themselves that IchigoRukia is the 'right' one?? Quite lately, the activities seem on the rise.....saying Rukia and Ichigo rulez while Ichigo and Orihime sucks.

[Undying]

I won't argue with that, littie_sta.

But hell, we can just repeat ourselves if they want to go on arguing with us. We happen to have the better weapons...

[Kisara]

A quick question at every FC member: Are you reading novels?

[Undying]

A quick question at every FC member: Are you reading novels?
I do, to a certain extent. When I have time, at least.

[Juuju]

A quick question at every FC member: Are you reading novels?

Yes, when I have time, and when there's a good novel. Why? Lol, seems quite random.

[littie_sta]

They have always been misled as always. Right from the beginning....before the IchiHime moments were obvious.....their reasons for liking IchigoRukia pairing and hating Orihime were really very childish and immatured. They never looked beyond and deep the relationship Ichigo and Inoue had with each other. Everytime Ichigo and Inoue talks, the emotions run deep.

[Kisara]

Why? Lol, seems quite random.
Curiosity. I was reading all those posts from you and Undying and thinking that you've got a great writing skill to express your opinions.

This has nothing to do with IchiHime [maybe a little]: >>CLICK<< (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRj5Bumvx3U)

[littie_sta]

Has anyone seen Bleach 92 yet??

[Undying]

I saw 92. Lame as hell, and so pro-IchigoXRukia I was really angry with the anime. Well, at least people will start hating Rinrin now because she is between IchigoXRukia (or was she angry with them being "close" to each other because she doesn't like him? :D)

@Kisara: I've got great writing skills? O_o joo sure eveting's k tere?

[HitsuOri]

Hey Juuju, thanks very much for the songs. The first song was what I needed....but the second song.....I don't think I am that old....because it doesn't seem to ring like the closing theme that keeps running in my head once in a while. Wasn't there a Chinese database of soundtracks musics, where we can download *hopeful*.

Yeah, I was wondering....do you have a Chinese RAW from 199 onwards?? If you don't have.....it's alright. You have always been a help to me.

Though......I wonder there is Chinese RAW for Bleach chapter 0a and 0b....what they translated in Bleach chapter 0b......doesn't really paint a good picture of Rukia. Bleach chapter 0a is basically Ichigo's feelings conveyed in poetry form......and surprisingly it has the two words 'sun and moon' in it (together with the picture of Orihime). I just would like to know what the 'sun' and 'moon' is doing (touch each other?? that's intimate!!)

edit:: chapter 92....every romantic IchiRuki moment disappeared....the moment Rukia punched Ichigo's jaw for giving a honest comment about her drawings.....that and Ichigo rubbing his head with a frown 'What's was she thinking?'......Ichigo asking Cloud to take care of Inoue (how the heck Cloud is going to protect Inoue??) was sweet, though.

[Kisara]

@Undying: Now that you mentioned it... I feel a little bit dizzy... and it's so cold outside. ~_~

[Undying]

So joo 's no k? O_o.

[wr80]

Bleach anime is so biased for freaking IchiXrukia, I hate it IchiXOri is so much better because he treats her different, and he respects her unlike Rukia.

[littie_sta]

Bleach anime is so biased for freaking IchiXrukia, I hate it IchiXOri is so much better because he treats her different, and he respects her unlike Rukia.
So like love, doesn't it??

I don't know why they can't see it:sad:

Or perhaps they refused to see it??

[wr80]

Idk they're just ignorant that Ichigo has fallen in love with Inoue just because shes hotter, and defiently nicer then Rukia. Not to mention Rukias just annoying =\

[Kisara]

I don't hate the IchiRuki pairing, but I can't see any possibilities for this pairing to actually happen. Rukia has her Renji. Ichigo has his Hime-chan. And in the end everyone is happy. xD
*goes to her driving lesson*

[littie_sta]

Idk they're just ignorant that Ichigo has fallen in love with Inoue just because shes hotter, and defiently nicer then Rukia. Not to mention Rukias just annoying =\

Would Ichigo fall in love with Rukia who treats him like a trash??

It's like someone clinging on the person who scold, whack and scream at him.

[HitsuOri]

Ichigo is a very hardy person with a lot of blood to waste. He just loves getting people beating the ass of him.....I mean look around him.....everybody seems to get the fun of hitting him blue black.....Rukia, Ganju, Kuukaku, Isshin, Kenpachi. Don't worry, he's the main hero and main comedy character of the show. Everybody just want to see him get his ass beaten.

So I guess that's why they liked seeing IchiRuki.....its all about the abusive relationship between old married couple.

[Juuju]

Kisara: I have good writing skill. *Cries* You have no idea how much that means to me... Hopefully my GCSE will reflect that result.

HitsuOri: Yes there is a database for chinese music, but you gotta be able to read chinese to download stuff. mp3.baidu.com and Daniel Chan's chinese name is 陈晓东, go search for it if you can. Where is the moon/sun thing from? I can download the raw. ^_^ So well connected I am.

I haven't seen the anime but it's gonna suck if it's really IchiRuki, aka not being true to the manga. It's no wonder there are so many IchiRuki fans when most people watch anime first and then in their heads, they've got the idea of IchiRuki before even thinking about Orihime. Is the fillers still going? I thought it had ended...

[Darkhope]

Can I join? x3

[Undying]

Of course you can, Darkhope! We're always glad to see new Ichigo X Orihime fans here! But be warned: we tend to be crazy here and there :3.

/me Loves /you.

[Darkhope]

Well I just found this site and decided to register.. I'm already in two other IchiHime FCs [the one at Naruto Fan and the one at Bleach Forums] And I'm in the IchiHime community on LJ! Sooo yeah! Thanks! ^__^ GOOO ICHIHIME~!

[Kisara]

* Undying Loves Kisara . *

Good to know. xD

[kumagoro_usagi]

Hmmm....are you guys ready for some drabbles?

[Juuju]

Drabbles? How so?

[HitsuOri]

@Juuju....you can get Chinese RAW 197, 199 and 202? We ought to do it through PM....for discretion.


Just another thing.....there is only one time where the 'sun and moon' were mentioned together....which was in chapter 00a. Chapter 00a....was actually the prequel of Bleach.....which is really about Ichigo's thoughts. It's actually a poem....but it's basically how Ichigo feels

The sand....(pg 1)

.......(pg 2)

Rotating, everytime the sun and moon touched each other.

Constantly it changed it's appearance to something new .....(pg 3)

If there's something that doesn't change.....(last pg 4)

That would be my helplessness ..... (pg 5)

I can see spirits, touch them and even talked to them. That's all. These spirits disappear like this. I don't understand why they disappear. Sometimes, all that remains is a blood stain that only I can see and a lingering emotion similar to pain. It's rotating.....(pg 6)

If destiny is made up of gears, and we are the sand caught in between that is torn apart, there is nothing we can do, but to be helpless. I just want power!!......(pg 7, exclaimation mark, is just to put in emotions)

If I cannot not protect, even extending my hand, I want a blade that I can grab in front of that. The power to crush destiny.... (pg 8)

looks like a blade that is swung down....(pg 9).


Basically, what Ichigo is saying is that as time passed by (hence the sands passed, earth(sun/moon??) rotating) everything changes in one way or another. The only thing that still remains is his helplessness. Helplessness to help people, especially wandering spirits that have harbor pain (emotionally and physically (blood)). If destiny is as such that leaves people(the sand) unable to do anything but embrace the consequences of destiny, he would want power. If he cannot even protect by extending his hand, he wants a blade, that defies the destiny and crush them. Something that looks like a blade that is swung down (something shaped like the sickle moon....which was shown in the page 9).

Other than to reveal the deep desire of Ichigo, I believe this is KT's way of foretelling of what is to come. Like the picture of the sickled moon in page 9....(looks like a blade that is swung down) >> Ichigo wanted that kind of sword (it's basically like Papa KT giving kid Ichigo, anything he wants).

But what that is surprising is....'the sun and moon touch each other. Given any logic sense....the SUN IS NEVER AROUND WITH THE MOON....except for eclipse of sun....but that's debatable. However.....in page 3, Orihime was seen first in the page 3....like as if the panel focus was on her.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8949/bleach0sidea04scanhz4.jpg
"Rotating, everytime the sun and moon touch each other....Constantly it changes it's appearance to something new "

Only the moon constantly changes everyday to something new, according to the sun. It couldn't be talking about the sun either, since the sands would imply that time in seconds, minutes....not months.

It cannot be used to describe Rukia....because Ichigo was saying the word 'constantly' which meant it was a consistent thing....and Rukia was never in the picture and Ichigo's life yet. And in comparing between Ichigo and Rukia....Ichigo in my opinion has far more character developement than her.

Could it be KT's way of hinting IchiHime that Ichigo seems to be affected by Orihime's sunny and radiant manner?? Or maybe since it's supposed to be the prequel of Bleach story....it was talking about sun goddess Amaterasu and moon god Tsukiyomi before they got separated.

The funny part is Chizuru was trying to look and see; fortunetelling....who is Orihime's potential/suitable mate.

That's why Juuju.....I hope you could find out the Chinese interpretation of what the 'sun and moon' were doing in that page.....was it intimate or not an intimate way.

[Juuju]

Oh wow, do you have that prequel chapter? Can I please please please have it! (Why wasn't this in the first volume?)

I'm working on the raws right now. I'll try to decipher the moon/sun, but it could be difficult. If this really is foretelling what KT's truly planning (ie. after the SS arc) then it would be quite difficult to foretell since the manga hasn't revealed much yut.

[kumagoro_usagi]

Drabbles as in short fanfics Juuju.

[Kisara]

Alright my fellow IchiHime FC members... we need an Anti- IchigoRukia FC. *points towards the anti IchiHime fc*
Or we ignore this... stupid fc.

[Undying]

For now, I suggest we ignore this stupid FC. I mean seriously, all the anti-IchiHime is in the Rukia and IchigoRukia threads already.

[kumagoro_usagi]

Anti- FCs are not my thing at all. Is this anti pairing FC allowed Undying-kun?

[sheetz]

I actually think it's hillarious that someone feels the need to form an anti fanclub for a pairing that hasn't even happened yet. I think I'm going to start the Anti-ByakuyaxUnohana fan club.

[hikari_taicho]

Hey everyone, what's going on?
Byakuyax Unahana?! O.o
I never thought of that one..

[kumagoro_usagi]

I actually think it's hillarious that someone feels the need to form an anti fanclub for a pairing that hasn't even happened yet. I think I'm going to start the Anti-ByakuyaxUnohana fan club.

That's a good idea. In fact why don't I go make a anti-RenjixTatsuki FC while we have this vibe going.: ultimate sarcasm :

[hikari_taicho]

I am in favor of RukiaxRenji. Is there a fan club for that yet?

[kumagoro_usagi]

Yep it's just buried somewhere. The Orihime FC is near the bottom of the front page.

[hikari_taicho]

Kisara, I think we just need an anti-anti-ichigoxorihime fan club fan club lol. so redundant. A fan club against their fan club LOL Bwhahahaha!

[kumagoro_usagi]

No that would be just be stupidity at their level. Leave it. Anti FCs are not worth it trust me.

[hikari_taicho]

lol. just a thought. :redbiggri I'll take your word for it, usagi.

[sheetz]

Hey everyone, what's going on?
Byakuyax Unahana?! O.o
I never thought of that one..

Well, I know I've seen a ByakuyaxUnohana FC somewhere, either here or Bleach Forum.

In any case, we all KNOW that Byakuya is in love with Yoruichi. I mean, they were both born into the nobility and were childhood playmates, and the fact they he was never able to catch her playing tag CLEARLY symbolizes his unrequited love for her. And you could see his heart was breaking when he was yet again unable to catch her.

But that b*tch Unohana has been taking advantage of the situation since Byakuya's wife died and Yoruichi left for the real world to parade her skanky self in front of him since she knows he's so lonely. The slut!

Of course when Byakuya saw Yoruichi again when she rescued Ichigo from the bridge all you had to do was look at his expression on his face to see how he still loves her and misses her. *squeee*

Its just SOOOOOO OBVIOUS!!!!!

[How's that for my impression of a crazed fanboy/girl?]:LOL:

[HitsuOri]

I actually think it's hillarious that someone feels the need to form an anti fanclub for a pairing that hasn't even happened yet. I think I'm going to start the Anti-ByakuyaxUnohana fan club.

You know.....they formed anti-NaruSaku because they felt threatened that such pairing could possibly be a cannon pairing. Or else....they would have kept anti-NaruSaku sentiments in the shipper fanclubs that is totally different from NaruSaku (like NaruHina, SasuSaku).

Do you think this is the same reason in forming anti-IchiHime pairing.....because they are threatened by so much emphasize on IchiHime stuffs in the manga?? The owner happens to be no 1 IchiRuki supporter.

I'm thinking of joining it then.....since I'm also threatened by the fact that Ichigo has his eyes and hearts on Orihime....and I don't think Ichigo should have Orihime, just because he's THE MAIN CHARACTER AND THE ONLY HERO THAT WILL SAVE THE WORLD.

On the same note.....should we create an anti-RenjiRukia supporter club?? I mean, I'm not sure whether it would happen or not.....but the fact that Rukia doesn't deserve Renji at all.....makes it really my burning passion to create such club.

Ichigo and Rukia can be together for all I care. They are after all, the best couple in the category of most retarded manga couple of the century.

[sheetz]

You know.....they formed anti-NaruSaku because they felt threatened that such pairing could possibly be a cannon pairing. Or else....they would have kept anti-NaruSaku sentiments in the shipper fanclubs that is totally different from NaruSaku (like NaruHina, SasuSaku).

Do you think this is the same reason in forming anti-IchiHime pairing.....because they are threatened by so much emphasize on IchiHime stuffs in the manga??

I'm sure that is a large part of it, but I happen to be of the opinion that too many people take these pairings and fan clubs WAY more seriously than they should, and that rather than be upset or offended when someone does this it's far better to see the humor in the situation and just laugh it off.

[HitsuOri]

Funny, how they quickly closed the fanclub 'Anti-IchigoOrihime' in just a few hours of my comment....that it is the fact that they are too threatened by the prospect that KT is going to make IchigoOrihime an official Bleach pairing (cannon pairing).

Oh dear, I really thought of joining them.....shall I open a new fanclub?? Anti-Ichigo/Orihime?? I try not to add anti-Renji/Rukia fanclub while I am it. And I shall try and make it very funny indeed.

[l'irrépressible]

@hitsuori: hello........we have MORE ichiruki in the manga than u guys, accept the fact. and also, i have asked prophecy to close the thread EVEN b4 u come online....... go and read my posts, i was closing it out of GOODWILL.
like aiddonvalentine (your fellow ichiOri) said to YOU in BF, "please do NOT feign humility when u r arrogant enough to flaunt genius."
i couldn't have put it better myself.... coming from your fellow ichiOri it just adds the cherry to the cake.

[HitsuOri]

AiddonValentine.......why don't you tell me, what you want?? Do you wish to sit around and let people criticize about Orihime,criticize OrihimexIchigo pairing behind people's backs, promote IchigoRukia with their so called arguements (do you really agree with their points about IchigoOrihime being not a good coupling but IchigoRukia is??), MOANING FOR RUKIA MOMENTS just to be beside Ichigo (thus IchigoRukia love)??

And don't you think it's valid to just give insults without refuting points which you think it's unacceptable??

If this is what you want.....then perhaps I should stop supporting IchiHime because of the people/fans and not because of the coupling. I dislike real people more especially when their attidues suck (backstabbers,and not a team player.)

I always stand by what I said.....people first, attidue second and then the pairing later. I never really wanted Ichigo to have Orihime, because in my opinion.....Inoue is too good for someone like Ichigo(just like Tatsuki, Hirako and Karin said). He should end up with the person of his standard/level like Rukia, Hiyori, Tatsuki. But I cannot help but to see that KT is pushing for IchigoxOrihime, since I like to study stuffs. And I will help when I see the opposite team going overboard with their arrogance and blantant lies.

........judging from the way asam posts, i think she/he may have a really difficult childhood that conflicts with his/her inner demons......i apologise for all my previous actions, and i forgive all your posts which had belittled and attacked people, i cannot deny i have lunged back at you, because i definitely had, out of anger......but all that.....i let go, because after carefully reading ur posts.....u really have a huge identity problem, ur posts are contradictory, to make things even more bizarre.....u in turn say people are contradicting themselves.....i really hope u get help fast,before u lost all senses of who U REALLY ARE.
i have come to know that u stated before that u are diligent in reading the bible, but i am horrified to see that u do not "walk the walk", nor did u "talk the talk".....i m not perfect myself, nobody is......but please dont go all mad and crazy and want to punish people just because they have done wrong.
after all, didn't jesus said to forgive? jesus is love.
i'm not here to spread religion or pound them into u....i'm just reminding u of all the posts u have so vehemently posted against people......previously i had tried every bit of my fibre to go against u becoz i simply find your posts so out-of-this-world. i apologise.....i should have known earlier......for that, i'm sorry...as brother in christ, please go and get help. this is really sad......asam i wish u all the best....good luck...hope one day u are able to get rid of your demons...

Wasn't this the same person who idolized Kuchiki Rukia and IchigoxRukia?? No wonder I dislike Kuchiki Rukia so much.

AiddonValentine......who do you think then is the lesser evil??

At least I am not the kind who goes saying harsh things and flaming people just because they cannot accept my points.



jertuyq...
You know.....I did see you visiting this thread many times, especially during the part where I explained about Ichigo and Orihime being the 'moon' and 'sun' of the show......yet there is no refutation from you......was there?? There wasn't anymore mention about Rukia being the moon, and Ichigo the sun in your club either, isn't it??

Keeping quiet is really good.

I don't intend to participate in your 'sun and moon' discussion....because I think it wouldn't be nice to crush the hopes of IchiRuki fans who want to see IchiRuki being the cannon pairing.

And another thing....if you think that throwing your ladylove from a clift like a bag of trash, and yelling at her as a sign of love......

then you really, really have a wicked, wicked, abusive sense of love.




Oh, btw....please, we all know your true colours beneath the pretense mask.

I posted the comment 'that these people are threatened by so much IchiHime pairing's evidences' at 12.48 am.

You put up a reply at 3.23 am....saying nicely that 'we shouldn't put up anti-IchiHime sentiments in the anti-IchiHime fanclub, just put it in IchiRuki fanclubs'.

Your reply at 3.44 am....
i will ask someone to close it......... u guys just stay active in ichigo x rukia club and that will be more than enough.

Prophecy424 closed the thread at 3.49 am.

We really know who you really are, jertuyq beneath the mask of pretension. And try not to lie that often.

[hikari_taicho]

O.o Byakuya and Youruichi??
Did I miss a lot of Bleach here? lol

[nikuwadoko]

so much drama revolving around this thread...I am suspecting it has to do with the anti IchiOri fc? I dunno, someone explain.

[hikari_taicho]

*sings Mary J. Blige's "No More Drama"* lmao.

[tha sandman]

im new here and just want to get things going..can anybody make me or tell me how to make cool avatars and signatures...plz
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i notice that some ppls avatars are movie clips

[hikari_taicho]

well, i'm too lazy to do avatars, but you should use Adobe ImageReady for those.
For sigs, well, I use Photoshop.
That help any, sandman-san?
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Yeah, those movie clips are clips that you can get by using ImageReady

[l'irrépressible]

hitsuori u are the biggest wuss i have ever came across....despite all your condescending and fierce attacks in posts, do u think u are so superior to others?.... u think u are able to affect other people's reactions so much? u are such a sore loser for stalking on people's posts. PLEASE DO NOT THINK YOU DO NOT HAVE VICIOUS POSTS ON YOUR SIDE. do u honestly think U are a saint or something!??! i just cannot be a loser like U for flipping back on people's posts and QUOTE them everywhere after a WEEK OR MONTH has passed. your actions alone show just how small a man/woman U are. how OLD are u, exactly????

if u have NO idea about your reputation, please post a poll somewhere on a random site. i am very sure people would label you as the biggest moron ever.

i DO NOT go back on my words..u posting my old post here makes NO difference to me. I STAND STRONG on my posts....ESPECIALLY the one u just posted. i was, and STILL AM, REALLY sorry because U are just SO SAD. i apologised because i thought u really deserve my apology, since u seem like a person who is having trouble with identities..... U will still get my sympathy.....because u so deserve it.

for goodness SAKE, why are u so insistent that U think ppl are threatened by YOU?? I pm-ed prophecy424 to close the thread after i saw the ANTI-FC. and it wasn't becoz of U..come to think of it, if I HAD seen UR POST, i would HAVE ENCOURAGED the ANTI-FC to go on, just so i can PISS U OFF.

what kind of GUY are YOU, that is a co-owner of a YAOI FC? what kind of GUY are YOU, that u keep asking ME to be a "gentleman" to YOU!? what kind of GUY are YOU, that u asked me why can't i be a "quarter of a man" TO YOU!?!?! are you GAY?! .......MY GOD

ur existence must have been absolutely MINIMAL in ur sad life to even try so hard in cyberworld to MAXIMISE your influence using ur warped logic..... let me guess. u do not have friends in real life to pour ur emotions towards to.

please for the love of GOD, go get your PASTOR. u need help. and you can also remove all those acne from your face.

[nikuwadoko]

*sigh* it's HitsuOri v. Jertuyq again...I think I get it now.

[hikari_taicho]

Gosh, so much drama in here..btw, what are you doing in here, jertuyq. If you're just going to be flaming people, you don't even need to be on. It was very unnecessary for you to go all out on Hitsuori like that. Couldn't you have PM-ed him/her?

[nikuwadoko]

seemingly Jertu is only defending himself because HitsuOri ignored his pms and flames him in here.

[sheetz]

Jertuyq and Hitsuori,

I'm not even an official member of this FC but I have to say this: Please don't ruin this thread with this petty bickering! Things discussed in other forums should stay there and it's certainly not considered good form to bring AiddenValentine into this thread without her permission. She is perfectly capable of defending herself.

I don't care who is at fault but out of respect for everyone else I will ask you two to please walk away from the argument and let it go.

[hikari_taicho]

it would seem that way...is this an ongoing thing? i've only been here a few days.

[HitsuOri]

hitsuori u are the biggest wuss i have ever came across....despite all your condescending and fierce attacks in posts, do u think u are so superior to others?.... u think u are able to affect other people's reactions so much? u are such a sore loser for stalking on people's posts. PLEASE DO NOT THINK YOU DO NOT HAVE VICIOUS POSTS ON YOUR SIDE. do u honestly think U are a saint or something!??! i just cannot be a loser like U for flipping back on people's posts and QUOTE them everywhere after a WEEK OR MONTH has passed. your actions alone show just how small a man/woman U are. how OLD are u, exactly????

if u have NO idea about your reputation, please post a poll somewhere on a random site. i am very sure people would label you as the biggest moron ever.

i DO NOT go back on my words..u posting my old post here makes NO difference to me. I STAND STRONG on my posts....ESPECIALLY the one u just posted. i was, and STILL AM, REALLY so