Ichigo x Orihime FC

[Undying]

All too true. KT himself said that the manga takes up all of his time, and given the fact that he works alone on Bleach, without a multitude of co-workers, authors, and drawers (or how do you call those who draw in plural form?) helping him, its kinda obvious he'd have all of his time taken bjust by drawing, inventing, and creating his manga, it makes perfect sense that he will not be involved in doing the anime, for shortage of time (not that he would've had much effect on it anyway).

[HitsuOri]

**sighs**

'Request'.....not demand.

Besides.....what do you think KT would profit, if he's going to make his Bleach ending with IchiOri......when the anime are into super-loved IchiRuki??

Unless the manga ending is going to be IchiRuki ending after all......

[sheetz]

Besides.....what do you think KT would profit, if he's going to make his Bleach ending with IchiOri......when the anime are into super-loved IchiRuki??


Monetarily it probably won't matter either way. However, I do think his reputation as a good writer is on the line. From the way KT has developed the story he has virtually written himself into a corner in that it's very hard for him to not make IchiOri the canon pairing without making him look like somewhat of a hack.

[hikari_taicho]

Monetarily it probably won't matter either way. However, I do think his reputation as a good writer is on the line. From the way KT has developed the story he has virtually written himself into a corner in that it's very hard for him to not make IchiOri the canon pairing without making him look like somewhat of a hack.

*agrees*


QUESTION! So since the Bountou story right now is considered "fillers," (well it is, really. Not just considered to be) does that mean that the anime producers don't have to go back to the original story in the manga? Could that be what happened to Naruto?

[sheetz]

QUESTION! So since the Bountou story right now is considered "fillers," (well it is, really. Not just considered to be) does that mean that the anime producers don't have to go back to the original story in the manga? Could that be what happened to Naruto?

I think there's no reason for the anime to not return to the original manga storyline after the fillers are done. Things will have to be altered, of course, but it could be done without too much difficulty. Naruto looks like it is going to pick up from where it left off in the manga after fillers are done.

The bigger question with Bleach is whether or not the anime will keep the current manga storyline mostly intact, or will they try to make it more IchiRuki. Will Orihime's farewell scene be kept? Will Ichigo even care if Orihime gets kidnapped? Or will Rukia be the one to be kidnapped by Aizen instead? I'm really curious to see what happens.

[AiddonValentine]

Due to the fact that Orihime's capture is a key story point, I believe they'll keep it intact unless they want to suffer thousands upon thousands of angry letters. If you think we obsess over series, we're second-rate compared to the Japanese. That scene and Ichigo's feelings are also important, so there's no way the studio could alter it without embarassing themselves and pissing viewers off.

[sheetz]

^I was being somewhat tongue in cheek, but I do believe how the anime producers deal with the current manga arc will be a litmus test for whether or not they are truly being intentially biased or just guilty of overzealousness in their attempts to jazz up the storyline.

[HitsuOri]

Honestly...to me, I really don't care about the anime..... whether it'll have IchiOri or whether it's not going to have IchiOri.

Because I think....the anime producers failed to capture any deep emotions, save humor and action. It has become something routine and stale....nothing very refreshing out of it. I don't know whether (1)it's Ichigo's usual scowly, loud expression, (2) the normal bickerings between Ichigo and Rukia....which is supposed to be an expression of old-married couple (I think Renji and Ichigo could do better in expressing that way....than Ichigo and Rukia).....(3) because it is moving in a fast-paced motions. The anime had long time lost out in romance. Even Yoshino and Ishida....did they capture any supposedly romance between them....I only could empathized Yoshino's loneliness and burden in the world...but no any love/romance between the two. HitsugayaxHinamori?? MatsumotoxGin?? They are only appealing in the fans' imaginations.

So even if there are to be included in the animes.....the Bleach anime fans are just going to be indifferent towards them.....they are not going to be able to feel anything out of it. All they know is, it's the usual thing, nothing big.....Orihime has a crush, a one-sided love for Ichigo.....while Ichigo has a secret love for Rukia and vice-versa because of the so-called petty quarrels he so enjoyed with Rukia.

[Juuju]

I'm glad that KT isn't involved much in the anime plot then, because that would show he's orientated towards IchiRuki. It's rather stupid that mangakas don't get much say in anime, so many good mangas are ruined after I seen the anime. KT shouldn't give a crap about the anime cuz I sure don't (fair enough, I've never seen it but...), as long as it won't affect his manga work.

Oh I'd love to slap an IchiOri ending in some IchiRuki fans' faces for like HitsuOri said,

Orihime has a crush, a one-sided love for Ichigo.....while Ichigo has a secret love for Rukia and vice-versa because of the so-called petty quarrels he so enjoyed with Rukia.

I don't see any signs of Ichigo harbouring a secret burning desire for Rukia's flat chest at all. :P

[AiddonValentine]

extremely bad interpretation on the viewers' part; particularly the main guy and main girl theme has been played out to hell and is extremely boring and bland nowadays. Any relation the two have is strictly platonic and people who think otherwise have basically just made up hints to convince themselves.

[hikari_taicho]

Actually, i don't think they'll go with Rukia being captured. Aizen could've taken her with him to Hueco Mundo instead of just taking the Hougoku and leaving.

Why has this argument's main focus point become boobs?:LOL:

HitsuOri >> NO~! *pushes Hinamori off a cliff* Hitsugaya is mine. lol

[HitsuOri]

Actually, i don't think they'll go with Rukia being captured. Aizen could've taken her with him to Hueco Mundo instead of just taking the Hougoku and leaving.
Why has this argument's main focus point become boobs?:LOL:
HitsuOri >> NO~! *pushes Hinamori off a cliff* Hitsugaya is mine. lol
There would be so cruel!!!

[ManjiSTP]

Hello everyone, I've just joined this forum, and now I'd like to join this FC. :)

Well, I think this pairing is very interesting - I was just thinking about it yesterday as I was reading the manga for the first time. What I got from the manga was that Rukia and Ichigo are more like very close friends, whereas Orihime really does seem to have a very strong desire for Ichigo.

I always saw it that it should be Ichigo with Orihime and Rukia with Renji. I think they just work together as couples better. Ichigo and Rukia remind me of the sorts of people who many people think would make a great couple ('cos they always hang around together) so they get together... And then it doesn't work because they were just friends.

[hikari_taicho]

HitsuOri >> lmao BWHAHAHAHA!


Well, I think this pairing is very interesting - I was just thinking about it yesterday as I was reading the manga for the first time. What I got from the manga was that Rukia and Ichigo are more like very close friends, whereas Orihime really does seem to have a very strong desire for Ichigo.
I always saw it that it should be Ichigo with Orihime and Rukia with Renji. I think they just work together as couples better. Ichigo and Rukia remind me of the sorts of people who many people think would make a great couple ('cos they always hang around together) so they get together... And then it doesn't work because they were just friends.

OMGOSH I SO AGREE!! *hugs* Those are my exact thoughts..
Although, I've been an Ichigo x Inoue fan since episode 2. I didn't even start reading the manga until May, and I've been watching the anime since April.

[Undying]

Welcome ManjuSTP!!! as alwasy, all are welcome here, but be warned: we tend to be crazy here and there.

Anyway, I think that if you look close enough at the anime, particulary the Soul Society arc, you can see that KT has no touches there; it's just too shallow. First of all, they cut out 99% of the truly funny scenes regarding early chapters (Tatsuki's little comment about how should Inoue use her boobs, for example), and they subtracted fat too much of the characters' integrity. Rukia, particualy, ahve been made into a whimpering b!tch who can't do jack to save herself (well, that's all too true, but...), Inoue has been made into a complete air-headed but boobed emo with no depth (while in the manga, along with her emo-ness, she also gains depth to her formerly air-heaeded character. You know, character development), and the list goes on. KT's work in the manga easily reveals depth and differences in all characters (except Rukia... she is completely typical...). Examples would be Inoue, who should be a complete air head (as she is in the anime), but has depth beyond the immediate view, Byakuya, who also reveals he has a very deep caring and love while he should've been killed because he's so cold, and Aizen, who isn't the usual cold evil we know and hate. All this seems to have been removed in the anime, leaving the character shallow and empty; all too predictable and boring.


And, do you honestly think the quality of the drawing would go down the well so badly if KT had a say in this?

[HitsuOri]

HitsuOri >> lmao BWHAHAHAHA!


I may not support HitsuHinamOri pairing.................I support HitsugayOrihime pairing

But don't you think you are throwing the wrong girl off the cliff??

[hikari_taicho]

Undying >> hm..i guess i should go back and read the soul society arc in the manga. I've only read the arrancar part.

lol who would you like to throw off? lol

[ManjiSTP]

To Undying:
Well I generally see what you mean. I hadn't read the manga until I had got right up to episode 92 in the anime. It struck me how much more real and gritty everything felt in the manga, and as you say, there are lots of details that are important that the anime ignored. I'm not sure, but I think the anime also left out that Chad has a weakness for cute things?
I do think it's inevitable though, a necessary evil. The anime has the advantage that it's all in colour and moving around (usually ^^;) whereas the manga is like the connoisseurs choice, I guess.
As for the drawing quality in the more recent episodes; I agree entirely. I guess it's because when it's based on the manga they can use Tite's art as the key frames, but without him they have to improvise and usually fail, sadly enough.
Just back to the lack of character detail for a sec; perhaps what I found most disappointing was the way they changed Renji and Ikkaku. In the manga Renji is actually quite threatening - a real true punk, and Ikkaku is downright terrifyingly single-mindedly violent! In the anime they're lighter and fluffier. Renji is vaguely sort of "rough and tumble" but nowhere near his imposing manga self. And Ikkaku is more or less comic relief... -_-;;
I also heard a lot of people moaning about how the canon was messed up, and I originally thought they were just being picky... But now I can really see what they're talking about...
In the anime Nemu give Ishida the Quincy Bracelet, in the manga it's his father! Man, they really messed that up.

[HitsuOri]

Actually.....after rescue Rukia arc.....Renji started to show his funny and light side of him.

Anyone here think that Ichigo would have to protect Orihime from the arrancars and the shinigamis.....especially Yamamoto and Mayuri??

[AiddonValentine]

The anime does seem pretty shallow at times; though its purpose is also solely entertainment and the artistic value of it suffers as such. The anime doesn't have close to the emotional impact as the original manga does and quite a few characters suffer from classification of stereotypes that the staff seems to have shoved them into. Orihime and Ichigo I believe suffer the most from this; they have one of the most intriguing and unique relationships I've seen in contemporary manga and all that Noriyuki Abe and the storyboards have done is just butcher it to hell.

Particularly, I don't think many anime adapted from manga have emotional impact any more. Original anime do, but all that adaptations of manga seem to do these days is just make it so the manga is moving and that's about it. I just don't feel like the studios put their hearts into it and they try to make all this acting like it's supposed to be dramatic and touching and all it does is come off stale. All they're really doing is mimicry with no soul and at times they don't even do that right. I mean, there are some exceptions with certain scenes, but it's just too few and far between so the drama is turned into these boring fads we have nowadays called "angst and emo" and as such it just comes off stupid.

Seriously, I've gotten sick of this age of cynicism and apathy the world is in right now. People who try to show something meaningful get screwed and people who don't care get everything. Kubo who's putting his soul, blood, and tears into his work can't do anything while the studio just butchers his work for money and popularity. All it is is an imitation used for selling merchandise and not enough people know of Kubo's true passion. As such, the industry severely needs a rennaissance

[ManjiSTP]

The anime does seem pretty shallow at times; though its purpose is also solely entertainment and the artistic value of it suffers as such. The anime doesn't have close to the emotional impact as the original manga does and quite a few characters suffer from classification of stereotypes that the staff seems to have shoved them into. Orihime and Ichigo I believe suffer the most from this; they have one of the most intriguing and unique relationships I've seen in contemporary manga and all that Noriyuki Abe and the storyboards have done is just butcher it to hell.
Particularly, I don't think many anime adapted from manga have emotional impact any more. Original anime do, but all that adaptations of manga seem to do these days is just make it so the manga is moving and that's about it. I just don't feel like the studios put their hearts into it and they try to make all this acting like it's supposed to be dramatic and touching and all it does is come off stale. All they're really doing is mimicry with no soul and at times they don't even do that right. I mean, there are some exceptions with certain scenes, but it's just too few and far between so the drama is turned into these boring fads we have nowadays called "angst and emo" and as such it just comes off stupid.
Seriously, I've gotten sick of this age of cynicism and apathy the world is in right now. People who try to show something meaningful get screwed and people who don't care get everything. Kubo who's putting his soul, blood, and tears into his work can't do anything while the studio just butchers his work for money and popularity. All it is is an imitation used for selling merchandise and not enough people know of Kubo's true passion. As such, the industry severely needs a rennaissance

Well it's like with books into movies. No matter how good the movie is, if the book was exceptional the movie can't get close. Take LotR for example. Fantastic movie, but it's lightyears away from the book in terms of detail, atmosphere, depth of character and sheer impact.

Same with the Bleach anime. Whatever one can say about it, it is still one of the best animes out there, and avoids so many of the cliches of anime, with the one exception of the mighty, lone wolf shounen main character. But, whatever they do, it can never be as good as the manga.

I don't think it's neccessarily because they're not trying though. I think if Kubo Tite had to colour, animate, voice and apply music to every frame then he'd soon drop a lot of the scenes he would have otherwise done, and would generally lose quality here and there.

Actually.....after rescue Rukia arc.....Renji started to show his funny and light side of him.


Well in fact, I was basing what I was saying of Renji on the Vaizard arc; for example, the bit where they go to stay at Keigo's house. He seems like the sort of person that would genuinely scare the shit out of you if he turned up, also like the sort of person that just wouldn't be allowed into a club on sight. In the anime he's more like the sort of person you would find in a club, with his cool red hairdo and tattoos, and not much of the grit and threat to back it up.

[Undying]

Indeed; what I find most distastful is that the anime seems bent on cutting and changing all the wrong scenes. What I mean is, while cutting scenes is inevitable (partially due to the animation - some scenes are just unneccessary), and changing is also a neccesary evil (again, often due to the fact it's animated... the scenes just aren't neccesary anymore as they were) the Bleach anime just cuts and changes all the important parts. For example, one change I still can't get over is Ichigo and Orihime's relationship in the early episodes. Particualry, they removed all the importance of Inoue's encouraging of Ichigo to go on as a Shinigami, and somehow shoce all the credit to Rukia.

[AiddonValentine]

bah, anime back in the early to mid nineties had practically every scene in the original manga and still they made a huge emotional impact. Nowadays the technology is better due to computers and digital coloring and such, so saying they have to animate and color and etc is pretty much a very lazy excuse to cut out scenes that are important and entertaining while replacing them with ones that are very dull and meaningless as well as making characters seem very out of character as opposed to their original counterparts in the anime. Particularly, I see no reason to change those scenes except ones that are either very sensual or extremely violent. Believe me, I'm not going to cut these guys slack especially when the director also directed YYH, which is one of my favorite series and I consider the anime adaptation even better than the original manga (the **** Abe, where the hell did your friggin' talent go to?????)

The Bleach anime is good, but not excellent or a masterpiece as original anime such as Samurai Champloo or Evangelion since all the people are doing with Bleach is just copying someone else. Particularly, the anime fillers have proven that the studio is now clumping quite a few of the characters into stereotypes and creating cliche' situations. As such, the anime is actually mediocre when compared to the manga, even at its best moments.

[ManjiSTP]

bah, anime back in the early to mid nineties had practically every scene in the original manga and still they made a huge emotional impact. Nowadays the technology is better due to computers and digital coloring and such, so saying they have to animate and color and etc is pretty much a very lazy excuse to cut out scenes that are important and entertaining while replacing them with ones that are very dull and meaningless as well as making characters seem very out of character as opposed to their original counterparts in the anime. Particularly, I see no reason to change those scenes except ones that are either very sensual or extremely violent. Believe me, I'm not going to cut these guys slack especially when the director also directed YYH, which is one of my favorite series and I consider the anime adaptation even better than the original manga (the **** Abe, where the hell did your friggin' talent go to?????)
The Bleach anime is good, but not excellent or a masterpiece as original anime such as Samurai Champloo or Evangelion since all the people are doing with Bleach is just copying someone else. Particularly, the anime fillers have proven that the studio is now clumping quite a few of the characters into stereotypes and creating cliche' situations. As such, the anime is actually mediocre when compared to the manga, even at its best moments.

I obviously respect your opinion, but I would say that it's always a danger to state that things used to be better in the old days. I mean, for example, there are a lot of people who like FFVI over FFVII. All of these people were young and at their peak of love of games when FFVI came out. Myself, I didn't play FFVI at that age, but I played FFVII when I was only 12 to 13.

I totally fell in love with it, despite its many flaws. I played FFVI when I was about 22 and thought "Hm, nice game!" but didn't think it was the intergalactic classic that many made it out to be. The difference: I was 22 while playing, they were about 11 to 14, and everything seems so much more magical at that age, hence my particular love of FFVII and their disdain for it, as it came after VI to them, and when they were that bit older.

I also think there are two very interesting things about the other examples you gave: Champloo was all about the style and innovation of the animation, that was its USP or Unique Selling Point. In other words, it was totally designed to be an anime from the ground up. Then we have NGE. That actually was basically a coloured manga being filmed with voices over the top for the most part. In other words, it may as well have been a manga.

I think it's interesting that both of these shows are sort of opposites. Simply, SC is genetically an anime and NGE is essentially a manga. Bleach is in the position of being a great manga with excellent touches and imagination, but also very much an anime sort of thing due to the high speed action and so on. It's in a sort of no-man's land, in other words. Unlike NGE, which could have just been a great manga, Bleach was crying out for an anime conversion; Unlike SC it wasn't entirely designed to be an anime.

That's what I feel on the matter anyway. :doindadom

[Undying]

I get you point, ManjiSTP, and definetly understand that Bleach is a good anime. My problem are the fundamental changes they've made, especially concerning pairings and Ichigo. Of course everything seems different when you're 14; when I was 12-14 I watched Pokemon and loved it and now I don't think much of it (I'm only 17 BTW... ehehe). But Bleach seems to be going down the hill as its anime progresses.

On a side question... just how old are you?

[AiddonValentine]

...don't even try to get me started on games because I can and WILL get so nasty you'll go crying home. But since this isn't a gaming forum, I won't do that.

[ManjiSTP]

I get you point, ManjiSTP, and definetly understand that Bleach is a good anime. My problem are the fundamental changes they've made, especially concerning pairings and Ichigo. Of course everything seems different when you're 14; when I was 12-14 I watched Pokemon and loved it and now I don't think much of it (I'm only 17 BTW... ehehe). But Bleach seems to be going down the hill as its anime progresses.
On a side question... just how old are you?

23. I suppose when I said "...when I was 22" it made it seem like that was ages ago.

As far as Bleach going downhill... Well it's been odd for me. I watched the first two arcs smoothly though and really enjoyed them.Then I stopped watching Bleach for ages. I don't know why, but I tend to sort of just stop doing things now and again.

Anyway, I recently came back to it only to see that it was all filler. At first I thought "hmm, not so bad. The 3 new characters are cool!" but as it introduced the Bounto and just meandered aimlessly around I began to think rather less positive thoughts about it. Now that I've read most of the manga I'm even more shocked at what they've screwed around with.

On the other hand, reading the manga has also given me a lot of hope because now I've seen how truly cool it gets in the next arc. I seriously can't wait to see it in the anime.

[hikari_taicho]

undying >> yeah, i thought the way Uruuyu got his powers back in the manga was more interesting thatn the anime.
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I'm 18! YAY!

Anyone who's read the SS arc in the manga: what was Ichigo's reason for saving Rukia? In the anime, he always said because "he owed her." Why, then, would ppl think that he loves Rukia instead of Inoue, if he's only saved Rukia to repay a debt, while he doesn't owe Inoue anything? Or does he think that he does owe Inoue because of the healing she gave him? Any opinons?

[sheetz]

Why, then, would ppl think that he loves Rukia instead of Inoue, if he's only saved Rukia to repay a debt, while he doesn't owe Inoue anything? Or does he think that he does owe Inoue because of the healing she gave him? Any opinons?

The most common argument is that "Ichigo is just denying his feelings" with regards to Rukia, and that he treats Inoue "like his sister." I personally don't think attempting to rescue either one is necessarily an indication of the depths of Ichigo's feelings. However, with Rukia Urahara actually told Ichigo that he believed him to have the strength to succeed in his mission, whereas with Orihime, Ichigo pretty much knew he would be going to his death.

[ManjiSTP]

undying >> yeah, i thought the way Uruuyu got his powers back in the manga was more interesting thatn the anime.
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I'm 18! YAY!
Anyone who's read the SS arc in the manga: what was Ichigo's reason for saving Rukia? In the anime, he always said because "he owed her." Why, then, would ppl think that he loves Rukia instead of Inoue, if he's only saved Rukia to repay a debt, while he doesn't owe Inoue anything? Or does he think that he does owe Inoue because of the healing she gave him? Any opinons?

Well, I've only read up to about volume 4 or 5 (I forget, but it's the one that introduces Ishida and it's called Quincy Archer Hates You) and then I skipped and read the Vaizard arc up till where it's at right now.

Frankly, I think people just link Rukia and Ichigo because the notion is just handed to them on a plate. People tend to flock to one of two takes on pairings; the obvious, blatant ones and then the obscure, probably never gonna happen ones. Rukia x Ichigo for the former, Byakuya x Unohana for that latter.

My stance on it is that, in an ideal world, Rukia and Renji should get together as they grew up together and have shared many experiences. It just fits. Then Ichigo and Orihime for similar reasons, I also think Orihime's optimism is a good counterpoint for Ichigo's frowny, grim determination. I also really like the idea of Renji and Tatsuki, but that's mere fanboyism, I have to admit. Though, it can be reasoned through, I just don't think it's going to go that way at all. But they both have a sort of underdog feel to them, as well as this sort of scruffy feel!

If it goes the obvious way and it's Rukia x Ichigo, then I guess I'd see it as Ishida x Orihime (basing it solely on their being in SS together) and then Renji x Tatsuki. Hell, why not Jinta x Karin and Parakeet Boy x Yuzu, while we're at it!

[hikari_taicho]

Well, and also as you probably already read where I posted in the Renji FC if you've been there, Manji-chan, he seemed very happy where he was at the moment when he was running with Rukia down the steps of the Sougoku hill.

Kinda off topic, excuse me, though.

Actually, I think Jinta has a crush on Yuzu, if you go back to the Karakura Hero episodes.

Well, and anyway, back on topic, Ganju asked Ichigo if he was in love with Rukia, and Ichigo *casually* said no, that he owed her. He didn't make a big scene of it, which leads me to believe that he really wasn't rescuing her because of his feelings of love.
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Actually, I thought that Ishida had a crush on Inoue during the SS arc.

[HitsuOri]

undying >> yeah, i thought the way Uruuyu got his powers back in the manga was more interesting thatn the anime.
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I'm 18! YAY!
Anyone who's read the SS arc in the manga: what was Ichigo's reason for saving Rukia? In the anime, he always said because "he owed her." Why, then, would ppl think that he loves Rukia instead of Inoue, if he's only saved Rukia to repay a debt, while he doesn't owe Inoue anything? Or does he think that he does owe Inoue because of the healing she gave him? Any opinons?

Question........if Ichigo saved Rukia because he wanted to repay a debt....Rukia's powers gave made him a shinigami........and......

let's say that what hikari say is true.....that Ichigo want to save Inoue because of the healing she gave to him(the hand healing)......

which reason would led you to believe that Ichigo is not being honest with himself??

hikari_taicho is right. Ichigo isn't someone who hides what he feels and thinks in his heart; save for someone, of course. I mean....with his frequent outbursts, violent behaviours (and sometimes gentle, humble acts).....should he subject to how he feel about a person inside and overlayer it with the opposite reaction??

Ganju asked him.....whether he did it out of love for Rukia. Ichigo said no.....he did it because he owed her. There was no big fuss/reaction when Ganju asked this. If he really did it because of Rukia love.....Kurosaki Ichigo would be the greatest actor in the world.



.............on another note; it's nice to see that Ichigo trusts Inoue's healing abilities......the part that Ichigo says that nobody could ever heal his hand like that.....and Inoue could fix everything up back to it's normal. I suppose that was why Ichigo was more emotional down and longer down when Inoue got hurt than when Rukia got hurt. It's because nobody could fix Inoue up well and in a short time, if compared to Rukia's wound.

[sheetz]

Or does he think that he does owe Inoue because of the healing she gave him? Any opinons?

I think one could argue that Ichigo would want to save her because he had vowed to protect her. But then the next question would be why did Ichigo have this need to make that vow in the first place.

[HitsuOri]

I think one could argue that Ichigo would want to save her because he had vowed to protect her. But then the next question would be why did Ichigo have this need to make that vow in the first place.


Because of guilt?? That he failed to save her from Yammy at the first place??

[hikari_taicho]

hikari_taicho is right. Ichigo isn't someone who hides what he feels and thinks in his heart; save for someone, of course. I mean....with his frequent outbursts, violent behaviours (and sometimes gentle, humble acts).....should he subject to how he feel about a person inside and overlayer it with the opposite reaction??
*dances* *turns up the bass* lmao jk

I suppose i missed a lot not reading the SS arc in the manga. I don't remember Inoue being caught by Yama-jii.. -.-' i should really go back and read..

[wr80]

Man I should probably read the manga from the beginning to see that... But in the anime we can tell she likes Ichigo after Byayuka vs Ichigo fight

[hikari_taicho]

actually, I could tell from episode 2 of the anime that she like him
Also, during the attack, you could tell.
Call it woman's intuition! :redbiggri

[Juuju]

I think one could argue that Ichigo would want to save her because he had vowed to protect her. But then the next question would be why did Ichigo have this need to make that vow in the first place.

It might be the lead into something later, like now she's taken to Hueco Mundo. Ichigo feels he should stand by his promise to her earlier and go rescue her.

Orihime's love for Ichigo is important, if you notice how many panels of her face to Ichigo's reactions are in the manga constantly, you won't say it's just there for show.

Oh and I also agree in that Ishida has a little crush on Orihime too, he was very protective of her.

[HitsuOri]

It might be the lead into something later, like now she's taken to Hueco Mundo. Ichigo feels he should stand by his promise to her earlier and go rescue her.
Orihime's love for Ichigo is important, if you notice how many panels of her face to Ichigo's reactions are in the manga constantly, you won't say it's just there for show.
Oh and I also agree in that Ishida has a little crush on Orihime too, he was very protective of her.

Which ones??

I was more interested with Ichigo than with Inoue.

[ManjiSTP]

Well, on the topic of ways in which we can see that Orihime loves Ichigo, there's something very interesting in either the last manga chapter, or certainly one of the last few (note: it contains a mention of a major recent manga plot event as well as about Ichigo x Orihime):
Orihime is told she can only say good bye to one person before she leaves, for what she believes (and may well believe) is for good. Out of everybody, she picks Ichigo. Then, as he lies asleep, injured in bed, she says something along the lines of, "I wish I could have been born 5 times in 5 different places. I would have had five jobs and eaten 5 times the amount of cake! But in each life I would have fallen in love with the same person - you Ichigo." She then heals him fully and leaves...
Wow...

[HitsuOri]

Well, on the topic of ways in which we can see that Orihime loves Ichigo, there's something very interesting in either the last manga chapter, or certainly one of the last few (note: it contains a mention of a major recent manga plot event as well as about Ichigo x Orihime):
Orihime is told she can only say good bye to one person before she leaves, for what she believes (and may well believe) is for good. Out of everybody, she picks Ichigo. Then, as he lies asleep, injured in bed, she says something along the lines of, "I wish I could have been born 5 times in 5 different places. I would have had five jobs and eaten 5 times the amount of cake! But in each life I would have fallen in love with the same person - you Ichigo." She then heals him fully and leaves...
Wow...

I like this one....


'I know....I get it....but at least tell me how to go to Huenco Mundo. Inoue is OUR friend/comrade/ally.....I'LL GO AND SAVE HER MYSELF.'

If the next chapter is true.....
......that Ichigo refuse first to allow Ishida and Chad to follow him to Huenco Mundo,......that show how much Ichigo is willing to forgo.....even his pride.....for Inoue. It's interesting to see how Ichigo refuse to share 'save Inoue' mission with others.....taking the role as her protector seriously.

Strange.....I am actually hoping the next chapter's summary would not be true.....because it doesn't correlate with the little 'hint/preview' that was shown in Naruto's page; two weeks ago.

[Juuju]

Which ones??
I was more interested with Ichigo than with Inoue.p

1) After they were let loose from the principle's office after the Don Kaji accident, there are shots of Orihime looking at Ichigo and then Rukia.
2) When someone enters the room (can't remember who) Orihime notices Ichigo's reaction.
3) When Orihime's healing Rukia after she's been impaled by GJ, she was looking at Ichigo's concerned face and we see her sadness.

Those are a few to say the least.

The latest chapter (239), if it's true, really does suggest a rescue arc... Where are the vizards?!

[hikari_taicho]

I like this one....

'I know....I get it....but at least tell me how to go to Huenco Mundo. Inoue is OUR friend/comrade/ally.....I'LL GO AND SAVE HER MYSELF.'
If the next chapter is true.....
......that Ichigo refuse first to allow Ishida and Chad to follow him to Huenco Mundo,......that show how much Ichigo is willing to forgo.....even his pride.....for Inoue. It's interesting to see how Ichigo refuse to share 'save Inoue' mission with others.....taking the role as her protector seriously.
Strange.....I am actually hoping the next chapter's summary would not be true.....because it doesn't correlate with the little 'hint/preview' that was shown in Naruto's page; two weeks ago.


I liked that part too! It made me sad and happy at the same time:redbiggri

actually, I don't think Ishida would ask to go save her, seeing as he promised his father that he wouldn't speak to Shinigami again in order to retrieve his powers. Asking to help would involve being in contact with Ichigo (a Shinigami)

[HitsuOri]

Summary 239 confirmed.

Sheetz.....pay up! Your interpretation was wrong.....my interpretation was right. Ichigo never referred Ishida and Chad as our friend.....rather the Soul Society's/shinigamis friend to gain a knowledge access to Huenco Mundo.

[Undying]

Strange to note that Ichigo didn't have any encouragement this time; none to force him to go and rescue Inoue. Back before the Soul Society arc, he hesitated before going to Soul Society, and only thanks to Inoue's encouragement was he able to finaly go and win. This time, however, none of it was present. In fact, he has been denied any help; Soul Society actually tells him not to go; Rukia is useless as usual, but that's no surprise; and only Urahara who states that he feels guilty helps him, but that's no surprise either (someone has to play the good genius who helps the mian protagonist... :)).

But still Ichigo goes. He has no encouragement and everybody's against him, but still he goes. Something just makes this toatlly different from the Soul Society rescue arc... I wonder what is it...

[AiddonValentine]

Simple, he owed Rukia, but he promised Orihime and he's making good on it. This shows he's far more determined and decided not to let such small things hold him back. I'm actually thinking the entire operation will be successful with some casualties on Aizen's side and perhaps Aizen's confidence lowering because he can't predict wild cards. I think it'd be interesting if the Vastrode show and say to Aizen that they want neither his ideas nor his assistance; if anything, they probably think he's nothing more than just another arrogant, little man

[HitsuOri]

Strange to note that Ichigo didn't have any encouragement this time; none to force him to go and rescue Inoue. Back before the Soul Society arc, he hesitated before going to Soul Society, and only thanks to Inoue's encouragement was he able to finaly go and win. This time, however, none of it was present. In fact, he has been denied any help; Soul Society actually tells him not to go; Rukia is useless as usual, but that's no surprise; and only Urahara who states that he feels guilty helps him, but that's no surprise either (someone has to play the good genius who helps the mian protagonist... :)).
But still Ichigo goes. He has no encouragement and everybody's against him, but still he goes. Something just makes this toatlly different from the Soul Society rescue arc... I wonder what is it...

Do not speculate until you get the RAW and the full picture. For all we know.....something that Tatsuki said, may have cause him to be determine to go after Orihime in Huenco Mundo.

Has anyone notice.....this chapter is 'EagleS With Wings'.....when last two weeks it was 'Eagle Without Wings'??

Kids nowadays are so hot-blooded and fiery tempered......

[sheetz]

Summary 239 confirmed.
Sheetz.....pay up! Your interpretation was wrong.....my interpretation was right. Ichigo never referred Ishida and Chad as our friend.....rather the Soul Society's/shinigamis friend to gain a knowledge access to Huenco Mundo.

Sorry, but how do we know this? I 'm not following your reasoning.

[HitsuOri]

Well, on the topic of ways in which we can see that Orihime loves Ichigo, there's something very interesting in either the last manga chapter, or certainly one of the last few (note: it contains a mention of a major recent manga plot event as well as about Ichigo x Orihime):
Orihime is told she can only say good bye to one person before she leaves, for what she believes (and may well believe) is for good. Out of everybody, she picks Ichigo. Then, as he lies asleep, injured in bed, she says something along the lines of, "I wish I could have been born 5 times in 5 different places. I would have had five jobs and eaten 5 times the amount of cake! But in each life I would have fallen in love with the same person - you Ichigo." She then heals him fully and leaves...
Wow...

I like this one....


'I know....I get it....but at least tell me how to go to Huenco Mundo. Inoue is OUR friend/comrade/ally.....I'LL GO AND SAVE HER MYSELF.'

If the next chapter is true.....
......that Ichigo refuse first to allow Ishida and Chad to follow him to Huenco Mundo,......that show how much Ichigo is willing to forgo.....even his pride.....for Inoue. It's interesting to see how Ichigo refuse to share 'save Inoue' mission with others.....taking the role as her protector seriously.

pocketmofo's summary......

Ichigo goes to school.
Mizuiro and Keigo try and talk to Ichigo, but Mizuiro notices that Ichigo is acting a bit different. Tatsuki appears and tells Ichigo about how Inoue isn’t around, but Ichigo just tries to shrug her off. Tatsuki says that she’s seen Ichigo wearing kimono-like clothing fighting against something so she wants Ichigo to tell her everything but Ichigo just feigns ignorance.
Tatsuki then punches Ichigo and likely knocks him into a window.
She’s stopped by Keigo, but says sulkingly to Ichigo “we’re friends, right? Up until now ever since we were little we’ve helped each other when things have come up so stop trying to hide things.”
Ichigo leaves Tatsuki with Keigo and Mizuiro and tells them not to bother worrying about him.
Ichigo then goes to Urahara’s place.
Urahara tells Ichigo that he knew Ichigo would come so he prepared a way to Hueco Mundo.
Urahara says that he knew Inoue would be targeted so that’s why he pulled her off the frontlines. He takes responsibility for what’s happened so he’ll do whatever he can to help.
Ishida and Chad then show up.
Ichigotries to turn them down, but Chad uses his super arm to punch Ichigo. Ichigo blocks the punch with his sword, but notices that Chad is stronger than before.
Chad tells Ichigo not to carry the burden all by himself and to believe in them since that’s what friends are for. The three then decide to go to Hueco Mundo. End of Chapter.


Sumarry is true.

When asking for the method on how to go to Huenco Mundo.....Ichigo never referred Ishida and Chad as 'our friend'. He was cashing on the fact that Inoue had helped the Shinigamis/Soul Society....thus Inoue is Soul Society's / shinigamis friend/comrade/ally.....to get them (Soul Society) to at least tell him how to go to Huenco Mundo.

[sheetz]

When asking for the method on how to go to Huenco Mundo.....Ichigo never referred Ishida and Chad as 'our friend'. He was cashing on the fact that Inoue had helped the Shinigamis/Soul Society....thus Inoue is Soul Society's / shinigamis friend/comrade/ally.....to get them (Soul Society) to at least tell him how to go to Huenco Mundo.

You're simply restating your position but there's no real evidence to support it.

[HitsuOri]

You're simply restating your position but there's no real evidence to support it.
Well you did say that 'Inoue is our friend' (Ichigo's, Chad's AND Ishida's), and Ichigo was defiant enough to rebel Yamamoto's orders to want to save Inoue himself(singular....not plural).

Would you restate your position again in the light of manga chapter 239??

[Undying]

Exuce me, HitsuOri, but I do not see you point. You keep stating that Ichigo never referd to Ishida and Chad as "our friend" but I don't get what does it have to do with him rescuing Inoue. He said "Inoue is our friend, we have to rescue her", and then when Chad and Ishida appeared, he wants to go by himself (ego anyone? He did swore that he will protect her, and failed miserably, TWICE), and there is also the point that he still thinks Chad is too weak to be of any help (he doesn't want any of his friends hurt, we all know that), but when Chad shows him his newfound power (and he evidentaly realises Ishida has regained his powers), he agrees to take them along, because now they can be of help.

I see not how does Ichigo's reference to Inoue as "our friend" linked to Ishida and Chad.

[sheetz]

Well you did say that 'Inoue is our friend' (Ichigo's, Chad's AND Ishida's), and Ichigo was defiant enough to rebel Yamamoto's orders to want to save Inoue himself(singular....not plural).
Would you restate your position again in the light of manga chapter 239??

First of all, I haven't yet commented on chapter 239 in any of the discussion threads because we have only been given a flimsy summary and I do not like leaping to conclusions before having read the script, preferably with the RAW.

Second, my original position, which was that Ichigo was probably referring to Inoue's being a friend to those in the real world, still stands, regardless of what happens in 239. As we know, Ichigo sees himself as the strongest of his group and something of a leader among them. So his declaring her to be their friend and then volunteering to go rescue her himself would be expected, particularly when it would undoubtedly be a suicide mission. By the end of 239, however, Ichigo does seem fine with their coming along after seeing Chad's increase in strength as well as learning of Ishida's apparent recovery.

[HitsuOri]

Undying......you don't read my posts....do you??

Let me post up what someone said in the general forum......

Hmm. I'm late. I'm sorry voldy had to put a foot into the debate that has gone wrong between me and HitsuOri. Hmm. It has been almost a month too. Anyway I hope it's not too late to say sorry for my outburst in my last post. Looking back, I was indeed angry. :D But now, I'm not anymore.

Oh. And of course Ichigo's feelings for Orihime is nothing more than those of a friend.

Latest Chapter 238

:D Just had to say that.

manga chapter 238 said.....'Inoue's our friend; I'll go and save her myself'.

Knowing how biased her views are......she overlooked the word 'our' and thought Ichigo was saying 'Inoue is MY FRIEND'.

We just had a discussion on why Ichigo used 'our friend' and then 'save her myself'.



Please use the search engine.

[sheetz]

Hitsuori, I would ask you to please not bring other forum members into the argument without their being here to defend themselves. (This really isn't a place for those type of arguments, anyway.) If you are referencing a particular post elsewhere on the forum you can point out its location to us.

[Undying]

Hitsu, honestly...
1. Search engine only finds me threads, not posts. Since I had no idea someone posted that post you've quoted, I had no way to find it.
2. I do read your posts. And since it was far to ambigous for me to understand, I asked you what you mean.
There was no need for you to try and insult me Hitsu, it doesn't work that way.

[HitsuOri]

Hitsu, honestly...
1. Search engine only finds me threads, not posts. Since I had no idea someone posted that post you've quoted, I had no way to find it.
2. I do read your posts. And since it was far to ambigous for me to understand, I asked you what you mean.
There was no need for you to try and insult me Hitsu, it doesn't work that way.

Do I always sound insulting to you?? There was the word 'please'.....when I ask you to use the 'search engine'. If I really sound insulting, I would go.....you Undying, you b@st@rd, lazy %&*##!! (all the colourful words that I have never heard would come out from my mouth).....before I tell you what to do.

Click on my profile....and see the many posts that I posted under this fanclub(IchiOri). It was just one of the discussions I had with sheetz......I don't intend to repeat myself again and again......you did try to provide another alternative to the discussion we had.....

@sheetz
Would you like me to edit and delete her name?? After all....within the contents itself, you and I and others would easily guess who this girl is.

It's a very 'important fact' that a lot of IchiRuki fans want to strut it around.....

[sheetz]

cussion we had.....
@sheetz
Would you like me to edit and delete her name?? After all....within the contents itself, you and I and others would easily guess who this girl is.
It's a very 'important fact' that a lot of IchiRuki fans want to strut it around.....

In this case it may not have been necessary to make a direct quotation, but rather say that "some fans believe Ichigo was declaring Inoue to be his friend/comrade." In other cases it's more than adequate to provide the relevant text in quotation marks and/or a link.

BTW, even if Ichigo did say "my friend" instead of "our friend" I don't think it means much because that is his official relationship with her. He has no right to say that she is anything else to him at this time.

[Undying]

Hitsu, Hitsu, Hitsu... don't play dumber than you are. There is direct insulting, e.g. "YOU FUCKING BASTARD I OWN YOUR MOMMA", and there is indirect insulting, such as your post. The tone of writing can change using certain marks and words, and I find indirect insulting to my intelectual level far worse than if you had used those colorful words.

But I'm very uninterested in this stupiak discussion. What I want to knowi s what were you talking about in that post regarding Ichigo's statement of "Inoue is our friend" and what does it have to do with Chad and Ishida. You post was too ambigous, therfore I asked; you just had to turn this into a semi-insulting thing.

What I posted was my attemp to understand you post; there was no need for you to say anything but "no that's not what I meant" or "Yeah that's it".

So do explain?

[Ikuto]

when undying gets confused he gets angry...and when hes angry...stuff goes down

[HitsuOri]

Hitsu, Hitsu, Hitsu... don't play dumber than you are. There is direct insulting, e.g. "YOU FUCKING BASTARD I OWN YOUR MOMMA", and there is indirect insulting, such as your post. The tone of writing can change using certain marks and words, and I find indirect insulting to my intelectual level far worse than if you had used those colorful words.
But I'm very uninterested in this stupiak discussion. What I want to knowi s what were you talking about in that post regarding Ichigo's statement of "Inoue is our friend" and what does it have to do with Chad and Ishida. You post was too ambigous, therfore I asked; you just had to turn this into a semi-insulting thing.
What I posted was my attemp to understand you post; there was no need for you to say anything but "no that's not what I meant" or "Yeah that's it".
So do explain?
**knocks Undying's head** You are insulting my intelligence now. And yours also.

[Juuju]

Okay, why are you guys arguing over something that I'm pretty sure is a misunderstanding. Take it to pm if you must but this is ruining the harmony of this FC.

Ichigo rescuing 'Hime... I'm not sure if I like it as it's another rescue arc. But I do sense no matter what happens, this arc will still be very different to the Soul Society. Haha, after this arc, we can say to the IchiRuki fans, "Ichigo risked his life for Orihime as well now, so that must mean he loves her :P"

[AiddonValentine]

Pretty much; if a person uses logic like that than it's bound to bite them in the ass if a situation such as this occurs. Plus Ichigo resolved this on his own instead of moping and being unsure of himself.

[kumagoro_usagi]

Would youguys please explain the "chemistry" between Ichigo and Orihime if there is any at this current time. Some may say Ichigo's quick decision to save Orihime was proof that they are just friends.

[KrungKinGKOn]

hey.......im supporter of this couple.......have you seen chp. 239? did you notice how awful ichigo looks????? XP with the bag under his eyes.......hORRIble.....he looks like he hasnt sleep for three nights in a row or somethin.....????? and thats pretty obvious why, eh? :winking56

[sheetz]

Would youguys please explain the "chemistry" between Ichigo and Orihime if there is any at this current time. Some may say Ichigo's quick decision to save Orihime was proof that they are just friends.

I'm not sure what you mean by "chemistry." Does KT spend frame after frame having them stare at each other saying "Ichigo," "Inoue"? No. But their relationship has been the most constant of all the relationships in Bleach. Even when their relationship has not been part of the main storyline, KT has always made sure to constantly remind the readers that they do care for one another. Orihime's feelings are obvious, but even though we don't know exactly how Ichigo feels for Orihime, but we do know that the feelings that both have expressed for one another have gotten more intense as the story has progressed.

As far as anything being proof of Ichigo's feelings, his decision to go save anyone, either Rukia nor Orihime, is not proof of anything. And anyways, don't forget that they are indeed "just friends" at this point, regardless of how they feel about one another.

[littie_sta]

hey.......im supporter of this couple.......have you seen chp. 239? did you notice how awful ichigo looks????? XP with the bag under his eyes.......hORRIble.....he looks like he hasnt sleep for three nights in a row or somethin.....????? and thats pretty obvious why, eh? :winking56

He has nightmares?? Same or different nightmares??

[hikari_taicho]

Wow, so much drama while I was gone....
Anyone read the new manga chapter? :redbiggri
OMGOSH Ichigo's a jerk!

[kumagoro_usagi]

Not so suprising. He has the hero complex remember?

[Hollow_Man_ct]

*Large Yawn* ......

Hey Guys! been quite the while again, eh? my college papers needed 3 friggin' weeks... was quite awful *tries to not remember*

anyways, to Undying sorry about the project that I had to postpone due to my business regarding college, but am returning on it at 200% power.

its good to see the IchiXOri FC has grown quite the amount while I was gone, as expected of course of the valiant KSH squad ^_^

in the end, me back, and could someone explain this rep power thing??

[HitsuOri]

Would youguys please explain the "chemistry" between Ichigo and Orihime if there is any at this current time. Some may say Ichigo's quick decision to save Orihime was proof that they are just friends.

There are differences between Orihime and Rukia's rescue arc.
Ichigo was very determined to save Orihime.....while for Rukia....let's just say that Orihime had to remind the usual Ichigo Orihime knew......

Ichigo never rejected help from his friends in Rukia's rescue arc. But for Orihime, he refused to go to his friends (Ishida and Chad) to help him or the Vaizards (the opposite side of the arrancars).


I'm going to explain it very, very long.....basing on my own interpretation from pocketmofo, Djudge and Binktopia's translations (I know Bink....is an exaggerated....but at least, mostly, it provides much better clue of emotions and understanding of the story.) together with how I perceived Ichigo from the beginning chapters. Basically from the beginning, he perceived and made himself to be a bad guy. He's a punk, rude and couldn't care less over what his friends think about him. He made it himself, hardening his heart and putting an arm distance away from his friends and family. Tatsuki noticed the change in Ichigo when his mother died and Yuzu complained that Ichigo had grown colder as he grew older (going to high school). But he does have certain principles which he hangs on very much....like being no debtor, standing up and defending the weak, small and young (that shows...when he beat up other punks for 'bullying' the girl ghost...and his big brother must protect the smaller ones). As much as he likes to think himself as someone who doesn't care for others and would react(not respond) if there is an injustice in front of him.....he does care, without he himself knowing it. Like for Orihime....Ichigo finds it bothersome to worry for her....while for Chad's case, he complained about losing sleep for this.

His behaviour towards Orihime is certainly different from Rukia. While here we like to believe that it's because Ichigo has the love(what kind of love is debatable....to me, it's the protective courtly love of a wannabe-knight peasant)...realistically, I would say it's because of the so many things Ichigo had experienced and went through, that affects how Ichigo reacts with Rukia and Orihime being taken away.

In the prequel Ichigo chapter......Ichigo said, there was one thing that was not changing in his life; was his sense of helplessness. He wanted the power to protect people from cruel destiny and then crush the destiny. That's why Ichigo went to save Rukia....was because Rukia changed his life. Not the sense of changing Ichigo to become someone of a better personality (he's still the same b@stard who don't care what the world/society thinks of him, as long as he does what he thinks is right; protecting his family and friends)....but Rukia gave him the power to protect his family, the sense of helplessness that was always there....was no longer there. He was more particular on unpaid debts.

Rukia decided to stay in Soul Society, while Ichigo returned back to his home. From that on....there were a few interaction between Ichigo and his other friends(Ishida, Chad, Tatsuki and Inoue). Of all his schoolmate friends.....Inoue is the friend who interacted with Ichigo most, and the only person that had Ichigo's in his unusual behaviour and personality. He behaves the same with others, but with Inoue......I believe Ichigo's admiration for Inoue, friendship and trust (I am not going to say 'romantic love') grew at that time; the bonds he had with Inoue was very, very close, if compared to Rukia.....enough to warrant him to be a little more carefree and relaxed with Inoue around, to also want to become stronger so that he can protect Inoue. Not sure the reason why Ichigo wanted to protect Inoue, but he stated the desire to want to protect Inoue without fail.

I kinda think Ichigo's relationship evolved from not-so-closed friends, to close friends (Soul Society), then later.....to champion-knight-for-queen.

chapter 238 & 239.....

Should I say that Ichigo was still acting like a 'knight-in-waiting-for-queen' in chapter 238?? The chapter 238's title....'eagle without wings' imply the helplessness and handicapped of an eagle when it's usual wings are taken away....I still believe it's about Ichigo feeling helpless and desperate when the usual things he had taken for granted, was snatched away. Cannot be shinigami friends......or the way to Huenco Mundo.....because it had to be something that Ichigo had all these while, but was taken away all of a sudden, causing Ichigo to be stunned (He's not stunned when his shinigami friends were taken away). chapter 239....was Eagles With Wings.....may had imply that these eagles had wings that enabled them to fly high.....power, strength, confidence, faith, friendship?? That was what the emphasize was all about.....and if you linked it to the 'wing' of the earlier eagle....Inoue was all that is to Ichigo. Inoue helped him to kinda 'conquer the world' by believing in him (faith), making him confident over his powers and strength. I think....this may imply that Inoue is a very important person to him to conquer the world.

I still think that the our in 'Inoue is our friend, I'll save her myself' was actually Ichigo's attempt to persuade/beg Soul Society to just show him how to go to Huenco Mundo. He wasn't referring 'our' to 'Ishida/Chad' because right from the start; he made no attempt to contact them and asked them to help him to save Inoue. I don't think he meant the 'living world/people's friend.....because he's not the kind that care over general opinion of him or Inoue. Or reallythe fate of 1000000 ppl's lives in Aizen's hands.

For Rukia's case.......I'm not trying to be anti-Rukia here....for Rukia's case, he wasn't really putting a stop to his friends from coming in together with him, especially Inoue....whose powers/skills he did not see. Should I say that Rukia was not that important to him to save her alone, all by himself?? I'm tempted to.....but I believe Ichigo at that time.....valued his friends and any kind of help they give. He knew with him alone, without his friends...he's not going to succeed.

Orihime's case was a different case. His enemies are not the ones that he can defeat easily. Yet......he was determined to go and save Inoue....really determined to the point of death.....he would still go. That's why he left a 'thank-you' note to the Vaizards because he was not sure of whether he would come back alive/not. But amazingly, eventhough he had seen how Hirako had pawned Grimmjaw....he wasn't going to go and ask for help from them. That may imply that either he had a lot of pride to not ask the Vaizards to help him save Inoue....or he was determined to save her himself only, without asking other people's help.

Or maybe.........Ichigo's perspective/view is changing? Could it be that with Inoue's disappearance....he now learn how important and precious his friends are now to him.....that he doesn't want anything to happen to them because of him? Which would explain why he was being such a punk to Orihime(pretending that he didn't care whether Orihime disappeared or not) and then to Tatsuki?? And then tell Keigo and Mizuiro not to involve themselves with him, or else they lived to regret it??

If you noticed....Ichigo was acting very lethargic with Oichi and Keigo and Mizuiro around; not himself (it's not Ichigo who brought down Keigo.....it was little Mizuiro who stepped on Keigo's head.....Keigo was trying to cheer Ichigo, but Mizuiro kinda stopped him).....he was down with Inoue's disappearance.....but when Tatsuki confronted him over Orihime's issue.....Ichigo was acting like the insensitive, uncaring b@stard, which was almost like how he behaved after his mother passed away.
If he really was doing it for Tatsuki (protecting Tatsuki from the enemies) he would have acted surprised and pretend to help find Inoue.....to mask the truth.


Would I say there is 'love' in Ichigo when he went to save Rukia in Soul Society?? No.

Would I say there is 'love' in Ichigo in the way he went to save Orihime.
No. I'm not going to(I rather say it's because of friendship) and besides, Inoue's rescue arc hasn't end yet......but we can see that Ichigo was somehow more commited to saving Inoue alone. Plus any ordinary friend of Ichigo....who is not that special to Ichigo......would not make him behave as if that kidnapped friend is not someone important to Ichigo....that he wouldn't care whether he/she never appear anymore

Compare it with other people he rescued before......Keigo, Chad, Ishida.....he was so fired up to want to rescue them, running up and down the stairs.

[Undying]

Phew, loooooooooooooooong. I barely finished it and I'm not so sure I've got everything right, Hitsu. But I'd like to try and point out the flaws in this theory; not to be an ass, just so that when the IchiRuki's come knocking with screams "no their just being friends" they'll find more than the can handle.

The flaw that stood out most to me was the refusal of help from his friends. While you attributed it to the fact he wanted to save Inoue all by himself (be that arrogance or love, that's beside the point), I attribute it to the fact he was trying to protect them. He didn't know they were training and became so much more powerful, because he was busy with his own training, and due to his emoness and general lack of interaction with them since the Arrancar ordeal began.

And so, still believing that Ishida had zero power and Chad was below the power of a failure of an Arrancar, he refused their help, in an attempt to protect them; for as we know, failure in Mundo Hueco means but one thing: death. Once he realized that they were much more powerful than before though, he immediatly accepted their help, perhaps believing that rescuing Inoue will now be easier.

This is actually supported by the name of the chapter, "Winged Eagles", which may refer to the fact that "wings" here refers to power and ability to help (and going by this line of logic the previous chapter, "Eagle Without Wings" refers to Ichigo's inability to rescue Inoue; his inability or lack of possiblit of rescuing a dear one (friend), and that was his "wings", his ability to rescue people. Just like an eagle, that is helpless when its wings are clipped off, so was ichigo helpless because he lacked the power to save Inoue, a friend, so his "wings" were clipped off).

And another thing that supports this is the fact that Ichigo immediatly accepted Chad's and Ishida's help once he realized they both have become much more powerful than before.

During the Soul Society rescue arc, he was very preplexed by his friends' desire to help, and he did not refuse them because (a)he was assured that they will be help by Yoruichi and Urahara, and (b) he didn't know what he was coming up against; he hardly believed that Renji would be any trouble at all. With the Arrancar, however, he knew very well what he was up against,a nd since he didn't know yet that Chad anad Ishida had any chance against the Arrancar he refused them.

Regarding the "Inoue is our friend" statement, it can be easily assumed that he was trying to get some help. Going by the two points above (friends being useless and his own inability to help), this statement was indeed beggining Soul Society for help, because he could not do it alone (he is wingless; he cannot fly i.e. cannot rescue a friend). This has nothing to do with being arrogant, this has tod owith him being wingless.

Therfore, it can be deduced that Ichigo's note of "thank you" to the Vaizards is because he fears they will not help (actually, since they tried to stop him from going to fight Grimmjow... and Hirako allowed it. And since he realized that he is weak, he cannot defy the Vaizards' logic - they would just tell him that he has no chance of defeating the Arrancar to save his friend, and voila he cannot. And yet, since Inoue is a friend, Ichigo simply can't not go. He must, that is the way his mind works) or will stop him. And he can't do that.

Regarding earlier rescues, when Ichigo was going to rescue Rukia, he was all fired up because he had no idea what was he up against, and as they say, ignorance is a bliss. He was all full of hope and thought he will have to problem, but reality typically showed him otherwise. he was able to finally win because he still had a very simple way, he only needed to achieve bankai in order to defeat Byakuya.

He still had no idea that Byakuya wasn't his biggest threat, but luck saved him again, and thanks to Aizen's scheme, he managed to rescue Rukia with inside help. Again, ignorance is a bliss, he didn't even think that his chances were zero without help.

Here, however, he knows very well just how hopeless the situation is. He can ill afford to err, and even so his chances to get in a zero. Getting out is even less probable.

While it can be debated that Ichigo still plows on even on such hopeless situation because he is in love with Inoue or at least feels deep obligation to save her, deeper than to Rukia because he has a special spot in his heart for her (that is actually my belief :p), it can be also said that he is simply holding on to his principle of "I must save all my friend because I can."

This links to the wings point: since Ichigo has the wings, the ability to save Orihime, he must fly, rescue her.

Well, Ichigo's behavior can be interperted in many ways, but personaly I'd like to believe he had more than just obligation leading him; firstly he had no one to cheer him on to do it (as Inoue did in Rukia's rescue arc), second he knows what he is up against and yet goes on, and thirdly I'm a fanboy so screw logic.

[HitsuOri]

The flaw that stood out most to me was the refusal of help from his friends. While you attributed it to the fact he wanted to save Inoue all by himself (be that arrogance or love, that's beside the point), I attribute it to the fact he was trying to protect them. He didn't know they were training and became so much more powerful, because he was busy with his own training, and due to his emoness and general lack of interaction with them since the Arrancar ordeal began.

And so, still believing that Ishida had zero power and Chad was below the power of a failure of an Arrancar, he refused their help, in an attempt to protect them; for as we know, failure in Mundo Hueco means but one thing: death. Once he realized that they were much more powerful than before though, he immediatly accepted their help, perhaps believing that rescuing Inoue will now be easier.
He spent one month with the Vaizards.....he ought to know for himself that the vaizards are certainly at least stronger and better than him in fighting against the arrancars.

And training with them, eating with them and throwing at them the exercise machine would warrant him to be as close with them than with Ishida and Chad(whom he thought them as weak). He would know he stand a better chance at winning the fight with stronger people....than just him with 11-seconds period.

It would be just so easy to attribute it as 'Ichigo is being in love with Inoue', but they forget the 'growing and importance of friendship/bonding...more than boy-girl-relationship'. Inoue may be linked to Ichigo romantically.....but the friendship relationship between the two is just as strong, and perhaps.....may be stronger because it affects them both to want to be strong and to protect.

Inoue's and Ichigo's friendship was mainly about faith and trust(Inoue trusting Ichigo's ability and potential.....just like Ichigo trusting Inoue in her ability to heal, and her incapability to betray them) and liberty (Inoue giving space for Ichigo to do anything he wants/fights.....while Ichigo lets Inoue to tag along because she wants to tag along).

Ichigo and Rukia.....just how many occasions we see Rukia not believing in Ichigo's ability and method of doing things.....and even nearly thought Ichigo wanted to commit suicide?? Some IchiRuki fans just like to see someone controling Ichigo.

Ichigo and Tatsuki......I believe their friendship/relationship was so much more right and so much more wrong. Tatsuki first gave herself all out to Ichigo (being very young and naive.....has it's pros and cons), declaring that they would watch out each other's backs and stand by his side. Ichigo himself took himself from the pack, drawing himself away, causing Tatsuki to feel hurt and lonely....then turned her attention to Inoue.....become her bestfriend and bodyguard. I guess with Inoue's cheerful and optimistic characteristic of believing and trusting her friends easily may have attracted Tatsuki. Earlier people blamed Inoue for Tatsuki's depression (mostly are people who like IchiRuki and dislike Inoue for putting all her attention on Ichigo, not Tatsuki).....but now..... Tatsuki knew that Inoue likes Ichigo very much, but didn't bother herself over Ichigo teen attraction. Tatsuki had trusted Inoue and had enough to be able to let her go away from her.....but for Ichigo....the elements of trust/buddy was not there in Ichigo.

I think for chapter 239.....it was all about Ichigo and 'friendship'...... Tatsuki and Ichigo's friendship mainly.....the looking out for each other's back and to support wasn't really there in IchigoxTatsuki's relationship....which was emphasized by Chad himself.

I do hate Ichigo for all the pains he ignorantly caused over his friends; mainly Tatsuki and Chad (however as of this now.....I hate Rukia more for being fickle-minded, two-faced b/tch).....but at least Ichigo's changing. He is taking the effort to care....though his way of doing it was a wrong one.

Would he revert back to his selfish, b@stard mode.....once Rukia comes back??



On another note.....maybe the reason why Ichigo refused to refer the vaizards for help was because he didn't want Hirako to take advantage over Inoue, after saving her......you know the perverted kind.

[Undying]

Well, here you are being biased because you dislike Ichigo. You claim that he hurts his friends due to "ignorance", while I think that it has more to do with Ichigo being himself; his protective self. He wants to protect his friends, and since he can't tell Tatsuki everything (because he knows she will rush to help Inoue, and will be killed), he acts the cold and ignorant jerk who doesn't care about Orihime to make Tatsuki stay away. The same goes to Urahara when he told Inoue in the face she was useless; he wanted to protect her (and erred badly... the same I believe will happen to Ichigo).

As for Chad, again, the same. He wanted to protect Chad because he realized Chad was incapable of defeating D.Roy; and worse, he feared he will harm Chad, should Ogichi emerge.

Therfore, his supposed uncaring for his friends is more likely his desire to protect them.

But that's beside the point.

He refused help from the Vaizards (or at least never asked for any) because he realizes that he will be stopped or persuaded (and logically, he knows he is the one that is wrong here; he has about as much chance of saving Inoue as he has of surviving against Aizen, which is null) not to go.

But herein I believe lies also the greatest argument against IchiRuki (notice, I've alredy stated that I am not and will not argue against you; I'm just trying to sort through your argument so that people like ileenka who post bold-face lies [just check out her journal, she claims that Ichigo "never thanked Inoue"] will have nothing to say).

Ichigo knows he has no chance of surviving (and that is why he tried to refuse help from Chad and Ishida, he believed that they had no power to defeat even the weakest ofthe Arrancar, let alone the more powerful once, against whon he cannot survive) and yet he plows on with determonation to save Inoue.

I'm not saying that they have romantic feelings towards each other; love isn't neccessarily the driving force here. It may be friendship and care. But still, that proves that Ichigo did not save Rukia because of love, but ebcause of friendship/debt, because he does the same to Inoue (to whom he owes nothing as grand as giving him the power to save people, giving him "wings").

[hikari_taicho]

I agree with Undying..:p

[HitsuOri]

I agree with Undying..:p
Undying is repeating the same thing that I said.....except this.

When the arrancars started to attack........Ichigo went out to meet them(Grimmjaw). Did the vaizards stopped him?? Yes. Was that a successful attempt? No. Do they know Ichigo personally?? Yes......at certain stage they do. They know that Ichigo is a rebel who would do anything he likes without taking into consideration others. Do they know how important Ichigo's friend Inoue is to Ichigo?? They had seen her talking to him.

Would the vaizards help him rescue Orihime, knowing that Orihime's power is similar to Haachi; like a family member to them??

Or are they just going to sit back in the couch and read porn magazines and mangas??

Even if Ichigo goes and meet the Vaizards and thank them personally.....they are not going to dissuade him from rescuing Inoue. They cannot. Ichigo would still go for it anyway.



You don't have to sort out any of my arguements anymore. There is no need to. I was never a total IchiOri supporter anyway. I never liked seeing Ichigo ending up with Orihime.

[AiddonValentine]

then just stop talking and leave people in peace. Particularly, you're not a nice nor intelligent person. you spout all this "too good for" crap and contradict yourself time and again while also playing the victim and judging others by your own, flimsy moral standards. You will also never truly understand Orihime because you don't really get nor respect why she loves Ichigo. You just refuse like some stubborn, ignorant child. Seriously, you sound like nothing more than a stalker at times and are better off just not talking. Go humble yourself through meditation or something because you're in very dire need of it.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

YO YO YO!! please, stop the essay posts, both ya guys are killing me..

@Hitsu, please I have just returned and I see a rather Explicit photo in front of me, Yama-jii and Orihime... WTF!!???? What were you thinking?? sweet sexy orihime with that old fart?? Ugh.. *goes to barf* damn it Hitsu, at least spray his body or something make him look the other way, hide his face or anything.

But I guess that that sig is a sign of protest, no? you are trying to prove that any pair is possible and not necessarily IchigoXOrihime or IchigoXRukia ( even though these are the highest candidates.. ) so it was first ToushirouXOrihime and now YamamotoXOrihime..... first was maybe okay, but now, this is certainly a Fetish! ( I mean from yamamoto's side, don't misunderstand, m'kay? )

@AiddonValentine, No flaming please, Hitsu is intelligent, is not a child and does not need therapy nor meditation. Sometimes Hitsu contradicts thyself but who doesn't? Hitsu is just a bit stubborn ( "Orihime deserves better" thread, I, no, WE busted our fingers trying to convince Hitsu a little bit about IchiOri.. ), so please, even if satan is posting, no flaming.

[kumagoro_usagi]

Hmmm....thabnks for the reply Sheetz. It was your points where rather interesting.

[AiddonValentine]

.....-looks at hollow with dull eyes- it's in your best interest not to try and play 'peacemaker' with me. Just because someone puts long, convoluted posts up that just blather on for pages upon pages is not a sign of intelligence. As far as I'm concerned, it's a sign of stupidity and arrogance. Believe me, I wasn't even close to my definition of flaming there. Because if I did flame, you couldn't imagine the things I'd say. I've grown tired of this arrogant bull-head spouting on and on about how Orihime is too good for Ichigo and insulting the poor boy's beliefs along with insulting a man as great as Kubo-dono when not too long ago he thought the same as kumagoro or anyone else here. Anyone who lacks conviction in my eyes is neither wise nor respectable, especially when they idolize some disgusting lowlife like Aizen. If he doesn't have guts enough to see this through despite what tribulations these two go through or how painful it gets for them, he doesn't have the right to respect as far as I'm concerned. Believe me, anyone who's as arrogant as Hitsu needs to learn what matters and what morals are. Flaming, I'd rather call it honesty. I'm done, especially with this prickish child known as Hitsu who can't understand.

[Juuju]

*_* Why are we turning on ourselves?

[ManjiSTP]

Because it's the internet!

[kumagoro_usagi]

^ True.

Everybody try and calm down.

[Undying]

One warning: I'll report anyone who flames anymore and will close this thread. Period.

[kumagoro_usagi]

Gosh, we don't want that...

I KNOW! Fanfiction will heal us!:)

Slumber:

They had been told it would be unlikely that they'd sleep properly for around 3 months after Ichiro was brought home. The nurse had made it perfectly clear in the hospital and (much to his dislike) Rukia had made sure to draw diagrams to highten that point.

So the first night they placed the baby in his alien-themed cot, everything was already aligned in shifts. Orihime would go first, followed by himself and ecetara.

It was rather tiring process. Each night seemed longer and shorter at the same time, as the baby howled, screeched and basically kept them up till morning. He often felt bad about the fact Orihime had to stay at home (6 months before she could go back to teaching) while he went of for Hollow duty in some nights. Even worse when he had to take the occasional trip to soul society for reports.

By around the 3rd month the crying stopped suddenly. Their appartment remained quiet and while he blinked in suprise Orihime turned to him beaming and with tears in her eyes.

"He's sleeping!" she whispered, "He's actually sleeping."

She didn't say much afterwards as she now drifted of to sleep as well. Slowly sighing he kissed her forhead and tried to get some rest to.

Things went smoothly from then on out. The bags under their eyes disappeared. Karin and Yuzu looked after Ichiro one weekend as they spent sometime in Tokyo for a concert.

He still did not thank Rukia for those diagrams on the refridgerator.

[hikari_taicho]

@Hollow O.o who are you refering to as Satan? lol

@Valentine Omgosh, just cut it out already. It's more irritating to hear you going on about "I'm not flaming, I'm not flaming" than it is for everyone to write these long, drawn out posts. There's enough drama in here already, so just please stop.

[AiddonValentine]

whatever, I usually try to maintain a calm attitude, but I snap whenever someone like Hitsu starts talking about this and that. Believe me, I despise it probably even more than you do because I don't like having my seal undone. Like I said, I'm done with him and I'm better off just ignoring him.

[adorkable]

@usagi: You know I love your work to the MAXXX. :)

[Undying]

The ignore him, Aiddon. I'd hate to see you banned for flaming, Hitsu simply doesn't deserve it.

[kumagoro_usagi]

Thanks Adorkable!

(Undying ignored my fanfiction. <sobs>)

Nice to see things calming down. I can take some drabble requests from you guys if you wish. ^_^

[Undying]

Better check your User CP again, Usagi. Check you reputation. I simply didn't have anythin gintelligent to say about your fic here. I never ignore anything good :).

Oh and BTW I was wondering if you can (a) write some more about Ichigo X Orihime or about Renji X Rukia, and (b) can you give me some advice how to better write IchiOri (and generally other romance fics)? I want to write about it too.

[ManjiSTP]

Better check your User CP again, Usagi. Check you reputation. I simply didn't have anythin gintelligent to say about your fic here. I never ignore anything good :).

Did someone say GINTELLIGENT?

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1779/m0303776601ex1.jpg

:musak:
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Oh and BTW I was wondering if you can (a) write some more about Ichigo X Orihime or about Renji X Rukia

Yes, those two pairings are very good, though I'd actually like to see a Tatsuki x Renji one. Tatsuji? :biggrinlo

[Undying]

Tatsuji's a good idea. I think that when I manage to do something good enough I'll write some about it. But only after kumagoro gives me that advice :).

[kumagoro_usagi]

Hmmmm I don't really like RenjixTatsuki sorry so maybe I'll stick to the RenjixRukia and IchigoxOrihime fanfic? :)

Oh and tips on romance? Try picturing facial expressions and body movements. It usually helps me.

[Undying]

Ok... I'll think about it. I hope my work will impress thee...

[hikari_taicho]

Did someone say GINTELLIGENT?
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1779/m0303776601ex1.jpg
:musak:



LMAO:LOL:

Has Renji even MET Tatsuki??

[adorkable]

Not in the manga. But god knows what the hell is happening in the anime. Maybe they've met there.

What is exactly happening in the anime? :P

Rofl@ gintelligent

[Angel_shikigami]

I made a banner for ya all!!!!1
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l113/Angel_Shikigami/amiyuyIchigoOrihimeHeader.jpg

[adorkable]

Kawaii!
Haha that's really good. :p

[Angel_shikigami]

thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[kumagoro_usagi]

Thanks Angel! That's a really pretty banner.

[hikari_taicho]

Fillers are running rampant in the anime. :LOL:

And no, Renji has not met Tatsuki there either! I am getting a little frustrated with people putting random couples together :p

@Angel Shini >> niiice...

[ManjiSTP]

Well as a member of the Renji x Tatsuki FC, I feel I should defend my (our) case! :)

Just in the same way that people simply having met doesn't mean they would be a good couple, people having not met doesn't mean they wouldn't be a good couple.

Of course, they need to meet sooner or later! But, I mean, most of Ichigo x Rukia fans tend to go merely off how much time they spend together. Frankly, a prison guard and a prisoner spend a lot of time together, and they're not gonna make a good couple!

Who knows, maybe now that Tatsuki is openly showing knowledge of the plot, maybe she'll meet some of the Shinigami.
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By the way, does anyone have the original image of this:
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7027/ichigoxorihimefc1ez0.th.jpg (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ichigoxorihimefc1ez0.jpg)

[Undying]

You know... just as a sidenote, Manji, I don't think they'll ever meet... See Tatsuki has Urahara and others in the Real World to teach her/explain stuff to her, while Renji is long since in Soul Society now... they have like 0% chances of meeting.

But who cares? I mean, Byakuya X Unohana is just as random as this, so go on believing whatever.

[kumagoro_usagi]

ChadxKarin is another pair...but at least it has some basis.

Undying where are you fanfics?

[Kisara]

Renji and Tatsuki never spoke with each other. But she saw him at the beginning of the filler arc. He was together with Ichigo on the floor and all his [Ichigos'] classmates watched this "show". Chizuru squeed... *rolls eyes*

[ManjiSTP]

Actually, until I heard otherwise recently, I was never really under the impression that being a fan of a pairing had the prerequisite of them being likely. I thought it was a sort of "They'd make a nice couple!" sentiment shared by a group of people, rather than "Roll up, roll up, I've got 2 to 1 odds to Ichigo x Orihime!" :p

I mean, if it was down to likeliness of a get-together, then surely we'd all be Ichigo x Rukia fans? And besides, there are pairings that have been identified by KT (like Jinta really fancying Yuzu) but yet will never obviously happen for various reasons (in this case because they appear to be both about 10 or 11).

I don't really like the way that a basis is considered to be them having met and talked about something. I mean, Chad and Karin was just said to have had some basis, but this is a man who, while supposedly 15, looks about 25 and a little girl. Oh, but they've met and seemed to get along! Ring Childline, I think there's going to be a relationship between these two! :p

[Kisara]

I mean, if it was down to likeliness of a get-together, then surely we'd all be Ichigo x Rukia fans?

No. I would never be a fan of this pairing.

[hikari_taicho]

Chad seems to be a very flat character to me. That's why i never really liked him. It seems kinda impossible for him to fall in love with anyone at this point, just because he has a typical, predictable personality. I dunno, maybe I'm oversimplifying or something...Anyway, yes, I agree with Undying in that Byakuya and Unohana are such a random couple as well. If it was the case between those two, then we would've been shown some sort of foreshadowing just like when Inoue stands and admires Kurosaki while he's fighting with Byakuya.
I agree with Kisara. Rukia belongs with Renji, and Inoue belongs with Ichigo. It's just obvious!!
I think it's just as random that people think that Aizen's in love with Unohana which is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

[Zanga]

Jesus, the society of IchiOri's have grown graetly while I was gone. Hey Undying and my other fellow Karakura heroes, how are all ya. And Welcome to the new members.

[Undying]

Yah, Zanga. Where were you?

@kumagoro_usagi: I'm writing them! But it's effing hard when myhead is filled with this:
*manga spoiler
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/SankonGanSou/page160.jpg

[Kisara]

I agree with Kisara. Rukia belongs with Renji, and Inoue belongs with Ichigo. It's just obvious!!

I would not go that far. I'm not saying that those characters belong together but I like to see them as those pairings: Ichigo & Orihime and Renj & Rukia.
And it's certainly not obvious that they belong together. It's just that I like those fandoms...

[Juuju]

Ichigo x Orihime are just ... I can't explain. Truthfully, I don't really see them becoming a couple and become well... couplish. But it's the built-up of their relationship that I really enjoy. Ichigo and Rukia... Zilp nothing. Maybe it's because I don't think Rukia deserves Ichigo (or anyone else :S)

The latest chapter rocks! It seems we're still going to see Orihime in later chapters then ^_^ Her powers are way cool.

[kumagoro_usagi]

Gah. Orihime in this chapter broke my heart. Stuck with all the weirdos. >_>

[Juuju]

She looked so out of place with all the arrancars. Power-crazed Grimm, silent Ulqy and intimidating Aizen. Poor 'Hime. But her powers seem absolutely awesome or 'godly' so to speak.

This chapter is brill. And it also seems that Keigo and Tatsuki's coming along now!

[ManjiSTP]

Well surely if the notion of pairings is based on likeliness of it actually happening in the show, it sort of undermines a lot of the reasoning and imagination? I mean, if you were thinking of pairings for a shoujo show then that'd be one thing, but I can't really imagine anyone actually getting together in Bleach.

I think it will be just loads of lingering stares and sighing, at best. I mean, maybe I'd put my money on Ichigo kissing either Rukia or Orihime at one point, very late on on the series at some sort of climactic he-may-not-survive point... But apart from that, I'd say the only romance we'll get is either for comic relief (like Jinta having a crush on Yuzu) or brief implied things like Ishida and the Bounto lady.

On that topic, again, if the point was the certainty of the pairing admitting it/getting together, then we'd all be Isshin x Masaki fans or Ishida x Bounto lady fans. Or, as I said before, Ichigo x Rukia - no matter how much you dislike the pairing (I'm not a fan myself) it is the one that both the manga and the anime focus on most, from Ichigo's point of view particularly. Ichigo x Orihime has always been from her point of view and while I think that Ichigo could/would return the sentiments, he hasn't shown her any more affection so far than Rukia, Tatsuki or even Chad and therefore even this pairing is fantasy too, no matter how good a couple they would make.

P.S.The reason people like Unohana x Byakuya, I would assume, is that they both have the Feudal Japanese gentry feel to them, like a lord and lady of their country manor, sitting in the Zen garden watching the moon and other such things. And even though they may have not met on-screen, I think it's a pretty safe bet that they have met at some point "off camera", so to speak.

She looked so out of place with all the arrancars. Power-crazed Grimm, silent Ulqy and intimidating Aizen. Poor 'Hime. But her powers seem absolutely awesome or 'godly' so to speak.

This chapter is brill. And it also seems that Keigo and Tatsuki's coming along now!

Yes, ch240 and 239 have been really great! Orihime is being brought into the limelight, for the first time since perhaps her brother returned as a Hollow. Then we have the possible inclusion of Tatsuki as more of a main character. It's a real counterpoint to the total disinterest I'm feeling towards the tired old filler arc.

[Baby-Pie]

hey i think ichigo and orihime wud make the cutest couple in bleach:biggrinlo .....can i join????

[ManjiSTP]

I don't have any authority... But you surely can. You just need to wait for the owner to add you to the list. :)

[Undying]

Of course you can join, *Ririn*! All IchiOri fans are welcomed here, and all you have to do is enjoy yourself!

[Kisara]

I'm not sure if my personal liking for the pairings Ichigo&Orihime and Renji&Rukia makes me blind for all those moments between Ichigo and Rukia. Until now I thought that I'm quite open for all this. But right from the beginning of Bleach I never saw something romanticaly between Ichigo and Rukia. Sure... when Rukia left his home and was running away, and Ichigo was running after her... the whole good-bye scene... but I thought at that point that Rukia was just sad because she had to leave all her new friends... allright... a small voice in my head said also that she was really sad because she had to leave Ichigo behind. I'm not all gainst this pairing... but they just don't act like a couple... never! Between Ichigo and Orihime it's different... *sighs*

My lack of english knowledge. >_<" I'm no good xDDD"

Ahhh~~~... ri~~~~~~ght. A new member! Welcome!!! ^-^


EDIT: Today was a really boring day [like the past three weeks *coughs*] and I made a wallpaper. Anybody familiar with Shinjo Mayus' Love Celeb?
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2292/week04wallpaper01sg1.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=week04wallpaper01sg1.jpg)

[Juuju]

Even though I've no idea what in the world Shinjo Mayus' Love Celeb is, the wallpaper is very cool :D

I didn't really like last chapter, felt it was too sudden that Ishida and Chad just turned up from nowhere. But this chapter was amazing to the extreme. I'm also chuffed that I correctly predicted, albeit in a jokey way, that Keigo and Mizuire (whatever his name is) would also become involved as well as Tatsuki.

It's true that we haven't seen any romance from Ichigo towards Orihime or Rukia, but that just makes waiting for it to happen even more exciting. Hehe.

[Kisara]

It's true that we haven't seen any romance from Ichigo towards Orihime or Rukia, but that just makes waiting for it to happen even more exciting. Hehe.

It was always about protecting those dear to him. ^-^

[Undying]

Always. It is always about protection. Or is it? Because regardless of which pairing do you prefer, any of them might be simply because Ichigo is overly typical when it comes to protection.

If only he was like Kyo from Samurai Deeper Kyo... where it was simply obvious whom does Kyo love. Gah.

[Juuju]

It's that blond woman in Kyo isn't it? I only read a few chapter and absolutely hated that woman (main reason I stopped). I read somewhere that both the main guy and Kyo fell in love with her... bah. Orihime is one of the only girls in manga that are likeable.

All protagonists in shoujo anime are protective... I can't really think of one that isn't. It's something to do with male ego and how men needs to be seen as the powerful one and the woman needing his help. Typical knight and damsel in distress kind of thing. In real life though, girls are just as protective of the ones they love, I know I am ^-^.

Another reason why Orihime is so great for Ichigo!! It's about equality in relationships.

[Kisara]

In real life though, girls are just as protective of the ones they love, I know I am ^-^.

That's one reason for me to adore you. ^-^

[Undying]

Yeah, Yuya. And personaly I never liked her too, she's annoying (kind of like Rukia, but nobody can match up to Rukia. No one).

But at the least, there wasn't much debating whom does Kyo (who is the main protagonist) love. Here on the other hand... meh.

Oh and Juuju:I am jealus at your boyfriend.

[ManjiSTP]

I think one of the more obvious Rukia x Ichigo bits was when everyone was asking Rukia if she loves Ichigo or not, and she spits her drink out. Then, in a very odd way, says "We're just friends."

But apart from the odd bits like that, there isn't much to go on apart from a personal opinion that they go well together.

[Undying]

Well... we have confirmed that Orihime loves Ichigo (she confirmed it... *lol*). But when he was asked whether or not he loves her (by Hirako) he had a shyness attack and went like "it's nothing like that!" in an odd way.

But when he was asked whether he was acting out of love to save Rukia (by Ganju) he merely said "I owe her!". There was nothing flustered about his reply.

I'm not saying this is the ultimate proof he loves either. But, since we were talking about odd respones...

[suzuka]

hi, can I join ?

[kumagoro_usagi]

Of course you can! :) Why do like Ichi/Ori

(btw, interesting discussion you have here guys)

[Juuju]

suzuka, welcome! We're a pleasant enough bunch so make yourself at home. Unfortunately, Duo-Xun's absence means that you can't be added to the list (I'm not on there either T_T). Does anyone know why?

Kisara: I'm sure you're like that too (hoping you're a girl)! It's a human feeling... right?

Undying: I've never had a boyfriend actually. I kind of liked this one guy for 5 years so... :confused: And dating looks like a lot of hassle.

[Kisara]

Kisara: I'm sure you're like that too (hoping you're a girl)! It's a human feeling... right?

I'm a girl and I hope you're right. ^-^

[kumagoro_usagi]

Juuju, How did your GCSE's go? I forgot to ask!

[hoshi-p]

I'd like to join and show my support for this couple! ^_^

[Kisara]

Hello and Welcome to this FC. ^-^

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37480478/?offset=25
Nyahahaha... awesome coloring, right? *-*

[Undying]

Nyaa, anyone here knows who are the members who aren't on the list? I'll add you...

Oh and btw, is there anyone here who would like to become the owner in place of the absent Duo-Xun?

P.S. Anyone here for an IchiOri fanfic writing contest?
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Juuju: you never had a boy friend? O_o.. the reverse of my situation, I've never had a girlfriend :(.

[ManjiSTP]

I think when it comes to people on the internet, you can often take that much for granted, Undying. It applies to me too, though I had a quite weird relationship of sorts for about 2 years. ~_~

[Juuju]

Undying, we're so unloved... Lol nah, I'm just trying to get through life atm without worrying about relationships. Oh and kumagoro_usagi, I got 9 A*s and 2 As so yeah, I'm happy happy happy!

I would offer to be owner of this FC but once school starts, my time will be very very limited. Didn't the owner of Orihime FC also disappear... Very suspicious....

[suzuka]

Thanks for the welcome,
I like this couple since the moment, when orihime was bumping into ichigo. This was so cute, especially when she was starting to bubble strange things, because she was so nervous :biggrinlo . Furthermore doesn't she deserve some happiness in her life too? Hey look at this girl she has nearly nobody in her life even her beloved brother died.
Btw. I have a question, why do so many people believe that ichigo and rukia are meant for each other? I mean what kind of relationship this would be, in which everybody is shouting at each other?
And hey guys, don’t be depressed, you will find the right one in time, besides sometimes it's better to be alone.
(sorry for my bad English :( )

[Undying]

First and foremost, I forgot to welcome you, suzuka! So welcome!
like this couple since the moment, when orihime was bumping into ichigo. This was so cute, especially when she was starting to bubble strange things, because she was so nervous . Furthermore doesn't she deserve some happiness in her life too? Hey look at this girl she has nearly nobody in her life even her beloved brother died.
Ah, so true... one of the reasons why I think they are meant for each other.
Btw. I have a question, why do so many people believe that ichigo and rukia are meant for each other? I mean what kind of relationship this would be, in which everybody is shouting at each other?
We're asking the same question for years now... still no answer that I know of.
And hey guys, don’t be depressed, you will find the right one in time, besides sometimes it's better to be alone.
We (at least I), know, but it's still fun to sometimes play emo in a joking manner (we're so unloved :( :D).
(sorry for my bad English )
Not a prtoblem, the only type of english we cannot deal with is |337 because it's impossible to read. Anything else, we can decipher. \^_^/

So what about it people? IchiOri fanfics/whatever else IchiOri related contests?

[kumagoro_usagi]

Oh and kumagoro_usagi, I got 9 A*s and 2 As so yeah, I'm happy happy happy!

Bloody hell. Next thing you're going to tell me you'll apply to Oxford. Congrats!:) (I only got 1 A 8 B's last year :))

So what about it people? IchiOri fanfics/whatever el