Sasuke vs. Sasori

[ninjabot]

Ok. Current manga version of Sasuke vs. Sasori. Because we never came to the conclusion that Genjutsu is or isn't effective against Sasori, we'll go ahead and take Genjutsu from Sasuke's repertoire. Everything else at his disposal is OK. Who wins this one-on-one fight to the death?

[James Cizuz]

Someone without ginjutsu beat Sasori. Well 2 people really. Thing is sasukes genjutsu is about the least thing he uses, he relies mostly on his strength techniques, and other such stuff.

Sasuke is much stronger then sakura, and the old granny. So should we even be debating this?

[Seff vi Britannia]

3rd Kazekage = Death.
RST = Death.
Poison = Death.

Sasuke is dead. You really think a Shinobi who took down an entire nation by himself would loose to Sasuke?

[JimmyTbh]

I think Sasori is underestimated because he lost that fight with Sakura. She struggled and in the end Sasori left himself open on purpose apparently :P. I would put him on Par with Orchimaru, But still I believe Sasuke would have this 1.

[Jay3205]

Sasuke is too fast for Naruto to react to, and Naruto is not much slower than Sasori. Seeing as how physical attacks don't really work against Sharingan users, Sasuke has this.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Sasuke is too fast for Naruto to react to, and Naruto is not much slower than Sasori.

You got that from... where?

Seeing as how physical attacks don't really work against Sharingan users, Sasuke has this.

Poison =/= Physical attacks.
Third kazekage sand =/= Physical attacks.
Sharingan can only help you so much when your opponents number in the hundreds.

[ninjabot]

He got it from...here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/307/14/

...and here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/230/08/

Actually, Sharingan works just fine when your opponents number in the 100's...proven here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/175/11-12/ Not to mention that having a 5 meter long lightsaber that cuts through anything would work wonders against a large crowd.

And wood isn't the most unflammable substance. Infact, I see Sasuke charring them all in a hail of flame quite handily. Assuming Sasori lasts long enough to summon his hundred puppets. If he's starting the fight in Hiruko, his already inferior speed would seal the deal. As for the final form, I'm willing to bet that Satetsu is a Doton. Doton and Chidori don't mix.

[KholdStare]

Someone without ginjutsu beat Sasori. Well 2 people really. Thing is sasukes genjutsu is about the least thing he uses, he relies mostly on his strength techniques, and other such stuff.

Sasuke is much stronger then sakura, and the old granny. So should we even be debating this?

The scenario was completely different. Even though the granny was not as powerful as Sasuke, she was very well versed in the jutsu that Sasori used.

Sasuke barely beat Deidara and Deidara was Sasori's subordinate. Sasori was actually one of the few ninja that Deidara seemed to show some level of respect for.

[Seff vi Britannia]

@ Ninja, clearly, i meant the Naruto/Sasori comparison. And there isn't any comparison between Naruto's speed and Sasori's speed at all.

[ninjabot]

Not as clear as you might think. There were 2 statements in that sentence. The first one being "Sasuke is too fast for Naruto to react to." The second being "Naruto isn't that much slower than Sasori." Judging by your rabid Sasuke hatred, of course I'm gonna assume that's the one you were complaining about.

Well, he was comparing feats made by both characters. The best super fast feats we have for Naruto is when he's fighting Sasuke, and since this is the current manga characters, we know for a fact that Sasuke is faster, evidenced by my second link. Compare that speed to the stuff we've seen Sasori pull off.

[Night Prowler]

Sasuke uses genjutsu and then uses Chidori straight through him.

[Zanga]

Can't use genjutsu on a puppet. No brain to fool.

But Sasuke has this. Chidori light saber right through all of his puppets.

[VIDTID]

No competition :S Sasuke takes the win easy! Hed pwn sasori with one swipe of his sword^^

[Jeggo]

Sasori solo-ed a Nation. gg?

[Jay3205]

Beating a nation is certainly a great feat, but that doesn't mean he can beat the people who didn't destroy a nation. The fact that two people could take him down shows that his power wasn't the end all be all. More than likely, the nation he destroyed wasn't like Konoha, where it had a powerful hokage and every other family was a genius family.

Sasuke before absorbing Orochimaru could solo dozens of Jounin at a time just for practice, so he's no slouch either.

[James Cizuz]

Beating a nation? So what? It never said what nation, how many people in that nation, highest ranking people etc.

Fact is, sakura and an old lady kill sasori. Sasori would of been killed by orchimaru, if sakura never killed sasori. It still stands to reason though, sasuke killed orchimaru with little to no effort, weakened or not.

[Jeggo]

Beating a nation? So what? It never said what nation, how many people in that nation, highest ranking people etc.

Fact is, sakura and an old lady kill sasori. Sasori would of been killed by orchimaru, if sakura never killed sasori. It still stands to reason though, sasuke killed orchimaru with little to no effort, weakened or not.

Orochimaru wouldnt even get close to killing Sasori. gg.

[D3v]

Sharingan + chidori + super speed > Sasori + puppets + poison

Lets consider some facts:

1. Poison won't come into the picture unless someone can actually manage to strike sauke, which isn't likely to happen against a sharingan user who is extraordinarily fast. Same will happen when all those puppets are thrown into the picture.

2. Iron Sand's attacks are only a form of physical attacks as shown in the battle with Sakura+granny, so I don't see how they will change the outcome.

3. When Sasori's final form can be easily matched and hit at by someone like Sasuka, its pretty clear how useless it will be against Sasuke.

Don't get me wrong, I think Sasori is way more stronger than people give him credit for considering how everyone goes "omg two wimmin defeated him", but when all is said and done, he still comes short if fighting against a high level sharingan user.

[captainmawaluigi]

No. Sasori wins this match. Once again, its matchups, you guys give Sasuke way to much credit, allow me to show you without fail, 7 reasons why Sasuke would lose.

1. Genjutsu is useless on Sasori, and Sasuke used genjutsu a lot in part two.



2. Chidori is useless on him unless he hits the exact right place, and getting that close to Sasori is suicide.

If you are saying the chidori current has paralyzed Yammoto and Oro thats cool, they are humans made up mostly of water, Sasori is not. His puppets are wooden, and wood is not a good conductor of electricity.

3. Sasuke never fought a puppet master before or even seen one fight, so he has zero experience to call from.

In the prelims, he was attended to by kakashi. Even then, all of Sasoris puppets are unique. The sharingan can predict body movements by muscle tension or chakra, the puppets have neither, only chakra strings. And even if Sasuke could predict their movements, he is unable to move like a puppet...because he cant.

Sasori on the other hand, knows how the sharingan works and can counter it if needed. His grama knows how and Im sure she taught him, along with working with Itachi...he knows the Sharingan and Sasuke doesnt know puppets...period.

4. No antidote.

If you want to be bitter and say he wont need one, because he is uber fast, thats silly. He has never got into a fight where he wasnt touched. The Itachi shadow clone was not a fight, it was to measure his ability.

5. Group battles > Sharingan.

If you want to say Itachi beat Kakashi, Asuma, and Kurenai at once, you would be wrong. He had Kisame with him, and he only hurt kakashi, who can be affected by genjutsu. What would sasuke do with 100 bodies fighting him at once?

6. He has no multiple-target attacks.

Kirin is a single target attack that takes time to charge up, time Sasori would not give him.

7. Kirin is useless because destroying Sasori's body is pointless.

IF he did have time, I am sure the iron sand attack would also be ready by now, and Sasori would use the iron as a lightening rod...thus not getting hit.

[ninjabot]

Umm...no. See, the thing about Sasori's puppets is that they can be harmed by regular taijutsu and metal weapons because they're plain old wood. Chidori cuts through practically anything, and the Kusanagi cuts through anything, literally...so I don't see any puppets enduring a blow from a Chidori or the Kusanagi. Or a Chidori charged weapon for that matter.

As for fighting a kugutsu specialist, the Sharingan sees chakra. Puppets are manipulated by chakra strings. Sasuke needs only to watch the puppet the same way that he would a human and, thanks to the tell-tale strings, he would know exactly what movement the puppet would make, same as when watching a human. Come to think of it, watching Sasori's hands would allow him to see when a puppets movements were about to come, giving him ample time to counter. Let's not forget that he would instantly know Sasori's weakspot because of the mass of chakra in his chest. He'd see that it was the source of all of his strings and create a strategy to neutrilize it.

Likewise, the antidote is only needed if Sasuke is actually hit by a puppet or weapon from Sasori. You've no proof that Sasuke will be the first to take a blow in the fight, and I know for a fact Sasuke only needs one blow to connect inorder to win (hit his chest container, and it's over).

Group battles > Sharingan. Sasuke>Groups. Proof? How about the 1000 nin he defeated by himself without a scratch, or the hundreds of Naruto's clones he's had to dispatch? Sure, the puppets have poison, but again, they'll never get closer than 5 meters thanks to Chidori Sword. And he deflected hundreds of shuriken at point blank range from Itachi with shuriken of his own, so defending against poisonous needles or kunai is totally do-able.

No multiple opponent attacks? None? What about Chidori Nagashi? Gouryuuka? Chidori Sword? Giant snakes (except Manda)? Sure he doesn't have the chakra to keep up the assault, but he doesn't need to. He just needs crowd control until he reaches the real Sasori, then it's game over.

As for Kirin, I don't see Sasuke taking the time to use it, but if the heat gained from immolating half Sasori's puppet army with Gouryuuka is enough to prepare it, then Sasuke's set. Remember, the Iron Sand jutsu is still doton, and doton is weak against raiton. Kirin will plow right through it and annihilate Sasori and any left over puppets.

Come to think of it, this was made back when Sasuke still had Oro's powers, so I'm trying not to take MS into account, but even with a handicap, Sasuke still takes it.

[captainmawaluigi]

Ok his sword could cut a puppet or two...how will he fight....100? He doesnt have the chakra to sustain chidori that many times in a day before he runs out.

So what if he sees the chakra strings from his hand? He still has to detect which puppet that is controlling and what part of the body its connected to, and then react accordingly. again, that sharingan is nice against one opponent, but 500+ strings?(assuming each puppet has 5 strings) that is a bit much to counter act.

Also, Sasuke would need to do more than just hit the right Sasori, he would have to kill him without fail, whats to stop Sasori from simply transferring his heart, or having fake chakra plugs in other dolls.....


Any snake he brings out, will be poisoned in an instant. Sasori can also use poison gas or attacks that blow out gas when deflected. So not only will he have to fight without getting scratched, he will have to hold his breathe all the while....Sasori could just put a poison mist cloud around himself...thus preventing the use of the sharingans sight, or any close ranged attacks. Face it, this is sasukes weakness.

[First_Vizard]

In reality, Sasuke is not nearly as strong as most people believe he is. He was no match for an ill Itachi who had no intention of killing him to begin with. Itachi died from his illness, not from Sasuke.

Also, we did see Sasori being killed by an old hag and a little girl. But he let himself get killed, Chiyo even admitted that he could have dodged her final attack if he wanted to. Sasori is much stronger than people believe, I mean, he did kill the third Kazekage.

Overall close but I would say Sasori would win.

[Capt Kenpachi]

How do you propose that Sasuke removes the poison? the only reason that Sakura and the old lady survived was because sakura had managed to make an antidote for the poison before the fight.

[ninjabot]

The best anti-poison is not getting poisoned in the first place. Sasuke+Being faster than Sasori=No poison.

Also we forgot that Sasori's puppets aren't normal puppets: they're made from the bodies of his human victims. They also keep the chakra and jutsu they had prior to being turned into puppets. What's this mean?

That seeing their movements based on their chakra via the Sharingan is totally possible. They're as readable as any human's movements. Well, maybe not that much sense they don't have muscles that tense up, and that's part of the Sharingan's perceptive ability (reading muscles to guage what action the person will take). He can still trace them though as he can see their chakra.

[Jeggo]

The best anti-poison is not getting poisoned in the first place. Sasuke+Being faster than Sasori=No poison.

Also we forgot that Sasori's puppets aren't normal puppets: they're made from the bodies of his human victims. They also keep the chakra and jutsu they had prior to being turned into puppets. What's this mean?

That seeing their movements based on their chakra via the Sharingan is totally possible. They're as readable as any human's movements. Well, maybe not that much sense they don't have muscles that tense up, and that's part of the Sharingan's perceptive ability (reading muscles to guage what action the person will take). He can still trace them though as he can see their chakra.

:< Do you honestly believe he could defend from 100 opponents? Those aren't Naruto's Kage-Bunshin. >.>

[Gundam]

I would have to say Sasuke would win.
With his new strength and speed he could beat
Sasori. Plus with his Mangekyou Sharingan he practically
wins the match.

[Jeggo]

I would have to say Sasuke would win.
With his new strength and speed he could beat
Sasori. Plus with his Mangekyou Sharingan he practically
wins the match.

Naruto can kick the asses of Madara & Pain together. With his new strength and speed he could pawn them. Plus with his Kange Bunshins he practically wins the match.

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That's what you said. You just changed the names & the ability.

Explain how you think the fight would go please, 'cause saying "X character is fast and uber and pwns 'cause of his X" is trolling.

[ninjabot]

I coulda swore I already explained how Sasuke deals with 100 puppets...the exact same way he dealt with 1000 non-KB ninja here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/342/17-18/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/343/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/343/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/343/04-05/ (waaaaay more than a hundred.)

Dispatched without a single scratch on him, and doneso without killing them, meaning he excersised pin-point accuracy to avoid fatal blows while in the heat of battle. Likewise, he actually wants to destroy Sasori's puppets, making his job that much easier. It can be done, especially with Chidori Sword.

Those puppets won't get closer than 5 meters before being chopped to pieces.

[Jeggo]

I coulda swore I already explained how Sasuke deals with 100 puppets...the exact same way he dealt with 1000 non-KB ninja here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/342/17-18/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/343/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/343/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/343/04-05/ (waaaaay more than a hundred.)

Dispatched without a single scratch on him, and doneso without killing them, meaning he excersised pin-point accuracy to avoid fatal blows while in the heat of battle. Likewise, he actually wants to destroy Sasori's puppets, making his job that much easier. It can be done, especially with Chidori Sword.

Those puppets won't get closer than 5 meters before being chopped to pieces.

Those were fodder. Much how like Sasori's puppet defeated a nation which is like a 10000 trained soldiers at least. >.>

(10000 is *really* a small number. If we were realistic it would be more like 100000)

This doesn't show how Sasuke would had faired if he fought *decent* opponents.

[ninjabot]

How are any of those puppets decent opponents if Sakura could one-shot every one of them that she struck? And she's definately, DEFINATELY not as fast as Sasuke. So not only are they slower than Sasuke, but they haven't the durability to survive any of Sasuke's mid to long range attacks, or his Chidori, or lightning enfused weapons.

And fodder or not, overwhelming numbers make up for lack of stopping power. Add that to the fact that an Uchiha's weakness is supposed to be multiple opponents and Sasuke's feat against the "fodder" becomes more and more outstanding.

But let's stop assuming that Sasuke allows Sasori to summon 100 puppets. Considering it's his final trump card and Sasuke will have figured out Sasori's weakness the moment he sees Sasori's final form, it's as simple as getting within striking range. Easily done when you outpace your foe by a rediculous margin.

[Jeggo]

How are any of those puppets decent opponents if Sakura could one-shot every one of them that she struck? And she's definately, DEFINATELY not as fast as Sasuke. So not only are they slower than Sasuke, but they haven't the durability to survive any of Sasuke's mid to long range attacks, or his Chidori, or lightning enfused weapons.

And fodder or not, overwhelming numbers make up for lack of stopping power. Add that to the fact that an Uchiha's weakness is supposed to be multiple opponents and Sasuke's feat against the "fodder" becomes more and more outstanding.

But let's stop assuming that Sasuke allows Sasori to summon 100 puppets. Considering it's his final trump card and Sasuke will have figured out Sasori's weakness the moment he sees Sasori's final form, it's as simple as getting within striking range. Easily done when you outpace your foe by a rediculous margin.

Sakura, much like Tsunade, can inflict a *huge* ammount of damage with one of blows. Kakashi said, "I'm screwed if I'm hit by that" back in the first episodes of Shippudden when he was dueling against Naruto and her.

She was dodging them 'cause Chiyo (who in fact was a master in Sasori's techniques and knew most of his tricks) was controlling her.

How many Chidori's could Sasuke manage to do before he got exhausted?

And honestly, if Sasuke automatically 'figures Sasori's weakness' then so does Sasori summon his puppets the moment he see's him cause umm.. he is dangerous.

[ninjabot]

Every Akatsuki is dangerous. Deidara was dangerous. The Sound 5 were dangerous. None of the aforementioned are invincible. Also, the movements Sakura were making with Chiyo's help weren't nearly as fast as anything we've seen Sasuke perform. And she wasn't controlling Sakura when the 100 puppets were out anyway. Didn't change the fact that she, the slowest of the original team 7, could still use hand-to-hand combat against all of Sasori's puppets that she attempted to fight.

Sasuke doesn't need the same physical strength as Sakura when he has a sword that can't be blocked without chakra enfused weaponry. Add that to their inferior speed and Sasuke is perfectly fine without even resorting to a regular Chidori.

And no, Sasuke doesn't automatically know Sasori's weakness. He learns it simply by looking at him, the same as he did with Deidara. He watches, learns, then acts. If you can see chakra, and you realise your opponent is a living puppet, then it's logical to expect him to have a power source somewhere that allows him to move. When he looks at Sasori he won't see a human body with chakra throughout it's whole being. Instead he'll see one huge ball of chakra in his chest. The source of his power. That's how he knows what his weakness is. It'd be like a flashing light blinking continuously, saying: "Insert Sword Here".

[Capt Kenpachi]

How are any of those puppets decent opponents if Sakura could one-shot every one of them that she struck? And she's definately, DEFINATELY not as fast as Sasuke. So not only are they slower than Sasuke, but they haven't the durability to survive any of Sasuke's mid to long range attacks, or his Chidori, or lightning enfused weapons.

And fodder or not, overwhelming numbers make up for lack of stopping power. Add that to the fact that an Uchiha's weakness is supposed to be multiple opponents and Sasuke's feat against the "fodder" becomes more and more outstanding.

But let's stop assuming that Sasuke allows Sasori to summon 100 puppets. Considering it's his final trump card and Sasuke will have figured out Sasori's weakness the moment he sees Sasori's final form, it's as simple as getting within striking range. Easily done when you outpace your foe by a rediculous margin.

Sakura can one shot anyone if she can hit them. Yes Sasuke would die if Sakura hit him (not that she can)


The Sound 5 were dangerous
Dangerous my ass. They were all killed by genin. And they are/were not Akatsuki. They were sound and they started to work for Oro after he started the sound village after he left Akatsuki.

[ninjabot]

I didn't say the Sound 5 were Akatsuki. I was just naming several "dangerous" enemies back to back who, despite their titles, got pwned to the fullest. Titles mean nothing. It's the feats that the entitled person pulls off that should impress. And even then, that's not enough to go on.

Kakuzu defeated Shodaime, but lost to a retard after said retard's friends softened him up by killing several hearts beforehand.

[Capt Kenpachi]

and Shodaime defeated Madara, does that mean Kakuzo can? NO!! So why are you using the logic that since Sasuke can beat Sakura that he can beat Sasori?

[ninjabot]

No, I'm not. How'd you even get that from...nevermind.

I'm not using that kind of logic for the Sasuke>>>>>Sakura comparison. I'm comparing speed, not skill or strength. Sasuke is faster than Sakura (with Chiyo's help), so he's faster than puppets that are equal/slower than herself (with Chiyo's help). If you're talking about my Feats>Titles statement, then you're going too much into it. I was saying that Sasori's title as a dangerous S-rank Akatsuki member means nothing when he's fighting a person who has shown too many advantages over his particular fighting style.

Naruto beat Kakuzu despite Kakuzu's title as an uber experienced uber powerful S-rank ninja. All I'm saying is, pay attention to what each ninja has shown their capable of doing. Then compare them.

[RedApostasy]

Much agreed with ninjabot.

Sasuke with his Sharingan will be able to see the threads of all the puppets and with his vastly superior speed be able to avoid them. Like it's been said before, he will also see Sasori's heart and given the nature of Sasukes sword, could prlly take it out from a distance ( see Deidara fight ).