Which is the better sex? Male or Female?

[FascionViktem5k]

Here's the shpiel... we debate on which sex is better... i'll start:



I'm going to abandon my female sisters and say that it is probably better to be a man because!....
-men don't deal with the period... it stinks (literally), we have to deal with cramps and bloating, it gets messy (cuz it's blood), and we have to report it to the doctor ever so often...
-men don't have to go see a gyno after they've had sex for the first time... gynocologist... the person that looks into the female genital area... trust me... it doesn't feel very pleasant.. especially since the gyno uses these metal prong things to open you up and keep you like that for sometime... (girls you have to see the gyno after you've done it cuz pieces of the hymen could get left in your vagina and you could get a horrible infection...)
another thing men don't have to deal with...
-you don't have to deal with carrying a baby for 9 months and then going through labor...
-and then after the birth you don't have an infant sucking on your breast for about a year...

these are of course some of the reasons why i think being a male is better... but since i don't want to take the juice away from other people.....

DEBATE!!!!


EDIT: discuss this with which sex seems to be treated better by society... which sex has better advantages and what not... this is an edit simply because I do not believe we should/can be compared physically and mentally.... but socially speaking which sex do you think is appreciated more? or which sex is better off being through a societal perspecive?

[lmegera]

Whoa there.... hmm lets see.

I like being female, I like having jiggly boobs and being able to dress in skirts and fishnet without being looked at strangely...
But periods do suck because its messy... i dont really get cramps so its not that big of problem.

But to be a guy and be overtly sexual without being thought a total pervert... why are guys allowed to do that???

I dont know, both has its perks... I guess i would only know which one's better if i was reincarnated as a guy...

[Minami Ikki]

Eh..Being a guy has it's downsides too. Your expected to be fit..I mean FIT..well..here anyway..3/4 of my school has all guys..that work out. It takes months just to get in shape for sports and some of you women are fit NATURALLY. I'm just butt lazy xD
We have to go through circumcision. And some people cry when they get it (Never cried..it hurt, but I didn't cry).
We also have people stuffing cameras down our...uh...personal..parts. (Happened to my brother. I cracked up when I heard that xD).
You don't play football, and don't get beat up as much. As guys we get into a LOT of fights here..Survival of the fitest..>_>
Lots of women are naturally sexy, lots of guys are HELLA ugly!..But then again..I AM a guy..>_>

[Daeruke]

Both have its advatages n how u use them in bed is wat realy matters . I m never serious :)

[akin_t]

Eh..Being a guy has it's downsides too. Your expected to be fit..I mean FIT..well..here anyway..3/4 of my school has all guys..that work out. It takes months just to get in shape for sports and some of you women are fit NATURALLY. I'm just butt lazy xD
We have to go through circumcision. And some people cry when they get it (Never cried..it hurt, but I didn't cry).
We also have people stuffing cameras down our...uh...personal..parts. (Happened to my brother. I cracked up when I heard that xD).
You don't play football, and don't get beat up as much. As guys we get into a LOT of fights here..Survival of the fitest..>_>
Lots of women are naturally sexy, lots of guys are HELLA ugly!..But then again..I AM a guy..>_>

I'm just lucky really, I appear fit on the outside whether or not I work out or eat healthy. I haven't hated being a guy, or ever wished to be a woman; I mean girls really have it rough...

1) Thier period. nuff said
2) Like guys, they have to appear a certain way to be considered attractive; however, the image of the ideal woman is much more difficult for women to attain, than that of men.
3) They've got to deal with a lot of discrimination; I mean did anyone hear about that catholic school teacher that ot fired because she got pregnant? how would they [the catholic school] know if a male teacher was being promiscuous? I could go on about this but I'll stop here.

Well it depends on how one can deal with the negative parts of thier gender really. Some people cope better than others

[Alexdude1255]

I don't have problems being a guy, I mean... its not much of a nuisance but I'm more of a geek.. a person who has a (fashion) sense of what to wear and how to act towards people, I know how to run computers well and how to tell what a computer has and etc. Downside to my intelligence though is... I am fat =/ but its not caused by me eating alot, its caused by my low metabolism which makes it so that I digest my food slowly... everything to a human being has a weakness and strengths...
However, I am pretty strong for a extra weighted guy... I can beat alot of people in arm wrestles.
I help cut wood with my brother which came about my upper body strength.

For final note: I am okay being a guy, and I would not switch genders if I wanted to.

[Shaehl]

This is actualy a trick question. The answer isn't Male or Female. The correct answer is actually Shaehl.

But seriously, it's great to be a man. Because we're stronger and men are expected to get into fights with eachother. Fighting is great for stress relief.

[silverwolf801]

Yes I agree being a man without all those womenly problems are certainly golden, which also shows how much us men take women for granted

[mungabungie13]

the hershey bars of course, duh. jk.

i dont know. Women because they can survive without men? plus they have BOOBS :doindadom

[koreasamurai]

SEXISTS! U R ALL SEXISTS! :E evil....

[silverwolf801]

yes BOOBS so so wonderful o sorry but don't you think that it is kind of sad how women turn lesbian because of men

[Sandal Hat]

There was already a thread like this. It got sent to the recycle bin.

*looks into crystal ball*

I see this thread going there too :)

[Seolyk]

meh... it doesnt really matter men and women compliment each other. you cant have one without the other.

[Sandal Hat]

meh... it doesnt really matter men and women compliment each other. you cant have one without the other.
I agree with this post

[FascionViktem5k]

oh i'm not saying which one is the one we should live without.. i'm just asking which sex do you think has it better off? i mean... don't get me wrong i enjoy being a girl definately! and i'm blessed with a pretty good metabolism which helps me not only stay at a nice skinny weight but i also have some nice curves (which my b/f enjoys way too much of... >.>) and yes i do enjoy my jiggly boobs.... but it's just that there is a lot less expected of men.. and they have it a bit easier then women do... at least in America... i mean look at every advertisement for women... wat are they? like size... -1 ??? who can be that!?!? and when you look at the ads for men.. you see like.. average Joe... pretty much! but men are scrutinized and they do have eating disorders just like women.. there's just less of them...
then there's the things i mentioned before... you know.. period, childbirth, blah blah...
anatomically speaking i wouldn't want a pee-pee... cuz i don't want to reach in the pants and fix it all the time.... yeah .. you guys do that way too much.. (do they really move around that much?!?!)
it's just that men seem to be much better off than women on so many aspects ... and it just kinda seems to suck to be a girl... even after that whole womens liberation movement we still haven't changed that much... except now we can sleep with whoever we want.... the only exception to the ads of the skinny women would be the new Dove ads.. if you've seen them... those women are what you see everyday... and i like that....

by the by! why is it that when a woman sleeps with a lot of men she's considered a slut, and when a man sleeps with a lot of women he's considered a god? what's up with that? and why does axe use that in their ads? i personally don't find it appealing (for anyone of the two sexes) to be sleeping around with a lot of people.... who knows what they've contracted?!?! why is it sexy to sleep with a lot of people?!?! has anyone been listening to the STD warnings!!??!?! ugh...

Shaehl... your funny... and perhaps your right... and it looks better when guys fight.. have you seen two women fight?! ugh! it's disgusting! .. except for that one time when that girl slammed the other girls face into the lockers... it was like a movie... she just like slid down the locker passed out... very good sight to see.. i just wish i had my camera at the time...

this is long post... bye!

[Shinraco]

hmm . . M or F . . i think female is the better gender since well giving birth yea it takes 2 but what is sperm (dont know if i can say this word) isnt it like protein amongst other thing i believe it can artificially be made, sure there are down side being a women but nothing that science cant fix (sooner or later, those dam mood swings =( ). culturally speaking it is better to be a man but in the animal kingdom female are the dominate gender most are bigger stronger(unless there in labor or some thing) to a male, take example the black widow being called a widow it kill its mate after the uh . . yeeeaa . . an then feed on the corpse or was it to feed the kids hmm..o an female lions are the hunter an male well i guess they protect when there not fighting amongst themselves, how odd that the 'Lion King' portray male the superior gender i wonder . . im a man/teen by the way an sure do love it!!

[Shaehl]

If sperm could be artificially produced, they'd be doing it already. I suppose it's only a matter of time until they figure out how to make a human clone. I for one don't think we should go around screwing with things like that. What would you do if you knew there was an exact copy of you walking around. Or worse, what if you were the copy? How would you deal with knowing you are just some genetic freak. Even if science could alter the genders so that everyone is eventually the same, how would it be a good thing? I for one like myself just the way I am. That would be freaky too, if everyone was the same, everyone would have to be homosexual. Unless they used science to make sex obsolete. While we're at it, we can use science to make everything obsolete until it gets to the point that we are mindless vegetables.

[Shinraco]

science = (the phrase) any thing is possible.

[dark_kitsune]

If sperm could be artificially produced, they'd be doing it already. I suppose it's only a matter of time until they figure out how to make a human clone. I for one don't think we should go around screwing with things like that. What would you do if you knew there was an exact copy of you walking around. Or worse, what if you were the copy? How would you deal with knowing you are just some genetic freak. Even if science could alter the genders so that everyone is eventually the same, how would it be a good thing? I for one like myself just the way I am. That would be freaky too, if everyone was the same, everyone would have to be homosexual. Unless they used science to make sex obsolete. While we're at it, we can use science to make everything obsolete until it gets to the point that we are mindless vegetables.

i'm pretty sure they have the technology to make human clones. if they can clone a dog...then they can clone humans. they aren't doing it because of the moral implications. cloning an animal is one thing...but a human would open all sorts of religious, moral and legal problems.

as for the topic - i like being a woman. sure the period sucks...but it's only a few days a month. also just because you're a woman doesn't mean you have to give birth. not like it's a a law or something. >.>

the best thing about being female - not having to adjust my junk every five minutes.

[MVIK]

koreasamurai have the same view as me. All ppl here are sexism....kinda

[Sahiden]

Oh no not again............................
I'll tell you, a few moths ago, there was a similar threa here about which gender "scientifically" is better... I had to report it to close it down. It had gotten far worse than any other thread I've seen so far around here.

Well, I guess everyone knows my point on this topic anyway by now.
Equality forever!

I myself am a guy, but I can't exactly say I ever wondered if it were better to be a guy or a girl.... I guess it's an irrelevant question, you can't change it anyway. Everyone has things they don't like, and don't get me started on the commercial/media topic, because I did think a lot on that I can say I hate it from the depths of my mind.
If I ever judge a girl at the hand of a commercial, I'll cut my right hand off.
Really, I can get so pissed from these commercial images... I don't think it to be pretty at all.... I usually think it this way, most models you see and all in any media, are altered images by Computers. (I know how to do so)

Reality thought me a lot about the absurd things humans do to be like those images. Especially since both sexes seem to be under the delusion that the other sex want's them to be like that.
And sure, there are people who are like that. But I know for sure, myself as example, that there are other people. People who don't care about looks at all.
Because in the end, isn't the beauty of the soul much more intense than the physical beauty. Especially since one is eternal and the other fades in time.
I know I'm sounding completely against the "general male ideas", but that's just who I am. I don't care wether I'm worse than the others, or completely off, declared insane by them. I live by my own standards, however harsh those are. (It seems there are little truly nice people around... everyone seems so deluded by these false images.)

I know I'll probably will end up never having a girlfriend, but this choice suits me better then betraying my own mind and thoughts, adapting to others ideas.

[nighthawksw]

Although i'll agree that women have it harder..i'm going to argue they have it easier, just because it's the rarer side ^_^ Let's see how i do...
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-Women get a great excuse to beat/abuse their BFz over their period
-Women can fake orgasms...how UNFAIR IS THAT!? lol
-If they play their cards right, men will offer up gifts for nothing except a smile
-Even if the girl is ugly, people will lie and say they're hawt
-Women dont have this natural competition to be the strongest among their friends, thus leading to unnessisary fights
-Women are more likely to have someone stand up to protect them, where as if a guy has problem? People'll just leave it for them to handle

[Shinraco]

i still think that female are the better gender putting every thing aside they can match an surpass a man, plus they can give birth but then again so can a male seahorse hmm wheres the line which splits the two gender?

edit: lol if were talking about hu'mens then fe'male would have to be second ofcourse being male is way better!!

[Shaehl]

Sahiden, you don't really think that all beautiful women on television are computer generated do you? That's just absurd. You may not get out of your basement enough to see them, but they do exist. Personally, I think every culture and time has it's version of beauty. In America, that perception of beauty is possibly different from other countries or times, but does that make it bad? I don't think so.

For young people, looks are important. I think a lot of what makes someone attractive is basically instinctual. Physical fitness and good looks appeal to our subconscious instincts. In more primitive times, someone who was in good shape would be a much better choice for a mate because it meant that they were healthy and more capable at physical tasks than someone who resembled a bloated whale. Similarly, someone with good looks has superior genes and is desirable because of that. Looks and physical fitness may not matter in the end, but it doesn't change the fact that people find certain things to be attractive.

Besides, I'd never consider dating someone who was horribly overweight or out of shape because they obviously have no self-discipline. Sure, sometimes it might be due to genes, but would I really want to burden my kids with those fat genes? Either way you look at it, overweight people aren't suitable choices. In my book, as long as a girl is in good shape, doesn't look like the elephant man's twin sister and has a personality that I enjoy, I'd consider dating her. I don't expect her to look like a greek god, but I do have standards.

[MVIK]

Well, those models for commercials on TV really did get altered to look much more beautiful. *Sexism isnt good.....*

[Nesquik]

Sahiden, you don't really think that all beautiful women on television are computer generated do you? That's just absurd. You may not get out of your basement enough to see them, but they do exist. Personally, I think every culture and time has it's version of beauty. In America, that perception of beauty is possibly different from other countries or times, but does that make it bad? I don't think so.

For young people, looks are important. I think a lot of what makes someone attractive is basically instinctual. Physical fitness and good looks appeal to our subconscious instincts. In more primitive times, someone who was in good shape would be a much better choice for a mate because it meant that they were healthy and more capable at physical tasks than someone who resembled a bloated whale. Similarly, someone with good looks has superior genes and is desirable because of that. Looks and physical fitness may not matter in the end, but it doesn't change the fact that people find certain things to be attractive.

Besides, I'd never consider dating someone who was horribly overweight or out of shape because they obviously have no self-discipline. Sure, sometimes it might be due to genes, but would I really want to burden my kids with those fat genes? Either way you look at it, overweight people aren't suitable choices. In my book, as long as a girl is in good shape, doesn't look like the elephant man's twin sister and has a personality that I enjoy, I'd consider dating her. I don't expect her to look like a greek god, but I do have standards.

hey that was inteligent,changing i like to be a girl it is easier it is not a law gave birth and you dont have to do all the things in home like:
-fix all the electronic things!
-buy things to your girlfriend!lol

[Demexor]

both have down falls. I "presume" since im a guy. and i hope to god i dont wake up too find a pair of boobs have grow overnight...wait no that'll be great for a while...w/e


Women.

Negative -

Periods. I hear all my girl friends (lady friends) complaining about cramps etc.
Well bleeding is damn annoying enough i guess. And to bleed....for like x amount of days must be annoying as hell. and every month.

Pregnancy - ....8 pound (averaging) baby trying to fit through your hips and all turning etc...then has to get past your cervix and then through your vagina...stitches...owwww!!! + no sex for errm 9 months? (i got no idea how long a baby takes) unless your really nasty and have sex while your baby is inside you.
But theres a plus of having something that you created growing inside of you. not sure if thats good...but apparently so. adn then having the child...the pain is well nothing compaired to the baby.

Hornones! - Geh.!! woman and their hormones...they complain about them, moan about them, and everything else then go through damn menopause and get Hormone replacement treament..

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Plus. +

Multi Orgasms - no need to be a Tantra master to get a multi. this is one hell of a strong plus.

ermmm.....any other pluses?


cant be bothered to do Guys.

[Riyachan]

--;; omfg this is not what i would call a "serious" debate,

but you know what i dont think either one gender has it any better off, i mean it might not seem like that nowadays but if you think about it you know they both have ups and downs,

i personally dont mind being female... but then again im not your avg girl...(i dun think masquerading as a guy with random people when you're visiting your cousins consitutes as normal?..>>; i seriously didnt believe that i fooled them [neither did my friends] xD but 'twas fun.. tho.. got in a fist fight with this one guy cuz he was being an utter b-er-wastard to his girlfriend, i won too, but thats just because i know how to fight-> martial arts and boxing classes: buahaha i rule xD xD..>>;; that black eye and bruises werent fun tho..o.x;;; haha oO;; haven't done it since then tho haha)

female ups and downs:
- yes we have periods, but its not like they take up our entire lives only a couple days, plus it give us an excuse to be *****y, or if you really cant help it than an explanation
-b/c of things like giving birth and periods, girls *should* probably be less susceptable to being freaked out by gross things
-yes giving birth hurts like heck but having that bond with a baby ish probably more than worth it x100 sans special cases
-yes and then girls dont have to deal with being (obviously atleast) seemingly obsessed with sex
-more able to multi-task/think about multiple things (both good and bad at times)
-females technically, are in a community more taken care of (overprotective fathers/brothers, only way to bring a baby into the world)
-women=mental strength of community
men ups and downs:
-guys fight all the time
-sometimes a little thickheaded
-guys also considered more level-headed at times
-guys have their own sexually-related things to deal with
-more single-minded (both good and bad at times)
-has responsiblitly of everyone (in a family sitch)...er technically
-males=physical strength of a community

in our world today its hard to choose if either one gender has it better off, in different situations its different, so i conclude that BOTH GENDERS CANNOT BE COMPARED in who has it better off, because BOTH HAVE TO DEAL WITH DIFFERENT THINGS, you cant really compare something unless they have the same things to deal with really

guys have it easier off in some things that girls dont
and girls have it easier off in other thing that guys dont
its all balanced people

--;; damn... y'all got me rambling xD sry if i over generalized something, im just rambling .. i dun even remember half of what i just wrote haha lol xD
sry if i bored you xD

oo;; i was bored or else i would've nvr have wrote so much

[HeartofGuitar]

ok well heres my opinion on this topic. male and female gender are all equal, and for those who dont understand, just think about it. Yes, there are some ups and downs to being a guy/girl, but they basically all balance out. For instance, gals have to go to see a gyno after sex and the labor thing, etc. On the other hand guys get circumcised (ack dunno how to spell) and on command, a girl can deliver something more painful than getting hit by Byakuya's bankai.
Theres a whole bunch but if you think about them all without exaggerating the points n etc, they all basically balance each other out.
But one thing i hate is the "guys dont cry/guys are all macho freaks" thing. guys can cry, it just depends on when/where you cry. The macho freak thing i dont hate as much as the no crying thing, because guys are supposed to be fit to support girls physically and emotionally. However some people take it too far and beat people up to look macho. There's also the guys who have pecs that look like boobs. Hitting the gym every minute they can use, or steroids. But, being fat is never good. Now the way i hate the macho appearance thing comes in when the standard becomes raised too high. When in a school, girls only go for guys who look big and strong. Its the inside that counts the most, then the outside appearance. This also applies for girls, too. Why would you date a girl who's hollow? A hottie who's dating you for her own purpose, and doesnt give a shit for the guy she's dating. The one girl i hate most is a hollow girl. Or a girl who thinks she's on top of the world. actually i hate anyone who feels like that but thats just me...

....wow thats the longest post ive posted since....ever....

[Shaehl]

Crying serves no use. Period. I won't say that people shouldn't cry, but at the same time, I don't want anyone telling me that I should. Crying signifies your inability to control your emotions, it's a display of weakness.

[FascionViktem5k]

hmm.... maybe we should look at this through a societal perspective... not genetic or scientific... cuz i don't think we can be compared like that...

i agree we all have our ups and downs, but through a societal perspecitive there's a lot of push on women to being something... and not so much on men... so that's why i though it was better to be a guy.. even though i'm a girl... i do like the attention i get (i don't look anything like a victoria's secret model but i get a lot of looks my way so i'm a assuming that i'm pretty good looking..)

that whole cloning thing.. i don't think it'll ever work because you'll never have an 'EXACT' copy of you... it's the events a person goes through that make them who they are... so you could have someone clone you... but they'll be more like a twin brother or sister... unless they find a way to do that whole "The 6th Day" thing and like copy your memories onto the clone... which won't happen any time soon....

and yeah... i wrote some stuff and then i erased it... by accident... cuz i'm dumb... and the coked up evil monkey wants to battle me... (if you've seen Dane Cook you'll like that reference)

(PS: if this was already a thread we can close this and i can make one about cloning, or debate if beautiful people are better off in society... it's up to you guys.. i didn't know there was a thread like this before, so it's really up to what you guys want to discuss...just tell me and i'll ask a mod to close this.... if you want! if you want we can keep discussing! up to you guys now!)

EDIT: i don't think crying shows weakness.. i know for a fact i feel very good after i've cried... it relieves stress... and i'd like to know that people have emotions... but that's just me...

[Shaehl]

You can be sad and not cry. Just you can be mad and not attack someone. It's all about control.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

Hermaphrodites rule.

[Demexor]

Crying serves no use. Period. I won't say that people shouldn't cry, but at the same time, I don't want anyone telling me that I should. Crying signifies your inability to control your emotions, it's a display of weakness.

but whats the point. To be human is to have emotions. control of those emotions is all down to the person, causes from beliefs etc etc etc.. you can't say crying signifies your inability to control your emotions. since we wouldnt have it if we had to control it. crying is an emotion that must happen because thats what your body feels like. to stop what your body does makes you less human.

I cant be bothered to be formal. so don't reply to this and use my context against me.

[Shaehl]

but whats the point. To be human is to have emotions. control of those emotions is all down to the person, causes from beliefs etc etc etc.. you can't say crying signifies your inability to control your emotions. since we wouldnt have it if we had to control it. crying is an emotion that must happen because thats what your body feels like. to stop what your body does makes you less human.

I cant be bothered to be formal. so don't reply to this and use my context against me.

Crying isn't an emotion, it's an expression of emotion. You can feel the full spectrum of emotions without expressing them outwardly. The only time crying makes sense is when you have something stuck in your eye.

[Captain BenZ]

Crying serves no use. Period. I won't say that people shouldn't cry, but at the same time, I don't want anyone telling me that I should. Crying signifies your inability to control your emotions, it's a display of weakness.
Weakness my ass.

That's pretty cold hearted of you to say that crying is a sign of weakness. Reasons why guys seen crying is viewed as a bad thing is because it's viewed as "weak" and guys are supposed to be strong right? That's just a bunch of BS. Any guy can be a strong supporter of the family and although you don't see it often, the supporter of the family might get sad and cry for a reason or another. Not every reason of crying is a display of weakness as you say it is. If there was a family member of yours that died, and you followed that stupid rule of forcibly holding back your tears, or worse, not showing emotions of even wanting to shed tears, you are black hearted because crying is the emotion to show that you care, not that you're weak.

Crying can mean a lot of things, it can show that you're happy, scared, excited, in pain, remembering horrific past events, etc. A WWII veteran had once came up to my class to do a presentation, and telling us about his past experiences. There were things that he brought up that had him started to bring some tears to his eyes and couldn't continue the presentation due to such horrible memories he had to bring back up. I would have probably done the same too if I was in his position, because it's not easy to hold back on something like that. I can only imagine what he lost...

Seriously, the sterotypical view of guys not being macho because they cried is extremely stupid. I believe that guys who follow thse rules do not have a heart.

I will admit that crying for the smallest things is kinda ridiculous, but crying overall for something that a person cares about isn't.

Don't try to look so wise, don't cry cuz you're so right, don't dry with fakes or fears cuz you will hate yourself in the end.

[Jasper]

I have no clue what the others have said, but I think that there is no such thing as a better sex! People in my country tend to be overjoyed if a new born baby turns out to be a boy and show signs of grief if its a girl. Thats senseless!!!! They say that the boy will grow up to be the responsible but women can't! Do they ever think what a woman does to raise her children? Sure the man is responsible for 'putting food on the table' but so can be the woman... Science has shown that men can be smarter than women because they have a larger brain capacity, but I'm sure there are women in this world that are much smarter than most men in this world... I'm not a feminist or anything I'm just defending the side that seems to be more opressed...

[Shaehl]

In some circumstances, I wouldn't look down on someone crying. However, even then it serves no real purpose. As I said before, you can feel emotion without letting it overcome you. If someone close to me died, I may or may not cry, I don't know. But if I did, I would still recognize it for what it is; the result of my emotions being too strong for me to contain. Not something to be proud of, but at the same time, not necessarily something to be ashamed of considering the circumstances.

To me, crying falls under the same category of all physical manifestations of emotion. For isntance, attacking when angered, laughing when happy etc. Crying when sad is not different. You can experience emotion without broadcasting it when you do. If I don't cry, it doesn't mean that I "don't have a heart". It means that I don't let it bleed through my eyes.

[Sahiden]

Sahiden, you don't really think that all beautiful women on television are computer generated do you? That's just absurd. You may not get out of your basement enough to see them, but they do exist. Personally, I think every culture and time has it's version of beauty. In America, that perception of beauty is possibly different from other countries or times, but does that make it bad? I don't think so.

For young people, looks are important. I think a lot of what makes someone attractive is basically instinctual. Physical fitness and good looks appeal to our subconscious instincts. In more primitive times, someone who was in good shape would be a much better choice for a mate because it meant that they were healthy and more capable at physical tasks than someone who resembled a bloated whale. Similarly, someone with good looks has superior genes and is desirable because of that. Looks and physical fitness may not matter in the end, but it doesn't change the fact that people find certain things to be attractive.

Besides, I'd never consider dating someone who was horribly overweight or out of shape because they obviously have no self-discipline. Sure, sometimes it might be due to genes, but would I really want to burden my kids with those fat genes? Either way you look at it, overweight people aren't suitable choices. In my book, as long as a girl is in good shape, doesn't look like the elephant man's twin sister and has a personality that I enjoy, I'd consider dating her. I don't expect her to look like a greek god, but I do have standards.

I hope you realise that you just proved only 2 things: 1) you did not take the time to actually read my post. 2) You are exactly what I was talking about.

1) I didn't say they are computer generated, a computer generated image cannot be rendered as a real human as uptill now. What I the point really was, was that many images we see in the media are edited by computers. Surely some things are easily modificable. This isn't out of the air, it was written in a scientific magazine on computer technology.
And I'm not in a basement, hell my house doesn't even have one. I think you are overstepping your boundary here, you cannot attack me personally in a debate, as it has no debative value. I could go calling you names, but then again, I wouldn't be a very credible debater either.

2) You do realise that what you are saying is only applicable in your own little world there... Not everyone is like you think they are, not everyone looks at the same standards you adore so much.
I know I'm a rare kind of person these days. But it is people like me who prove your theory wrong. As long as there at least is one person like me, you won't be right when you say everyone should look good when they're young.

3) Once again, you judge a person before you actually know them, a personality issue usually assigned to immaturity, yet I do not know that for sure, you could simply be unwilling to change your ways, or you simply feel that this is the right path for you to take. In any case, you aren't wrong, yet you are only right as long as speak for yourself, and not for everyone.

If we do go the genetical way, then no one will be a suitible partner for anyone, as every person has flaws. You can deny it, but you can't change that fact.


Do I need to say more.... You proved my point by posting the above in first place.

(Also, Crying is a weakness is a very good point for you to take to further prove my point. You really are a perfect example...)

[Shaehl]

I never said everyone should look good, nor did I say that for a person to be a suitable choice for a mate, they must be perfect. I merely suggested that on a primitive level, someone who is unhealthy, overweight, out of shape or hideous will be less attractive than someone who isn't.

And yes, I do make conclusions about people based off their looks. Everyone does, even you. It's subconscious. When you see some guy decked out in leather, with dyed, spiked hair and piercings riddling his skin, you don't think, "There goes an excellent father figure." Same goes for overweight people. When someone has more rolls than the bakery, it's most likely because the person ate them all. Even if a girl like that is a nice upstanding citizen, I wouldn't consider her for a potential girlfriend because she is unhealthy and lacks self-control and discipline. To me, those are important characteristics, especially for someone I'm going to marry. The only other explanation for someone being unreasonably overweight would be genetic. If that was the case, I wouldn't want my kids to end up like that and have to go through life with that burden.

I'd have no problem being friends with an overweight person. I just wouldn't date one. Yes, I know not everyone wouldn't date a fat person, but in most cases it's because they are also fat, out of shape or have some other defect.

[FascionViktem5k]

why is nobody answering my question?!?!?! ok i'll copy and paste it for you guys...
don't argue on a personal level please!

(PS: if this was already a thread we can close this and i can make one about cloning, or debate if beautiful people are better off in society... it's up to you guys.. i didn't know there was a thread like this before, so it's really up to what you guys want to discuss...just tell me and i'll ask a mod to close this.... if you want! if you want we can keep discussing! up to you guys now!)

ok... can you guys answer now? should we close this and start one on cloning?! or anthing else?

[Shaehl]

If you want. There isn't any rule against it. The reason, I believe, a thread like this got locked last time was because it got out of hand or something like that, not because of the topic.

[FascionViktem5k]

well i wasn't here... or i just never read it... i dunno.. it just seems pointless if it was already talked about... whatever you all want!

[Raku]

Yes I agree being a man without all those womenly problems are certainly golden, which also shows how much us men take women for granted


More true words I've never heard my friend ^^

Well I like being a man.. women got so many things they gotta take care of.. 1 mistake and evrything is ruined o.O Like a girl that were in my class.. she was very popular but then she started smoking and evry1 started treating her like crap.. o.O

[SmallKid57]

well im probably just saying this b/c im male. but male really do have less things to worry about... i think. well idk but yea...

[Tokoyami]

Yea, men dont have random cramp/headaches/PMS during the month. And we dont have child birth. But i say we are superior because we have to succumb to the all mighty "nagging effect" of women.

Its like a finishing move that does 10000000+ damage to our patience.....Patience = 10hp

[_strangechild_]

I think both men and women are important, but women are perhaps more important in the sense that they actually complete the process of creating another life.
But I don't think I'd say that one sex was better than the other.
I've heard a lot of arguments as to why women are better (especially nowerdays, apparently) but I won't go into that as I'm sure there are good arguments for why guys are better but I don't really.. know any because I've never been made to think about it. UNTIL NOW and I'm tired.. Lol.

[Sahiden]

http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2387

Referation to the chaotic evil thread gone haywire.


Uhm to the question about what I would think when I see a person: I usually don't think anything about them.... It's my mental defect doing that. Maybe it does make me strange, but at least I don't judge someone before I analysed them psychologically.

[General Cox]

close it before it gets outa hand again >.<

personally, i think both cannot live without the other, seems men seem to realise this more than women these days though (talking about feminists here, lots of women do know the truth that we cant exist without the other)

[ningo]

I don't think closing this thread will be the answer. Firstly, despite the title, this topic's subject is slightly different to the afore mentioned post. Secondly, the fact that a similar post has sprung up again(and has been posted on) is evidence of people wishing to debate the issue.Thirdly, there was less flaming on the shut down thread than recently on the suicide thread, and that thread is still alive and well. Fourthly (i'm starting to sound like a broken record with this line) I really don't think we should close threads(unless they are repeats) on the debates section-moderate the flamers, don't ruin the debate for the rest.

[koreasamurai]

i just go with one can't live without the other. kinda like ying and yang maybe

[silverwolf801]

women can live without men I am sorry to say that but with the way technology is going men and how men act to women we could just be another extinct species

[Ios]

women can live without men I am sorry to say that but with the way technology is going men and how men act to women we could just be another extinct species

I don't really get what you were saying, I mean, what are you trying to say with that?
please explain your arguments.

[Shaehl]

women can live without men I am sorry to say that but with the way technology is going men and how men act to women we could just be another extinct species

If it comes down to that, we go to war and wtfpwn the women. 90% of the military is already men, plus women are weaker physically and most of the time mentally(Under war conditions) so it won't happen. Not unless they some how convince all women AND men that we need to mangle the DNA of the human race so we'll all be women. That'd just be messed up.

[silverwolf801]

Noooooooooo

[blazedsouls]

sex is better?

[Silfrsyn]

I don't think either is better or worse, because we do need each other if we want to multiply legally.... as for war, all I think of it is just one of the methods to prevent over-populating.

[justx645]

Which is better...male or female? Well...being a guy, I would have to say females. But that's only because I think girls are hot and guys are not. Now, as for being one or the other...I'm pretty satisfied with being a guy. Cuz I get to look at girls...who are hot.

Men are the protectors, women are the nurturers. Men are the roof and women are the foundation. Men are big, bumbling idiots who live for food, sex, and power, whereas women are smaller, ditsy idiots who like to manipulate the bigger, bumbling idiots, as well as shop like there's no tomorrow. Women are respected and considered precious and beautiful, while at the same time they serve humbly the men, who are respected and considered strong and selfless, doing all they can for their families financially and physically. At least...that's how it's supposed to be.

[FascionViktem5k]

and nobody is answering my recent question... except for one person... er two.. and they cancelled each other out! darn you!!!

ok... since this thread already existed should we close it? and open some other one? or keep it? and keep talking and repeating how we both like both?

ok and yeah... women are allowed to look at other women as well.. i know for certain i check out hot girls when i see them... even when i'm with my man...
women are born with more fat than men because we carry babies and men are born with more muscle... naturally... that's when they're babies.. by the time they get older who knows which one will be stronger? especially now adays!!! crazy feminists.... don't get me wrong, i'm all for women having equal power and all that good stuff men have.. but as a woman i can see how my gender abuses that power we earned so rightfully... by getting abortions just because, by doing this and doing that... honestly men don't wear shorts that show half of their ass.. women shouldn't be walkin around like that either... especially if your fat! (most of America is fat... there's a good chance you are too...) the only reason why i think being a man is better is because a lot of guys now adays... seem to have that whole "honor" thing happening... a lot of guys are also scumbags that need a good kick in the groin but that's a different story... a lot of women give the rest of us a really bad name... it's mainly the slutty girls that do that... and there's never a shortage of those around... but i don't regret being a girl... i enjoy my girlish figure and my Bulgarian beauty and curves... (being skinny could also be helping my ego a bit... ) i just wish that since we can't be compared physically... why must we make these social differences and pressures? whatever...

please no flamers!!! no flamers!!! i want this to be a good thread!!! (pats the thread on the head) good thread... good thread.. down!

and blazedsouls ... yes... sex is better... and i mean intercourse... between a man and a woman... i wouldn't know anything about the others... lol!

[Sahiden]

I don't think closing this thread will be the answer. Firstly, despite the title, this topic's subject is slightly different to the afore mentioned post. Secondly, the fact that a similar post has sprung up again(and has been posted on) is evidence of people wishing to debate the issue.Thirdly, there was less flaming on the shut down thread than recently on the suicide thread, and that thread is still alive and well. Fourthly (i'm starting to sound like a broken record with this line) I really don't think we should close threads(unless they are repeats) on the debates section-moderate the flamers, don't ruin the debate for the rest.

Agreed, the threas is still here isn't it... As long as everyone keeps an open mind, loads of forgivefullness and a tad intelligence in what they write, there won't be the need to shut this one down. I haven't sen a lot of offensive posting here yet. Still it is a difficult issue to talk about, you know you'll get enemies on the forum just by taking a side here...

[Pipp-ORK]

I bet I know the outcome..
http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2387
:cussing:

[_strangechild_]

... but as a woman i can see how my gender abuses that power we earned so rightfully... by getting abortions just because, by doing this and doing that... honestly men don't wear shorts that show half of their ass.. women shouldn't be walkin around like that either... especially if your fat! (most of America is fat... there's a good chance you are too...) the only reason why i think being a man is better is because a lot of guys now adays... seem to have that whole "honor" thing happening... a lot of guys are also scumbags that need a good kick in the groin but that's a different story... a lot of women give the rest of us a really bad name...
You sounded as if you meant all women walk around in shorts showing their ass. I don't see much of that around my parts, I don't think that gives a reason either to however you were trying to relate that to abortions if you were. Also that's mean to be mean to overweight people =P
Honour? Men have been viewed as the more dominant our of our species because they are supposed to provide for the family by working and earning money etc. Also, Shaehl, I don't agree that "women are weaker physically" as you seem to be referring to all women and that's not the case, there are a lot of women who are very strong. Anyway, I think that a lot of women have been taking the role that a man is 'expected' (almost) to do, especially single mums for example, they work, they earn money, they provide for the family, take care of the house and a lot of men have been dependant on someone else as a woman's role typically is (being a housewife). Not all, but a lot. Shaehl, I also don't think a lot of men are mentally capable of being in a war, a lot of soldiers (have) commit(ed) suicide. And I agree with you, FascionViktem5k when you say that a lot of girls give the rest of us a bad name and I also think that goes for men as well. Sad that one paedophile or one rapist can affect someone's outlook on the male species.

[_Ink]

the best is in the middle and if you are a snail...even better, you can change....
I think being male is the best, because i say so and i can drink beer without giving a damn to what people think i am fat!
by the way, replacing muscle with brains so i can live peacefully is also a plus.

[_strangechild_]

=P You know, some guys also care about what people think (when they drink, do you mean?).. and some girls don't, also.

I think we're as good as each other, just in different ways. It depends what you value more, if you think being physically good is best then you're probably going to typically say guys are better.

[Shaehl]

Yes, some women are very strong. But that is the exception, not the rule. Take an average woman and an average guy, the woman will have to work harder, longer, just to be equal in strength. Fact is, most men are naturally much stronger than most women, even if they never work out.

[_strangechild_]

I see what you mean.

[Hits]

Are men more intelligent then women? Many people think so, I don't. Out of the top 20 students in my grade, 18 of them are girls.

[the purifier]

what is this for thread:S. i mean you cant compare women with men because everyone is an individual and cant be compared with those 2 factions. maybe 2000 years ago but we evolved and have become too complex to be compared in those catagories. besides i'm a guy but i dont like beer, i'm not strong but still a good fighter, i'm pretty smart, i have a huge female side (no i'm not gay) and well some other stuff. but the point is that we all are too different, sure you can compare yourself with someone else but there are more differences then resemblances so its a draw.

[Shaehl]

what is this for thread:S. i mean you cant compare women with men because everyone is an individual and cant be compared with those 2 factions. maybe 2000 years ago but we evolved and have become too complex to be compared in those catagories.

Actually the human race hasn't really changed at all since those times. Our society has, but not our species.

[the purifier]

maybe not physicly but mentally it changed big times

[Daeruke]

conclusion: it is a draw. Except that girls r more scary than nightmares.

[General Cox]

they aint scary, its just we were brought up not to hit them, if we were not brought up like that most guys would knock 6 shades of blue out them, but that aint the point

to answer an earlier point about women not needing men anymore, where do you read these things? no artificial sperm have been made, none, none at all! (none that can be made into babies atm anywho) and even if that were the case the same can be said in reverse, test tube baby anyone?

please for the love of god close this down before it happens again :'(

[_strangechild_]

We need sperm not men! Why.. if we just get enough sperm from guys then maybe we can eliminate them...

- Joking. Wonder if anyone has thought that whilst being serious, though. [Wonders]. Probably. People talk crazy talk these days.

[General Cox]

i am actually very worried the way the world is going, the world is meant to be digressing into not caring about sex or race or religeon, but i actually see the problem getting worse. Normal people are accepting this, but the radicals, well they are getting more radical.

Feminists, Machoists (men who want things done like in 1700's), racial groups, religeous hate groups, they are all stepping up a level in how radical they are being. I just hope it wont go any further....

[Fect]

People are becoming more polarized over the simple things: How are we going to win, games, and the usual "old vs. new." This is becoming a problem as more of the center is being pulled out and when there is no base to keep the sides from causing Civil War, there is.

This brings politics into the fray often: a lose-lose situation. I heard this from someone not too long ago: "Politics is a lose-lose game. You can only agree with those on your side and those on the other side will NEVER budge and drop their beliefs. Only those without a stance in the first place will be moved to a political party."

The above tipifies the polarization. Male Shovinist Pigs are cropping up everywhere - Even on TV (Family Guy, American Dad, Most Dramas or Comedies).

[Shaehl]

Family guy isn't chauvinistic. They have a few women jokes, but they also joke about everything else, including men. Hell, the main character is a fat, stupid, moron with no parenting skills. Just because a show doesn't worship the ground women walk on, doesn't mean it's chauvinistic. If there are more chauvinists popping up than usual, it's only because of the psychotic feminazi movement bent on retardifying the whole nation.

[FascionViktem5k]

ok i'm noticing people posting without readin ANY of the previous posts... we're comparing who is better in society... not in physical or mental forms.. even though some people still are ... won't mention names... *coughcough* stop that..

and still no one answers my question....

DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE THIS AND OPEN ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE? LIKE CLONING? OR ANYTHING?!?!

someone answer!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

and Strangechild... i wanna live where you live because the amount of GIRLS wearing shorts that reveal too much is just horrendous... and all i was saying was that fat girls shouldn't be wearing those things... it's not pretty.. in fact it makes them look very very ugly.. i wasn't making fun of fat people.. just fat girls who choose to wear short shorts.... and i was refering to the whole "women becoming equal" and how girls take it to the extreme by going the other way... instead of being equal they become the man's plaything.... refering to the short shorts ... sorry if i confused anybody...

now someone answer the question!!!!

[Aragami]

Males, given what's shown.

Think about it, there's only a few out of the 13 captains that are female...seems they have a played down part in the story. Hell, Inoue has a dope story that could be expanded on but their basically ingoring her a bit.

[hondadabink]

in my opoion no one is, men do some things better then women and vise versa.
hell i love both, but i'd make a losy boy i have bad hand eye cordination and can never get things in the hole very well. so i'll stick to being a girl. i like it even with all the emotional and physical monthly problems.
but i think they are both great in my book

[Sahiden]

Again, the idiots strike again....
(Not referred to the post above me :D)

You can't compare women and men just like that, because of the diversity of each person.
Saying, it is generealy known, or, the average... Is stupid, there are no averages, they only want you to think that there are to make manipulation easier. Some people here are so full of the "right" idea that they are simply quoting TV commercials FCOL....

Really, this is exactly why the previous thread was shut down, some idiot's who can't keep an open mind and critisize their own ideas in the fear to find the truth they want to conceal.
People these days are all deluded, no one escapes it. The only ones who can identify the actual problem are people who are sick of their life and have a mental disorder... This is sad, why isn't their a single healty person in the world, who sees what is going so damn wrong here. The stereotypes are literally becoming more powerful every single day because more and more people are deluded by them. I could tell everyone the truth right now, but you would believe me unless you'd see it yourself. That is one of the effects of the manipulation.
You have to think past your own physical and mental selve to see this, you need to see what has happened to everyone. Once you've scratched the surface of this thing, you'll back out for sure... If you go deeper into this matter, it will forever change your mind, you will know the truth, and possibly be a better person, but this comes at a cost. A price I will not name...

Now everyone here decide for yourself, try to find the truth in your own mind, or keep living a deluded life.

(Warning: Digging too deep into the matter may cause negative spiraling effect.)



Back to the topic, since all the stereotypical people need to think things through, I think society, is making a good movement. Equality is progressing. Yet some feminists keep pushing it to the level of positive discrimination.

About the physical/mental preference: It doesn't matter which sex you are or you would like to be, the point is to feel good in your own body with your own mind. It is but a mere mindset, often poisoned by the topic adressed above in this post.


I really hope the deluded ones will stop posting nonsence now.....

[_strangechild_]

i am actually very worried the way the world is going, the world is meant to be digressing into not caring about sex or race or religeon, but i actually see the problem getting worse. Normal people are accepting this, but the radicals, well they are getting more radical.

Feminists, Machoists (men who want things done like in 1700's), racial groups, religeous hate groups, they are all stepping up a level in how radical they are being. I just hope it wont go any further....

I think they've always been an issue. Just at some points have hid away unseen, but still lurking. I recently found out this person I speak to is racist O_O I never knew... (I'm mixed raced). Oh well, as long as he's civil, I suppose he has a right to his own opinion.

[Pipp-ORK]

I think I mentioned this in the other thread (the EVIL one), but I'll say it again, how can one sex be BETTER than the other? They're not the same, therefore it's an unfair arguement, and can only be based on point of view.

[_strangechild_]

Truesay, Pipp-ORK.

((Is Air good, by the way?))

[FascionViktem5k]

does nobody read the previous posts anymore?

i'm simply gonna close this cuz people are just not paying attention... wtf?

i asked a question like 6 times and NO ONE cares... wow... i see how open minded people really are...

and this is supposed to be about which sex seems better in society... screw the physical differences... but of course no one is going to see this and just keep babbling about how closed minded ppl are in here... (no names mentioned..)

i know it's difficult to read.. i understand ppl have ADD... but at least before you post your ideas have a look at the other posts... this thread made it to like the 9th page... and i looked at the EVIL one and it only made it to page like 6 or 7.... i can see you want to discuss... but discuss with society in mind.... i don't want this going some other way...

i shall edit my first post so people are not confused any more....

sheesh....

[vejitto3]

men are just better we're stronger faster, smarter have more power and infleunce on everything hapening in the world what else do you need?

[FascionViktem5k]

i need you to read the first post and answer in a coherent way that makes sense to the question i'm asking.... please? .... please? .... *cries* too many people are just answering the title of the thread! c'mon!!! PLEASE!!!!!

[akin_t]

men are just better we're stronger faster, smarter have more power and infleunce on everything hapening in the world what else do you need?

I hope there's supposed to be some humor in that post.

Anyway I don't think guys are much smarter than girls, I mean the best student in a certain class may be male, but usually of the next 15 or so students 80% would be female. Girls just take school more seriously than guys most of the time.

As for strength, we obviously have a winner there.

Lastly, Speed? wtf do you need speed for to be comfortable in society? lol

[vejitto3]

Lastly, Speed? wtf do you need speed for to be comfortable in society? lol

obviously u haven't been rushed or heard shots ring out i also would suspect u don't play sports much do you? and yes that was in said in a joking mood and there sarcusism behind the remark

[akin_t]

obviously u haven't been rushed or heard shots ring out i also would suspect u don't play sports much do you? and yes that was in said in a joking mood and there sarcusism behind the remark

Oh emergencies! Yeah very good point. Now you've made me look really stupid. And yeah humor doesn't show itself very well on forums.

And as for sports, well I do play basketball and ping pong (if that counts). But you won't find men and women competeing against each other at sports. So yeah during emergencies, you'll wanna know how to outrun everyone. that's a basic neccessity for survival (still can't believe I forgot that)

[_strangechild_]

and still no one answers my question....

DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE THIS AND OPEN ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE? LIKE CLONING? OR ANYTHING?!?!

someone answer!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

and Strangechild... i wanna live where you live because the amount of GIRLS wearing shorts that reveal too much is just horrendous... and all i was saying was that fat girls shouldn't be wearing those things... it's not pretty.. in fact it makes them look very very ugly.. i wasn't making fun of fat people.. just fat girls who choose to wear short shorts.... and i was refering to the whole "women becoming equal" and how girls take it to the extreme by going the other way... instead of being equal they become the man's plaything.... refering to the short shorts ... sorry if i confused anybody...

now someone answer the question!!!!

To answer your question:
Not really. Cloning doesn't interest me much, actually.. I think it's not fair on the clone, because I've heard that they all have some kind of problem and die young. No, I'm okay, thanks.

Lol, I know what you mean. I still think that men using the fact that a woman has a small skirt as an excuse to rape her is stupid. The person should CONTROL HIMSELF, like other guys do!! Women will never be equal, but we try. I know that they're trying to get more women on things to reach goals about having equal amounts of women on certain jobs. But it's not happening. On this fire service (they came to my school recently) I think they need at least 10% or something and they haven't even got that. =P

[Shaehl]

To answer your question:
Not really. Cloning doesn't interest me much, actually.. I think it's not fair on the clone, because I've heard that they all have some kind of problem and die young. No, I'm okay, thanks.

Lol, I know what you mean. I still think that men using the fact that a woman has a small skirt as an excuse to rape her is stupid. The person should CONTROL HIMSELF, like other guys do!! Women will never be equal, but we try. I know that they're trying to get more women on things to reach goals about having equal amounts of women on certain jobs. But it's not happening. On this fire service (they came to my school recently) I think they need at least 10% or something and they haven't even got that. =P

No one makes lame excuses like that. Also, what jobs aren't women getting as much as men? The only ones that come to mind are construction and minning. There are obvious reasons for that, mainly strength, and the fact that most women don't want to be miners in the first place.

[_strangechild_]

Err, yeah they do in actual fact. Not all of them, but there was even a survey asking about it. Even some civilians agree. I'll see if I can find a survey or something on the subject...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1880976,00.html

http://www.michiganindependent.com/stories/sarchives/00000028.html


No, firefighters for a start and many other jobs. I think they all have to reach a different percentage (depending on the job) and it's also the status of which they are at in the job, which need to be achieved also.
If you saw statistics (I doubt they've changed much). SOME jobs do not have equality when it comes to male and female staff.

[General Cox]

i htink id surprise most people by saying women get treated better by society, if you want an example theres a few, women dont get id'ed as much at bars/clubs, girls don't get hassled at school (picked on by the teachers), girls are angels in everyones eyes and can get away with most things, etc etc

You could bring work into a factor against girls, but tbh, i dunno where the wage gap is coming form >.< and these days it is set up so that women normally get the chance before a man (even if he is better at the job, not saying this is always the case but you know what i mean). Domestic abuse against men is on the rise, when have you heard a woman convicted of it? Women get into clubs free, to attract more guys erm, anything i didnt cover? Oh so its a bit frowned upon if they getting absolutely wasted and if they sleep with everyone, but on the whole society treats women better i think.

My opinions on rape would be considered contraversial i think >.< i do agree rape is a horrible thing, but proving it is a different thing. If a girl is runk and gives her consent, i would still say thats consent, how is the guy meant to know the girl is so bladdered? carry round a breathiliser? girls giving flirty looks with the wee dresses can bring on rape i suppose, but i think if theres a clear no after the come onto bit, and then something happens it is rape.

the percentages are different in different jobs of course! in some cases female to male ratio is greater in the female side, i dont think percentages can be looked at in some cases, as the amount of women or male applicants can outweight the other, so how can they keep it 50:50?

[_strangechild_]

I get picked on by teachers ><
I know what you mean (although I haven't heard of women getting in free to clubs and such), but don't you think women get a chance more because they have percentages to look up to? Because that's what they're trying to do, they're trying to raise the amount of women in certain jobs (as well as minorities - which they're doing better in I think).

Umm, I didn't quite understand that bit on rape fully.
If you mean, when they're flirting and then have sex (but kind of can't remember and say they raped them kind of thing) is different to being kidnapped when walking down the road to be raped, then I understand.

[714]

Being Male myself, i will say that Men have done many great things, but behind every man, is a great woman. Women have done many things that we as men do not see, or appreciate at times. I for one appreciate what women have done through history. Eleanor Roosevelt is a good example. And also a 7 year old girl rescued her father from underneath a vehicle, believe it? Click here (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/5409292/detail.html)

And to also cover the bit on rape, this link will also explain some more. here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1888035,00.html)

[General Cox]

yes, but then the same thing with percentages could be said to men as well, unfortunately if you try to take it in one way itll affect the other side of the balance too :/ in saying that in some proffesions you do need a good balance, like the police force is a good example, you cant have male officer strip searching a woman and vice versa.

that is what i meant about rape, if she gives her permission but cant remember, its hardly his fault for getting the permission, he doesnt know what she is going to remember in the morning. You have no idea how many people wake up with poeple in their beds that they dont know :/

[714]

Thanks for clarifying for me ^_^ I have a better understanding of what you mean now. I agree with what you say, i was just "experiencing another view" if you will. Very good points ^_^

[FascionViktem5k]

yes, but then the same thing with percentages could be said to men as well, unfortunately if you try to take it in one way itll affect the other side of the balance too :/ in saying that in some proffesions you do need a good balance, like the police force is a good example, you cant have male officer strip searching a woman and vice versa.

that is what i meant about rape, if she gives her permission but cant remember, its hardly his fault for getting the permission, he doesnt know what she is going to remember in the morning. You have no idea how many people wake up with poeple in their beds that they dont know :/

i don't know where many of you live.. but i'd like to share some info about New York State Law.. and rape..... if a woman is intoxicated and a man sleeps with her and she gave "consent" it is considered rape basically because she didn't give the consent... the drinking did.... since drinking and getting drunk has an affect on your brain your not you when you say yes... and whose to know if she really said yes or not? it was she and the guy... so if she was intoxicated if she said yes and the next morning she has no idea what happened... well ... don't be surprised if the police came knockin on your door...
and i actually agree with that... because you can be manipulated when your drunk... so yeah... and i really hate it when guys say "oh it was her fault for wearing a short skirt" .... um no... no one else raped her! i was just saying that women look kinda slutty with really short skirts.. but i would never blame her if she got raped....

and here's a little something that i got about rapists a while back from my mom.. just some info and things on how defend oneself:

Through a Rapist's Eyes (No Joke)
This is important information for females of ALL ages.
A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts :

1) The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle. They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed. They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair. Women with short hair are not common targets.

2) The second thing men look for is clothing. They will look for women who's clothing is easy to remove quickly. Many of them carry scissors around specifically to cut clothing.

3) They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered.

4) Men are most likely to attack & rape in the early morning, between 5:00a.m. and 8: 30a.m.

5) The number one place women are abducted from/attacked is grocery store parking lots. Number two is office parking lots/garages. Number three is public restrooms.

6) The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and quickly move her to another location where they don't have to worry about getting caught.

7) Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a 3-5 year sentence but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years.

8) If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn't worth it because it will be time-consuming.

9) These men said they would not pick on women who have umbrellas, or other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands.
Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince these guys you're not worth it.

10) Several defense mechanisms he taught us are: If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question, like what time is it, or make general small talk: "I can't believe it is so cold out here", "we're in for a bad winter." Now you've seen their face and could identify them in a line-up; you lose appeal as a target.

11) If someone is coming toward you, hold out your hands in front of you and yell STOP or STAY BACK ! Most of the rapists this man talked to said they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.

12) If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate of it and carries it with him wherever he goes,) yell I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY and holding it out will be a deterrent.

13) If someone grabs you , you can't beat them with strength but you can by outsmarting them. If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm (between the elbow and armpit) OR in the upper inner thigh VERY VERY HARD. One woman in a class this guy taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape her and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle strands - the guy needed stitches.
Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it; it hurts.

14) After the initial hit, always GO for the GROIN. I know from a particularly unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy's parts it is extremely painful. You might think that you'll anger the guy and make him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told our instructor is that they want a woman who will not cause a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble, and he's out of there.

15) When the guy puts his hands up to you, grab his first two fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on them as possible . The instructor did it to me without using much pressure, and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.

16) Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your surroundings , take someone with you if you can and if you see any odd behavior, don't dismiss it, go with your instincts!!!
You may feel a little silly at the time, but you'd feel much worse if the guy really was trouble.


PS: i have long hair............................. *i'm gonna get raped!!!*

[General Cox]

how is a guy meant to know when a woman is drunk though, i mean, i suppose it works both ways, the guy could have raped her, but the woman could had given him consent and he himself being half cut wouldnt be able to tell if she is pissed, stupid law tbh

i live in Scotland obviously :p do they have male rape in america yet? men do get raped as well but are even less likely to talk about it than women...

[_strangechild_]

I thought rape (whether it's a woman or a man getting raped) is illegal, full stop.

Men commonly get raped by other men it is thought but a lot of men do not want to share that with people. Women cannot 'rape' men (I think they probably can rape boys, though), they are only sentenced for 'sexual assult' if anything. Rapists get off pretty easily anyways.

I think it's great that women stand up and get them sentenced. Though, I personally wouldn't say anything to the police. Not because I'd be too scared, but I don't have that much faith in 'justice'. What's the average time rapists do in prision? Is it a year or something? I don't see a year being that long, to be honest. I doubt they are commonly known to stop raping people. Actually.. they could also plot a revenge on me if they found out who I was... O_O Knowing my luck... Anyways,

My mother used to work in the law industry and she saw files where people just got worse and worse with their crimes. E.g, they'd flash a woman, then as they got older sexually harrass a woman, then rape a woman.. kind of thing. In a lot of the things she read, it wasn't just a random thing they started doing.

[Just read what General Cox said about men getting raped, which is what I repeated and can't be bothered to get rid of, sorry about that].
If you're drunk, you tend to seem wobbly and a bit out of it. That might be one of the clues?
Don't you need evidence of forceful contact also (or is that just in some cases they request that)? Certain type of bruising or something...
I don't think the drunk thing would be that common, would it? O_o.

I'm so angry, I've just remembered there was this paedophile who had a whole gang of paedophiles and everything (Charlie Cook, I thnk he was called) and what fools the police were to let him go and they couldn't find him again, I think he even escaped jail or something. Either way, he went and they didn't know where he went and I dunno if they still don't know, but that's sick >_< Lol, I don't dislike the police, by the way... there's not much they can do about that stuff, I guess.
My uncle's a policeman ^^

[akin_t]

... Women cannot 'rape' men (I think they probably can rape boys, though), they are only sentenced for 'sexual assult' if anything. Rapists get off pretty easily anyways.

Well I don't believe women can even rape boys (I'm talking boys above 10) unless there's some cooperation (which there usually is), however, people still blow some things out of proportion. I mean a female teacher was let go without jail time after messing around with her 14 yr old male student; because of that, people (mostly male activists) all over the place are complaining its because she's a woman, what the don't want to admit is that male rapists/child molesters are a bigger problem than female ones.

Well I don't know what they were complaining about, although she did get off easy (minimum for the offence is 5 yrs in jail) she is under house arrest for 3 yrs, can't teach anymore (that's punishment enough if you ask me), and she's on some kind of probabtion.

In essence, male rapists are a bigger problem than female ones. I mean you'll never here of a woman forcefully having her way with a boy, the boy always co operates and then the woman gets charged just because he is not 18, when I was 14 I knew how to take responsibilty for my actions, if the victim was willing then IMO the perpetrator shouldn't be charged, the age of consent in the US is just too high.

[_strangechild_]

I think that all rapists (or all that I've heard of) get off bloody easy. Poor prisions don't have enough money to keep all the weirdos in. A few years ago or something roughly 2,000 paedophiles were not in jail in the UK, simply because they had no space or they couldn't afford it.

Oh well, I think her life is ruined enough anyways. I wouldn't bother protesting.. unless it was my son, perhaps, lol.

Many people at 14 can't make those kind of decisions, they're too young. A fifteen-year-old shot himself because a woman went back with her husband. They can also be very vunerable at that age, whether they knew it at the time or not. They're also too young to be having sexual relationships. I think the age for when you can have sex legally is fine (it's 16 here though). If we lowered it I don't think it'd decrease the amount of teenage pregnancies and other stuff.

[FascionViktem5k]

Rape is defined as the unlawful sexual intercourse of any kind by force or threat

in order for it to be rape... someone must have had the "intercourse" part of it... so basically for a guy it would be anally raped... and yes.. women can rape men... i just don't want to know how... or what they use...

strangechild... 16 really? in NY it's 17 for girls and 18 for guys... to LEGALLY have sex... which is not to say they don't do it at a younger age... i don't know why it's older for guys...

akin ... the reason why the age is high is because most teenagers can be easily manipulated... and be forced to "like it" ... even when they don't.... and i say most... not all! but most.. which is sad but true... so i think the age is high just for that purpose... like that 15 yr old buy strangechild talked about... women can be very cruel and manipulating! *cries for being a girl*

[General Cox]

why 17 for girls and 18 for boys? seems a bit sexist tbh :/ (i know you dont know btw, just retorical, though if anyone can answer it then please do ^_^)

lol girls have it easy when i comes to that, imagine waking up every day and looking at yet another rape trial or brutal murder made by a guy in the paper, it annoys me that there are people of my own sex doing this. Tbh i think we should find a big feild and give me a machine gun with lots of bullets :)

well, techically women cant rape boys since there is no legal term for it, it cannot be brought against them >.< but if you mean the act, then yes it is able to be done, just look at the scrawnyest guy youv seen and compare that to the butchest girl youv ever seen. Of course its a hell of a lot harder this way so it is very rare. Women are more into supergluing mens bits up these days and stuff like that, which i think should be made a higher offence >.<

[Zephyrite]

TOO MUCH ABOUT RAPE!! anyways, on one side I think women are better because the guys all slobber over them(I should know, I am one!). On the other side, the men have it better because they hold 90% of the worlds property. I dunno, I would have to say with much thought that women are better.(If I said anything else, my friends would kick my ass lol)

[akin_t]

Yeah I understand that there's no such term as "woman raping man" it was just the act I was addressing. Well to be honest, the difference in age of consent in some places is fine with me, as it doesn't neccessarily make a difference who's having sex or not. I really get disgusted hearing about some of the things that men do, I mean raping an eleven yr old !!?? (it happened here recently, well the trial was recent but the incident happened a while ago) why not go for someone older? perhaps they don't have the balls to try that with a woman who might be able to fight back, who knows? whatever the reason is, I'm glad they get 25 to life here in the US for doing that to girls that age. Can you imagine that they even kill them after raping them? I mean who knows what life had in store for that girl? and he just took it all away.

[adema]

I'm going to disagree with Zephyrite and say men are better. Sorry ladies but it seems to me that guys know how to have more fun then girls.

Plus there so emotional

[akin_t]

I'm going to disagree with Zephyrite and say men are better. Sorry ladies but it seems to me that guys know how to have more fun then girls.

Plus there so emotional

I am akin_t, and I approve of the above message. lol seriously you're right about guys knowing how to have a good time, some girls do too but most of the ones I know are so boring to hangout with, they don't wanna try anything new and they're too concious about what others think of them I mean that conciousness was so middle school (grade 7 and grade 8 for those of you in europe)

[Injektilo]

Hah, the wierd thing is that for those of us in Europe (Well some of at least) don't know what that means either, we use Primary years 1-7 then Secondary 1-6 and know not of your random and bizzare schooling system!

Women are better, I had a compelling argument that swept aside both opposition to my beliefs and dashed the plots of my enemies, swaying them to my side and forging them into an invincible and above all, loyal army to conquer the world with. No exaggeration, my argument was seriously that good, but akin_t ruined it all by making me try to work out what age you'd be in this so-called "Grade 7" and thus I forgot it, damn you akin_t... That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. :redbiggri

[akin_t]

lol;:p [offtopic for a while here, I thought you guys had only primary years of 1-6, and then secondary years were 1-6 as well, some schools refer to grade 7 as secondary year 1, and grade 8 as secondary year 2 the pattern goes on]

OK, back on topic so err which side is better off again :confused:

[janti]

I followed this thread a bit and i haven't found one decent argument for one of the sexes being the better one. All and all it's just a silly question.

[Injektilo]

Well, we have P1-7 that's set and you have to go to, then 4 compulsory years of Secondary, at the end of which you do your standard grades, then in fifth year you do higher grades, then in sixth year you do more highers and maybe some advanced highers which are like 1st year University level. I went through 5 years, got to 6th year, thought it'd be cool, the school stole the money we were collecting to buy a pool table for the common room and bought a carpet with it, I got bored/stressed so packed it in. I know that England has a totally different system from us, but that confuses me so bleh.

Incidentally, that was a strange little tangent, here are some arguments why being a woman is better: They live longer, They mature faster and thus have more years of "peak performance", they deal with stuff like school better (Since it comes at a better time in terms of emotional development) and they render males unnecessary (Sperm can be frozen for ages, and tonnes of it is produced, artificial childbirth is iffy, women could eradicate us and take over the world and still be able to make more humans for thousands of years, we couldn't do the same)

[akin_t]

Well we could if we extracted ova's and put fertilized zygotes in incubators for 9 months, but that would be too freaky

[FascionViktem5k]

Honestly.. we all know by now my opinion on this... but i would not be able to live without a man... i'm sorry... but i think my man has a better understanding of me emotionally than any of my girlfreinds... which is sad.. yet not.. so i would never want to eradicate men... and besides... whose gonna be there to support us when we're carrying that baby in the tummy?!?! i'm sure as heck not gonna want no woman to help... i like my man!!!

by the way girls rule... but men have a lesser standard they have to keep up... it shall be a matter of time before that happens...

in Bulgaria the school system is 1-11... well now it's 12... and then University... 4 years average... so you'll have everyone from grade 1-12 in one school... which isn't that bad at all! i like it!!! and then i came here...... lol!

so yeah... let's just keep talking... i like this! this is good!! yay!!! this thread wasn't like the evil one everyone thought it would be!!!

[General Cox]

i thought this was about who was better in social situations, not who was best overall :p

tbh, i must say i dont understand women at all, they make so much out of very little things, also its ok if you are on their good side, the minute you are no a womans bad side, the amount of *****ing is unreal, with guys its pretty much an i dont like you and they dont talk, but women kinda go along with it and just ***** behind their back >.<

Then again guys can be immature in the eyes of girls, what they dont see is we are just having fun and we dont care ^_^ Guys are definately more violent though, and more prone to getting put in jail :p

[_strangechild_]

Not all women do that and I know plenty of guys who do that also.

I don't and haven't had an argument like that. If I REALLY don't like someone, I'm either civil or I won't talk to you... ever (sometimes I will if you ask me for something like a pen ^^). I won't b**** about you to others, if anything I'm most likely to stick up for you, whether I like you or not. I tell them why I'm not talking to them, give a good reason, hear what they think, it usually doesn't make a difference to my decision of not talking to them and there you have it.

There's this girl called Gabby, she was not at all nice to me, I barely ever spoke to her, though she hung out with my old mates (they're still my friends, I just don't hang around with them). My mates ALWAYS spoke about her in a bad way when she was gone, saying how she's a liar and all.. but I always stuck up for her, until she was a total cow to me one day and then after that I didn't even say anything during their conversations about her.
GUYS!! I was hanging with my mates (all male) and they have a MASSIVE b****ing about people. Especially going on about how all these girls were sluts and saying what happened at parties and things like that, I've never heard a more horrible conversation when it comes to people talking about people behind their backs. O_O

HA HA, you should see the amounts of fights I have with people.. but we never fall out or if we do, about two minutes later it's like it never happened. I love that.

I'm touchy in a sense that I hate being touched (especially on the hair or shoulders) at certain points and more so by certain people. I don't like hugs from a lot of people either, I don't know why. I only don't mind hugs from one person out of all my friends, really =P It's not that I prefer him more to my other mates. I just.. don't like hugs much... Anyways, I can't stand people touching me when I don't want to be touched.
This guy ALWAYS touches me when he walks past, IT'S SO ANNOYING!!

This other guy also pokes girls at the side of their waist, that annoys people. I don't appreciate my stuff being stolen or taken without my permission either, I don't care what it is. No one steals from me and gets away without being hurt physically. I'm actually quite violent when it comes to people doing that. I beat up my mate, Dan G, for stealing my joker card =P I'm the only girl to have beaten him up. Go me.

[General Cox]

remind me not to touch your hair if i come down south at all then :p

i probably had a rant because it happend the other day to me and my mate. My ex's two best friends decided to evesdrop in our conversation and picked out all the points we had made and somehow refered them to my ex, saying that my friend called her a slut when we werent talking about her >.< she really is into stirring and really isnt a very nice person (i normally dont say this of people) and my ex knows this and still is friends with her because it is easier :/

and since when was the noun for a female dog a bad word? :/

anywho that was all a bit off topic, sorry ^_^

[akin_t]

Haha, I know alot of girls who don't like being touched at all, some of my friends still don't understand it though :rolleye09.

Anyway, I do know girls who just love attention. Sometimes they make a big deal out of nothing; like if a guy accidently touches them somewhere he isn't meant to. I know the guy who did it, and he isn't like that at all. It was an honest accident, but because she wanted to feel like her friends who actually do get touched she started *****ing about it in public.

On the other hand though, I don't like it when girls come to offer hugs to me like it's my duty to accept it from them, my friend's girlfriend had a crush on me and she always wanted to be touchy feely with me. It's not like I thought I was betraying my friend if I did, as it really isn't anything to be touchy feely, it's just that I only like being touchy with people I really don't understand it when some girls think they can just smile and start cuddling up with people :confused:

[_strangechild_]

and since when was the noun for a female dog a bad word? :/
I know... That's what I thought. O_o.

Stupid. When I say I don't want to be touched, don't even touch me as a joke. It's not funny and if I'm in a bad mood anyway I'll snap at you or if you're a good friend I'll hold in my anger but will not talk to you until I properly calm. Lol, I hate it so much. Sometimes I don't mind.

Ha ha! I hate it. The guy who pokes girls on the side is so annoying. Me and my mate do it to him now and he HATES IT. He's stopped doing it now ^^ We carry on though, PAY BACK!!
Yeah. I mean.. I'm not a hug person, so don't ask me. The only person I hug is a 'touchy feely' person. I've denied his hugs about 100 times (I'm not joking, I probably have) but you know, he gets the most hugs. ^^

I don't like when you don't feel comfortable with a person and they're all best buddies with you and hugging you, kissing you and stuff like that and it's like, "Get off" ha ha. Met a girl like that once.. She wouldn't leave me alooooone [Cries]. Like.. making jokes about stuff and okay, it was funny.. then when she overused the joke and commented on stuff about me I was like, "... O_O Go away". Nah, she's lovely really. I speak to her quite often. I knew she was a nice person, but I don't tend to like to get comfortable with people I just meet.

I don't like the types of guys who think they're soooooo nice. They come up to you all full of themselves thinking you're gonna throw yourself at them because of the babe magnets they are. BAH!! I went to this guy's house (I didn't even wanna go - my mate's best mate) and he was SO annoying, I'm horrible to him - I admit, but he doesn't get that, he really thinks I really, really like him and I never have liked him in any way. He sleeps around a lot and so I guess he's around girls who fall at his feet, but still!! What a fool. I don't like him. This other guy (on MSN though) was all:

Guy: Hey. I'm single.
Me: ... Okay... what's that got to do with me?
Guy: Jus' thought you'd be interested.
Me: Lol, no. Why'd I be interested?
[I got BLOCKED].

Ha ha.

Oh, by the way. I also agree that guys have less standards to look up to.

[FascionViktem5k]

..... i feel so bad now... cuz i'm a touchy feely person... well. actually... no i'm not.. i'm a huggy person.. I LOVE HUGS!!! hug me!! lol! it's just me.. but i don't like it when this one guy like comes up to me and like puts his hand on my back and on my arm to get my attention... thost are the places where i feel threatened.. i almost attacked him one time.. but when i realized it was him.. i stopped.. and he understood... no more back touchy!!! but if i'm with my boyfreind you'll see a lot of touchy... and no not in those areas of the body! except for the butt.. i like grabbing his and squeezing... it's fun!!! lol! but it is true a lot of girls don't like it when ppl are touchy feely... except for me for some reason.. i'm their exception to the rule.. i guess it's cuz i'm a girl too.. and i'm not really that threatening.. considering i'm 5'4" and i weigh 110 lbs.... not threatening at all... lol!

[akin_t]

Lol, I don't think guys or girls feel threatened by other girls. it's just that some people just don't want to be touchy feely at that moment when some is trying to be. I mean one time I really screwed up during bball practice at school and my coach was giving me a hard time, after going to the dorms and having a shower i came back to school to just hang out; all of a sudden this girl comes (she's all smiles by the way) and tries to sit on my lap and start that whole touchy feely moment, but i wasn't just down for that at the moment I was still pissed at my coach. but nonetheless I didn't scare her away. just because I'm pissed off doesn't mean I should take it out on others

[FascionViktem5k]

you wouldn't even accept a hug?!?! c'mon! hugs fix everything!!! lol! i know i'm just b/sing.. but they make me feel better... especially during registration week... in college... lol!

[akin_t]

Well I did accept it, but I'd rather she left me alone at that moment that's all. and don't worry I know hugs feel nice, you should see me around someone I'm in love with. :rolleyes: lol

[FascionViktem5k]

oh don't even get me started! i'm like all over my boyfreind! my freinds hate it when we're together! but they put up with it anyway... it's like a bad movie.. you hate it.. but you watch it anyway! and enjoy it! lol!

[jagged]

Meh i'd say girls have more of an opprotunity because they are seen higher then males. The reason I believe this is because that they have the argument of saying that they dont have the rights of men. So if they truly wanted to fight for what they wanted they could. They also avoid the draft unlike males which can be quite smart (im talking about in america i dont really know about european country rules, I'm American so yeah). I also think that women have the better ability to multitask rather then men even though I do like 4 things at once without realizing it later on. (for example me playing guitar while writing this and playing EVE and talking on msn.) anyways I'd say girls just have more opprotunity.....

NOW THE CON of being a girl. I'd say that most girls have to watch out more for idiotic men. They also of course have their periods like said before. And I also think that having birth may be a good thing but to a guy its the scariest thing ever unless they are ready and the women have all that pain :sad: . And i sorta like being a guy its pretty easy going not much to think about and even though im pressured to do things in school im pretty good at ignoring peeps unlike many girls that seem to feel they need to certain things make up ect.

anyways im talking to much and say hello to DOMO KUN :doindadom

[_strangechild_]

Ha. I decline hugs all the time, really. No matter what kind of sad face you pull, I can be cold like that when I want to be. I'm not mean to the person, I just say something like, "[Shakes head] Nah, I'm not in the mood, cheers" or something. My mate goes off to cry when I do that, ha ha, saying something like "FINE! GOSH! It's not like YOU'RE the only one who needs cheering up!!". He's so silly.

Good points, Jagged.
Lol, yeah... me, I have problems at school and such, then I have GIRL PROBLEMS! Having a period sucks. At first, I didn't see what the fuss was about 'cause when I started I had no problems other than something that felt like a wee stomach ache but more recently I'll have to take off two days of school and things because I'm in too much pain to do anything and I feel faint and such. It's horrible. I'm going to the doctors about it soon, see if they have any advice because for the future, who's gonna want to hire somebody who takes roughly two days off work every month? =(
Anyways, as for make-up, I don't wear any =D I'M NATRUALLLL, I don't even have as much as my ears pierced. =P

[FascionViktem5k]

I don't even have as much as my ears pierced. =P


WAT!?!?! my mom pierced my ears when i was like 10 months old.... no fair!! but now they'll never close up... lol!

make up.. sometimes.. the thing that bothers me most about being a girl is the standards we have to keep up... like i wanna get my navel pierced.. and like everyone i know (mostly older women) are like "no, people don't like that, they'll look down on you blah blah" ... annoying really... but it's like... true in a sense... because in a really well off occupation.. once someone sees you have a tattoo or something... they'll treat you a bit differently... for women anyway.. i dunno about guys.. but yeah... i concur!! periods suck... and that horrible smell that comes with it! ugh! guys.. feel lucky you have no such thing!

[_strangechild_]

Ha, shame. My mum thinks it's better to make sure your child WANTS a piercing rather than piercing their ears at a really young age.

My friend looks mega gothic stylee, his hair gelled up in spikes and everything (he looks so cool, though - ha) and he was getting this award that meant so much to him and they told him they'd give it to him BACK STAGE because they thought he'd scare people. That was so cruel. He was so upset in a pissed off way that he trashed the award. =( He was looking forward to it so much. So, guys do get treated like that also.

Indeed. =P

[Shaehl]

If you make yourself look like some kind of psycho, you have to expect to be treated like one. Isn't that why they freakify themselves anyway? Because they want to be "different" or "rebellious" or "unique"? Then they get mad when someone actually does treat them differently.

[_strangechild_]

No.
He does not look scary. Well, not in my opinion! And he's not a freak, thank you very much. >_<
He doesn't do it to be 'different' or 'rebellious'. It's just how he reflects himself through appearence. I don't think you should be so prejudice.

[Esedess]

I respect people who can jus be themselves, regardless of if it fits into any fad or not. It is the people who try their very hardest to be 'different' that get on my nerves, and unfortunately you'll find more and more of these frauds.
I try not to judge people at all, unless they are prejudiced. I at least try to get to know these human fleshbags ^^

[Shaehl]

Tch, it has nothing to do with prejudice. In my mind, there is no good reason to make yourself look like that. The fact is, in our society doing stuff like that makes you look like a punk. I'm not suprised they thought he'd scare people. If you don't want to be treated different, don't go out of your way to make yourself different. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Lonyar]

Even thought I'm a guy I would prefer to be a girl because I would like to dress up nice. The other night I was thinking about marriage, than I thought my god, the guy is wearing a black tuxedo, what a surprise o.o and the lady SOO PRETTY! She gets to put on make up =D I like to dress up.. nicely =D

[thief.13]

i don't really know which is the better sex.because both sexes have their share of idiots and great people.
but since i'm a girl i think being a girl is way cooler. nowadays, girls have more freedom than most guys. we can freely express our emotions and not be called a sissy. and when we do stuff that most males usually do, we're called tough. although there's still a lot of sexual discrimination going on, i think it goes both ways for girls and guys. not like before when there was more discrimination against females.
but what really sucks about being a girl is the monthly period. when i was in high school i go to the school clinic every month, because of the cramps and the migraines.
and midol doesnt even help. one time i had to take more than 750 mg of mefenamic acid to cure the headache and the cramps.

[FascionViktem5k]

holy crap theif! that's not normal! go see a doctor for that!!!

and i just wanted to add this in here in case you guys didn't know: women in companies are still being paid less than the male employees of the same company...

i don't know exactly which companies.. i just know it's done... so... again... i still think men have it better in this society... and besides.. you guys are less likely to be overpowered and raped and killed... whereas we as women need like peppespray and all that crap... which really sucks

and Shaehl i think strangechild was simply trying to say that the guy with the peircings sees himself like that so he want's to express himself like that... kinda like make-up.. we oursevles with red cheecks and blue eyeshadow and blah blah... so we paint our faces with make-up!

PS: guys... there's make-up out for you too now! go!!! go frolack in the colorfully goodnes!!!! lol!

[thief.13]

i already had myself checked.and anyway, i'm not the worst case.i know someone who actually fainted because of the pain.anyway, she's taking medicine whenever she has her period.my mom had horrible cramps and headaches too, but they subsided after her first pregnancy.

about the thing you said of rape and stuff, well, i think i read a book by michael crichton where the guy was the one who was sexually harassed.i can't really remember the whole story. i think that other guys get sexually harassed too and it's worse for them because society has already accepted that only girls get s