[Manga Spoilers] Ulquiorra & Others vs. Ichigo & Others in Hueco Mundo

[Nowitzki]

In Ch. 315 on the Manga, Ulquiorra calls Ichigo to come to him. Ichigo races towards Ulquiorra, but it is painfully obvious that Ichigo will not be able to beat Ulquiorra alone (despite him charging by himself). Most likely, others will join Ichigo in his fight with Ulquiorra. If anything happens in the manga to make this thread faulty in anyway, it will be closed.

So, we have Ulquiorra on one side, along with potentially any other Arrancar we've seen (Yammy).

On the other side, we have Ichigo, along with several Captains and fighters who could make a difference.

So for the pool of Ichigo's help, we have any combination out of:

Zaraki Kenpachi
Unohana Retsu
Kurotsuchi Mayuri
Kuchiki Byakuya (last we saw of him, he was injured)

Other potential fighters:
Chad, Ishida, Renji, Rukia, + Vice Captains, Dondo/Pesshe

Wild cards:
Grimmjow, Nell (dependent on if she can find the emotion to return to her adult form or somehow is reverted to it), Gantenbein (was healed by Unohana).

Discuss.

[Verve]

I don't really see Ulquiorra winning this one, I know he triumphs over ichigo, no question about it.

However I don't see him taking on all those opponents, if they are smart enough to triple are quarduple team him, I really hope moronic ichigo doens't give this speech about his honor or anything, and wants to take him 1on1.

If it's true Unohana is indeed high tier like most of us think, I don't think he has a chance.

[Chi]

If Zaraki or Byakuya gets healed up they're the only ones i think who can be any kind of help in this one, well maybe Unohana too but its highly unlikely.

[Zanga]

Kenpachi will solo him. With his fists.



On a serious note, with Ichigo, Byakuya, Kenpachi, Unohana and Mayuri, I think they can even give Espada uno a run for his money. But right now Kenpachi is half dead, Byakuya can't use his right arm and leg, Mayuri is just weird and Unohana is busy healing the two...so.


Ulquiorra is godly cool and all, but since Ichigo is charging by himself, I'm assuming he's going to win. Don't ask how.

[Verve]

Ichigo has no chance, However Ogichi on the other hand does. Ulquiorra, stated that at ichigo's highest peak its higher than its own, pretty sure he's talking about ichigo's inner hollow,BUT there is also a problem with that.

We can't conclude if Ulquiorra, was talking about his reiatsu at the moment unreleased, or released reiatsu.

[Undying]

Wait, what happened to Yammy/Wanderweiss/Loli/Menoly? Not to mention there may be more Privaron.

Ganbetein may choose to fight on the bad side, as well.

So it's Ulqiorra/Yammy/Wanderweiss/Lolli/Menoly confirmed on the baddies' side against wounded Byakuya/heavily wounded Kenpachi/Unohana/Mayuri.

Yammy would most likely solo the VCs/other players that aren't captain class (Isane/Rukia/Hanatarou), so it's Ulqiorra lone against Ichigo and Wanderweiss looking pretty in the background.

Now there are two options...

1, Ulqiorra solos Ichigo as should be, *****slaps Zaraki, wtfpwns Byakuya, and beats up Unohana after releasing (he will get a shoulder cramp from slapping people away).

2, Ichigo goes "I'll save my friends and it grants me absolute power or lurve and candies" and beat Ulqiorra.

Option one pls.

There exists a third option, which is Ulqiorra not choosing to fight, but I believe it's unlikely based on: A. Ulq called Ichigo to come to him. B. Ulq won't betray Aizen. C. Ichigo will have to fight Ulq since he "hurt his friends".

[Minielf]

Ulquiorra and the remaining Arrancar in HM are definitely not going to WTFpwn the heroes trapped in HM. Yammy is definitely going to be taken out by Chad, with some help from either Ishida or Renji. The remaining fraccion (if there are any) could be easily dealt with by the VCs and Rukia. Wonderweiss, assuming he actually does fight, would be the perfect opponent for Unohana to demonstrate her awesome skills. As for Ulquiorra himself...well I agree that Ichigo is unlikely to win without Ogichi appearing and some serious plotkai, but if Kenpachi, Byakuya and Mayuri team up with Ichigo, they'll definitely be more than a match for Ulquiorra.

[Nowitzki]

@Undying - I truthfully didn't think it mattered (Ulquiorra doesn't need help) but I added it anyway.

[Undying]

Ulqiorra won't need help against Ichigo alone, since it's naturally obvious that he's supposed to be a hundred times stronger, if he raping of Ichigo is any indication. But if Ichigo/Zaraki/Byakuya/Unohana/Neliel/Grimmjow/Chad/Ganbetein/Ishida/Mayuri/Renji/Nemu/Isane/Rukia all gang on him. He will be crushed under the sheer number of people - he would most likely kill each with a strike, but delaying him for a second is what it takes to land a blow with enough power.

[SenpaiRetsu]

here we go with this. i'm glad it's a formal thread.

byakuya or unohana could solo him with a difficult fight.

Ichigo should stand no chance but he has the greatest power on his side, plotkai.

Mayuri would get owned if Ulq took his seriously, but Ulq being a dumbass would stand with his hands in his pocket and let mayuri release bankai. after that he'd be dead cuz he'd probably try to pwn Mayuri's caterpiller bare handed. He's dumb like that because like maybe obbywon or decado said, people can sense people riatsu's level and he'd figure Mayuri's riatsu isn't nearly as strong as Ichigo's so he'd let Mayuri get his best shot in thinking he'd easily pwn it. by then it'd be too late. But of course if Aizen told him what Mayuri's bankai is then Ulq would just pwn him to oblivion without even taking out his sword.

Kenpachi could do well with Ichigo, Kendo Zaraki has a powerful swing, if Ichigo could distract Ulq Zaraki might be able to get a shot in. but Zaraki's mobility is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Ulq's. Not even a comparison. Zaraki would need some help from Ichigo's speed.


Byakuya solo's him because though Byakuya is 10X more fragile than Ulq. Ulq has no defense for SKY like most people have no defense for SKY. The only way to beat SKY is to have an uber riatsu so that it can't cut you. I don't think Ulq's riatsu is that strong because it's no stronger than Ichigo's and Ichigo was cut by SKY. No one is faster than SKY indefinitely. It can be avoided for a short period of time and that's about it. O and let's not forget Byakuya is a kidou master. Until Ulq demonstrates anything Byakuya>Ulq

Unohana, sends 11th squad, hollow death squad running for their lives with a glance. Watches Aizen one-shot Hitsugaya and doesn't show the slightest bit of fear. When it was potentially her vs. 2 captains. Ulq poses no threat to her. Sure the evidence is purely circumstantial but there is a reason these things happend.

[G3nera]

2, Ichigo goes "I'll save my friends and it grants me absolute power or lurve and candies" and beat Ulqiorra.


Sadly i think this is the most likely outcome. I dont see Zaraki and Byakuya teaming up (they hate one another). Though in the panel when stark vanishes we see both Zaraki and Ichigo swinging there swords down (maybe a forshadowing of them teaming up against Ulquiorra?). But Zaraki teaming up with anyone is still unlikely. I really doubt Unohana will fight, even if she did i think she would lose seeing Ulquiorra is most likely a VL and she would only fight if everyone else was incapable of fighting(eg. lying on the floor near death).

But once again we all know its gonna be Ichigo vrs Ulquiorra, where ichigo will be losing and most likely get a plotkai powerup due to his hollows side (Ulquiorra sensed its power when they first met it seems obvious to me that it was a forshadowing of them fighing in the future).

[DarkSlayer]

I voted for Ichigo & others, but I'm still unsure.

Plot wise, you know Ichigo and the others will eventually have to win.

The question being is how?

Personally I'd love to see Ulquiorra pull a Byakuya and wtfpwn all of them without breaking a sweat, and then have him use his hollow powers to somehow send them back to SS. Like the anime is apparently going to have, a new 3rd Division Captain surfaces, and the group goes back to HM for a rematch. New 3rd Captain dies in the process of trying to fight Ulq with the rest of the group, and Ulq is finally killed by the rest.

That way the new 3rd Captain idea is still incorporated in the manga and the anime doesn't get some random filler arc.

[Vicent]

I Vote Ulquorra... because he is not alone.... and theres still some room for cuarta espada fraccion o fracciones.

[Verve]

here we go with this. i'm glad it's a formal thread.

byakuya or unohana could solo him with a difficult fight.

I don't think byakuya could solo, but If unohana[assuming she's high tier, which is most likely the case] this could be up in the air.

Ichigo should stand no chance but he has the greatest power on his side, plotkai.

He does indeed.

Mayuri would get owned if Ulq took his seriously, but Ulq being a dumbass would stand with his hands in his pocket and let mayuri release bankai. after that he'd be dead cuz he'd probably try to pwn Mayuri's caterpiller bare handed. He's dumb like that because like maybe obbywon or decado said, people can sense people riatsu's level and he'd figure Mayuri's riatsu isn't nearly as strong as Ichigo's so he'd let Mayuri get his best shot in thinking he'd easily pwn it. by then it'd be too late. But of course if Aizen told him what Mayuri's bankai is then Ulq would just pwn him to oblivion without even taking out his sword.

This could be possible, but unlikely although, Ulqui would probably sit there, Mayuri is one of those type of guys, being a scientists, its only in his nature. He would explain everything before he would even take course or action against Ulqui, we saw this during his fight with Ishida.

While it would make a quite succeptible and easy counter for ulqui.

Kenpachi could do well with Ichigo, Kendo Zaraki has a powerful swing, if Ichigo could distract Ulq Zaraki might be able to get a shot in. but Zaraki's mobility is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Ulq's. Not even a comparison. Zaraki would need some help from Ichigo's speed.

This would maybe work, if Ichigo does an excellent job in stalling ulqi. However ichigo's speed wouldn't help zaraki's ability himself, seeing he would atleast need a lucky shot with kendo, and I don't really see Ichigo being able to hold off Ulqi long enough for that to happen.


Byakuya solo's him because though Byakuya is 10X more fragile than Ulq. Ulq has no defense for SKY like most people have no defense for SKY. The only way to beat SKY is to have an uber riatsu so that it can't cut you. I don't think Ulq's riatsu is that strong because it's no stronger than Ichigo's and Ichigo was cut by SKY. No one is faster than SKY indefinitely. It can be avoided for a short period of time and that's about it. O and let's not forget Byakuya is a kidou master. Until Ulq demonstrates anything Byakuya>Ulq

I dont see Byakuya soloing him at all. Ulqi does indeed have a defense for SKY. I am pretty sure Ulqui's reiatsu his quite high, and if he can stop a Vbichigo GT, with one hand he wouldn't have much of a problem with SKY. However if SKY does indeed overpower him with this method, thats where that good ol' sword of his on his side is for. If a bankai ichigo can block it, don't see it being any different with Ulqi.

Unohana, sends 11th squad, hollow death squad running for their lives with a glance. Watches Aizen one-shot Hitsugaya and doesn't show the slightest bit of fear. When it was potentially her vs. 2 captains. Ulq poses no threat to her. Sure the evidence is purely circumstantial but there is a reason these things happend.


We don't have enough evidence, to say Ulquiorra has no chance against her, she may be high tier, we can assume. There may be reasons for Aizen not attacking her, but who knows.

This is all speculation, and where her true power lies, the answer is up in the air.

[G3nera]

byakuya or unohana could solo him with a difficult fight.

I'm sorry but i really don't see what makes you say that. We have no idea of the capabilities of Unohana, all we know is she is near her limit in serveral areas. Byakuya should be weaker then masked Ichigo who got destroyed against a non realesed Ulquiorra. I mean ok maybe theyed win with a difficult fight if they got lucky and Ulquiorrra decided not to release....

[SenpaiRetsu]

I'm sorry but i really don't see what makes you say that. We have no idea of the capabilities of Unohana, all we know is she is near her limit in serveral areas. Byakuya should be weaker then masked Ichigo who got destroyed against a non realesed Ulquiorra. I mean ok maybe theyed win with a difficult fight if they got lucky and Ulquiorrra decided not to release....


I hate to call it plotkai but i think Ichigo beat Byakuya by plotkai. Ichigo defleted SKY only once. unfortunately the fight had to be used to demonstrate Byakuya's three stages of bankai. Let's say for instane when Ichigo deflected SKY and then appeared behind Byakuya. When he tried to stab Byakuya and he caught the sword with his hands, he had the perfect opportunity to bury him with SKY, but instead he switched to Senkei. Ichigo would have soon tired, trying to outrun SKY while Byakuya stood in one place conserving energy. Ichigo would have stood almost no chance. Even a vaizard Ichigo wouldn't fair much better against SKY, he'd be able to move faster but so what? that just means he'd get tired faster. Same result.

No one has had an answer to SKY, i don't see anybody with one now.

[G3nera]

I hate to call it plotkai but i think Ichigo beat Byakuya by plotkai. Ichigo defleted SKY only once. unfortunately the fight had to be used to demonstrate Byakuya's three stages of bankai. Let's say for instane when Ichigo deflected SKY and then appeared behind Byakuya. When he tried to stab Byakuya and he caught the sword with his hands, he had the perfect opportunity to bury him with SKY, but instead he switched to Senkei. Ichigo would have soon tired, trying to outrun SKY while Byakuya stood in one place conserving energy. Ichigo would have stood almost no chance. Even a vaizard Ichigo wouldn't fair much better against SKY, he'd be able to move faster but so what? that just means he'd get tired faster. Same result.

No one has had an answer to SKY, i don't see anybody with one now.

I agree that sky is an extremely powerfull technique but i don't think it will keep up with Ulquiorra (it took a while to catch bankai ichigo and Ulquiorra is faster). As i see it if Byakuya and Ulquiorra went head to head at full power Byakuya would be dead before SKY lands.

[Atrez]

In all truthfulness, I believe Mayuri could crush Ulquiorra all by himself with his epic battle techniques. I mean all he has to do is poison ulquiorra with his bodily poison or use some epic substance that he's been keeping undercover for emergencies or something. Ulquiorra doesn't stand a chance without getting some sort of aliment placed on him.

[The sunlight]

Who says those poinsons will even work on ulquiorra ?
one on one ulq pretty much pwns everyone that is in HM right now.

[Verve]

Who says those poinsons will even work on ulquiorra ?
one on one ulq pretty much pwns everyone that is in HM right now.

Not really, cant say ulqui pwns everyone in HM, when we haven't seen any of Unohana, for all we know she could drop him easily. Ill stand by until then, and won't make false assumptions.

Who knows what she's capable of, quite frankly I think shes a powerhouse myself.

[xxBluebird]

No matter what the odds are, I guess Ichigo [and co.] are going to have to win somehow, otherwise there goes the series, right?

Ichigo will probably get pwned by Ulqy, or win by miracle and hollow-ness [hopefully for more than 11 seconds >_<;; ].
Unohana, being one of the first few captains EVER, would either have to be a kickass healer or a kickass fighter or both. Hopefully/Probably both.
Mayuri probably has a few hundred tricks up his sleeve, including his bankai which either poisons you or crushes you.
Byakuya, although he doesn't have half his limbs, probably doesn't even need to move a muscle to pwn someone with SKY...
Kenpachi... is Kenpachi. Even if he was wounded and half dead and everything, I can't see him just giving up a fight. He'd probably jump into battle anyway. There's Yachiru too, maybe we get to see her fight as well!
I'm probably forgetting people >_< But this group's not going to do too badly against Ulqu and co., whether they're fighting in a group [fat chance with Zaraki] or one by one.

And since there's Unohana and Orihime who are both healers/time-space-thingamabob-healing-thingers, they might be able to heal up everyone who's injured, if given the chance to.