Grnad hollow vs. Yama-jii

[Polygon]

I know your all probaley sick of all these yama-jii topics. But I was curious to whether or not yu think he can take on the grand hollow. I personally think that they are a match for each other opinions?

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

What do you mean by grand hollow? If you mean a gillian (menos grande), then he'd take a huge dump on it. Hitsugaya even stated that any captain would wipe the floor with one of those huge hollows. A battle between him and an ajuca would probably be even. Vastarodes are too powerful for any captain to take on by themself. Although, Toushirou ain't exactly the epitome of captain level strength...so he should just sit down and shut up. J/K

[Polygon]

I mean the big hollow. whose eye is as mig as a menos.

[Samiizz]

am not sure.. cause we never saw that grand hollow guy..
but Yama-jii is VERY powerfull..

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

What if Aizen's goal is to turn that big mofo into an arancar? His soul slayer would literally be the size of a sky scraper.

[Polygon]

What if Aizen's goal is to turn that big mofo into an arancar? His soul slayer would literally be the size of a sky scraper.

That wold be suicide. I believe thaey are working toeghter for some goal, but not that.

[General Cox]

have to see the old mans ban kai before i decided that one, and learn a bit more about how powerful that hollow is

[Sandal Hat]

We haven't seen the grand hollow let alone what it can do but I doubt Aizen would lose to any hollow except for a high class arrancar

[ultimate]

dunno how powerful that grand hollow is but yamamoto is pretty powerful and was able to take on 2 captains at once but havent seen yamamotos bankai yet or how powerful that grand hollow is so its hard to guess...

[janti]

I suspect yama-jii has a Menos Grande for breakfast each morning.
Even Ichigo was a match for it when he didn't know how to perform Zangetsus' shikai.

[Sandal Hat]

I suspect yama-jii has a Menos Grande for breakfast each morning.
Even Ichigo was a match for it when he didn't know how to perform Zangetsus' shikai.
Ichigo fought a Menos Grande. The giant hollow in Hueco Mundo was something else

[Fariswheel]

What giant holllow are we talking about? Could someone say the manga chapter.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

What giant holllow are we talking about? Could someone say the manga chapter.
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/1690/11oo.png

[Fariswheel]

Oh...damn that things huge.

Still, if it would have the same charastics of a normal menos, then it would still be slow and stupid. However if its not a normal hollow then it would be a quite interesting fight.

And which chapter is that?

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Issue 178.

Two things to consider. Firstly, that thing is unknown to Soul Society, indicating that it's an immensely powerful being able to shield itself from Soul Society's knowledge (think about how hard it would be to hide something that big). It also seems, from the image, to be in charge - perhaps the leader of all hollows, with whom Aizen made an alliance.

Secondly, we don't exactly know what that what part of it we're looking at. It could be a mouth, or it could be a single eyelid. Either way, it's much larger than anything we've seen so far - it dwarfs the Menos Grande, so I'd estimate its size to be around that of a small city. That's not the kind of being that dodges well - indeed, that's the kind of being that doesn't need to dodge.

[Fariswheel]

Thanks

1) If its not like a normal Menos Grande, then I would not know how to evaluate it and I could only guess. I was laying out a condition, which if true then the rest of what I said would hold true.

2) Speed it used to hit as well as dodge, if it was unable to hit anyone then Yama - jii could dodge and slowly (a couple years) kill it. However, I suppose that it could devastate a small city with a single attack. So it would be unknown who would win.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

However, I suppose that it could devastate a small city with a single attack.
It could devastate a small city by stepping on it.

[Fariswheel]

However, I don't think that it would be a traditional menos. if you look at the picture that Zangetsu Tensa provided, you'll see that there is not sliver of white that shows up in the back. And we don't even know what color it is or if its a hollow at all. I beleive that it is, but I have no real proof.

[Wren]

Size isnt everything, the old man has crazy power. That giant hallow couldnt compete with him.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Size isnt everything, the old man has crazy power. That giant hallow couldnt compete with him.
He was able to incinerate about a city block by waving his sword. That's impressive, but we're talking about something thousands of times the size of a city block. A bankai increases its weilder's power by approximately 15 times.

15 can't come close to touching a thousand. By this calculation, Yama-jii's bankai would be like a mosquito bite. Just imagine the cero a hollow of that size might unleash - it would be like the apocalypse.

We will need to see that giant hollow in action (if indeed it is a hollow and not something else entirely) in order to gauge its power. It might be the strongest thing ever - it might even be the final enemy. Or it might just be a mindless, brutish pet of Aizen that's big and stupid. I take issue with your quote because you seem to think that Yama-jii's victory is a forgone conclusion - it's not.

Until we see more of both, don't count out either character.

[Fariswheel]

I think that even Yama - jii would have troble with something the size of a small town. And he might win, but it could definatly compete.

[Polygon]

I think it makes sense that they are a draw against each other. Presumabley top of the hollow hierchy and the top of the shinigami branch of SS. Makes sense. And true size isn't shit. I think they might know each other from some time. I believe thay share some history.

[Fariswheel]

Maybe thats how yama-jii got his scars.

And looking back, its possible that any of the captains could have identified it. After all not all of them knew what a beam of negation was.

[Polygon]

Maybe thats how yama-jii got his scars.

And looking back, its possible that any of the captains could have identified it. After all not all of them knew what a beam of negation was.

That very well could be how he got some scars. I don't think all the captians could have identified it. I believe it was onv=ce known by all shinigami( if there even were shinigami) before the academy days back when yama-jii's hair wasn't white or just gray. But over time the grans hollow got so unseen he was forgotten and became even less than a myth. So that even most captians wouldn't know even of the story.

When inside the beam your in another world. I think that only very important hollows would get that treatment from other hollows. Meaning that Aizen probaley has a deal with him.

[Sandal Hat]

Just because it is big doesn't mean it is uber strong (ie menos grande)

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Well, as far as we know, one part of this hollow's body is bigger than an entire menos grande. When you're that big, intelligence no longer has much to do with it. One attack from the thing could probably slaughter hundreds of shinigami (weak to medium in strength). Hell, you'd need a bankai just to do enough damage to make the thing notice you were even there.

[Wren]

Well who knows, most bankai in the SS are big, Yama-jii's could be the size of a 10 story building for all we know.

[Injektilo]

Remember, Shinigami can control the size of their Zanpakutoh, it's necessary so not all the Captains are fighting with sky-scraper sized swords. Think how big Yama-jii's would be. He just returns his Zanpakutoh to full size and kills it in one stroke, and boy, would that look absurd: A little old man holding a city-block sized sword :redbiggri

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

We seem to be forgetting that Hitsugaya said one Vastarode is more powerful than any captain. If this thing is the Lord of Hollows, then Yamamoto will be just as much of an ant to it in power as he is in size. Of course there's no way to confirm the veracity of his statement, but currently it's the only thing we have to go on right now.

[Polygon]

We seem to be forgetting that Hitsugaya said one Vastarode is more powerful than any captain. If this thing is the Lord of Hollows, then Yamamoto will be just as much of an ant to it in power as he is in size. Of course there's no way to confirm the veracity of his statement, but currently it's the only thing we have to go on right now.

True. But we havn't seen even the powers of his shinkai let alone his bankai. And I think he was refering to normal level captians.