I feel a bit sorry for Ichimaru.... [Archive]

Qc0Jh1axT

11-28-2005, 11:38 AM

I was re-reading some of the chapters slowly and savouring fights, expressions, shinigami dress flowing in the wind... and Ichimaru's neverending evil grin.

I came across Chapter 178 where he got taken up into the sky when the menos grande shone their light down on him and he turned around to matsumoto and said something like i'm afraid i gotta go, i wouldn't mind staying a bit longer blabla... and then he said i'm sorry'...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/rabchil/0e50e732.jpg

his expression here is different than his usual evil face and it makes me feel a bit sad....

at the rate things are going right now in the manga, their past is not going to be talked about anymore now. sighhh.......

Raku

11-28-2005, 11:41 AM

I know what you mean.. I didn't think it was possible but he almost look friendly but sad at same time o.O Didn't think it was possible to get sad of that bastard but looks like it's possible XD

Yachiru_chan

11-28-2005, 11:55 AM

Yeah, it almost seems like he has a heart. Hopefully we should get some more revealing facts about people's past soon. If there's too many its plain annoying there's so much we don't know!

Unrefined-Nemesis

11-28-2005, 01:00 PM

Their Past Will Be Shown Sooner Or Later...I Didn't Notice About The Difference About His Face, His Always Grinning So I Got Used To It...It Seems He Is Kinda Sad And Kind In A Way...But He's Still Evil Anyway....

General Cox

11-28-2005, 02:19 PM

its all in the eyes, they are kinda sad to leave matsumoto, but she is the only one who is allowed into the harshness that is his heart

DocInsanity

11-28-2005, 03:03 PM

U might feel sorry for him. but it was his own fault. and u are right the picture does make him feel like he has a heart.

brolijc

11-28-2005, 04:07 PM

who doesn't have a heart... it is just what kind of heart you have

Injektilo

11-28-2005, 05:59 PM

To be fair, even if he didn't want to go, he didn't have much choice, Aizen must've revealed his plot back when Ichimaru was a VC, and if Ichimaru turned on him at any point... well, he'd be slaughtered. I like the idea that Ichimaru isn't totally reprehensible (I'm OK with him being a badguy) it makes him more interesting.

Kyouka Suigetsu

11-28-2005, 07:57 PM

I feel sorry for him too. I mean, how can you see with eyes like that? It would seriously piss me off at the world too.

Seriously though, I don't think Gin is as evil as everyone makes him out to be. He's definitely twisted but many people end up that way in life due to unfortunate circumstances. Matsumoto is probably the only light in his world, which makes me wonder why he'd let her go. Maybe he has to find some answers on his own, but that might be giving him too much credit. I bet their next meeting will be a very emotional one with an even more emotional conclusion.

His parting expression with Matsumoto wasn't the only thing that made me doubt what kind of person he is. His expression when he saw that Byakuya had taken Shinsou instead of Rukia wasn't correct for a sadist. He should've had one helluva grin on after that. It was more like an apologetic oops. Perhaps only I picked up on that, but it's good enough for me.

Sir_unforgiven

11-28-2005, 08:02 PM

who doesn't have a heart... it is just what kind of heart you have
aizen doesn't, um...most hollow don't um...maybe a couple of the captains

Kyouka Suigetsu

11-28-2005, 08:03 PM

Aizen is also one of the few characters I think are purely evil.

GeneYuss

11-28-2005, 08:44 PM

Honestly? I think Ichimaru is going to turn on Aizen in the end. Probably something to do with Matsumoto. *Imagines*

*Hitsugaya lies on floor*
Matsumoto: Captain!
*Rushes over*
Aizen: Since you like him so much, I think I'll grant you the same thing I gave him..
*Raises sword*
*Is impaled by Ichimaru*
Aizen: Ichi..Maru...???
Ichimaru: Sorry, Captain. She comes first.

Hmmm, admittedly my script needs work, but it would fit..

Injektilo

11-28-2005, 09:20 PM

D'you know GeneYuss, that's exactly my thinking. Great minds think alike, or maybe Ichimaru fanboys think alike? ;)

Either way, Ichimaru has to become more major, this guy is my favourite character in anything, EVER that's not a novel written by Terry Pratchett, he's just too cool to be squandered as a lackey of the big bad guy.

Fariswheel

11-28-2005, 09:32 PM

I think that its more likely that Ichimaru will take a hit for Matsumoto, than actually backstab Aizen. Also remember that Ichimaru is affected by Aizen's Shikai. I believe his ability must have afected Ichimaru by some amount.

GeneYuss

11-28-2005, 10:16 PM

brolijc

11-28-2005, 10:25 PM

yup i think that Gin would backstab Aizen too, for Masumoto's sake :)

Sir_Unforgiven: errr Aizen do have a heart... like i said it is what type of heart you have... Aizen has a evil heart... Hollows do have heart too, just that it feels empty and lonely... when i say heart i meant emotions...

Fariswheel

11-28-2005, 10:27 PM

No, hollows do not have a heart. Thats the symbolism of the hole through their chests, their hearts are gone.

Qc0Jh1axT

11-29-2005, 09:29 AM

and remember when ichimaru was fighting with hitsugaya? hitsugaya dodged ichimaru's sword while it was heading for hinamori and matsumoto blocked it. matsumoto's sword was barely able to hold back ichimaru's sword. her sword was already cracking from the pressure. ichimaru could've killed matsumoto easily but he didn't. that's because he didn't want to. imagine that! he's someone who does not hesitate to kill ANYONE at all in soul society, but he spared matsumoto easily.

so romantic.

Ace

11-29-2005, 04:36 PM

Rofl Id be pissed to with those eyes. And even though I am a Gin fanboy he's a dumass. I mean for pete's sake look at her jugs I wouldnt mind that. Mabye he can't see her boobs, seems likely :D

Kyouka Suigetsu

11-29-2005, 05:01 PM

I don't think that hollows truly don't have a heart. They've just lost all touch with their humanity. It's not like they can't fight against their current situation and prevail in certain circumstances (Orihime's brother). I think by saying they don't have hearts it just makes it all the more easier to destroy them. A similar misconception is the Homoculi in Fullmetal Alchemist. They say they have no souls and the first half makes this very convincing, but anyone who's seen the entire things knows this seems wrong. Greed's sacrifice in order to prepare Ed for battle with others, Lust's alliance with Ed to see whether or not her life has any meaning and to fight against Dante, and Gluttony's reaction to hearing about Lust's death. Even Ed starts to doubt that they're nothing more than "soulless shells."

Sandal Hat

11-29-2005, 10:51 PM

I say hollow have no heart because the place where there is usually a heart there isn't one

ArchFate

11-29-2005, 11:07 PM

The way I see it, Hollows HAD a heart. As a person they had a heart. When they were corrupted by the true evil they lost all hold on humanity. As a hollow unless you activly fight against it you are not human. The Shinigami are ex-humans or spirits. The hollows are corupt versions of spirits. Therefore, by logic, a hollow has a heart when it is itself.

sniperz

11-30-2005, 12:52 AM

i wonder if he lost to ichigo's team lol as in defeat of gin in one battle soon :p

Sandal Hat

11-30-2005, 12:58 AM

It depends on what you define as a heart. On a phsyical level no hollows have a heart and I don't see how they can show there feelings without being themselves(ix Sora was completely changed after he became a hollow)

Kyouka Suigetsu

11-30-2005, 01:45 AM

I wonder if Gin felt betrayed when Matsumoto stopped Shinsou. His expression was like "what...why". Maybe he really does love her. The "sorrry" seems to support that as well.

Qc0Jh1axT

11-30-2005, 03:38 AM

I wonder if Gin felt betrayed when Matsumoto stopped Shinsou. His expression was like "what...why". Maybe he really does love her. The "sorrry" seems to support that as well.

Ehhh!!! Of course he loves her. it's so obvious! the only person in the entire SS he was kind to was matsumoto.

and you know what i think? matsumoto always says she hates it when he doesn't tell her anything, and he leaves without saying where he's going. i think that he does this because he knows she will say what he's doing is wrong, even if he tells her. and judging from the way he acts, he's just not the sort to go all sappy and emotionally serious. his eyes are in slits because he doesn't want people to look into them and discover the real him.

i know there must be a reason why he's so loyal to aizen. it's just not revealed yet.

ichimaru gin just climbed up higher in rank in my favourite character list. oooohhh !!!

p.s. aizen can die in the grand finale. but what if ichimaru dies too? oh noes!

Hits

11-30-2005, 04:42 AM

matsumotoxichimaru <3<3<3 i never really considered Gin as evil. i do think he is one of those turn-around characters who become good or has good in him already. he might be the one to kill aizen along with ichigo.

Anil

11-30-2005, 05:00 AM

captain_soifon

11-30-2005, 05:07 AM

hmm i think he might turn on aizen though i doubt he could actually do anything to aizen except maybe provide ss with important info

Unrefined-Nemesis

11-30-2005, 09:33 AM

I Have A Strange Feeling In My Gut That Says Ichimaru Will Kill Matsumoto By Mistake And Regret It And Turn Against Aizen As He Will Blame Aizen For Her Death...

DocInsanity

11-30-2005, 09:38 AM

Qc0Jh1axT

11-30-2005, 11:00 AM

has anyone considered the fact that Gin hasn't ACTUALLY killed anyone...?

I find this extremely odd ...don't you?

There is obviously something more going on here... but I will keep my theories to myself...

Erm. But I think he WAS prepared to kill anytime. Although we haven't seen him killing anyone yet, it does not mean he wouldn't. I mean, my point is, he definitely will not hesitate to kill anyone. BUT - he hesitateD to kill matsumoto. so that means she is very special to him. :biggrinlo

DeaTH_TroT

11-30-2005, 03:56 PM

well, i seem to find more good in him than evil. He's one of those dark characters down here with some goodness in him....would love to see him turn gd to assist in takind down aizen

bebe50UL

11-30-2005, 08:22 PM

i never really thought ichimaru was really evil for some reason, well except in the beginning, but i always had a feeling he was one of them characters that seem evil but really they're not. and i guess the Matsumoto thing kinda proved it.

i always thought he was good, and now that thats proven;; hes one of my favourite =]

his eyes are in slits because he doesn't want people to look into them and discover the real him
yeah i really agreed with this one, mayb that's one of the reason why he looks evil.

Matsumoto is probably the only light in his world, which makes me wonder why he'd let her go.
yeah i also wonder why he'd let her go if she meant a lot to himm..

Sandal Hat

12-01-2005, 02:17 AM

Well, we haven't exactly proved him being a good guy. I personally think he kicks ass good or bad just that if he stays a bad guy he might get killed by Ichigo & Friends

Zangetsu Tensa

12-01-2005, 02:40 AM

yeah i really agreed with this one, mayb that's one of the reason why he looks evil.
It varies. He can definitely look evil with his eyes fully open, as witnessed here:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7208/11um.png

But over here he looks kinda normal:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1183/28lb.png

The red eyes don't help his image, however.

Qc0Jh1axT

12-01-2005, 03:16 AM

waaaaahhhh those are really cool pics!! although i've seen them in the anime but kinda forgotten about them ^^''

bebe50UL

12-01-2005, 03:16 AM

The red eyes don't help his image, however.
true.
yeahhh sometimes when i look at the first pictures; it gives me doubts about him being evil but this picture..

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/rabchil/0e50e732.jpg

shows me that he aint all that bad as he seems.. but anyways this picture is shown way after the first picture.

Jedi28

12-01-2005, 08:38 PM

Maybe he keeps them closed because he knows how evil he looks with his eyes open and he's self-conscious.

captain_soifon

12-01-2005, 11:40 PM

do u think aizen can hypnotise ichimaru if his eyes are always closed?

Qc0Jh1axT

12-02-2005, 12:27 AM

why would he need to hypnotise ichimaru? he's already his henchman

Sandal Hat

12-02-2005, 12:31 AM

Aizen says Ichimaru was the only one he could trust

_Ink

12-02-2005, 12:38 AM

maybe he is a good guy turnaround type

you know like those last minute cliche where he just like come out and I am here to save you Matsumoto...!

The following contains satire:
Gin: Aizen, I no see you as friend no more
Aizen: OMGLOL
Gin: Turn yourself dissapear, don't dirty me eyes
Aizen: You don't own my base!
Gin: I was in your base killing your doods!
Aizen: What? You set up me the bomb?
Gin: Cause I no friend with you ! I set up you the bomb for that!
Aizen: MOFO
Gin: SoWhat?
Aizen: You is gonna get slaughtered!
Gin: Bring it on, MOFO, Rofl!

Rofl....then a big fight between former allies?

GeneYuss

12-02-2005, 12:48 AM

Aizen says Ichimaru was the only one he could trust

Which means, of course, in anime anyway, that someone's gonna get betrayed in the end. XD

kt2005

12-02-2005, 03:04 AM

yeh, Gin too cool to be a normal henchman

Z_Blitz

12-02-2005, 08:52 PM

Well I for one do feel just a little bit sorry for the guy... Given better circumstances and a better previous captain he might've been a good guy... After all he did help Matsumoto so there's got to be a good side to him...

Kyouka Suigetsu

12-02-2005, 10:31 PM

Gin will eventually see the light. If not, then there would be no point in him and Matsumoto having a relationship. I'm sure the final battle will be very dramatic and emotional. These two will have no small part it.

captain_soifon

12-03-2005, 12:23 AM

Which means, of course, in anime anyway, that someone's gonna get betrayed in the end. XD
or aizen couldnt really trust anyone

thepolia

12-03-2005, 09:27 PM

Or perhaps in the end Aizen has to kill Ichimaru to achieve some greater purpose, then Matsumoto goes to save him/sacrifices herself to save him. I'd hate this ending, but I can see Aizen doing this... he's so evil

Jedi28

12-04-2005, 03:39 AM

I would feel sorry for Gin but for what he did to Rukia before she was going to get executed when he met her on the bridge from the Shrine. That was downright wrong.

lmegera

12-04-2005, 04:07 AM

Gin seems to be just someone looking out for himself, with Matsumoto being his tie back to honor and friendship. Oh oh! This is so confusing!! He has ties to Aizen and Matsumoto, but all others he cares nothing about and it shows. Maybe Byakura...he cares about too... I dont know so confusing...

Qc0Jh1axT

12-04-2005, 04:07 AM

I would feel sorry for Gin but for what he did to Rukia before she was going to get executed when he met her on the bridge from the Shrine. That was downright wrong.

that's just his personality. he was teasing rukia deliberately because to him it's fun.

edit. i believe even for someone like him, he once was capable of loving matsumoto before. maybe he still does now. a bit. *shrug* :whatevah:

brolijc

12-04-2005, 04:20 AM

hmmm i think the reason why Gin said that to Rukia is to get her have the will to live again, because to me i think he is a good guy, so perharps that is his reason

lmegera

12-04-2005, 09:00 PM

But he knows what's going to happen to her....
It's as though he's a cat playing with a trapped mouse..

captain_soifon

12-05-2005, 12:09 AM

hmmm i think the reason why Gin said that to Rukia is to get her have the will to live again, because to me i think he is a good guy, so perharps that is his reason
but didnt gin 'think' that she was going to be executed so in his view his giving her false hope

brolijc

12-05-2005, 12:27 AM

but if Rukia has no will to live, she has no chance of surviving at all, perharps Gin thought that by giving her the will to live, she might do something and perharps survive

Sandal Hat

12-05-2005, 12:33 AM

Or maybe perhaps Ichimaru new that Ichigo was going to save Rukia since Aizen and him had been planning for this to happen. He also knew the hougyoku was kept inside Rukia so if she was killed then the hougyoku would destroy it