CG R2: Episode 2 Japan Independence Plan - Discussion Thread

[Kenta]

It aired a short while ago. Raw is out, sub should be out in 48 hours or less.

Rollo has geass!

Discuss.

[Fidchell]

gg .mkv sub: http://saki.imouto.org:6969/torrents/f07ef640a6ce78a7399e6aecae792e031462ebf6.torrent

[Tsunayoshi]

Stream of episode 2 :)
Code Geass R2 Episode 02 RAW : Online Video | Veoh Video Network

[Ai]

/me thankies for the links.

Omg I love the spoiler...:]...


Will edit with what I think of the episode once I've seen it in sub.

[Lind Ni Britannia]

*waits for the avi*

i knew Rollo had Geass. being in Code Geass: Lost Colors wasn't simply fanservice. he's in cahoots with V.V..

[M_A]

thanks for the torrent, prof.


hopefully a DDL will be out soon, takes much faster.

[Blair]

DDL: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=21PPIMQZ

Can't wait to see this. =]

[Livius]

Thanx for the uploads.
Just finished and it was great.

[OutLawBankai]

anyone got a Stream 4 the sub having net probs atm lol

[nx6]

* Lakshata Chawla waits for Eclipse's standard def release *

Lets remember to use spoilers these first 24-48 hours for discussing, eh?


Edit: Oh, Wait! :o It is out!

Gode Geass R2 - Episode 2 [Eclipse]

[[High Def - h264]] (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Code%20Geass%20-%20Lelouch%20of%20the%20Rebellion%20R2%20-%2002%20%281280x720%20h264%29%20%5b98828FD5%5d.mkv .torrent) (MKV, torrent)
[[Standard Def - XviD]] (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Code%20Geass%20-%20Lelouch%20of%20the%20Rebellion%20R2%20-%2002%20%28XviD%29%20%5bB87DD9B2%5d.avi.torrent) (AVI, torrent)


Edit2: Another ep 1 release:

Code Geass R2 - Episode 1 [Anime Kaiten Fansubs] (http://www.datorrents.com/download.php?id=34659&name=%5BAniKai%5D_Code_Geass_-_Lelouch_of_the_Rebellion_R2_-_01_%5B1280x720_h264%5D%5BRC1%5D%5B17284C84%5D.mkv .torrent)
(HD, h264, MKV, torrent)

[Fidchell]

=o! and don't tell me he's going to have the same power as everyone else (as it seems)

also. babies

[Minami Itsuki]

DDL: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=21PPIMQZ

Can't wait to see this. =]

THANKS SO MUCH!! Man CANT wait to watch this! *downloads

[M_A]

wow what a great episode.

im glad to see the chinese union backing zero.

[Tsunayoshi]

Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 - 02 subbed : Online Video | Veoh Video Network (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v6965852YB9mPkhx?searchId=953297814794024288&rank=4)

[nx6]

Wow, I'm kinda let down at how the standoff from 25 ended.
Wtf, nobody seems to be able to aim, and Kallen just ran off? And did Suzaku just forget about Nunaly being kidnapped once he had Lelouch?

Oh, and Suzaku selling Lelouch down the river for a promotion! Is that a douche-bag action or does this count has him not being a pussy?

=o! and don't tell me he's going to have the same power as everyone else (as it seems)


I hope this isn't going to turn into a "everyone has a Geass" type of season. There are some notable plot gaps already (like everyone has forgotten Nunally and thinks Rolo is supposed to be there, yet it seems the Emperor has to have direct eye contact for his Geass to be administered, like Lelouch. So did he personally visit every student at Ashford?

wow what a great episode.
im glad to see the chinese union backing zero.

I'd say commandeering a room of the embassy as a separate country is overstaying your welcome. He should have held off on re-founding his new country until he had build a defensive force back up.

[Fidchell]

I'm sure they'll explain the "plot gaps."

also, im voting for Douche bag move. srsly.

[Minami Itsuki]

Awesome episode again. We finally found out what happened but it was kind of disappointing..

Omg....Kallen...still the best..

[M_A]

Wtf, nobody seems to be able to aim, and Kallen just ran off? And did Suzaku just forget about Nunaly being kidnapped once he had Lelouch?

Oh, and Suzaku selling Lelouch down the river for a promotion! Is that a douche-bag action or does this count has him not being a pussy?




that suzaku being willing to betray lelouch for a better position is good, since it makes him a more interesting and realistic character than the annoying wuss he was last season.


i agree about teh geass thing though, too many people have it already.

[Minami Itsuki]

Oh man..now even that fricken kid has Geass? Damn...

Oh well...this is really getting epic so I dont mind too much. Fricken intense stuff.

[M_A]

Oh man..now even that fricken kid has Geass? Damn...

Oh well...this is really getting epic so I dont mind too much. Fricken intense stuff.
that kinda annoys me tbh. rollo is the kind of character that i prefer to be killed as early as possible. now it seems he will be an important character. his bare presence on screen makes me :mad:.

[nx6]

that suzaku being willing to betray lelouch for a better position is good, since it makes him a more interesting and realistic character than the annoying wuss he was last season.

i agree about teh geass thing though, too many people have it already.


Yeah, I actually thought, "Hey, this aint a bad twist." when I first saw it.

Also.

The Guren still has it's radiation wave arm. Info leaked previous to the shows premier said Kallen had lost the arm in the invasion of the Tokyo settlement in ep 25. It looks like it was just replaced with a more compact one. Maybe it wont be so fragile from now on.

[Guy]

OK, i skimmed through the raw.

I'm pretty sure Suzaku missed intentionally. I mean, how could you have missed AT THAT short of a distance? As for Lelouch, I'm not sure how he could've missed. Kallen running away was just plain retarded

[zan_get_su]

Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 Anime
The extremely anticipated Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 Anime has just begun to air. If you are completely new to this series you may want to watch the first season first.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5619/codegeasslelouchoftherequ1.jpg

MU Link for the 1st season

http://www.megaupload.com/?f=LYM7BZ2S


Code Geass R2 Episode 1 and 2

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MU Link

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[Minami Itsuki]

that kinda annoys me tbh. rollo is the kind of character that i prefer to be killed as early as possible. now it seems he will be an important character. his bare presence on screen makes me :mad:.

I agree without you on that. Rollo fricken annoys me everytime I see his face..

[Fidchell]

lol i agree.

Death to Rollo.

[Kamina]

Whats with all the Rollo hating? He was a wussy character at first, but we dont even know him yet. He actually seemed to be putting on a good front.

I figured someone had a memory altering Geass. So much memory altering was in place that it would have been a huge loophole if this were not the case. It figures the emperor has the most powerful Geass.

This is definitely going to be interesting, and is starting to get even more epic. Britannia is huge and powerful, and Lelouch has a long way to go. Although I do think that pasty face guy of the Chinese union is being controlled by a Geass, the red around his eyes makes it look obviously so.

The mass politics and fighting strategies are back! The new season is off to a good start, cant wait to see what happens next. Even though Nunnally is gone, he hasnt even been given time to address this yet. But really to be honest, I could care less about her.

Cant we just put spoiler tags on the discussion of the episode? Using spoilers for discussion is a bit annoying.

[Momentum]

Another great episode. Good thing Lelouch is going to take care of Rollo next episode, hopefully he should die within next three or four episodes. If he doesn't, I'll be disgusted.

[Guy]

Lol, apparently the subs were out. I've finished watching the subs.

wow, now I hate Rollo. He's going to do something to that Chinese dude, I just know it. Since he used his Geass, he will probably start a three way war between Britannia, China, and Japan. Damn, as if we need more enemies!

[Minami Itsuki]

Love all the Rollo hate here. How can anyone possibly like that guy? He better die soon..

[M_A]

agreed, they even attempted the lame character turns badass cliche this last episode. unfortunately, he is still lame.

xD

[nx6]

Cant we just put spoiler tags on the discussion of the episode? Using spoilers for discussion is a bit annoying.
I was going to suggest a separate thread for download links only, and then discussion on the discussion thread. That way you could get to the download links without having to wade through a bunch of spoiler convo.

[M_A]

what a good idea. =]

[Kenta]

I'm now confused whether the Chinese Fed wants to collaborate with Zero or are they against him as well. It seems Zero is severely outnumbered.

[M_A]

I'm now confused whether the Chinese Fed wants to collaborate with Zero or are they against him as well. It seems Zero is severely outnumbered.
they are supporing him. they are even using their embassy immunity or whatever to keep zero save from britannian forces, since he is inside their building.

[nx6]

You think that if Rolo's Geass is the same as Lelouch's, if Rolo uses his on someone they'll be immune to Lelouch's after that?

I was just wondering since it's obvious Li is going to get Geass'd by Rolo now.

[Lind Ni Britannia]

has anyone noticed that in the very first frame, Britain itself isn't part of the Holy Empire of Britannia? lol, and i had thought it was the only European state to not be part of the EEU.

i don't think Suzaku believed Lelouch about Nunnally being captured, since Lelouch had the tendency to lie, either that or he's using his Knight of Rounds position to better search for her. hmm, whatever. Kallen may have run away, but i still like her :P "don't look, pervert~" XD

lol, parallels galore...more of this Q1 P4 P5 shiz :P

[Kenta]

Why is Rollo approaching the Chinese Federation? He wants to kill Zero, wouldn't that mean the Chinese Fed has a similar objective?

[Lind Ni Britannia]

no, the Chinese Fed is helping Zero out. Gaoshan has that Geass outline on his eyes, lol.

Rollo! don't touch Li Xingke! D:< i think he's one of the coolest characters in Code Geass. that back shot of his in season 1 reminded me of Sephiroth.

[Alex26]

I bet Nunnaly is with the king and perhaps Suzaku knows it so he's not so worried or whatever

I personally liked the idea of Suzaku selling Zero for a position, I though it was a badass move and big improvement on his character

And I found funny how Lulu suddenly notices he doesn't have a brother, that was kinda slow of him xd



...zomg, Rollo is evil =o

+ Bunny suit for a second episode ftw

[Kenta]

Yeah, Suzaku's character has developed. I still hate him though.

[Tyekanik]

Whatever character kills Rollo will get a substantial boost in my eyes. There's too much going on thats actually awesome to spend it watching that twerp.

Like, watch the Knights of Rounds have their earl grey or something would even be better.

[Elocin]

Lol @ Lelouch's laugh.

Anyway, yeah, I don't get why Kallen ran away too. I didn't think Lelouch being Zero would be THAT much of a shock to her... but oh well. :(

The emperor probably had a public assembly or something and may have used Geass that way at the school to alter everyone's memories... I dunno.

As for Rollo, he is evil :<

[Helikaon]

Couple of facts about this ep.

Rollo having Geass = He is even gayer than before.
Chinese federation guy with sword = Looks alot like Byakuya O_o
Lelouch = Still awesome, it seems he is even more the crazy genius than before. I love seeing his plans come to pass.

[Kenta]

Yeah, Kallen should have performed her duty and kill Suzaku regardless of Lelouch's identity as he was the main obstacle to foiling Lelouch's rebellion. I guess she was just too shocked and forgot her objective.

[dogmatix]

Hmm.

loved the episode. Looks like the whole thing was a 'trap' to catch CC? seems kind've lame. There has to be a reason teh king allowed lelouch back in to society and it seems as though he was still very happy with how events were progressing up until right before the governor died - and we didnt see his reaction to that. Methinks there is something more sinister to the events at the tower that we haven't been let in on yet.

@ rollo - i dont have the abject hatred everyone else seems to have for him, kinda dissapointed we doubled the number of people we know have/had geass from 2 to 4 in one episode however (even if was pretty obvious the king would turn out to have it) - let's hope thats the last of that for a while.

edit: spelling

[Kenta]

It is kind of weak indeed. The King should know CC is an immortal, conventional weapons won't kill her unless you blow her up. All of that brainwashing just to lure CC out is meh, but I'm not nitpicking.

[Tyekanik]

Kallen was probably questioning if she SHOULD do anything, couldn't think fast enough and split. Stuff was happening fast, her little world was turned upside down. Think of her confronting Lelouch, she clearly had misgivings come boiling up even after things were somewhat explained to her in the interim time. She doesn't seem the most rational of characters on a good day.

Speaking of rational characters, I demand Cornelia come back already ;__;

For the school, they're a bunch of gullible high school kids who just got out of a rebellion. Any number of things could have happened from Geass to "Ok guys, Lulu got injured and as you know any japanese person who sustains injury will likely suffer memory loss, sort of like how if they get wet they get a cold immediately thereafter unless they strip naked together. Now for Rollo, well, guess he never told you he had a brother. Nunally, she's going to get some treatments at Der Motherland so lets not mention her to Lulu, he gets upset."

Shirley makes scene II not so likely, but I'd just like to hear something other than a mass Geass'ing XD

[Kenta]

Speaking of school, in s1 weren't they final year students? And 1 year later, they're final year students again. Lelouch should be 18 at the current setting.

[exotica]

What's with the number of geass appearing already?
The "trap" was kinda lame...
I wonder who gave the other people theirs and whether they are C.C. friend.

[Tyekanik]

Speaking of school, in s1 weren't they final year students? And 1 year later, they're final year students again. Lelouch should be 18 at the current setting.

Milly was a year ahead of everyone, she'd be the only one to fail a year.

The trap seems more oriented into kicking things into gear in my eyes. Either they couldn't come up with a better opening or Mr. Emperor really does enjoy this.

Sort of like, Hey, maybe Lelouch really will be the next best Emperor.

[Kenta]

The King has Geass on both eyes, he's just badass. I'd prefer some other variation of Geass abilities like Mao's mindreading but I guess that's a whole different topic altogether.

Lelouch really has his work cut out for him.

[Tyekanik]

I think his Geass IS rather unique. I don't think Lelouch could inscribe false memories, and since he's the guy who has the absolute authority Geass, typical to these forms of stories his is most powerful "If" he can use it.

I say that based on if 2 Geass users (not being initial named people) were to use them on each other. You just can't beat "Die."

[Lind Ni Britannia]

Rollo's Geass ability is his teleportation, by the way. this was shown in the Code Geass: Lost Colors game in PS2/PSP. f*ck him for that.

Kenta: in Japan, students have their final year in high school at 18. sure the school system in Code Geass isn't necessarily Japanese, but the creators of the series are, so i think they assumed it's that way anywhere else. :P in any case, they're all final year students by now. Milly didn't want to be separated from them, so she failed and repeated her final year. :P

[nx6]

Lol @ Lelouch's laugh.
Anyway, yeah, I don't get why Kallen ran away too. I didn't think Lelouch being Zero would be THAT much of a shock to her... but oh well. :(
She was just upset Lelouch pulled a fast one on her since she suspected him at the beginning but he beat her with that record phone call parlor trick.


Chinese federation guy with sword = Looks alot like Byakuya O_o.
QFT


Speaking of rational characters, I demand Cornelia come back already ;__;
Since the Galston Knights have shown up, I'm hoping she reappears soon as well.

Rollo's Geass ability is his teleportation, by the way. this was shown in the Code Geass: Lost Colors game in PS2/PSP.
Gee thanks, Mr. Spoiler. :rolleye09

Nah, ;) it would make sense anyway. If britannia is just now mastering the power of flight with their float system, I'm sure teleporation abilities for Knightmares is still beyond their abilities.

Although that doesn't explain why Rolo steps out of his knightmare and looks Li in the eye before activating his Geass. If he wants to kill Zero and he can teleport his entire Knightmare, he would have done so once he arrived.

[Lind Ni Britannia]

lol :P

dramatic effect on Rolo's part. imo, it's the producer's way of teasing people who didn't play Lost Colors thinking Rolo will order Xingke around. XD

Xingke's too cool to be ordered around :-/

[Guy]

I assume it's safe to post without spoiler tags?

In an earlier post, I thought Rollo using his Geass on the Chinese dude would cause a three way war. Now that I think of it, causing a three way war is a terrible idea. Sure, it means two people get to beat up on the Japanese Liberation group or w/e, but it also means Britannia will go to war with ANOTHER country, and not just a rebellion group. What could Rollo be thinking, using his Geass on a diplomat?

[Lind Ni Britannia]

...but his Geass is teleportation.

[Guy]

Lol, has that been confirmed? Well, at any rate, it just looked like his Geass was something coerceful because he used it right before the Chinese Embassy.

[Lind Ni Britannia]

1. Code Geass: Lost Colors. Rolo was a character there and did the same thing, teleporting with his Geass. To kill your player character, no less.
2. His Knightmare teleporting. Lelouch said, "It's not something physical that's causing that".
3. Britannia just started experimenting with flight. Do you think they'd already master teleportation? Sure it's been a year since the flight system was developed, but a year isn't enough to make such a leap, even for an anime series lol.

Let's just wait for the next episode. If it turns out to be different despite all the proof, I'll be pissed at Sunrise. XD

[Guy]

1. Code Geass: Lost Colors. Rolo was a character there and did the same thing, teleporting with his Geass. To kill your player character, no less.
2. His Knightmare teleporting. Lelouch said, "It's not something physical that's causing that".
3. Britannia just started experimenting with flight. Do you think they'd already master teleportation?

Let's just wait for the next episode. If it turns out to be different despite all the proof, I'll be pissed at Sunrise. XD

Oh, very interesting! Point number 2 truly is something worth thinking about.

OK, so is he teleporting into the embassy or teleporting to kill the dude? W/e, I'll just wait until the next episode like you say.

[Lind Ni Britannia]

I wouldn't want him to kill Xingke. i mean, the dude got a cameo in episode 25 season 1, looks like Byakuya, and all that...that would suck if he died at the 3rd episode lol. i wish Rolo would kill that castrated guy Xingke's protecting though. his voice is annoying me.

[Tyekanik]

It would be a very good opportunity for Xingke to show some skills against an opponent other than some cannon fodder guards' belts.

Keeeel Rollo. I'd be happy with driving him off but you can never stop hoping for the best.

[Guy]

I wouldn't want him to kill Xingke. i mean, the dude got a cameo in episode 25 season 1, looks like Byakuya, and all that...that would suck if he died at the 3rd episode lol. i wish Rolo would kill that castrated guy Xingke's protecting though. his voice is annoying me.

I completely concur. Xingke looks like he has a lot of potentials. As for the eunuch, everything about him scares me. Sad thing is, since the eunuch is supposedly higher ranked than Xingke, Xingke will die first before he does.

[Miyagi Rikku]

woo

this episode rocked so much, XD

and omg its Nina D: ack they should have killed that crazy stalker xD lolz.

[ghey B]

freaking crazy episode :) im so excited to see how this turns out but at the same time alittle dissapointed so many ppl have geass now >.>

well see how it goes :p

[Kenta]

I'm happy the subs came out lightning fast. I don't think the OP will ever grow on me but we have to live with it. :whatevah:

Just a reminder that keep the spoilers in tags, even if it's minor. This will be the last verbal warning before I issue the real thing. Hate to be a pain but I've already been quite lenient.

Discuss what happened in Lost Colors either in tags or in a separate thread.

[nx6]

Nice to see someone agrees the song is the wrong mood. Not as bad as the ending, though. I feel like I'm watching some Shoujo anime when I see the ending.

[Kenta]

Well.. not shoujo but.. it just simply sucks. A series like Code Geass deserves better. It's not doing it any justice.

[nx6]

It should have been the 24/25 OP. That only got one run.

[Kenta]

You're right. I just played it and it was great. Heck, all the OPs from last season > the current one.

[Lind Ni Britannia]

you know what, though? the OP suddenly grew on me when i dl-ed it off Gendou O_o well, only the "I continue to fight" part...

[Jeggo]

Season 2 rocks , it seems.

@ Rollo , shot him.
@ Emperor , doesnt he look gay with geass? Btw he did have geass in both eyes , didnt he? 'seems his more advanced than Lulu , in the use of geass.

What the heck is with the mass production of Lancelot-type frames? To be honest , they seemed to be faster than Lancelot ( I don't remember him dissapearing like that ).. How is Lelouch going to deal with them? He can always steal the data of how they were created... but I think it will be lame to have so many uber mechas at once..

Anyway , looking forward the next episode.

[Helikaon]

@Lelouch: If you go back a bit Miya tells you why he is awesomely fast, but be wary its a spoiler.


And...

Im looking forward to the return of Toudou and everyone, once again he shall be broken out and reign supreme upon those lesser classed warriors that think they can beat an old school samurai styled awesome person.

[Lind Ni Britannia]

there's an almost 99% chance that teleportation is his Geass ability...for reasons i mentioned here (http://forums.bleachportal.net/showpost.php?p=2671272&postcount=59). the only thing holding this reasoning back is the fact that the next episode hasn't aired yet, lol

[Ai]

/me doubts your right about that guess.

For instance..How did he get the Knightmare in the first place..:p..We see him going up to a group of army personal that obviously don't know him...Howd he do that then. :)

Still I could be wrong with so many holes in this theory.

@ Toudou, When he gets busted out he's gonna rock..He's like the only one thats still faithful to Zero even when he's in Jail.

[ghey B]

did the other geass users have geass in their eyes too? i cant remember, cause if they didnt and they had different powers, would that imply that if its in your eye, its brain control, especially since the emperor has brain conrtol and he has geass in both eyes... or maybe he has a multitude of geass powers, which would be insane...

[Tyekanik]

It's always shown in the eye, except with C.C. I believe

[Lind Ni Britannia]

C.C. doesn't have Geass, but she can give it to others. i remember Lelouch confirming this in season 1...around episode 4-5, just before Lelouch went to battle Cornelia. IIRC.

EDIT: it's in episode 7.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb184/Chemicalist011/Anime%20or%20Manga/accuse1.png

*C.C. cringes*

Lelouch: Well, I had assumed as much.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb184/Chemicalist011/Anime%20or%20Manga/accuse2.png

C.C. showing images to Suzaku etc. doesn't seem to be a Geass, but something else.

also, for the "both eyes" thing, Mao has the Geass mark in both eyes. his is reading minds...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb184/Chemicalist011/Anime%20or%20Manga/mao.png

[Guy]

Lol, am I the only one who didn't like the second opening song of season 1? Granted, this opening song isn't good, but I thought the second opening song of season 1 was worse...

But anyways, looking forward for the next episode.

[Minami Itsuki]

Yeah both songs I didnt like. Not even the EDs. I just like the anime but the songs arent too good.

[nx6]

C.C. doesn't have Geass, but she can give it to others. i remember Lelouch confirming this in season 1...around episode 4-5, just before Lelouch went to battle Cornelia. IIRC.

C.C. showing images to Suzaku etc. doesn't seem to be a Geass, but something else.
W.e. I'd have to say the ability to give people the Geass and to probe their minds is a form of Geass in itself.

Lol, am I the only one who didn't like the second opening song of season 1? Granted, this opening song isn't good, but I thought the second opening song of season 1 was worse...
I wasn't a huge fan of that OP either, but it was nowhere as unlikeable as the R2 opening.

Yeah both songs I didnt like. Not even the EDs. I just like the anime but the songs arent too good.
The R2 ending anme is weird. Like there's that scene of V.V. arms outstretched as though he's protecting the Emperor (that looks like a spoiler to me). And his hair is braided and hanging down covering his nipples like he's a girl.

[Guy]

Yeah both songs I didnt like. Not even the EDs. I just like the anime but the songs arent too good.

You didn't like any songs from the first season? I like them all except the second opening

@nx6: WTF?! That was VV in the ending? I swear I thought it was a girl...

[nx6]

Looked like him to me, he appears twice. I would take screenshots but I'm not at home.

[Minami Itsuki]

You didn't like any songs from the first season? I like them all except the second opening



Ehhhh I never liked the CG songs that much anyway.

[Tyekanik]

It is V.V. Androgynous little prick.

And also yes, C.C. has geass. Or just some really strange paranormal powers which could most easily be described as geass.

[Sting Rae]

I liked the R2 OP and ED, sort of. And I really hope everyone doesn't end up having a Geass D:

[dogmatix]

I like that mosaic one, it was catchy :(

[Minami Itsuki]

I liked the R2 OP and ED, sort of. And I really hope everyone doesn't end up having a Geass D:

Everyone ending up with Geass? Sure looks like that is happening right now lol.

[Tyekanik]

Well, until Nina gets Geass I can be forgiving about it. At that point though, all credibility dies.

[Kenta]

BIG(BAD) NEWS regarding ep 3

Apparently some chump (one of the staff) leaked the last few minutes of ep 3 which contains some big spoilers and the episode might have to be cancelled or remade as a result.

Here's the leak (spoiler)

http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=16065

[nx6]

That was already posted in the Spoilers and Speculation Thread. :3

[Kenta]

lol my bad. i just don't want to venture in there and spoil myself so i didn't notice. >_<

[nx6]

I questioned putting it there, myself. I thought for a moment about starting a discussion thread for episode 3 now since this was about episode 3, but decided against it since people might get some crazy idea ep 3 had already aired and been subbed.

[Tyekanik]

Gah, hope they don't hold off on this. But really, they have some untrustworthy people XD

Last time leakage pushed it back by a season >.<

/me ignores the spoiler

[Stormslayer]

I'm so glad that Susaku sold out his former best friend in this episode. Leloch finally got his just deserts for using his geass on innocent people and killing his siblings. I hope Rollo using his special skill, will put a bullet through his skull the next episode and end his miserable life and silly quest for revenge. Or at least took out his left eye.

[ghey B]

I'm so glad that Susaku sold out his former best friend in this episode. Leloch finally got his just deserts for using his geass on innocent people and killing his siblings. I hope Rollo using his special skill, will put a bullet through his skull the next episode and end his miserable life and silly quest for revenge. Or at least took out his left eye.

1. its Suzaku, and Lelouch :p

2. tho you may hope for zero's death by rollo's hand in the next episode, i can assure you that they wont be killing the protagonist in the 3rd episode..

3. lol

[Ai]

I'm so glad that Susaku sold out his former best friend in this episode. Leloch finally got his just deserts for using his geass on innocent people and killing his siblings

Don't you think thats a bit wrong, Lelouch and Suzaku are both doing their best to change the world the problem is that Lelouch has seen that you can't change it Suzaku's way..Suzaku wants to change it from the inside by it's own system which won't allow him. Effectively Suzaku has gone over to the dark side.

And lelouch hasn't used his Geass on innocent people for bad, Except Euphina..>_>..But he didn't mean too for her.

[Katen Kyoukotsu]

I have to agree. At this point I see Suzuka as a complete hypocrite. He killed his own father in order to stop warfare and the deaths of many innocents. Lelouch is just trying to do the same on a grander scale. But yet Suzuka can see no good in that. He creates a paradox because he holds on to the belief that killing his father was the right thing while at the same time being in such denial that he refuses that method in anyone else therefore proclaiming it the wrong thing. The only thing he has going for him is that he is a good pilot. Thats all.

[Lind Ni Britannia]

i do believe that his beliefs of using the right methods stemmed from what he did to his father though. a way to atone. that's what Mao said about him, after all. he's punishing himself for killing his father.

[Ai]

Punishment shouldn't be the basis for creating a new world however.

Lelouch at least is doing it for his sister to live in peace and harmony..Suzaku is doing it to try and atone for his sin.

[Katen Kyoukotsu]

I don't even think he's trying to atone for his sins, I think he is denying that his sins are sins. Whenever they talk about his father's death Suzuka always justifies it with "it had to be done". And thats how he traps himself.

[Ai]

I see what you mean. My bad I had it messed up.

Also to make matters worse for Suzaku i think it was said that Japan had the ability and the feeling that it wanted to resist the Britannia's invasion and that the only reason none of it happened was because of the surrender by the prime minister that forced the military to back down.

So japan could have fought any maybe possibly won?

[Katen Kyoukotsu]

Well I don't know about won they had virtually no knightmare's at the time and in the end the fact that they didn't fight is advantageous to Lelouch because there spirit wasn't broken after actually losing an unwinable war. So now with new technology and his genius he has a virtually unblemished amount of national pride and hope to tap into.

But that doesn't change the fact that yes the Japanese people wanted to fight and had that choice taken away from them by Suzuka.

[Stormslayer]

Effectively Suzaku has gone over to the dark side.

No small thanks to his best friend who used and murdered his potential lover. Suzaku will be the first lord in the Knight of the Round eventually after backstabbing all the way up with the help of the second prince and their secret alliance . After that, he will change Japan in a way more than Lelouch ever dream of.

[Tyekanik]

No small thanks to his best friend who used and murdered his potential lover. Suzaku will be the first lord in the Knight of the Round eventually after backstabbing all the way up with the help of the second prince and their secret alliance . After that, he will change Japan in a way more than Lelouch ever dream of.

We'll just conveniently ignore how Suzaku stole the will of the Japanese people when he was like 10. His working with the government would not have worked anyway, the only reason he got where he is, is because of a freak meeting with a princess, then capturing Zero. Which if Lelouch had not done what he did, he would not have had that opportunity.

They are both where they are because of each other, so in effect no matter who changes Japan it will only be because they were both there.

[Stormslayer]

Lelouch is more hypocritical than Suzaku. He love his sister and want a good future for her but yet, he killed the rest of his siblings. A complete bastard if you ask me. And many actually admire his mother and treat him rather well when small. Suzaku could just tell Lelouch's sister the truth and she will hate Lelouch forever. yeah, best revenge.

I won't go into detail how he would fail even after making Japan independent. Since Britannia empire is >10X the size of Japan. Revenge on his father, LOL, yet maybe if he use his geass on Suzaku and tell him to backstab his dad when they are alone in that mysterious temple. Oops, forget that Lelouch already used once on Suzaku, so...........

[Tyekanik]

Yeah, thats what makes things interesting, when the side being followed isn't simply going to win because they are 'teh bestest.' How boring would it be to follow the side of the hugely dominant force and watch them quell a minor rebellion >.>

Lelouch might be a bastard for killing some of his siblings, but its not like they aren't doing things that deserve it. Lets forgive Clovis for the massacre why not. Half brother or not, he deserved death, Lelouch was the one that could bring it, rock on.

Those people might uncover an unhappy secret, KILL THEM ALL!!!!

Yeah, die Clovis.

[Stormslayer]

Lelouch might be a bastard for killing some of his siblings, but its not like they aren't doing things that deserve it. Lets forgive Clovis for the massacre why not. Half brother or not, he deserved death, Lelouch was the one that could bring it, rock on.

Well, you do know massacre is not the real reason why Lelouch murdered his brother. Killing off your brother just because you hated your father is inhumane and dumb at any degree. BTW Lelouch too never really care about innocents, just look at the marvelous landslide he caused that killed off shirley's father.

Lelouch is truly his father's son. If he ever rules an empire as vast as Britannia, rest assured that he is just as inhumane and dictating as his father. But then, Sazuka will be there to finish him off when that day comes. LOL

[Tyekanik]

Of course the massacre wasn't why he intended to do it, though it helped galvanize his will. However there's no way to feel sorry for Clovis. The landslide doesn't compare to the Shinjuke Ghetto incident either, one was a direct order, one was an after effect of a tactic - something Lelouch didn't even face til it was thrust in said face. Not that this makes him a good person before anything is taken out of perspective, its the reality of the situation. Both are rather heinous, but only one has a superior driving motive behind it.

Yes, he is his fathers son, thats the point of it all really. Who to be the next emperor? The most ruthless one who rises to the top.

Lelouch is just eliminating ALL the competition XD He's also not doing it because he is inhumane, nobody really tries to create a peaceful world (even through force) while being inhumane. To do what needs to be done, he HAS to utilize tactics that wouldn't be well accepted. The enemy is massive, if he doesn't reduce numbers without losing his own it'll end up....like the end of season 1 XD

[Ai]

Lelouch cared about the innocents it's just that as a superior tactical mind he possess he can see that in the long run he will save more innocents then destroy with his current action by stopping the Britannia empire in it's tracks.

Lelouch visible noted that the path he walks will be strewn with dead bodies and that he will undertake the sin to rid the world of a greater sin.

[Stormslayer]

Lelouch visible noted that the path he walks will be strewn with dead bodies and that he will undertake the sin to rid the world of a greater sin.

Wow, you guys really make him sound like a hero. But look at this way, he is clearly no saint, he is a.......school boy. For someone of his age to do such unspeakable feat, one could only imagine what a monstrous megalomaniacs he will become when he is older.

[Tyekanik]

He'll be Ghandi incarnate. Word.

[Stormslayer]

Dude, you look into Lelouch's geass, didn't you? LOL

[Tyekanik]

But he says he wanted a peaceful world through pacifist actions, he wouldn't lie to me!

[Ai]

He'll be Ghandi incarnate. Word.

I concur.

Storm you have to remember that he's a child genius basically and that he isn't thinking like a child but a mature adult. Hes got a goal and he's working towards it. He knows that the only way to change the world is through blood shed etc.

Suzaku doesn't want to shed blood and therefor wants to change it from the inside but at the moment he hasn't changed anything and so far as sold out his best friend and his fellow elevens who want to fight back.

[Katen Kyoukotsu]

Also to add on to this when Lelouch was a prince he attempted to follow justice and asked his father about his mother's death. This accomplished nothing. He was in a higher position of power than Suzuka will ever be and he couldn't change a thing.

Therefore unless Suzuka plans on killing the emperor (which I doubt) there is virtually no way for him to affect change whatsoever.

[Jeggo]

Lelouch is a kid by normal standards. He is just a student. How can a student defeat a huge empire with 'endless' armies,weapons and most importantily , as it was recently revealed some secret 'magical' knowledge?

He cannot.

But , he will.

This is to give empasis. Lelouch's achievement will look even greater than it would had otherwise been. If he had a superb army , techonologically advanced and greater in numbers it wouldn't be much of a feat , defeating Britannia that is.

But now , a mere student standing again a whole Empire , and in the end winning now that is 'epic' and more likeable.

Just explaining , how the anime works.

[Graffik]

I'd be interested into seeing how Lelouch will accomplish that^.

Because so far, I've seen him walk right into the Emperor's arms without any clue. I'm half-suspecting something more sinister to appear, something involving CC and whatever sect or planet she's from.

[Joan]

I bet Rollo is someone sent out from the Britannians, (most likely by someone directly connected with or the emperor himself). And how did they all get the Geass? Where did it come from, maybe C.C. actually knows more than she leads on.

The next episode is gonna be good, i feel it : )

[Kenta]

^ Safe to assume that they obtained it from V.V.