Human Cloning (read before you comment)

[FascionViktem5k]

this is just wat it is... a very broad topic... you can talk about watever you can think.... as long as it has something to do with cloning...

whether you think it's right or wrong, the progression that's been happening, whose doing what... you know.. sh*t like that....

this was mentioned in my other thread so i figured i'd make another one just for this...

debate and don't argue... i will have an admin ban you if you are mean to anybody... you can disagree... it's a healthy thing to do... and don't spam...

My opinion!
I can't decide if it's right or wrong... but even if we get ot the stage of cloning a perfect replica... it still won't be the same... because the thing that makes an individual, individual... is the experiences they've had throughout their lifetime... and cloning is just making someone else who looks like them...

your turn!

[vejitto3]

I would want a clone if i had complete control over him and he couldn't think for himelsef then yes ...I wold send to school and work while i make love to anything in site all day all night..

but on the real i believe we shouldn't mess with that kind of stuff we already got DNA that's all we need.I wouldn't want my kid to lose at anything to some genetically enhanced freak thing.

[Jinchuu]

i will have an admin ban you if you are mean to anybody...

How nice of you *lol*

I watched The Island on the way back to United States, it's about people who were cloned for emergencies, like if the actual individual needs a body part or a healthy organ, they kill the clone and take his healthy body parts/organs and replace it with the bad ones that the real person has. I think it might be useful in future, however it does not change the fact that you are killing a human being no matter how he was created/born. On the other hand, one can think it as returning back to his owner, since s/he was created from his/her cells.

[vilandra]

i guess it all boils down moral issues..doesnt it?

you can't really say if its good or bad...coz its always goin to contradict each another...you can say its good in a medical sense...but bad in a sense where it provokes so much of issue..dealing with religion....and how do u really compare if the good outweighs the bad?

[Raku]

i will have an admin ban you if you are mean to anybody...



>.< What a nice welcome we get hehe.. ´
Like Vilandra said it can be usefull for medical reasons but..
I think human seriously went too far on this 1.. creating a living copy out of a person?... That's just too unhuman for me to imagine o.O;; but that's just my opinion

[Xavier]

well they dont need to create a full new human with stem cell reasearch it has the power to replace any organ in the human body because there the cells that pretty much created you. they just take the un used ones. They do get them from aborted fetuses but theres another way they can do it also but its less safe.

Also cloning would probly only be used in a huge emerganices for the world such as if half the population just died from a metorite or disease, and we needed clones to help repopulate the world.

[Fect]

Let us all consider this first:

1) If you were about to die, would you try to protect your life, even if you were to take anothers?

2) Cloning creates too much of one gene set and prevents the expansion of the gene pool.
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1) I am almost 100% sure that given certain conditions, we would kill a total stranger to keep ourselves alive- This is the concept behind "The Island."

2) This prevents evolution, or whatever you believe.



ALL action has reprocussions: If you hit a spring, won't the spring eventually move in the opposite direction- leading to the rebound?

[Sunfire249]

Well, personally I don't think cloning is right. Sure, it might be handy, but if you really look at it your just trying to recreate a fragment of your memory of that person... That is if you wanted to clone someone else for yourself. I really don't think that it would be right for the memory of that person, if that makes any sense.

Gundam Seed Destiny had this really awesome thing for a plot... How they would take the dna of both parents and create a baby who would be an almost perfect being... It was such an awesome thing to think about, and yet if you truly think that you can just replicate another you and think of them as your best friend than... I don't know what to say.

[adema]

vejitto3 wrote "I would want a clone if i had complete control over him and he couldn't think for himelsef then yes ...I wold send to school and work while i make love to anything in site all day all night."

Basically a robot...

But anyway I dont think we should mess around with it too much. Sure it would be nice to have the option to replace a lost limb or something but I'm pretty sure people will go to far with it; they will start making actual clones underground or something, and that is really scary.

[Xavier]

anyways if you think about it history repeats itself so as usual some one will try and play god and will clone things with secret funding from some government and use the clones to infultrate places and soon to wadge war on other countries.

theres many pros and cons to this that you can say but in the end it can always be used for good and always used for bad it just depends on what you do to stop people from doing the bad cloning. I think scientist using it to clone only certain things like new legs for someone so they can finally walk for their first time in 30 years would be great. But someone cloning humans in a research lab to test on them and use them as they please is wrong.

[FascionViktem5k]

But someone cloning humans in a research lab to test on them and use them as they please is wrong.


when has that happened?!?!?! that's horrible if somebody has tried it....

and some of you commented on my "banning" remark... sorry.. but i just had to get that point across... cuz on my other thread... people weren't listening... so yeah... no one got banned which is good... but i don't want to keep repeating it throughout the posting...

i like the points all of you make.. (no i haven't seen the island... it looked interesting and apparently it is) i just want to see your opinions on it... even if it has to do with a religious reason... i wanna hear it!!! ... i just like to see what people think about it... i don't have conversations like this with my friends so yeah....

this is good!! keep debating!!!! remember to answer WHY!!! why do you think this way? ... anyway... back to the shadows i go!

[Shaehl]

when has that happened?!?!?! that's horrible if somebody has tried it....

and some of you commented on my "banning" remark... sorry.. but i just had to get that point across... cuz on my other thread... people weren't listening... so yeah... no one got banned which is good... but i don't want to keep repeating it throughout the posting...

i like the points all of you make.. (no i haven't seen the island... it looked interesting and apparently it is) i just want to see your opinions on it... even if it has to do with a religious reason... i wanna hear it!!! ... i just like to see what people think about it... i don't have conversations like this with my friends so yeah....

this is good!! keep debating!!!! remember to answer WHY!!! why do you think this way? ... anyway... back to the shadows i go!

No one answered you in the other thread because your question was irrelevant. You don't need our permission to start a new topic.

As for cloning, I think the line that shouldn't be crossed is drawn at artificially creating a fully functional human being. Moral and religious issues aside, it is just plain not good for society. There will always be the lunatic who wants to play God and abuses the technology. Just imagine how ****ed up things would be if you could be abducted and replaced with a clone, and no one would be the wiser. Or we could have clones impersonating the president or other leaders of nations. We could have them impersonating FBI members, military generals, doctors, judges, supreme court justices... The list goes on.

[FascionViktem5k]

well now that you put it that way... i don't wanna be cloned!!!!! but we'd be able to tell who the clone is... because it's a person's experiences that make them who they are... but yeah.. unless they manage to do that whole... 6th day thing where they had machines like... copy and past your memories... lol! has anyone seen that movie?

[Shaehl]

well now that you put it that way... i don't wanna be cloned!!!!! but we'd be able to tell who the clone is... because it's a person's experiences that make them who they are... but yeah.. unless they manage to do that whole... 6th day thing where they had machines like... copy and past your memories... lol! has anyone seen that movie?

Even if they didn't share our memory, they could be given instructions or be trained to do certain things that could keep people from suspecting them for quite a while. If worst comes to worst, they could say amnesia or longterm/short-term memory loss. Even if they can only pull off the immitation for a temporary period of time, it's still long enough for their makers to get done whatever they needed to do.

[FascionViktem5k]

well that makes sense... but it's still creepy.. lol!

[Tokoyami]

I read the book "the scorpion house" or sumthin like that. Where they had partial clones, which were clones without intelligence. These clones would be injected when the sperm and egg fused (haha ( ^_^) sperm...), to limit there intelligence, and give them only the basic funtions with no reasoning power

( the power that makes us smarter then any other animal on the damn planet)

i beleive that would be ok, i see no moral issues there. well.....at least not to me.

[FascionViktem5k]

but their still aware of themselves.. which makes them another human being.. which isn't just a copy... or are they not aware of themselves? cuz if not... then their just robots... just wondering!

[lmegera]

I think the main part that we all need to realize is that cloning should be used for the preservation of life only. While we do create life in the process to preserve it, the medical implications are mostly what drives this need. Every year, thousands of people die because of a severe lack of organ donors or organs in general. Cloning should not be used in a wasteful manner; its use should be for the betterment of the human race.

[Fect]

However, there are some problems.

1) How do we make sure that organs are "ready for harvesting" from the clones?

2) Recent evidence says that we can only live a maximum of 170 years- on the edge of starvation. That is because our cells have a certain protein that keeps them "together" during mitosis. How do we prevent this deterioration?

3) How can you make organs ready for each person so that they are preserved?

And on Ethics:

2) If Ethics is a question: Good is no longer considered "Good," but rather that which is not evil.

[Apocalypse]

There are some things that humans, though capable of doing, should never actually do. Fully cloning a human is one of these things. As mentioned earlier; cloning in this manner can bring about horrible results. Secret armies could be built, human clones could be treated like lab rats by scientists, and full-scale wars over the issue can occur. Furthermore, there is another unseen threat caused by this. If people are cloned, then overpopulation will drastically increase. Furthermore, if these clones are used to keep unhealthy people alive, overpopulation would even further increase. This wastes the Earth's resources, and in the end, could quite literally cause the end of mankind... due to starvation, lack of resources, etc.

Then of course, there are the moral implications. Does it seem right to use a fully operational, sentient, and otherwise normal human being for the purpose of "spare parts"? While the uses of these spare parts may seem great for those who fear death, it is also worthy to note that these people take a life in the process of prolonging theirs. If the person needs ANY body part, the clone would (likely) have to die in the process of giving that body part to the person. Doesn't sound fair, and quite frankly; it sounds almost like a kind of slavery. Afterall, these clones would exist for the sole purpose of being the property (body parts) of the person whom requested these clones be made.

Then there are obviously religious values. I'm pretty sure all religions aren't particularly fond of cloning. It can be seen as "playing God". In reality, those who perform the procedure truly are doing that. Afterall, they alone are bringing a human in to existance. Do we want other humans having such power? Furthermore, would any 'higher beings' be particularly happy with this? My thought would be not.


So... in essence... I am very much against it. No one should have such power; nor should the human life be extended unnaturally because of it. It completely goes against the whole idea of human rights (clones are obviously also human). The repercussions of such a thing could be disastrous.

[Tokoyami]

but their still aware of themselves.. which makes them another human being.. which isn't just a copy... or are they not aware of themselves? cuz if not... then their just robots... just wondering!

The clones i soke of are not aware of themselves, they only have basic instincts, in the book, it was said they had a zombie vibe. (without the missing limbs and disease rotting flesh).

Thing like over population and runing out of resources, our resources will let us survive for many many years to come because matter is not created or destroyed, but recycled. If we ever did run low, we would invent a way to break down compounds into the ones we need, or the planet needs.

Over population.....i mean, 1/4 of africa isnt even populated, neither is the south pole, or even parts of the united states. We wont run out of space in our life time or even our great great grandchilds life time.

As for it being morally wrong, sry to be blunt, but i say if u dont wanna use clones then dont, but when it comes down to it, i'd rather kill off a copy of myself for that new heart then die.

[FascionViktem5k]

ahh... but that's where it gets tricky.. how do you know this "copy" of you isn't just another person that only looks like you? oh snap!!! lol! j/k!!

and whose to say this copy doesn't have the same exact health problems? they are human beings in extent.. and human beings have illnesses that run in the family, so what if that new heart you need is coming from the same gene pool? it'll only be a matter of time before you need another heart...

and to go a little off topic here, but the reason why there are so many little donating organs is because if you check that little box on the back of your liscence (i say liscence because that's how it is in new york) ... if you ever get into an accident and there's a chance for you to live... and they paramedics or cops see that box checked, they'll let you die, just to get the organs... my mom saw a documentary on this... she doesn't remember wat it was called but she does remember it (because it was so horrible) .... and now to relate back to the cloning! how is that different? ... your just killing someone you don't know... that's wat the paramedics/cops do when they see that checked box..

and besides.. if you don't have healthy organs and they can't cure you with medicine and operations and the such... you probably weren't meant to live... and we weren't meant to live as long as we do now anyway.. but somehow we've got a granny whose making it to her 120th birthday and can't even get up by herself... (does she even sleep? cuz you know... the older you get the less sleep you need... i wonder..)

Toko: thanks for clearing that up! .. and that's ok in my book... because they are just like robots... no soul in one of them!!!

[Tokoyami]

ahh... but that's where it gets tricky.. how do you know this "copy" of you isn't just another person that only looks like you? oh snap!!! lol! j/k!!

and whose to say this copy doesn't have the same exact health problems? they are human beings in extent.. and human beings have illnesses that run in the family, so what if that new heart you need is coming from the same gene pool? it'll only be a matter of time before you need another heart...

and to go a little off topic here, but the reason why there are so many little donating organs is because if you check that little box on the back of your liscence (i say liscence because that's how it is in new york) ... if you ever get into an accident and there's a chance for you to live... and they paramedics or cops see that box checked, they'll let you die, just to get the organs... my mom saw a documentary on this... she doesn't remember wat it was called but she does remember it (because it was so horrible) .... and now to relate back to the cloning! how is that different? ... your just killing someone you don't know... that's wat the paramedics/cops do when they see that checked box..

and besides.. if you don't have healthy organs and they can't cure you with medicine and operations and the such... you probably weren't meant to live... and we weren't meant to live as long as we do now anyway.. but somehow we've got a granny whose making it to her 120th birthday and can't even get up by herself... (does she even sleep? cuz you know... the older you get the less sleep you need... i wonder..)

Toko: thanks for clearing that up! .. and that's ok in my book... because they are just like robots... no soul in one of them!!!


Well im sure if the cloning field would try to clean up that gene problem before handing out cloned hearts.

As for killing another person, i mean, i just dont see clones as real people, they are just a copy. Thats to me, i understand what people mean by they have feelings and all, but like i said, i'd rather kill "Tokoyami II" for his heart then die.

( O_O) maybe....old people dont sleep *gasp*

[Hansy]

(I hope you didn't mean read the whole thread cause' that isn't happening)

Anyway, I'm all for cloning in some ways. In the fact of 'having a clone' I think that sounds creepy and outrageous, but I personally, would love to be immortal, so If I had clones I could technically live forever, although then it would really be the clone living, and I'd die, so it'd be creepy. Or it could be like in "The Island" if anyone saw that movie, and whenever somone needed new skin/bodypart/organ, they just got it from these clones they were making, totally cool idea. This is in the sense of living forever of course, not in the sense of having a poweranger version of a bounty hunter who helps an evil guy who shoots lightning take over every thing. *Shifty Eye* Anyway, as for killing clones, and thinking of clones as people, it depends. If somone is cloned and they are like a 'puppet', frozen in stasis or something, then no, they are just body tissue, not a person. But if somone was cloned and was concious and had all these emotions and was like 'WTF who am I?!" I'd probably see a real person in them. Although in the way i'm talking about cloning. You know your gonna die, and the clone knew he was you knowing you were gonna die so its like even though you're dead, your whole conciousness switched to the clone sorta, anyway those are my ramblings, hope I didn't just say somehting everyone else already did. Oh, and cloning to solve like organs or world hunger is good too I guess, long as I don't bump into myself on the way to school its all good.

[FascionViktem5k]

(I hope you didn't mean read the whole thread cause' that isn't happening)

no i meant just read the first post... you know.. the one that tells you wat we'll be talking about... cuz a lot of people don't even bother and just start typing watever floats their boat... sorry.. it was a big vague.. bit it woule be a really long title if it wasn't... lol!

but i understand what your saying.. and i agree with you on your points about cloning the whole if it were conscious and if it were just frozen in itself... and i guess it depends on the clone... (star wars! lol!)

[Tokoyami]

lol star wars, wtf

Yea, i guess if they were all in my face like....
"PLEASE DONT KILL ME!!!!WHAT AM I?!?!?!
it might get to me somewhat....but if they were frozen then i would rip them apart like a christmas gift wrapping and use there organs like it was nothing. If the clone became conscious of its surroundings and knows what is going on then i would have to consider them a person, thats the whole "i think, therefor i am" thing. But if they weren't frozen and just kinda sat there like a puppet, then i dont consider them a person.

[FascionViktem5k]

well i guess wat you just said has been the main theme of the thread... people seem to be fine about it if it weren't aware of itself.. maybe we should clone but severe it's ability to think... therefore it's not! lol! and i made the star wars reference because of the "attack of the clones" thing.. hehe.. he.. .. yah...

[Apocalypse]

An interesting point you bring up. The ability to make it lack the ability to think...

Hmmmmmm...

Ok. I just had an idea. Lets say you and your counterpart are having a baby. The doctor, in the process of performing some medical procedure, unintentionally causes some trauma that causes severe mental problems to the developing fetus. Now obviously, this child SHOULD have had the ability to think, correct? However, since this child was made to be a near-vegetable due to the unnatural accident of the doctor, the child no longer has the ability to think (at least as a developing human does). The case is; this child, in a way, was artificially made to NOT THINK.

Does a clone, if completely unaltered, have the ability to think? The obvious answer is yes. Through unnatural changes, this cloned child is no longer capable of thought; not too differently than our previously mentioned baby. It is a human, but we have removed what we consider makes it human. However, we removed it. If thinking is to be, then we literally took away from this human, what it means to exist. Hence even the creation of such a being can be considered the murder of a human; as it has taken away from the flesh what makes that flesh a human.

You all seem to think differently if this clone has a mind. If the mind is what makes a person, then sure, the clone is not a person. However, you MADE it that way. The clone is not naturally "brain dead". The clone COULD have begged you for its life, but you took away its ability to do so. Do you not see the possible implications of this? The creation of humans (clones) would become a whole new market. In essence, it would be the selling of humans. Humans would buy humans as a product. Furthermore, if someone was able to make the "original" you a "blank" human, they could potentially use NORMAL humans for similar purposes. In other words, if these things were done to clones; what would stop it from happening to normal humans?

Immortality? Sure, it sounds great... but would it really work? Do you have any idea how many humans there now are? The last time I checked, there was over 6 billion (I wouldn't be surprised if it is 7 billion or more though, at this point). Now imagine that a good portion of these humans never die. Then take in to account that while they never die, reproduction still occurs at a growing rate. Don't you see a problem with this? The empty spaces we supposedly now have would fill up rather quickly in this example. Furthermore, if you live forever; those few hundred/thousand years you live to use up all of the Earth's resources would pass rather quickly to you. Think about it. You would literally be around to see, and play a part in, the end of mankind... perhaps even life on the planet as a whole.

Then we have to consider the sheer impossiblity of 100% immortality. Sure, a clone can replace a body part or two, but they can't fix everything for you. You will still age. Sure, you might be given a younger set of organs, but it will not change the fact that your bones, muscles, and even brain tissue will deteriorate over time. Furthermore, the possiblity of doing a full overhaul on a person's body (as in, giving them a new set of organs) without killing them or at least damaging them is practically an impossiblity.


A little unorganized... but I think it makes a point.

[FascionViktem5k]

ok wow... i need a day or two to like process the information you just gave .... i love the points you made! and i do agree with you... but i wasn't the one who said i'd like to live forever.. and yes i know you were being general.. i'm not taking it personally! but it's true... which is kinda why i don't want cloning... but the points people make in here are soo good! i just can't help but agree with it! (although deep down... i wouldn't want to be cloned.. if i get kidney failure.. eh.. wat the heck! i have another one.. lol!)

[Tokoyami]

An interesting point you bring up. The ability to make it lack the ability to think...

Hmmmmmm...

Ok. I just had an idea. Lets say you and your counterpart are having a baby. The doctor, in the process of performing some medical procedure, unintentionally causes some trauma that causes severe mental problems to the developing fetus. Now obviously, this child SHOULD have had the ability to think, correct? However, since this child was made to be a near-vegetable due to the unnatural accident of the doctor, the child no longer has the ability to think (at least as a developing human does). The case is; this child, in a way, was artificially made to NOT THINK.

Does a clone, if completely unaltered, have the ability to think? The obvious answer is yes. Through unnatural changes, this cloned child is no longer capable of thought; not too differently than our previously mentioned baby. It is a human, but we have removed what we consider makes it human. However, we removed it. If thinking is to be, then we literally took away from this human, what it means to exist. Hence even the creation of such a being can be considered the murder of a human; as it has taken away from the flesh what makes that flesh a human.

You all seem to think differently if this clone has a mind. If the mind is what makes a person, then sure, the clone is not a person. However, you MADE it that way. The clone is not naturally "brain dead". The clone COULD have begged you for its life, but you took away its ability to do so. Do you not see the possible implications of this? The creation of humans (clones) would become a whole new market. In essence, it would be the selling of humans. Humans would buy humans as a product. Furthermore, if someone was able to make the "original" you a "blank" human, they could potentially use NORMAL humans for similar purposes. In other words, if these things were done to clones; what would stop it from happening to normal humans?

Immortality? Sure, it sounds great... but would it really work? Do you have any idea how many humans there now are? The last time I checked, there was over 6 billion (I wouldn't be surprised if it is 7 billion or more though, at this point). Now imagine that a good portion of these humans never die. Then take in to account that while they never die, reproduction still occurs at a growing rate. Don't you see a problem with this? The empty spaces we supposedly now have would fill up rather quickly in this example. Furthermore, if you live forever; those few hundred/thousand years you live to use up all of the Earth's resources would pass rather quickly to you. Think about it. You would literally be around to see, and play a part in, the end of mankind... perhaps even life on the planet as a whole.

Then we have to consider the sheer impossiblity of 100% immortality. Sure, a clone can replace a body part or two, but they can't fix everything for you. You will still age. Sure, you might be given a younger set of organs, but it will not change the fact that your bones, muscles, and even brain tissue will deteriorate over time. Furthermore, the possiblity of doing a full overhaul on a person's body (as in, giving them a new set of organs) without killing them or at least damaging them is practically an impossiblity.


A little unorganized... but I think it makes a point.


In the book, they took away the intelligence ability while it was still and join egg and sperm i think. And i wouldnt consider that murder, at least i dont. About the baby getting mental problems, i understand completely what ure trying to say, i guess that all comes down to a persons morals. I guess i would say that if the baby comes out the woman's puuter then its just likea human that has mental retardation. But a clone is created, and artificial human, and anything created i think can be destroyed at the will of the creator.

what doust thou thinketh^

[FascionViktem5k]

but that's like poor Kon! he was created! and we don't want him to die! lol! well so long as it don't know it's alive..

[Apocalypse]

In the book, they took away the intelligence ability while it was still and join egg and sperm i think. And i wouldnt consider that murder, at least i dont. About the baby getting mental problems, i understand completely what ure trying to say, i guess that all comes down to a persons morals. I guess i would say that if the baby comes out the woman's puuter then its just likea human that has mental retardation. But a clone is created, and artificial human, and anything created i think can be destroyed at the will of the creator.

what doust thou thinketh^


You are correct. That is why this debate really can't go any further than this. It all boils down to whether you find it morally right or wrong to alter the human genetic code, or at least, the developing human fetus. Past this point, no right or wrong side can really be defined... as both sides have equally powerful arguements.


I'm all for the cloning, perhaps, of human organs. However, I am not in support of the cloning of full humans for this purpose. In fact, I'm not really for the cloning of humans for just about any purpose. One could argue that cloning could benefit mankind for the purposes of improving health, and perhaps to take the unwanted jobs. On the other hand, if you look upon these clones as humans, improving the health of uncloned humans looks more like a slaughter of innocents to improve the lives of an "upper class"; giving them the unwanted jobs sounds more like slavery. The benefits could look just as negative as you believe it to be positive in the eyes of one against the concept.

This probably belongs more in the "abortion" post, but I do not find the newly joined egg and sperm to be human. At least not yet. It does not have any physical qualities of a human, does not have the ability to think, and is at a stage in which it could be called "sub-human". Is there potential though? Definitely. However, I don't see a problem destroying something which has not yet become human. In an analogy, you could say it is like tearing apart an unwanted building design. The land for this building was not yet set aside, and the supplies needed to create this building were not yet ordered; thus the destruction of the design isn't costing anyone anything, it never existed, afterall. The difference is though; that if it is definable as "human", I am completely against it. This also applys to the whole cloning issue because the clone (which is alterred to not have a mind) becomes a human. It should thus have the rights that a human is rightfully endowed with. It is my belief that the ability to be sentient happens to be one of these rightfully endowed traits. No matter how you look at it; the clone is still human. Like you said; this really depends on the moral values of whom you are asking. These just happen to be mine.

[Tokoyami]

well then this topic is official declared allerific. (aller=anything at all)

[FascionViktem5k]

the illegal immigrants take all the unwanted jobs... that position has already been filled.. we'd have to think of something even less for these "clones"

[Tokoyami]

the illegal immigrants take all the unwanted jobs... that position has already been filled.. we'd have to think of something even less for these "clones"

....i was thinking....heavily sedated......in a lab room/tank...and transported in mass transport trucks or clone tankers...

[FascionViktem5k]

this is so horrible!!! they haven't even started cloning yet!!! wat's wrong with us?!?! making plans where to put them and use them... i'm so evil... they should be societies prositutes... so that the real people can get nice jobs..... i'm so inhumane!!!

[Tokoyami]

this is so horrible!!! they haven't even started cloning yet!!! wat's wrong with us?!?! making plans where to put them and use them... i'm so evil... they should be societies prositutes... so that the real people can get nice jobs..... i'm so inhumane!!!

Yes, and then we would have Clone pornos, it would be another form of wierd sex. And men will laugh at other men and be like "hahahahaha, he ****ed a clone, hahahaha" and women shall utter, "its not true, those clones are BIG!!!" And clones can go to work for us, and do our chores, and they could do nothing about it. Because each and every clones will have 30lbs of C4 in their body cavitiy.....yes.....it will be beautiful......

[FascionViktem5k]

ok now that's just creepy....

[Daeruke]

does any of u no wat it takes to clone and the after effects. u guys r idiots

[Baron]

I don't think cloning, itself, is wrong. But one can do a lot of wrong if it's used unwisely.

[Tokoyami]

does any of u no wat it takes to clone and the after effects. u guys r idiots

dude....why would you join a topic just to flame someone ( "u guys are idiots") its a debate, the debate section, which means if u disagree you explain yoru side.

Now from what ive heard/read/watched on tv specials, is that you take an egg and replace the dna of the egg with the complete nucleus of a human being, which starts the whole egg----> new baby process. Then place the egg in a females womb.

EDIT: as for the after affects.....what after affects??? i mean to take the dna, you just scrape off a few cells of your body, which can be done can be done with a toothpick.

From your comment that we are "idiots", i assume you kno alot, so i see you as a somewhat intelligent person. Please enlighten me on these "After affects".

[Apocalypse]

Hehe... and thus the thread suddenly became a "destroy the flamer" thread.


I don't understand why people feel the need to join in on an intelligent discussion, claim those in the discussion are idiots, and then proceed to give no explanation as to why the feel so. It accomplishes nothing, and only proves either:
A.) The lack of intelligent thought to proove an opposing viewpoint.
B.) The lack of willpower to actually defend whatever arguement is provided.

Oh... and please use actual English before you start proclaiming others are idiots. It doesn't exactly look good for yourself to call others stupid when you pretend to not understand the English language.

[FascionViktem5k]

well i was about to type the exact same thing tokoyami did.. but i would like to add that in the beginning of this thread the very first post (by me.. which of course you did not read) specifically says not to be mean in any way.. otherwise i will find a mod.. and have you banned... consider this a warning.. try that sh*t again... and i WILL have you banned, Daeruke... now please.. if you are not going to add to the debate.. don't post.. please!

EDIT: thank you Apocalypse...

[Epyon94]

I'm in favor of human cloningm because it can posobly solve many different medical needs. Think about it, if you needed a new spleen they could clone cells from your origional spleen and grow a new one. This also stems from the fact that human cloning isn't just cloning an entire person but also indevidual parts from that person. It could save hundreds of lives. Anyways that's my two cents.

[FascionViktem5k]

yay two cents!