Is Ukitake suitable enough to be a captain?

[DocInsanity]

Hey, since this idea was debated a lot and that many people opposed me, i decided to make it a different topic itself.

I don't beleive Ukitake is a very good captain. He might be kind and considerate and the rest of that stuff, but what everything boild down to is the fact that his body (due to the sickness) is dragging him down and holds back his responsibilities as a taichou. His sickness does not allow him to protect other people (as in the case of Rukia) and he is barely able to walk around Soul Society like all of the other captains do.

[Raku]

Well the main job of a Captain is to hold control over the squad he's captain of.. for me it looks like he's doing that pretty good..

Well you can say a captain is the same as a Admin .. so Ukitake is a Admin that aint online much but keep control of the place he's admining XD

[General Cox]

i think he is a good captain, he commands great respect from his division, and none want to step out of line for fear he would get hurt.

and if your gonna say he cant walk, well he is up battling yama-jii just now, so he can still get up when he needs to :p

[DocInsanity]

Well the main job of a Captain is to hold control over the squad he's captain of.. for me it looks like he's doing that pretty good..

Well you can say a captain is the same as a Admin .. so Ukitake is a Admin that aint online much but keep control of the place he's admining XD

But a captain is supposed to be an example for the other members in his division. At the moment all Ukitake symoblizes is weakeness. And an admin that doesn't do a lot of work usually gets kicked out :D

I agree that Ukitake was in an amazing condition to fight yama-ji and i was really surprised :). I expected him to fall over and die when Yama-ji released his reitsu :LOL:. But even though ukitake was good enough to fight yamamoto, he couldn't maintain his body to kill a mere hollow.:eek:

[MVIK]

He's fighting with Yama-ji..... Yama-ji is stronger than any other hollow.

[Raku]

But a captain is supposed to be an example for the other members in his division. At the moment all Ukitake symoblizes is weakeness. And an admin that doesn't do a lot of work usually gets kicked out :D

I agree that Ukitake was in an amazing condition to fight yama-ji and i was really surprised :). I expected him to fall over and die when Yama-ji released his reitsu :LOL:. But even though ukitake was good enough to fight yamamoto, he couldn't maintain his body to kill a mere hollow.:eek:


o.O I think you take Ukitake being sick too high - it's not all the time his illness is active. On the captains from the meeting it doesn't sound like he's sick evry day..

[Nood]

Well i like him as a character, and he looks like a good captain too. Atleast by hes "vice-captains" i can tell that hes division respects him greatly.
And he also has twin blades thus hes ownage.
But due to hes illness probably he will be the first one to die :)

(even tho i dont know how a soul can be sick...)

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

He's fighting with Yama-ji..... Yama-ji is stronger than any other hollow.

No, he's not!!! A vastarode or the supposed grand hollow would whipe the floor with him! His performance in such a battle would truly make you believe that he is an old man. An arancar of one of the two would be even worse. They would rip his beard off just to show the disparity in power and then kill him. Then all the shinigami would acknowledge the power of hollows and become vaizards. All will be right.

[DocInsanity]

Yama-Ji might be stronger than a hollow, but it just seems that Ukitake's condition is really uncertain. He can fight the strongest of all people (and get kicked in the ass:) ) but he can't destroy a hollow.

And most of the time when Ukitake is shown, he is either in bed or otherwise he's spitting out blood. And when Rukia meats Kaien ( correct me if im wrong) he says something like "im the person who's really in charge here" and "You can call me Kaien taichou if u want to" This shows that Kaien had more control over the division than Ukitake.

If ukitake was good at controlling his subs. why can't he control those two 3rd seats. I wish he would, they are really annoying :( (Funny but annoying)

[Polygon]

How is he not controlling the third seats? Besides he is not in bed all of his life. He has a desiese that at certain times causes stuff to happen. He is one of the stronger captians.



And Kyouka Suigetsu there is no way yama-jii will lose to ONE vastoorode. I thin he can take about 4.

[DocInsanity]

How is he not controlling the third seats? Besides he is not in bed all of his life. He has a desiese that at certain times causes stuff to happen. He is one of the stronger captians.


And Kyouka Suigetsu there is no way yama-jii will lose to ONE vastoorode. I thin he can take about 4.



HE can't stop those guys from arguing...AT ALL. The are like such annoying suck ups...funny suck ups i should add but yet annoying. I disagree about the fact that he is one of the stronger captain's. With the disease he had, u never know when he would fall over and spit out blood. So he could fight a stong captain like Komomaru and win and if he's sick he could lose to ikkaku or maybe even yumichika:LOL:

yamaji might be able to beat a visored, but after aizen joined the "dark side" he might have become a hollow/shinigami as well and his power would eb unmentionable. so we will have to see about that

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I assure you that Yama-jii would be on his knees in the presence of a Vastarode's spirit pressure. He would be crying and sweating like Nanao-chan. Then it would rip his beard off because he's so pathetic. Watch, it will happen. Hitsugaya knows what he's talking about when he says "one vastarode can take any captain." After all he is a little kid so he knows everything. :winking56

[Polygon]

HE can't stop those guys from arguing...AT ALL. The are like such annoying suck ups...funny suck ups i should add but yet annoying. I disagree about the fact that he is one of the stronger captain's. With the disease he had, u never know when he would fall over and spit out blood. So he could fight a stong captain like Komomaru and win and if he's sick he could lose to ikkaku or maybe even yumichika:LOL:

yamaji might be able to beat a visored, but after aizen joined the "dark side" he might have become a hollow/shinigami as well and his power would eb unmentionable. so we will have to see about that

He IS one of the stronger one's. I don't even know if Ichigo can beat him. (hollow excluded)And he controlles them very well.


AND, Kyouka Suigetsu No, just no. 4,5 or 6 at max. but one? hell no.

And he says 110 will spell doom for SS. nothing more. He is too young to have seen yama0jii fight, probaley.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

If ten could destroy the whole of SS, then 1 can take down Yamamoto. It would put his little fire blade out just by breathing on it. Then it would add a hundred more slashes on his body to give the others some new company. To add insult to injury the vastarode would step on his head and crush it like a melon. Then his oh so masculine vice-captain would pull out his oh so impressive rapier and get pwned as well.

[Polygon]

If ten could destroy the whole of SS, then 1 can take down Yamamoto. It would put his little fire blade out just by breathing on it. Then it would add a hundred more slashes on his body to give the others some new company. To add insult to injury the vastarode would step on his head and crush it like a melon. Then his oh so masculine vice-captain would pull out his oh so impressive rapier and get pwned as well.

That makes.............no sense................

There is a reason he said ten. You're saying that 1 will destroy SS. Read bleach

[MVIK]

U dont like him do u? U're underestimating him alot, u know.

[Polygon]

U dont like him do u? U're underestimating him alot, u know.

Whose [post were you replying to?

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Yamamoto isn't the SS. Saying one vastarode taking down the old man is the same as taking down Soul Society doesn't make sense. Hitsugaya is saying that it would only take ten of them to kill every shinigami if they all attacked simultaneously. Hell, Ulquiorra destroyed Benihime's attack with a single slash of his sword. If he was serious he probably would've killed both of them, but as he said "they're trash."

Honestly, I've been joking around this whole time. I think Yama-jii is probably 1.5 x as powerful as a Vastarode and it would take 2 with some difficulty to take him down.

[Polygon]

You were, joking?!?!?!?! Sorry but it didn't sound like it ........

[DocInsanity]

If ten could destroy the whole of SS, then 1 can take down Yamamoto. It would put his little fire blade out just by breathing on it. Then it would add a hundred more slashes on his body to give the others some new company. To add insult to injury the vastarode would step on his head and crush it like a melon. Then his oh so masculine vice-captain would pull out his oh so impressive rapier and get pwned as well.

:LOL: Kyouka you don't like the old man a lot do you...but i would have to agree with Kyouka on one thing. Yama-ji would have some trouble with the visored's if 10 would spell doom for soul society then 4 good visoredswould be more than enough to spell doom for yama-ji. The visored' that we have seen so far are not much of a sight and haven't done a lot that should amaze us but still Hitsugaya's words still ring a bell in my mind. "at their highest power 10 would spell the end of soul society"

And i would like to state that Yama-moto is amazingly strong and that i beleive that he can easily defeat 100 Ukitake's with no trouble at all.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

These are some hints:

1) It will rip his beard off to show the disparity in power (that will never happen)

2) Hitsugaya knows what he's talking about when he says "one vastarode can take any captain." After all he is a little kid so he knows everything. (saying he's still a kid so maybe he's wrong, plus, the wink smiley was there)

3) It would put his little fire sword out just by breathing on it. (obviously won't happen, but would be hella funny)

I know, those were only 3 out of like 5 posts. Anyway, I like to sound convincing when I'm joking around so people think I'm serious. :biggrinki

[Z_Blitz]

You guys think of Ukitake as being too weak because of his sickness, but have we actually seen the guy in action? Never! I mean the only time we have seen him fight was against that hollow and he was owning him unitl his sickness kicked in... Fighting level - capability wise Ukitake would be more or less like Shunsui... True that Yama-ji would wipe the floor with him, but who can' Yama-ji wipe the floor with... You guys are talking to the one and only general of the Gotei 13... He ought to be stronger than them all! Besides we don't know what Ukitake's shikai abilities are and we have no clue how his bankai is... So you really can't say his weak! Besides he IS a captain... if he is as weak as some of you claim then Yumichika or Ikkaku would be captains instead of him...

[DocInsanity]

You guys think of Ukitake as being too weak because of his sickness, but have we actually seen the guy in action? Never! I mean the only time we have seen him fight was against that hollow and he was owning him unitl his sickness kicked in... Fighting level - capability wise Ukitake would be more or less like Shunsui... True that Yama-ji would wipe the floor with him, but who can' Yama-ji wipe the floor with... You guys are talking to the one and only general of the Gotei 13... He ought to be stronger than them all! Besides we don't know what Ukitake's shikai abilities are and we have no clue how his bankai is... So you really can't say his weak! Besides he IS a captain... if he is as weak as some of you claim then Yumichika or Ikkaku would be captains instead of him...

I think u misunderstood me...i said that Yumchika and Ikkaku could kick his ass if he were in his sick state. Even that hollow could defeat him when he was sick.

And thanks for your last comment...i think that he should be replaced as captain and out someone a little more capable...maybe renji :D as captain.

[Polygon]

You guys think of Ukitake as being too weak because of his sickness, but have we actually seen the guy in action? Never! I mean the only time we have seen him fight was against that hollow and he was owning him unitl his sickness kicked in... Fighting level - capability wise Ukitake would be more or less like Shunsui... True that Yama-ji would wipe the floor with him, but who can' Yama-ji wipe the floor with... You guys are talking to the one and only general of the Gotei 13... He ought to be stronger than them all! Besides we don't know what Ukitake's shikai abilities are and we have no clue how his bankai is... So you really can't say his weak! Besides he IS a captain... if he is as weak as some of you claim then Yumichika or Ikkaku would be captains instead of him...

So true, You pretty much summed everything up. Also there is the fact that yama-jii said he was strong, even though he had a weak body.

[pansasama]

ok, i disagree with the peeps that think ukitake shouldn't be captain. the first requirement to become a capt is to acheive bankai, which he has (duh), but he is still maintaining that level, regardless of his illness. you don't reach a peak and expect to stay there without continuing to practice - yourichi implied that a little in her fight with soifong. so, he still has the skills to be at capt level
secondly, being a good leader is more than physical skills. how one interacts and maintains his team is very important. being there when your men need you is paramount. these are qualities that ukitake has. his men respect him. and they would do anything for him, and he for them.
you who oppose keep looking at the physical as the only reason to be capt. physical strength is only one part of being an effective leader. i would rather be in ukitake's team, with his illness and all, than with byakuya or mayuri (sp?). those two may be very strong, but they're horrible leaders!

[brolijc]

yup i agree with pansasama

[Nood]

First of all, what the hella fudge about you talking about with those hollow things and stuff? Did i miss soem episodes or maybe u just dont use fckin spoiler tags...
Anyway, even if hes weak because of the illness, i doubt that there is anyone who could replace him. Renji replace him? Than he would be by far the weakest captain. Since The other captains could kill Ukitake when he got a badtime with sickness. But any captain could own Renji when he is in hes best form :) I think even the 4th div captain :)

[Z_Blitz]

I think that you're the one that misunderstood me Doc... I was trying to say, if he really is as bad as you claim, then he wouldn't have been a captain! Ikkaku, Yumichika, Renji, would've taken his place if he were that weak. Pansasama also mentions something in her post that is quite interesting. Division-wise Ukitake has a very well collaberated division because of the fact that communication with his underlings is very open and easy. He treats them like they deserve to be treated not like Mayuri or Byakuya as pansasama mentioned. So that infact makes him a GREAT leader (Captain in this case)... One that would make other divisions jealous of him...

[Draffut]

While i agree that he shuld be, and is a great captain, alot of your reasoning about "caring for your squad and being there to help them" is a bunch of crap. Squad 12 and their captain Kurotsuchi Mayuri is a perfect example of this.

The reason he is a captain is that he was one of the originals, and despite his illness, is also one of the most powerful captains. As one other person said, if he was weak, someone like renji would challenge him. The fact that noone has, or if they have, they were swiftly defeated, is proof of this.

[pansasama]

draffut, i don't think it's crap about "the caring for your team and being there to help them". it's part of being a good leader. the question was "is ukitake suitable to be a capt?". that question to me means all aspects of a captain, not just whether he's the strongest physically. yes, he is ill. and that can have an effect in battle, but he's not incapacitated. he can still do his job and do it well. he is also intelligent and knows a lot of whats going on. another point of a good capt, 'cuz that might just save my a$$, while another squad gets killed in a surprise attack.

[DMC]

Yamamoto isn't the SS. Saying one vastarode taking down the old man is the same as taking down Soul Society doesn't make sense. Hitsugaya is saying that it would only take ten of them to kill every shinigami if they all attacked simultaneously. Hell, Ulquiorra destroyed Benihime's attack with a single slash of his sword. If he was serious he probably would've killed both of them, but as he said "they're trash."

Honestly, I've been joking around this whole time. I think Yama-jii is probably 1.5 x as powerful as a Vastarode and it would take 2 with some difficulty to take him down.

Can you answer this.. warning magna spoiler Whens the last time hitsugaya fought an vastrode or knows their limits? How does he know about the powers of them? Honestly it sounds a tad bit over exxagerated what he said. I wouldnt believed 100% of what he is saying. Unless he works for aizen or something its just a random guess..

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Yeah, I don't know how accurate he was myself. I even made a comment earlier that little kids tend to be "know it alls". I'm sure there are legends about the power of Vastoorodes. Whether or not they're true we don't know. Hell, we don't even know if any shinigami has ever come across one of them let alone done battle with one. What we do know is that they exist and probably have justified in some way the power level they've been categorized with. Maybe they're more powerful than an average captain? Octogon was right though when he said Old Man Yama is an a whole other level than any other captain (except for Aizen maybe?).

[Sunfire249]

Hmm, really I think that Ukitake is more than a capable captain. He was one of the original people... To make it to captain level you most definitly have to be skilled... I don't think the first squad captain would pick him if he wasn't talented.

[Polygon]

Yeah, I don't know how accurate he was myself. I even made a comment earlier that little kids tend to be "know it alls". I'm sure there are legends about the power of Vastoorodes. Whether or not they're true we don't know. Hell, we don't even know if any shinigami has ever come across one of them let alone done battle with one. What we do know is that they exist and probably have justified in some way the power level they've been categorized with. Maybe they're more powerful than an average captain? Octogon was right though when he said Old Man Yama is an a whole other level than any other captain (except for Aizen maybe?).

I believe that yama-jii is higher than aizen. not by as much as he is to the other captians. but by like 20 percent. But his zanpaktou is ownage. Anf yama0jii will have to think hard to defeat it, realy hard. Also I suspect that yama-jii may have been suspicious of aizen right from the start.



Sandal Hat
This is the correct use of the spoiler tags

[Fect]

Captains are highly qualified people- they have to be recommended by their peers to be a captain.

[Polygon]

Captains are highly qualified people- they have to be recommended by their peers to be a captain.

But was utitake recommended by anyone exept for yama-jii? Unless there were captians brefore utitake...... no likley.

[Shinomori]

Maybe it's all an illusion. I mean, Yama looks really old but he still is really powerful. Maybe for Ukitake's bankai, he spits diseased blood on people and they die or something.

(Just kidding.)

But seriously, he HAS to be powerful. He's one of the oldest and one of the most respected captains.

And he's cool. :D

[DMC]

Yeah, I don't know how accurate he was myself. I even made a comment earlier that little kids tend to be "know it alls". I'm sure there are legends about the power of Vastoorodes. Whether or not they're true we don't know. Hell, we don't even know if any shinigami has ever come across one of them let alone done battle with one. What we do know is that they exist and probably have justified in some way the power level they've been categorized with. Maybe they're more powerful than an average captain? Octogon was right though when he said Old Man Yama is an a whole other level than any other captain (except for Aizen maybe?).


I agree very major Magna SPOILER he makes it sound like the vastroodes are an army of yamamotos

[Sandal Hat]

Captains are highly qualified people- they have to be recommended by their peers to be a captain.
There are 2 other ways he could have been selected as a captain as well.

[Polygon]

There are 2 other ways he could have been selected as a captain as well.

True. But don't they all require something from captians? Yamato probaley did it the first time.

[DocInsanity]

You guys are saying that he was one of the ORIGINAL captains...do u have any idea what you're talking about??? Ukitake was one of the first captains to graduate from the academy that Yama-Ji built. It doesn't mean that there weren't any captains before him.

I finally have begun to accept the fact that Ukitake is strong enough. But his compassion and feelings for his underlings is just a burden on him. He should be like Kenpachi "If you come in my way, I'll cut through you".

And his caring for his subordinates gave him a "nice guy" image but it didn't help anybody.

[Sandal Hat]

How were there suppose to be any other captains if they didn't go through the academy?

[DocInsanity]

If they didn't go throught the academy, Yama-Ji was a captain before the academy came up and he could have decided who the other captains were. And there had to be someone maintained the captaincy post earlier on... and u seem to be forgetting, captains don't need to go through the academy to become a captain... (think about hitsugaya)

[sith29]

From what you are asuming hitsaguya didn't finish academy??

[NikitaDarkstar]

Well the way I look at it Ukitake is more than fit to be a captain. He was born sick and you can't be sick you're initre life and still become a captain if you're not strong, and you defently can't keep that position if you're not strong enough (remember how Kenpachi got his captain title? By killing whoever was captain before him, and that is an accepted way to become a captain). I think Ukitake is a heck of a lot stronger than he shows.
Also don't you think his illness was considerd when he became a captain? I think it was but he must have had enough good sides to him to outweigh that weakness..

[Esedess]

Maybe his power is really really amazing but his illness limits it to being a half-decent captain only...

[zembu]

he probably isnt limited by the sickness all the time but just has episodes when it kicks in and brings him down

[Yachiru_chan]

Yes, he can't be weak all the time otherwise I don't think that he would have been picked as a captain.

[SmallKid57]

ukitake is cool! and he looks pretty strong. its just b/c he's sick and stuff. but he's probably still pretty strong even though he has the sickness, so he's able to maintain his position as captain

[sith29]

Yes and just imagine ho strong he would be if he hasn't so fragile health.

[Sandal Hat]

If they didn't go throught the academy, Yama-Ji was a captain before the academy came up and he could have decided who the other captains were. And there had to be someone maintained the captaincy post earlier on... and u seem to be forgetting, captains don't need to go through the academy to become a captain... (think about hitsugaya)
Where was it stated that Hitsugaya didn't go through the Academy?

[Zephyrite]

If you think about what Ukitake did to the giant halberd and his ability to even go up against yama-jii then he is a good captain.

[akin_t]

I think he's very capable, I mean like Zephy said he had the courage to go against yama-jii, and courage like that doesn't come with out the skill to back it up

[Hansy]

He's suitable when he's healthy enough to do something. Which he seems to be whenever its convenient so w/e.

[bebe50UL]

well i like Ukitake and i do think he is suitable enough to be a captain. well yeah when hes sick (which is always) he doesn't show up to important meetings but when Rukia was goin to die, he did come and tried to stop it, so basically i'm sayin, hes loyal and like Yamamoto.. everyone respects him and hes well liked around everyone. and also, he is strong even tho he has some sort of disease..

[Wren]

He is quite powerful...i dont think his sickness is bad as he lets on though, i mean can a spirit die for sickness?

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I wonder what his soul slayer does. It probably has something to do with lightning and control of the weather based on what was said in the incantation. Blah, why did they have to throw in that battle between him, Shunsui, and Yama-jii without showing any techniques? That's just not right....

[ultimate]

i think ukitake is a good captain, he is well respected by the members of his division and probably by some others that do not belong to his division... yorouichi seems to respect him also when she took ichigo away to train for bankai without bringing along hanatarou and ganju cos she knew ukitake wouldnt harm them or cause trouble or watever... i think ukitakes sickness comes at unpredictable times like during the flashback with kaien being possessed

[MVIK]

Hehe....so many ppl have the same view as me.

[DocInsanity]

This just seems absurd...going against a 100 people :LOL:

No one seems to remember when Ukitake was trying to save Rukia against the posessed Kaien. His sickness got hold of him and he couldn't portect a person from his own division.

Ukitake is a good shinigami and maybe he has an overwhelming power. He is courageous and all the stuff that a person needs to fill in the captin post by theory.
But in the actual life, Ukitake's sickness might come at "unfortunate events" and it may cause his downfall. for example If ukitake was to fight an arankar and his sickness came at that time, does anyone think he would survive???

And for my claim that Hitsugaya didn't go through the academy, I read it once in the manga and im pretty sure i saw it in the anime. This is one of the resons he's called the Genius.

[T_Ichigo]

Of course Ukitake is a good captain ... he wouldn't be Yama-ji's favourite if he wasn't lol .. And I'm convinced that he's strong to, apart from the illness .. He just release his shikai if he is forced to, when there is not any choices. Despite his illness, he can still keep his status as a captain, that's to good isn't it ?

[Fariswheel]

This just seems absurd...going against a 100 people :LOL:

No one seems to remember when Ukitake was trying to save Rukia against the posessed Kaien. His sickness got hold of him and he couldn't portect a person from his own division.

Ukitake is a good shinigami and maybe he has an overwhelming power. He is courageous and all the stuff that a person needs to fill in the captin post by theory.
But in the actual life, Ukitake's sickness might come at "unfortunate events" and it may cause his downfall. for example If ukitake was to fight an arankar and his sickness came at that time, does anyone think he would survive???

And for my claim that Hitsugaya didn't go through the academy, I read it once in the manga and im pretty sure i saw it in the anime. This is one of the resons he's called the Genius.


THe idea that you are ignoring is that for trhe most part, if any non captian went up against what you mentioned in the spoiler, they would lose, even if they did not get sick.

Additionally, he could probably finish it off before any bout of sickness, we have not seen anyone of his power level fight what you mentioned.

[vittorio301]

I dont know why everyone is saying or things Ukitake is weak and should be replaced. He is a well respected capt and Yama ji even stated tht he is one of the strongest Taichou. That alone is enuff. But the thing that he is sick..oh well....as long as he maintains respect hes good enuff for me. And he has Bankai..nuff said.

[SoulReaper_Ichigo]

I don't really think he should be replaced but his age is quite young i agreed

[sith29]

And for my claim that Hitsugaya didn't go through the academy, I read it once in the manga and im pretty sure i saw it in the anime. This is one of the resons he's called the Genius.

He is called a genius because he become captain in such young age and he become it very quick. Hinamori, Renji and Kira joined gotei 13 long before him nad they are only VC( altought renji can be a captain now) Yet hitsaguya who joined 13th Divisions much later have become captain so easly.

[MVIK]

And for my claim that Hitsugaya didn't go through the academy, I read it once in the manga and im pretty sure i saw it in the anime. This is one of the resons he's called the Genius.

He's called a Genius because he could become a Captain in such a young age n lots of ppl that are older than him is still either unseated in a Division or are sweeping the floor of Seireitei.

[DocInsanity]

Of course Ukitake is a good captain ... he wouldn't be Yama-ji's favourite if he wasn't lol .. And I'm convinced that he's strong to, apart from the illness .. He just release his shikai if he is forced to, when there is not any choices. Despite his illness, he can still keep his status as a captain, that's to good isn't it ?

No one said that he was yamaji's favourite...he liked him and shunsui, but no one said that he was Yama-Ji's favourite.

And someone said that if he was sick, he could still protect himself against other vice captains. I highly doubt that. He might be able to take on some seated officers, but i doubt he could take on a VC. And at the moment im a 100 % sure he can't take on ikkaku, Yumchika or Renji. Renji was given a captaincy post, Ikkaku was also offered the post but he declined and since yumchika is as strong as Ikkaku, he could surely whip some ukitake ass

The only reason i beleive Ukitake is still a captain is because everyoen respects him. Especially those annoying third seat jackasses.

[Z_Blitz]

You need to review all posts again before saying that Ukitake shouldn't be a captain... Here I'll tell you something interesting... If you think that he's incapable of being a good captain you think Yama-ji will let him stay as captain of the 13th division? Hell no! Besides even Yama-ji admitted that Ukitake is exceptional... This is what he says to both Ukitake and Shunsui before they fight.. "Both of you had exceptional powers to begin with" he also adds saying "And when it came to fighting both your powers were beyond exceptional and without flaw... None among your peers or seniors could stand against you" So you can NEVER say Ukitake is weak! Period! End of discussion!

[yachiru]

Ukitake may look weak due to his sickness he wouldn't be a captain if he couldn't prove himself in all situations

[SmallKid57]

yea! he could have super powers like breathing fire or something! or maybe he can fly and be superman! so dont judge wut u cant c! in my opinion i think he's pretty strong... so i think he should stay, ppl are saying that he's weak b/c he has a sickness. its like me saying zaraki is weak b/c he doesnt have a bankai or shikai.

[DocInsanity]

yea! he could have super powers like breathing fire or something! or maybe he can fly and be superman! so dont judge wut u cant c! in my opinion i think he's pretty strong... so i think he should stay, ppl are saying that he's weak b/c he has a sickness. its like me saying zaraki is weak b/c he doesnt have a bankai or shikai.

You can't compare kenpachi to ukitake...and kenpachi mihgt someday learn the shikai and ban-kai :). im not even gonna talk about the begining of your post :eek13:

His sickness is the only reason i beleive he should not be captain...i have been forced to beleive that Ukitake is a good captain...god job all the million people against me :).

[Hanatarou-smiles-]

Think about this, if you're so against Ukitake having an illness, then why don't you go against Unohana. I mean she is this major healer but she can't seem to help him anymore than letting him lay in bed with a bag on ice on his head. Ukitake is strong, he has bankai and he maintains it very well. I think that's all you really need to be a captain. Kenpachi is just too powerful that he couldn't be anything but captain.
Are you catching my drift you people who are against Ukitake 'cause he's sick?

[Bankai!!]

He may have a deadly virus but he looks really strong because when he released his shikai he had some barrier and the two nice swords. By the way after he came out of some room he had a sheild and the spear that is specialized for the shinhuin family he barely coughed after that. Actually he never coughed after.

[lmegera]

I think the sickness is uncurable, and i think Ukitake knows his death is apparent. Yet, he is strong when he needs to be and shows devout loyalty to his subordinates. I wonder if his sickness is rather recent....

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

It can't be too recent. When we see Rukia meeting Kaien, he mentions that Ukitate is very sick, and that he pretty much ran things around there (which implies that the captain had been sick for quite a while).

[Hanatarou-smiles-]

I'm soooo glad you guys like him, I really hate it when people say he shouldn't be a captain. Still, I'll just keeping posting my thoughts and arguments or agreements.

[Jedi28]

Doesn't Yama-jin say Utikate was one of the very best and none could best him? I think it's during the fight between him, Utikate and that other guy (forget his name, VC is nano-chan)

[ponsy]

IMO I think Ukitake would make a better captain overall than say, Zaraki. Yes, Zaraki is strong, but I can't imagine him doing anything captain-like, besides fighting. And like many people have mentioned, being captain isn't all about being strong.

Also, if you don't think Ukitake has his subordinates under control (the two 3rd seats), what about Yachiru? She's a vice Captain. I can't imagine Yachiru doing anything vice captain like either, the only thing she seems to do is cruise around Zaraki's back. But she's probably a vice captain because of her high reiatsu. Besides, if you find Ukitake's subordinates annoying, that's your opinion, that doesn't mean he doesn't have them under control. One could argue that Unohana's the one who doesn't have her subordinates under control, having Hanatarou going around helping ryokas in the first place.

So if Zaraki and Yachiru can be captain and vice captain without anything but strength, then I don't see why Ukitake isn't suitable to be a captain because of his illness, when he has so much more to his disposal than just pure strength.

[easilyAddicted]

yah, Yama did say Ukitake were one of the best way back then, but even then he was still prone to illness. i like Ukitake, he's so sweet & kind, too bad he's always sick. seems weak, but if he was, then people would of challenged him, & he won't be a captain, right?! but apparently no one's strong enough to over throw him.

[Hanatarou-smiles-]

YAY!! More people you disagree with people saying he shouldn;t be a captain!!

[AznPoi]

He's pure pwnage. Don't let that sickness fool you. Under that sickness is a fighting machine. Remember he's one of the first captains in soul society either 2nd or 3rd since he and the other dude i forgot were first to graduate.

[sith29]

Yeah he is good captain. and he fight with yama and wasn't deafeated in second. so he must be pretty strong since Aizen is probably as strong as yama and he defeated few captain levels shinigami in an instant.

[Hanatarou-smiles-]

Oh yeah, we're on a roll!!!

[eiChi]

of course he is. if not, then he wouldn;t be the captain for the 13th division :p even though he's sick, he still proved to be capable of becoming a captain and fight alongside with the other captains.

[choujiwong]

of course he is. if not, then he wouldn;t be the captain for the 13th division :p even though he's sick, he still proved to be capable of becoming a captain and fight alongside with the other captains."sobs", I'm so touched!! Yeah, if he doesn't deserve to be a captain, Yama-jii will surely kick his butt out of the 13th division and replace him with another captain. He's definitely a capable captain and I respect him eventhough he's fictional character.

[sherenetms]

Exactly! Ukitake is a very highly respected captain as well as a responsible, kind, wise, strong, efficient, understanding and lovable character. Did you see how the 2 3rd seats kept trying to get his attention? That proves that he's more than a something-he's everything!!(For me especially)

Anyone who critises, opposes or doubted ukitake's ability has better be careful. You might get hit by a car driven by a mysterious person or got poison to death when u dine in a restaurant............

[eiChi]

Exactly! Ukitake is a very highly respected captain as well as a responsible, kind, wise, strong, efficient, understanding and lovable character. Did you see how the 2 3rd seats kept trying to get his attention? That proves that he's more than a something-he's everything!!(For me especially)

Anyone who critises, opposes or doubted ukitake's ability has better be careful. You might get hit by a car driven by a mysterious person or got poison to death when u dine in a restaurant............

yea..seriously..this girl will do wad she'd just said.coz she's big ukitake fan ^.^U

[Lovekiller93]

He is suitable to be a captain. He is one of the first graduates with Shunsui after all. He manages his division well. I mean, he isn't sick all the time. And for a sick captain to be capable enough to manage a division... That's one out of the million reasons why people respects him

[Kazuya]

He only couldn`t stand long fights. But nevertheless he manages his division well.

[Shinji]

Absolutely. Maybe he's sick but as said before he manages his division very well. Also, I saw somebody said that he can barely walk around, that's not true, he can walk around just fine and he began the fight against Yama-jii without his sickness getting in the way. I also think that he's better suitable to be a captain than Mayuri, despite his sickness.

[Rabid_Wolverine]

He manages the divisioon very well. He's capable and his fighting skills are very good. His illness is his only problem. When he goes badass with Sougy no Kotowari then you're history.

[anaguma_kun]

ukitake is a gd leader he posses the qualities
the question is if he shows them/ uses them

[me_and-all_me]

hes a tight commander, just cuz hes sick means nothing, he got da experience

[sparkle_freeze]

I think he's good enough though he's not exactly in the pink of health. Taichous don't only fight you know. Most importantly is how he still gains respect from his division.. Plus if he does need to fight, I don't imagine him losing easily either. Perhaps strong at heart?

[sherenetms]

Ukitake all the way!!!!! YAyay!! He has the ability and being sick is not an excuse for him to step down from his post as a captain. And he doesn't need to fight all the time....i'll fight for him, even if it means my death is certain, i don't give a damn!

[AltoK]

Yes. A Captain's job is not essentially fighting. Bashing Hollows' head is not too much difficult for his subordinates, so he shouldn't have to fight much.
Yet, seems a Captain has quite a good amount of administrative work.

Anyway, Ukitake seems to fight pretty well for someone sick.

Also, being sick, he could have retreated from his Captain seat, I believe. He did not, surely because of being passionnate for his job and because he feels better with his men. I can't think of anyone with these qualities not being suitable for a Captain seat.

And, to finish, Ukitake did pass the taichou test. So, he is suitable as a Captain (he didn't find his Captain seat left alone by some river).

[I fail at life]

Don't underestimate Ukitake... seriously.

[kimon]

Ukitake? well hes not sick all the time, he wasnt coughin and dyin when he was fightin yama jii, plus yama jii also comments that he was one of the strongest students he ever had, plus he has a two sword zanpakuto, outside of the other guy i forget. plus hes nice and compassionate and shows leadership qualities

[AltoK]

That other guy is Kyouraku Shunsui, 8th Division's Captain :)

[Talimor]

He's a chill guy, but being sick all the time is not very captain like.

[sherenetms]

He's still a captain despite being sick, isn't he? Plus, he is not sick all the time like what kimon said. He's sick but he passed the taichou test, became a taichou, lead his division very well, is one of the strongest taichous and earns respects from many people including the other captains, that must be more than just captain-like, right? I support ukitake till the end of my life.
Ukitake roxxxx!!!!

And, oOooOo_ i like altok's avatar. The way ukitake stares just melts my heart away...........

[Naeko]

You're right,sherenetms-san...but I like my own avatar better;)