chapter 206: Mala Suerte! 5 LUCKY (Spoiler+pics)

[asukasun]

Pics (http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7281/bleach2064dj.th.jpg)

Ikaku won against Edorad. Then there is a flashback. Ikaku lost during his living time in rukongai against Kenpachi. Then their is also a flashback that Ikaku was asked to became a captain of the 3rd, 5th or 9th division but he refused because he wants to stay in the 11th Division. It ends with Renji using Bankai and with a little Scene of Hitsugaya.


http://www.bleachforums.com/showthread.php?t=10481 (http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JALR4HDCZA6V3P5DCSHZ11LKD)
the raw (http://www.bleachforums.com/showthread.php?t=10481)

[Jasper]

Ikkaku won?! And here I thought he would definitely lose... Gotta go see it as soon as possible! Histugaya is finally under the spotlight huh? Its about time...

[Qc0Jh1axT]

YAY! Thanks!! ^__^

YES IKKAKU! ^^ I was soooo afraid of him losing!

[Unrefined-Nemesis]

Can't Wait For Someone To Sub IT Soon.....I Want To Know Whether Renji Did Become A Captain Of A Squad....

[Ace]

I bet he did because he is seen trying to pursuade Ikkaku to become one so it would be hypocritical if he wasn't

[Jinchuu]

Well wonder why Renji was not promoted in the first place since he has achieved Ban Kai as well and probably he achieved it before Ikkaku did.

By the way, Illforte looks pretty cool.

[Kalikiano]

No, Renji couldn't have been promoted or even asked yet, remember how they said you need to train for at least 10 years after attaining bankai?
I think Ikkaku must have had Bankai for a while, otherwise why would he be offered a captains position?
Oh, and if Ikkaku was so strong that he was offered a captain's position, why did he lose so badly to Ichigo?

[ChronoTrigga]

From the pics I've seen, looks like Ikkaku lost. o_O

[Kalikiano]

Well, I haven't read the chapter yet, I am going off based on the posts above.
And did you read 206 or are you talking about 205?

[Injektilo]

From the pics I've seen, looks like Ikkaku lost. o_O
No, I think the pics were he's all crippled and stuff are part of his flashback to the fight against Zaraki. I think he beat the Arrankar.

EDIT: Looks to my like Renji's gonna be on the receiving end of yet another beating though, he unleashes Bankai, then gets cut by the guy who's not yet released his Zanpakutoh and meanwhile Renji has done nothing to him. Renji is the whipping boy of Bleach, I'd give Hanatarou favourable odds against him. ;)

[Polygon]

No, Renji couldn't have been promoted or even asked yet, remember how they said you need to train for at least 10 years after attaining bankai?
I think Ikkaku must have had Bankai for a while, otherwise why would he be offered a captains position?
Oh, and if Ikkaku was so strong that he was offered a captain's position, why did he lose so badly to Ichigo?

I think that he was offered a position as captian. But only because they were in such a dire need of captians.

[ChronoTrigga]

I take it back, those were flashback scenes. :D I looked at the pictures before the summary.

[DocInsanity]

Is the 206 raw in download-able form yet?

[Capthxc]

how sad :(
i was kind of hoping ikkaku would become a captain, but his loyalty to the 11th division pretty much screwed him there. He would look great with the captain cloak too

[ultimate]

weird... there was a day before yumichika became girly? i wonder wat made him girly lol so did ikkaku get hurt badly or not? cos there is this pic of him all badly damged from a fight, is that the flashback with zaraki or the present fight with edorad? ikkaku is probably quite experienced with his bankai if renji wanted ikkaku to become captain, though according to the summary, renji says that no other vice captain has achieved bankai but hasnt renji achieved bankai? btw does the summary mean that ikkaku was offered the position of captain or is it just that renji wanted ikkaku to become captain? so many questions lol anyway good and interesting chapter

[Jasper]

I think you got all the info jumbled up! Ikkaku was offered to be a captain, Renji has nothing at all to do with it... And I think his injuries were from his recent fight because he already sustained them in chapter 205... What's Yumichika got to do with this? =S

[ultimate]

wasnt yumichika in some flashback when zaraki beat ikkaku and didnt kill him? i was just saying how weird it was for yumichika not acting girly back in the rukongai [spelling?...] days with ikkaku, zaraki and yachiru and now yumichika does act girly... and renji says something like ikkaku would do fine as a captain for the 3rd, 5th or 9th division... this is where i got it from: http://www.bleachforums.com/showthread.php?t=10481

[brolijc]

if Ikkaku was offered the position as a captain, why did he even lose to Ichigo -_- when you achieve Ban Kai, even without releasing it you should be able to kick Ichigo's ass at the time he was fighting Ikkaku... also, Ikkaku at a captain's level, then how about Yachiru... she is supposingly so much stronger than Ikkaku

also, i'm getting bored with other fights, just show me the fight between Ichigo and Grimjaw, i'm quite sure Ichigo will get trashed, look at how strong Grimjaw is... maybe his father will come and save him

[Injektilo]

No, Ikkaku was offered the position of Captain recently, as in, after Gin, Tousen and Aizen legged it back to Heuco Mundo. There're now three Captaincy's open for the taking and only Ikkaku and Renji are qualified for the job.

[jagged]

I think theres a power gap with ichigo and everyone else. They arent telling Ichigo anything and its sorta pissing me off that all these low ranking officers are suddenly learning bankai I want to know how most of the 11th division is learning there bankais because its being done over such a short time. So ichigo is looking quite weak and pathetic i hope he can harness the power of his hollow self and maybe become something different then even Aizen predicts.

[_Ink]

lol, dunno about everyelse, the pic you posted for the chapter is gone, i think bandwidth exceeded. only a small thumbnail there

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7281/bleach2064dj.jpg

There's the link he should have posted.

[lazyking]

i cant wait to see chapter 206 right now.....
ikkaku is much more stronger den ichigo if they fight again... coz ichigo had juz got his bankai but i think ikkaku has his bankai long ago....
i remember yumichika said before " so you decide to use it afterall" after ikkaku use his bankai...tat means he got his bankai much more early den ichigo.....and his bankai seems powerful.....

[Offkorn]

i cant wait to see chapter 206 right now.....
ikkaku is much more stronger den ichigo if they fight again... coz ichigo had juz got his bankai but i think ikkaku has his bankai long ago....
i remember yumichika said before " so you decide to use it afterall" after ikkaku use his bankai...tat means he got his bankai much more early den ichigo.....and his bankai seems powerful.....

Ichigo beat him the first time, and now he's more powerfull and Ikkaku isn't (allegedly), so he'd lose again.

[summerslam]

ichigo beat ikkaku during the ss arc becoz.. the death gods in soul society are not allowed to fully release their soul slayer at that time.

[Jinchuu]

Still, if he knew Ban release he would have been much more powerful than Ichigo who doesn't even know anything about Zangetsu except his name.

[Offkorn]

ichigo beat ikkaku during the ss arc becoz.. the death gods in soul society are not allowed to fully release their soul slayer at that time.

As I told the last person who brought up this point:

That is incorrect, they weren't allowed to release their soul slayers AT ALL at that point, meaning he already broke the rules at that point. Or do you not remember how Captain Ukitake grabbed Captain Kuchiki after releasing his Shinkai on the path to the tower?

Also, as Jinchuu said, he would have been much more powerfull simply knowing Bankai (if he didn't already). If Ichigo beat him when neither of them had gone to Bankai (and Ichigo didn't even know how to use his Shinkai), then he'd beat him just as easily if they were both at Bankai. Especially since Ichigo's Bankai makes him fast enough to easily keep up with Byakuya.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

I think theres a power gap with ichigo and everyone else. They arent telling Ichigo anything and its sorta pissing me off that all these low ranking officers are suddenly learning bankai I want to know how most of the 11th division is learning there bankais because its being done over such a short time. So ichigo is looking quite weak and pathetic i hope he can harness the power of his hollow self and maybe become something different then even Aizen predicts.


ichigo's powers are exaggerated enough already. it's good to see that at least right now he's settling down a bit from weakness. very soon i can definitely see him being like dragonball z blasting away again. if ichigo is always blasting and blasting it gets boring. he needs to be pathetic once in a while to balance out the readers' emotions (aka me)... and about 'low ranking officers suddenly learning bankais'. if you are talking about ikkaku, he is not what you call a 'low ranking officer suddenly learning bankai'. he's 3rd seat in 11th div and that's a high position considering him being in 11th div. we don't really know exactly WHEN did he acquire bankai so using the word 'suddenly' is unfair.

[Constantine]

Actually I dont think it takes 10 years to Master Bankai.

Well... to clarify I think it depends on the size. From the anime so far, it takes years to acheive manisfestation; but from there depending on the size and the skill level of the person is the amount of time to actually master it.

Thats why Renji didnt know what the hell was going on, and Ichigo was all slash happy. It was the size, Ichigo's Bankai was still at a size he was comfortable with; only actual training was the speed...

And from the looks of it we see renji with a Bankai again, I think this chapter will bring us into a closer scope of the time difference between Earth and SS.

And I have to agree, it does look like Ikkaku lost... that or barely barely won.

Either way he looks pretty f****d up.

[ade.hell]

what the hell is going on?!?!?!?!?! If Kubo Tite won't stop, he will make everyone, besides Byakuya and Aizen, to be born in 78-80 district!

[ocasas]

RAW is out for a while now...

Grab it here:
206RAW (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XAP5XAR3)

EDIT:
And here is a quick translation done by Lss from bleachforums


<Kenpachi>hold it there ...
<Kenpachi>why are you still alive
<Ikkaku>what do you mean! why didnt you give me a fatal hit! you won! kill be before leaving!
<Kenpachi>sorry i am not interested in people who can no longer fight.... furthermore i am not obliged to give you a fatal hit
<Ikkaku>Quit joking... are you taking me for a fool!? KILL ME!!!
<Kenpachi>stop kidding if you love combat dont stay here telling others to kill you
<kenpachi>dont seek death just because you lost! admit defeat only if you are dead!
<Kenpachi>if you dont die after losing it just means that you got lucky. at such times you only have to think about how to keep living!
<Kenpachi>after than you only have to think about how to kill the person who didnt manage to kill you
<Kenpachi>i didnt restrain while fighting you. not dying is your luck so stay alive.
<Kenpachi>live well afterwhich come kill me again
<Kenpachi>farewell
<Ikkaku>wait! wait a moment!!
<Ikkaku>you... tell me your name ..!
<Kenpachi>Kenpachi zaraki's kenpachi
<Ikkaku>i reject
<Renji>huh
<Ikkaku>sorry go look for someone else
<Renji>hold.. hold it ikkaku-sama
<Renji>there is only you to look for
<Renji>no other assistant-captain know bankai!! wrong even if there were, i still think only you are suited!!
<Renji>no matter three or five even nine. you should become the next captain!! only you can fill the shoes of aizen-sama and the rest.
<Renji>ikkaku-sama
<Ikkaku>rascal i told you when i taught you combat skills. other than you and yumichika i dont intend to teach others bankai
<Ikkaku>if the fact that i know bankai is known. wont other people like you come looking for me to be captain?
<Ikkaku>i have no desire to be captain. becomming captain means i cant fight under captain zaraki
<Ikkaku>if your desire is to overtake kuchiki byakuya. i only have one desire
<Ikkaku>i want to die in combat beside that guy
<Ikkaku>there you go. if you understand dont make me say it twice
<renji>understood!!
<yumichika>i knew it. i was thinking you should still be alive ikkaku
<Ikkaku>that goes without saying. i'm very lucky today.
<yumichika>great
<unknow>hahahaha(appears in every single bubble after that)

[Zangetsu Tensa]

rascal i told you when i taught you combat skills. other than you and yumichika i dont intend to teach others bankai
:eek13:

I hope that's either a bad translation, or I misread it.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

:eek13:

I hope that's either a bad translation, or I misread it.

Haha, I know what you mean. What the hell would Yumichika's bankai be? I'll take a guess. I think it would be a giant peacock with razor feathers and the ability to drain reiatsu. That would be just badass...

[Constantine]

wth does Kenpachi have to with stuff now?

was that a flashback?

...

And Yumichika's would be a giant peacock that feasted on your eyes!

muahahha

[Jerkface]

Its a flashback, and the translation is wrong it should read that he has only TOLD Yumi and Renji.

[ArchFate]

There are only like 10 people out of like 100,000 that are from 78-80 district and thats not a lot. Thats like .001% of the people. Also it would make sense that there are very strong people from the slums where you have to CONSTANTLY FIGHT to stay alive.

[Kenta]

Wow, those two that Hitsugaya and Renji are fighting must be really strong. They have already released their bankai while the Arankarr haven't even released their shikai! Renji is understandable but Hitsugaya is getting his ass whopped. He looks like he's already quite fatigued.

Can't imagine what the leader of the 5 is capable of.

[GaryDAI]

I think Matsumoto may almost be dead by now if she doesn't have Bankai. Hitsugaya and Renji are getting their ass kicked!

[Hits]

*random question* Where is Renji fighting again? I forgot. Is it at the front of Urahara's shop, if so...wouldn't Urahara and Yorouichi be there also and maybe they will fight and HOPEFULLY releasing their bankai! and OMG, kubo didn't let us actually see hitsugaya and renji releasing their bankais. he isnt telling us what hitsugaya's bankai does >.< Hopefully they won't get beatened. Isnt hitsugaya fighting two arrancars?

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Wow, those two that Hitsugaya and Renji are fighting must be really strong. They have already released their bankai while the Arankarr haven't even released their shikai! Renji is understandable but Hitsugaya is getting his ass whopped. He looks like he's already quite fatigued.

Can't imagine what the leader of the 5 is capable of.

Considering this we can be assured that Noname is going to make another appearance. Yay! I bet Hollow Ichigo will kick Grimmjow's ass. Ulquiorra even said he was more powerful than himself. It's probably going to be the last battle we see though....sadly.

[zembu]

what do you mean by the last battle we see?

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I meant that it's probably going to be the last battle we see out of the ones which have started.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

*random question* Where is Renji fighting again? I forgot. Is it at the front of Urahara's shop, if so...wouldn't Urahara and Yorouichi be there also and maybe they will fight and HOPEFULLY releasing their bankai!
Yes, it's likely that they may step in if things go badly for Renji.

and OMG, kubo didn't let us actually see hitsugaya and renji releasing their bankais. he isnt telling us what hitsugaya's bankai does >.< Hopefully they won't get beatened. Isnt hitsugaya fighting two arrancars?
The way things looked, I think it's very likely that we'll see Hitsugaya's bankai ability very soon. And no, he's fighting only one arrancar - Matsumoto should be handling the other. An interesting fact is that we get a better view of Dai Guren Hyorinmaru than before, and I was able to see details that escaped me before. It looks like ice formed talons around Hitsugaya's feet, also extending behind his head to make him look like a hawk - which explains the wings.

In any case, one reason why I believe that Matsumoto won't be quite dead yet is that she was fighting one of the fat, rotund arrancars, which I believe were made from the second-ranking hollows instead of the most powerful thin ones.

[Kenta]

Yeah, if that fat guy is something like the one Rukia defeated, then Matsumoto should be alright.

[Aragami]

It seems to me, as far as weapon use and power display, the shinigami have the advantage over the arrancar...I mean, evrey one I've seen aims for killing outright, which might still be a sign of still hidden ability/power, but judging from series continuity, they are fighting blind essentially. What I'm saying is as far as characters go, these guys are some serious haymaker types. And at the most, a haymaker can only work right once, so...bah, we'll just have to keep reaing and see...

[Jedi28]

Hey, I had two questions about the Manga and figured this was the safest thread to ask them in spoiler wise (for other people, not me). I haven't been able to properly download all the translated manga so I've been looking at some of the raw chapters.
Right after Aizen nearly kills Ichigo he starts babbling away and there are two flashbacks that look like Hollow Ichigo and Hollow Kaien (around chapter 165 or so) and I wondered what he was saying about them.
Then Rukia goes to talk to Ganju and Ganju's sister and ends up getting decked by Ganju's sister and I wondered what that was about. I'm assuming she's apologizing for Kaien's death but why she'd get hit? Anyway, that's all I was wondering. Thanks! :O)

[Injektilo]

Aizen's monologue: Did you know that there are four fighting styles among the Shinigami? They are: Zanjutsu (Sword), Hakuda (Hand-to-Hand), Hihou (Movement) and Kidoh (Demon Arts). However, there is a limit to each skill, no matter what technique a Shinigami masters, every spirit's strength is limited and it is impossible to surpass that limit. In other words, it is that Shinigami's Genkai (Limit). Then, is there a way to surpass that limit, and strengthen all of the techniques beyond Genkai? Yes, there is one way... That is... To become a Hollow. By transforming a Shinigami into a Hollow, or a Hollow into a Shinigami. If one of these is accomplished then that spirit's ability will be taken to new heights. In theory it seemed very plausible, I focused primarily on the transformation of Hollows into Shinigami and I was successful in creating Hollows that were close to Shinigami... Hollows that could conceal their Reiatsu... Hollows that could destroy a Zanpakutoh with their touch and then proceed to unite with any Shinigami. However, none of these were advanced enough to be called a "new being", our lack of knowledge impaired us and we were unable to create this "new being", a perfect hybrid.

Sorry for the big-ass paragraph, but it is all part of one monologue. He then goes on to discuss how he can create a perfect hybrid, but you should read that for yourself, a very good site to download them in English is: http://www.moonbeanmanga.net/, it's where I downloaded them from since I couldn't be assed footering around with this IRC thingummie.

Rukia apologizes and then Kukkaku says that Ukitake had already explained the situation and she had resolved to forgive Rukia if she said even one word of apology, but Rukia apologizes too much, so Kukkaku kicks the crap outta her :redbiggri

[kagenutto]

At least Kubo explained why Ikkaku has ban kai somewhat and I can live with the plausible explanation that he didn't want to completely stomp on ichigo by fighting him at an even level. Ichigo only had Shikai released so Ikkaku had Shikai released and was hoping he couldn't do Ban Kai so he wouldn't have to either.

However, if we get Matsumoto releasing a Ban Kai, I'm done with the series. Ban Kai's were suppose to be the realm of Captains and the occasional Vice Captain that is ready to fill the role of a Captain should it be needed.

[tednfs]

bleachtv.com has translated it

[DocInsanity]

Pics (http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7281/bleach2064dj.th.jpg)

Ikaku won against Edorad. Then there is a flashback. Ikaku lost during his living time in rukongai against Kenpachi. Then their is also a flashback that Ikaku was asked to became a captain of the 3rd, 5th or 9th division but he refused because he wants to stay in the 11th Division. It ends with Renji using Bankai and with a little Scene of Hitsugaya.


http://www.bleachforums.com/showthread.php?t=10481 (http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JALR4HDCZA6V3P5DCSHZ11LKD)
the raw (http://www.bleachforums.com/showthread.php?t=10481)

Ahem...from what i saw it looked like ikkaku lost and was beaten the shit out of...and the arancar was still standing.

[Jasper]

Actually Ikkaku did win... The arancar was saying his last words before his death...
That little scene with Hitsugaya is disappointing me... And here I thought he'd be the one with the least trouble... Seems like he has a lot on his hands already... I mean the guy was using Bankai already...
By the way as mentioned above the manga is translated and can be obtained from www.bleachtv.com

[MetalgearV2]

just downloaded the chapter, gotta say this chapter is nice, cant wait for the next chapter, should be some nice bankai action.

[thief.13]

i like the flashback part with kenpachi...

[Jedi28]

Aizen's monologue: Did you know that there are four fighting styles among the Shinigami? They are: Zanjutsu (Sword), Hakuda (Hand-to-Hand), Hihou (Movement) and Kidoh (Demon Arts). However, there is a limit to each skill, no matter what technique a Shinigami masters, every spirit's strength is limited and it is impossible to surpass that limit. In other words, it is that Shinigami's Genkai (Limit). Then, is there a way to surpass that limit, and strengthen all of the techniques beyond Genkai? Yes, there is one way... That is... To become a Hollow. By transforming a Shinigami into a Hollow, or a Hollow into a Shinigami. If one of these is accomplished then that spirit's ability will be taken to new heights. In theory it seemed very plausible, I focused primarily on the transformation of Hollows into Shinigami and I was successful in creating Hollows that were close to Shinigami... Hollows that could conceal their Reiatsu... Hollows that could destroy a Zanpakutoh with their touch and then proceed to unite with any Shinigami. However, none of these were advanced enough to be called a "new being", our lack of knowledge impaired us and we were unable to create this "new being", a perfect hybrid.

Sorry for the big-ass paragraph, but it is all part of one monologue. He then goes on to discuss how he can create a perfect hybrid, but you should read that for yourself, a very good site to download them in English is: http://www.moonbeanmanga.net/, it's where I downloaded them from since I couldn't be assed footering around with this IRC thingummie.

Rukia apologizes and then Kukkaku says that Ukitake had already explained the situation and she had resolved to forgive Rukia if she said even one word of apology, but Rukia apologizes too much, so Kukkaku kicks the crap outta her :redbiggri

Thank you very much! Yeah, I can't figure out the IRC thing so I'll definitely try the other place. So, Aizen basically implies he created the Hollow that caused the death of Kaien. Interesting. :)

[Draffut]

Thank you very much! Yeah, I can't figure out the IRC thing so I'll definitely try the other place. So, Aizen basically implies he created the Hollow that caused the death of Kaien. Interesting. :)

I thought the exact same thing. Thats screwed up dude. o_O

[Ju-Ni]

Hello!

I finished chapter 206 ... sorry for the delay; I had a hardware problem with my computer.

The archive is already mailed to Unholy - should appear on the frontpage shortly.

For the one's who cannot wait for Unholy to post about the scanlated chapter:
Bleach 206 HQ - http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=2254796

Have fun.

[kt2005]

Man, so disapointted. Hitsugaya turns out to be the weakest. Given the titles "Boy Genius" "the strongest ice-type" then follow up with losing and trouble. I hope he don't die.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Man, so disapointted. Hitsugaya turns out to be the weakest. Given the titles "Boy Genius" "the strongest ice-type" then follow up with losing and trouble. I hope he don't die.
We don't know the circumstances under which he is having trouble. He has a gash across the face, which could've happened before he went bankai. Hell, he might've just went bankai seconds before we got to see him. For all we know, Matsumoto might've gotten her ass kicked and Hitsugaya could be fighting two Arrancars at once. It's too early to jump to conclusions.

[Injektilo]

Smart money is on Renji getting his ass bailed out by Urahara since he's basically incapable of winning a fight. For some reason I got the impression that Matsumoto had a nasty Shikai ability although that is of course pure speculation, but I suppose even if she did have a very good one it'd make little difference against an Arrankar. Still, I'd imagine that being a comparitively old VC (She probably graduated from the Academy some time similiar to Gin, maybe a year later or whatever?) she'd be canny enough to hold it up long enough for Hitsugaya to finish his fight 1v1 and then give him time to help her.

Who knows, it's pretty confusing and open to interpretation at the moment.

[Polygon]

Man, so disapointted. Hitsugaya turns out to be the weakest. Given the titles "Boy Genius" "the strongest ice-type" then follow up with losing and trouble. I hope he don't die.

You can't say that. He is fighting a vastoorode. They are supposed to be strongerr than captians. Only makes sense that he wouls use banaki. And we don't know the situation.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

You can't say that. He is fighting a vastoorode. They are supposed to be strongerr than captians. Only makes sense that he wouls use banaki. And we don't know the situation.
He's not just fighting a Vastoorode which by itself would have power to match a captain, but a Vastoorode Arrancar.

[Polygon]

He's not just fighting a Vastoorode which by itself would have power to match a captain, but a Vastoorode Arrancar.

True meaning about double te reitsu.

BTW, is it known if when hitsugaya was talking about the vastoorode if he meant arrancar or regular vastoorode?

[Qc0Jh1axT]

who's the guy sitting on the tree trunk when ikkaku was beaten by kenpachi in the flashback??

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Yumichika, before he attempted a sex change.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

Yumichika, before he attempted a sex change.


...... -___- ''


anyway i thought it might be yumichika but he just looked different without the peacock eyebrows and he wasn't so 'pretty' then

[symphonyX]

hmm i remember when ichigo and renji fought the 2nd time, ichigo was surprised that renji is stronger than the last time and he said that's because their reiatsu is limited while on earth or something like that, maybe that's a big factor why captain kid (hitsugaya) and the rest are struggling.

[Hits]

hmm i remember when ichigo and renji fought the 2nd time, ichigo was surprised that renji is stronger than the last time and he said that's because their reiatsu is limited while on earth or something like that, maybe that's a big factor why captain kid (hitsugaya) and the rest are struggling.
That's what I'm thinking too. Maybe that's why everyone is using their bankais so early since their power are limited down at earth. The situation with Renji, Ikkaku, Rukia, Ichigo, Hitsugaya etc might be completely different if they were at soul society. I hope Hitsugaya and Renji don't get beaten. But noone really knows what was going on between those two yet, only the fact that they released their bankais. Just because their bankais are released and a little bit roughened, doesn't mean they are losing.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

no way they won't lose. they'll win and then grimjaw will be the only survivor and he'll have to retreat back to aizen's lair and get his ass whacked for taking things his own way.

[Unrefined-Nemesis]

I Believe That Ichigo Will Kill Grimjaww

[jonat3]

I doubt that any of the arrancars we've seen are vastoorodes hybrids. Even a captain has very slim chances against a normal vastoorodes. Practically impossible for them to challenge a hybrid vastoorodes.

[Hits]

Can anyone tell me the types of Vastoorodes? I'm very confused. :S

I Believe That Ichigo Will Kill Grimjaww
I think Ichigo will have some trouble dealing with Grimjaw and but then his father Isshin appears and together, they kill him or weaken him enough to retreat. Oh and why does you make the first letter of every word capitalized? It's so weird and a lil annoying, lol.

[jonat3]

Can anyone tell me the types of Vastoorodes? I'm very confused. :S


The menos can be divided in three categories:

1. Gillian, an alternative name for the Menos Grande
2. Ajucas, here the trouble for captain level people begin
3. Vastoorodes, stronger than any captain

The menos types are all unhybridized. Turning them all into hybrids would make them even more powerful.

[Hits]

The menos can be divided in three categories:

1. Gillian, an alternative name for the Menos Grande
2. Ajucas, here the trouble for captain level people begin
3. Vastoorodes, stronger than any captain

The menos types are all unhybridized. Turning them all into hybrids would make them even more powerful.
I should re-read some of the chapters again, i seem to forgot everything. So are arranacrs ajucas or something? The ones Ichigo and company are fight now, what are they? Ajucas(arrancars?) or vastoorodes(another type of arrancar?). I'm totally confused here. So many terms.

[jonat3]

I should re-read some of the chapters again, i seem to forgot everything. So are arranacrs ajucas or something? The ones Ichigo and company are fight now, what are they? Ajucas(arrancars?) or vastoorodes(another type of arrancar?). I'm totally confused here. So many terms.

Gillians are the largest menos, that's why they are called menos GRANDE. Ajucas are slightly smaller in size, more intelligent with better battle skills. Vastoorodes are human size, but i'm not even sure if they have human faces.

Hybridizing hollows turns them more into humans. Even GF turned slightly more human. I believe the hollow that attacked Ishida was a hybrid gillian and it was smaller in size. Perhaps hybridizing an ajucas could make them human size, but not sure yet.

In any event, i believe all the arrancars we have seen are all normal hollows turned into hybrids. That's because i believe that the text implied that arrancars and menos are seperate groups entirely. Even if hybrid menos can be called arrancar, only Urquiorra and Grimmjow have demonstrated to have enough power to be one.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

does anyone remember the part where hitsugaya was explaining about vastrodes and ajucas and gilians? he said that if, including aizen there are more than 10 vastrodes, SS is doomed. then the next strip shows ulquoirra and yami returning to aizen and aizen said "welcome home, please report your findings to your twenty brothers"
are those twenty all vastrodes or something????

i just find it strange that STRAIGHT after hitsugaya says that, aizen says there are twenty of 'em.

[jonat3]

does anyone remember the part where hitsugaya was explaining about vastrodes and ajucas and gilians? he said that if, including aizen there are more than 10 vastrodes, SS is doomed. then the next strip shows ulquoirra and yami returning to aizen and aizen said "welcome home, please report your findings to your twenty brothers"
are those twenty all vastrodes or something????

i just find it strange that STRAIGHT after hitsugaya says that, aizen says there are twenty of 'em.

Not certain what Kubo intended there, but i never thought that all 20 of them were vastoorodes. And Deroy proved that, because he was pathetically weak. 20 is still an impressive number though and definately doesn't bode well for SS, even if none of them are vastoorodes.

[Master O]

I noticed there's another error with the title: "Mala Suerte" literally means "Bad Luck," not LUCKY.

[ocasas]

I noticed there's another error with the title: "Mala Suerte" literally means "Bad Luck," not LUCKY.


It's not any error on the title, there have been five chapter with the series name "Mala Suerte!"

- Mala Suerte!
- Mala Suerte! 2 (El Monstruo)
- Mala Suerte! 3 (Monstruo Sangrienta)
- Mala Suerte! 4 (Monstruo Monstruoso)
- Mala Suerte! 5 (LUCKY)

The last one it's just a contradiction not an error

[shadow25]

does anyone remember the part where hitsugaya was explaining about vastrodes and ajucas and gilians? he said that if, including aizen there are more than 10 vastrodes, SS is doomed. then the next strip shows ulquoirra and yami returning to aizen and aizen said "welcome home, please report your findings to your twenty brothers"
are those twenty all vastrodes or something????

i just find it strange that STRAIGHT after hitsugaya says that, aizen says there are twenty of 'em.

I believe the point of that was an "oh shit" moment, which a lot of shows and manga do. They set a limit to what the good guys can take, and then proceed to completely shatter that. And i think all 20 of those are highest level arrancars. Which is to say that at the moment, unless SOMEBODY (cue godlike characters Ichigo/Urahara/Yoruichi) does something, SS is currently doomed, because there is enough to completely annihilate them. The only one's who can hold their footing are the Captain level, who seem to be on equal footing, or Vice-captain level, where 2 on 1 might do it.

Something has to happen tho, because now, the soul society shinigami are the weakest side. The vizards and the arrancars are both hybrid which means their limits are higher. The whole thing will have to be based around ichigo, since he is the only hybrid on the SS side.

Ah, another question. A while back, someone mentioned how the shinigami have their powers limited when they go into the real world. I don't think that's true. Severely limited, I think, means no zanpakutou release for captains, and only shikai for VC. I'm taking this from way back in the first meeting of ichigo with the boys from 6th Squad, so it's just a sort of assumption on my part.

The Central 46 is dead, the situation is desperate, would they REALLY limit their best fighters going out to all-out-war? And along this line, could anyone explain to me, in Chapter 204 M7 translation, yumichika is giving a report over one of the SS communicators. He requests that there be an increase in spatial stasis around the various combatants. I don't believe this is related to their power levels, because I believe those are already completely unleashed, but I don't know what it could be, can't seem to think of anything.

[Jerkface]

In the translation I have Renji says the individual shinigami suppress their spirit power, not that any sort of device or something limits them.

I am pretty sure the spatial thing is to keep the city from being blowed up by all the spirit force going nutso. I mean, look at what Kenpachi vs Ichigo did. They took down like 50 shinigami apartment complexes.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

i was re-reading the last few chapters and in it there's this yumichika requesting for stasis radius increase and also he requested for ikkaku's funeral preparations. i was like..... what the heck?! it was only the beginning of the fight and he was requesting for a funeral preparations!? then when ikkaku won, yumichika said "i knew it i know u're alive" i mean.... what exactly is kubo doing spinning off stuffs like that

[Anil]

LOL....

He's building the suspense... It's a common thing that author's do in order to keep reader's hooked....

But seriously, I sure as hell didn't believe Ikkaku was coming out of that fight alive... and if he hadn't used the Bankai he would have died...

I'm more interested in the fact that the others seem to be doing even worse than Ikakku... That isn't good... especially since even with Bankai he nearly died...

[Qc0Jh1axT]

we don't really know for sure if the others are doing far worse. it only seems that way because they look all bloody and they've released their bankais already. but people get bloodied all the time. ichigo gets bloodied everytime, yet he wins everytime. ikkaku got bloody all over too. i think people feels ikkaku will lose because he lost to ichigo before. but seriously, i had hoped that he would win from the beginning of the fight with edorad.


edit. and can i just say something... with the turn of events now, it seems that ikkaku is stronger than renji.. and that renji refers to ikkaku as a 'senior' or someone who owns his respect. and also it seems that ikkaku has bankai longer than renji.

but remember in the earlier story when ichigo infiltrated into SS? he fought with ikkaku before he went to fight with renji, and kubo gave the impression that renji was stronger than ikkaku because renji was a VC and ikkaku was 3rd seat... and also ichigo had a tougher time handling renji than ikkaku.

........so.

what i want to say is, actually i don't know. kubo does whatever he likes anyway.

[ultimate]

maybe ichigo had a tougher time fighting renji cos renji was probably more motivated to fight at that time cos of rukia about to be executed whereas ikkaku fought cos he wanted to fight, though i could be wrong...

[Master O]

It's not any error on the title, there have been five chapter with the series name "Mala Suerte!"

- Mala Suerte!
- Mala Suerte! 2 (El Monstruo)
- Mala Suerte! 3 (Monstruo Sangrienta)
- Mala Suerte! 4 (Monstruo Monstruoso)
- Mala Suerte! 5 (LUCKY)

The last one it's just a contradiction not an error

You are right. When I posted that, I wasn't quite thinking clearly.

[_Ink]

what is known now is the following i think:
Ikkaku TAUGHT renji how to fight (a senior it seems)
2 people know he has a bankai (Renji, Ikkaku and himself)
He is most apparently stronger than Kenpachi in terms of sword skills (he knows bankai) but of course, not the overall toughness.
among him and Yumichika, it appears they were together all along before they ever were shinigamis
and to add, he fervor and loyalty to Kenpachi is just plain amazing...wow.
I must say, i am going to make him second most fleshed out character after Kenpachi!
Kubo Tite is the man!

[Anil]

LOL...

interesting response there devildude....

Ileenka is right... we don't actually know that the others are doing worse than Ikkaku... I only said that it seems that way for two reason's...

1. They have gone Bankai whereas their respective opponents are yet to release their soul-slayers....

2. Maybe not so much Renji... but Hitsugaya looks exhausted.... never a good sign in a fight...

Now this could mean little to nothing, seeing as Ikkaku and the rest of the 11th like to drag out their fights and wouldn't fight the most efficient way possible...

However... if Hitsugaya is fighting as efficiently as possible AND he looks tired... no...that can't be good...

But hell I was so sure Ikkaku would die.... I could be wrong...

[thepolia]

edit. and can i just say something... with the turn of events now, it seems that ikkaku is stronger than renji.. and that renji refers to ikkaku as a 'senior' or someone who owns his respect. and also it seems that ikkaku has bankai longer than renji.

but remember in the earlier story when ichigo infiltrated into SS? he fought with ikkaku before he went to fight with renji, and kubo gave the impression that renji was stronger than ikkaku because renji was a VC and ikkaku was 3rd seat... and also ichigo had a tougher time handling renji than ikkaku.

........so.

what i want to say is, actually i don't know. kubo does whatever he likes anyway.

Yea I'm confused there as well. It seems that Ikkaku has achieved bankai before Renji... then why didn't he use it when he fought against Ichigo?

And somehow I have a feeling that Ikkaku may still die. He's dying now... as a 11th division member and his pal I think Yumichika would still say 'gd to see you're so alive' even if he knows that Ikkaku is dying. The flashback looks like something a mangaka would do before a character dies... But bleach hasn't really killed off any character yet (geez, I mean, even when Genji was pierced by Byakuya's zanpakutoh he didn't even get paralysed...) So I ain't sure.

Does Yumichika have Bankai as well? Ikaku said he had taught him...

Random thought: Where is Matsumoto? If Hitsugaya looks so exhausted even with his bankai, what would happen to Matsumoto, who's probably the only one without a bankai in the group?

[Qc0Jh1axT]

Umm.. I'm really confused here, did Ikkaku say he taught Renji and Yumichika bankai? My copy of the chapters said Ikkaku TOLD Renji and Yumichika that he has bankai. Though he did say he taught Renji how to fight - but he didn't say he taught him bankai, you know.

[Aarick]

renji taught himself bankai in the underground cavern with ichigo. and ikkaku did have bankai when he fought ichigo but didnt use it becuase he didnt want anyone else in SS to know and mostly he didnt want Kenpachi to find out. since he has 'mastered' it, i say mastered becuase he has the dye thing and he says 'he took care of it'.

i cant see ikkaku getting killed off yet. he just survived this fight, just like he just survived against kenpachi, he will become stronger after this fight. but i was wondering since yumichika can drain energy to heal himself maybe he can use some of his energy to heal ikkaku.

[Jedi28]

Yea I'm confused there as well. It seems that Ikkaku has achieved bankai before Renji... then why didn't he use it when he fought against Ichigo?

And somehow I have a feeling that Ikkaku may still die. He's dying now... as a 11th division member and his pal I think Yumichika would still say 'gd to see you're so alive' even if he knows that Ikkaku is dying. The flashback looks like something a mangaka would do before a character dies... But bleach hasn't really killed off any character yet (geez, I mean, even when Genji was pierced by Byakuya's zanpakutoh he didn't even get paralysed...) So I ain't sure.

Does Yumichika have Bankai as well? Ikaku said he had taught him...

Random thought: Where is Matsumoto? If Hitsugaya looks so exhausted even with his bankai, what would happen to Matsumoto, who's probably the only one without a bankai in the group?

Wasn't Ikkaku already breaking the rules by releasing his shikai at that time? Wartime orders hadn't been issued yet. Probably releasing his Bankai would have been a little noticeable. Also, he might have thought it embarrassing to have to admit he'd had to use Bankai against a Ryoka.

Maybe Matsumoto will wind up with Bankai as well. Everyone can start whiping out Bankai's.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

yumichika drains energy to heal himself?? i thought he just drains energy from his opponent, that's it.

if every matsumoto has bankai i'm really aghast now.

[Xan_Aloufin]

what a great chapter... i really like the deveplopment with Ikkaku and the flashback explained something.

[AquaNautica]

Ikkaku should have been killed.. o.O
All these people and Bankai... Seems the SS soon will be a big Bankai-ruled world, eh..

[Xan_Aloufin]

Ikkaku should have been killed.. o.O
All these people and Bankai... Seems the SS soon will be a big Bankai-ruled world, eh..
Ikkaku and Renji are the only non captains in SS now with Ban Kai

[Sir_unforgiven]

yea i don't know why everyone is flipping their arms in the air about vc getting bankai

[ocasas]

Becuase Byakuya made all this fuss about Ichigo having Bankai and that only really few people of every generation could achieve it. And know a character that was utterly defeated by ichigo only with shikai appears with Bankai.

[Jedi28]

I'm starting to think Byakuya has been in denial about certain things.

[kt2005]

Actually, Byakukya is so fond of his noble price, he always talk like noble families are good, normal family is rats and weak blah blah blah VCs and officers are low... He always get very suprise when seeing someone become strong (like Renji, Ichigo). Sothat Bankai is more often than "one in several generations".

[Qc0Jh1axT]

hey look, this was in the much earlier chapters... renji just lost to byakuya and there's a flashback. look he was telling about ikkaku and yumichika about his goal..

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c253/ileenka/09821c03.jpg



kubo put that bit in much earlier on and he's finally telling it in chapter 206 where ikkaku said "if your wish is to surpass kuchiki then my goal is to blabalbal"


anyway this is just an "oh wow! look!" post from me

[Sir_unforgiven]

Becuase Byakuya made all this fuss about Ichigo having Bankai and that only really few people of every generation could achieve it. And know a character that was utterly defeated by ichigo only with shikai appears with Bankai.
well all the vc and captains are like hundreds of years old and a generation is what 10-12yrs? those capable of achieving bankai would most likely be stronger than the others and achieve the higher ranks such as captain, vc,or a seated officer, so vc having bankai makes sense, even though renji said ikkaku was the only vc at the moment who had bankai, but it's possible some others will get it, anyway this leads me to believe that renji has probably become a captain, unless he's staying in his squad until he's strong enough to beat byakuya and take the place of captain from him.

[DocInsanity]

well all the vc and captains are like hundreds of years old and a generation is what 10-12yrs? those capable of achieving bankai would most likely be stronger that the other and achieve the higher ranks such as captain, vc,or a seated officer, so vc having bankai makes sense, even though renji said ikkaku was the only vc at the moment who had bankai, but it's possible some others will get it, anyway this leads me to believe that renji has probably become a captain, unless he's staying in his squad until he's strong enough to beat byakuya and take the place of captain from him.

Doubt he would do that. I think Renji's a captain of a different squad. He's cool enough to be one too :p. And Ikkaku should have died :( . Everyone seems to be surviving and whipping out Ban Kai's.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

i have no complaints whatsoever, i like how things are turning out now. look, if ikkaku died, what would yumichika have done? he was watching the fight. you think he would take on edorad? he will definitely put up a fight, he won't let edorad go just like that. but can yumichika win if ikkaku died? impossible for him to win, because he's not as skillful in fights compared to ikkaku, if ikkaku died, he'd have to die too. two people just died like that?? it's not a story i would like.

[Undying]

Hmmm... The one thing I still find weird is that Edorad seems yet to have been killed (we didn't see a corpse, just hin falling from the skies) and he may come back. Anyone noticed that we haven't seen Ichigo? I wonder how will he fight, considering the Hollow that will definetly break out?

[jwhizz]

Wasn't Ikkaku already breaking the rules by releasing his shikai at that time? Wartime orders hadn't been issued yet. Probably releasing his Bankai would have been a little noticeable. Also, he might have thought it embarrassing to have to admit he'd had to use Bankai against a Ryoka.

Maybe Matsumoto will wind up with Bankai as well. Everyone can start whiping out Bankai's.

In Chapter 87 Ikkakku asks who Ichigo's master was. Ichigo says it was Urahara, and then Ikkakku says "Then it would be dishonorable if i were to kill you the easy way." Then he releases his shikai. So he didnt release his bankai out of respect for urahara..


*just got back from borders books, and randomly opened volume 10 to that page >_>*

[Polygon]

Hmmm... The one thing I still find weird is that Edorad seems yet to have been killed (we didn't see a corpse, just hin falling from the skies) and he may come back. Anyone noticed that we haven't seen Ichigo? I wonder how will he fight, considering the Hollow that will definetly break out?

Perhaps he was purfied? and his many sould would go to SS? ( he's made up of more than one soul)

[kt2005]

In Chapter 87 Ikkakku asks who Ichigo's master was. Ichigo says it was Urahara, and then Ikkakku says "Then it would be dishonorable if i were to kill you the easy way." Then he releases his shikai. So he didnt release his bankai out of respect for urahara..


Thanks for reminding that sentence. Now it's fully make sense.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

We know that hollows who weren't inherently evil people go to SS when they're purified. So would this hold true if an ajuca or vastoorode was sealed as well? I don't think they have multiple souls. As far as I'm concerned, that description only applies to the gillian. I'm pretty sure they would have high spirit power. Do you think they would join the shinigami and if they would do you think Yama-jii would allow it?

[Polygon]

We know that hollows who weren't inherently evil people go to SS when they're purified. So would this hold true if an ajuca or vastoorode was sealed as well? I don't think they have multiple souls. As far as I'm concerned, that description only applies to the gillian. I'm pretty sure they would have high spirit power. Do you think they would join the shinigami and if they would do you think Yama-jii would allow it?

All the menos are made up of multiple souls combined into one. But whether the souls seperate after death or not is yet to be seen. And there is no reason wny anyone in SS can't be a shinigami. they just need power.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Are you sure? All the translations I've seen specifically mentioned "menos grande" in that description. It could've only been referring to the gillian, which makes sense. All those compressed souls explain the stupidity that type exhibits.

[Undying]

But Hutsugaya also mentions that the "Ajuucar" and the "Vastorde" are simply types of Menos Grande with more power (since they have the powers of a Shinigami) so they might also be many souls compressed. The Gillians` (or Menos Grande) stupidy might be because they are huge, so all the Reireku have been made into size and brute strengh, not brains - while the other types ("Ajuucar"/"Vastorde") have higher power because they have higher intelect.

[mottesheard]

i have no complaints whatsoever, i like how things are turning out now. look, if ikkaku died, what would yumichika have done? he was watching the fight. you think he would take on edorad? he will definitely put up a fight, he won't let edorad go just like that. but can yumichika win if ikkaku died? impossible for him to win, because he's not as skillful in fights compared to ikkaku, if ikkaku died, he'd have to die too. two people just died like that?? it's not a story i would like.

I agree. Also, remember Ikkaku making that agreement with Kiego? Where Kiego agrees to let Ikkaku live in his house in exchange for protection? Ikkaku can't go back on his word to protect Kiego, now can he? :)

[AznPoi]

I wonder if Ikkaku will reconsider being a captain. If he was a captain he could compete with Kenpachi more. And is Renji a new captain?

[Undying]

I wonder if Ikkaku will reconsider being a captain. If he was a captain he could compete with Kenpachi more. And is Renji a new captain?
AznPoi, looks like you and me are destined to meet all the time - wherever you post, I appear, unintetionally (really! I didn't mean to) and post something to contradict you... now that's what I call "bitter rivals" :p
So, no, Renji is yet to become captain, as he is yet unable to fully control his BanKai (or he'd beat Ilforte, even though I bet he'd end up like Ikkaku) so he can't become a captain, yet.
And about Ikkaku, it's less about competition, it's more about admiration and respect, so I strongly doubt he'd reconsider captain rank (...and here I wanted to hear someone say "Madarame-Taicho-san"...) since he wants to be under Kenpachi's command (although I think it's weird that he doesn't want to confront Kenpachi as a captain, cause it should be like:"hey, taichou, now we're on equal rank, we can fight anytime!" *pawn, bang bang, Ikkaku on the floor, Kenpachi laughs:"not yet!"*).