The "Zero Division" [Archive]

Reyin

05-07-2008, 01:15 AM

When I first heard Old Man Yama say those words, I was like " OMG Kubo has run out of ideas and now he's adding useless things." But when I think about it today, it makes much more sense. Maybe the "Zero Division" is a division for the STRONGEST shinigami or the Kings Of Soul Society, but that's just me. So what do you guys think about it?

Well the fact that Zero Division is recruiting captains--senior captains at that--is evidence enough of their likely strength. As for being the strongest shinigami, then why wasnt Ukitake or Shunsui chosen, since Yama-Jii said they were stronger than any others. It is still a very intriguing new topic and I suspect they're going to play a major role here in the near future.

Jooliyan

05-07-2008, 01:48 AM

well what would be the point of keeping all the strongest together... so like Zero Division is the strongest.. who does nothin but protect the king.. while the Shinigami are in constant... well not constant combat but enough combat to demand quality or strongest captains

deathangel20

05-07-2008, 02:50 AM

The people who guard the King are the Royal Guard and the Zero Division maybe where the Guards are chosen from.

But another point of interest is why the Zero Division isn't around anymore? Maybe KT will tell us that from the flashback.

Zanga

05-07-2008, 02:56 AM

I'm sure the promoting captain(Hikifune for example) probably has a choice whether they want to move on or not.

And the zero division probably moved on the alternate dimension and became the royal knights for all we know.

bballstar23

05-07-2008, 03:48 AM

They could still very well be around, but they probably don't reside within the Sereitei. Remember, when Hikifune was promoted, Hiyori was perplexed by her disappearance, so it's probably in the same realm that the king resides in, and is probably not well known among the shinigami. I bet it's something only the captains know about. I don't know if I'm confused, but aren't the Royal Guard and the Zero Division the same thing? Also, I think there are probably factors that go into deciding who becomes a part of the Royal Guard, and it's also probably possible to deny and offer to join if a senior shinigami captain is presented with one.

Jelle

05-07-2008, 08:59 AM

Yeah the Royal Guard IS Division Zero, Shunsui says that Hikifune has been promoted to Division Zero otherwise known as the Royal Guard.

When I first heard Old Man Yama say those words, I was like " OMG Kubo has run out of ideas and now he's adding useless things." But when I think about it today, it makes much more sense. Maybe the "Zero Division" is a division for the STRONGEST shinigami or the Kings Of Soul Society, but that's just me. So what do you guys think about it?
They may well be the strongest division as a whole, but I don't think they have THE strongest shinigami. Yama, Shunsui, Ukitake and Unohana are probably more than strong enough to join the Royal Guard, but they can't/don't want to for various reasons (Shunsui is lazy, Ukitake is sick, Yama controls the Gotei, etc.).

FrozenTousen

05-07-2008, 09:04 AM

The Zero division is likely also a prestige position. I mean think about it you dont want all the strongest disappearing, so u need more criteria, like performing a great act. Being named to a guard job in the palace of a king is a rather cushy job. Sure you have to be on guard more ;) but you also get shift breaks, nice quarters and likely better armor and such than the everyday enlisted men.

That said u also lose some power, you have to enter a brand new squad as a lower ranking member, after being a squad leader.

These facts mean its likely about being rewarded for service, and being willing to give up large amounts of freedom and autonomy in exchange for being able to guard the King.

Lelouch

05-07-2008, 12:46 PM

We don't know if Zero Division recruits only Captain level Shinigamies.

I've thought about this a little , and I came to the conclusion that the Shinigami being recruited probably has no way to refuse. This is due to Hikifune's sudden 'dissapearance'. She didn't even said goodbye to Hiyori , to whom we know she was a mother-figure. (There's always the possibility that she disappeared so suddenly , because the Division is
top secret e.t.c )

It is also safe to say , that the Royal Guard recruit not those who they deem strong , but those with a certain 'something' we do not yet know. Otherwise , Ukitake , Yama , Unohana and Shunsui would have been recruited as well - ages ago .

Freya

05-07-2008, 04:25 PM

We really don't know anything about the zero squad except for the fact that Hikifune was promoted to there.

I would guess that they would want stronger shinigami to protect the King...but you might be right about them also having to have a certain something.

Also the fact that the senior captains aren't promoted to the zero squad doesn't mean they wouldn't be good for it, it probably is because they need strength back in SS too.

Jooliyan

05-07-2008, 09:27 PM

which is what i have stated.. you cannot leave SS without a select.. elite group

Lelouch

05-08-2008, 01:47 PM

Also the fact that the senior captains aren't promoted to the zero squad doesn't mean they wouldn't be good for it, it probably is because they need strength back in SS too.

It's not like , 4 Captains would get promoted in an instant. They would have been promoted 1 by 1 , giving time to the Gotei to replace them. The Gotei can stil stand , with 1 Captain position empty.The current situation is proof.

Dantes_Legacy

05-19-2008, 11:03 PM

Im glad I came across this thread cause I have a query abaout the zero squad. This might sound ridiculous to some but it has really been bugging me. Ok, the latest manga chapters have a lot to do with Urahara and many speculate that he is a vaizard. They also (IMO) appear to be leading up to the reasons for the creation of the hougokyou, which also has a lot to do with the vaizards and such. So the zero squad have been introduced with the underlining themes of the vaizards throughout. Suspicious I think!

With that, Do the vaizards have a connection with zero squad and (i know this sounds extremely unlikely but) are they a regiment of, or the zero squad itself?

What do you guys think? Am i looking to much into it?

SenpaiRetsu

05-20-2008, 04:11 AM

I think it's a cushy job that is probably boring, i bet Yama, Shunsui, Ukitake, and Unohana could have taken it centuries ago but like being the boss in their squad rather than the little fish in the new division.

Especially Unohana, she'd be the best out of all of them. she can heal (the king) and transport him at the same time with minazuki should a situation get to hectic.

bedframe

05-21-2008, 03:25 AM

Ok, this is might be long, and its also my first post. I have been meaning to post this for awhile, but I was still thinking about it.
Anyway, if you do decide to read this your eyes will bleed, and if you dont, your mind will bleed.

Here is a list of things I am about 100% sure of:
There is a Royal Guard (Zero Division);
There is a throne that the king sits on;
There is at least one key to the place where the king is;
The throne is currently vacant (cant post links so check bleach chapter 178, page 15. bottom middle)

Things I am speculating:
The Royal Guard has been disbanded because no king to guard.
Isshin and his deceased wife where part of the Royal Guard.
Hikifune is Isshin's wife.

Some things I wonder about:
First and foremost, how does Aizen know that the throne is vacant?????????????
Second, if Aizen makes a key, there is already another key that Yama has, right???? And they can come visit him if and when he gets to the throne.
Third, I cant remember, so I will edit this when I can remember.

Character

05-21-2008, 05:03 AM

Things I am speculating:
The Royal Guard has been disbanded because no king to guard.
Isshin and his deceased wife where part of the Royal Guard.
Hikifune is Isshin's wife.

Very interesting. I like this theory. I don't if it will come to fruition just because it is a little to"last piece of the puzzle". But nevertheless, very good idea.

Minami Itsuki

05-21-2008, 05:23 AM

I like that theory as well! Do you guys think Byakuya's grandfather is part of the zero div or is he dead?

sweeter

05-25-2008, 04:37 PM

^I think he's dead and that Byakuya's Senkei SKY has something to do with it. Not that Byakuya killed his own grandpops or anything, more like maybe it was his source of motivation or something.

And maybe the three shadowed figures performing experiments in one of the more recent chapters could be Urahara and new Royal Guard characters.

(:

demorippa

06-04-2008, 06:14 AM

i like the theory that hikifune was ichigo's mother. it would explain why hiyori gets along so well with ichigo. according to love and rose it is like she got a new family member and in her heart she is really happy.

i also think that ichigo's family could be the royal family making ichigo the next in line for the throne and due to all that hougyoku thing 100 yrs b4 they left and planned to raise ichigo and the rest in the human world to his their reiatsu.

i also think ichigo was placed in a gigai from since a kid and it has been eating away at his reiatsu for more than 12yrs and his current reiatsu is the reslut of yrs of being in a gigai and if his reiatsu goes back up to what he should have it will be 20times present thus making him powerful enough to rule as king

Minami Itsuki

06-04-2008, 06:19 AM

I also like that theory as well. It sure makes sense.

Ganshou-dono

06-19-2008, 12:32 AM

Ningen

06-19-2008, 10:40 PM

Royal Guard members might be chosen rather for their mental attributes, like intelligence, wisdom, good judgment, dedication etc.
Power does not have to be the main criteria. They might receive some kind of power augmenting devices or magic when entering the ranks.

Ichigo being of some kind of royal family blood idea given earlier sounds plausible enough. There often is such a hidden background for the main protagonist.

Ganshou-dono

06-19-2008, 11:21 PM

yeah they might be chosen for mental attributes but they also could be chosen for their unique strength...after all it's royal guard and guards aren't meant to make decisions but to protect...to have good judgement is already needed for being captain. fool can't be a leader of division. captains generally have excellent knowledge of battle tactics and stuff (not just power but intelligence also) like this creates an extremely large gap in power between captains and the rest shinigami in squad.

Ningen

06-20-2008, 07:33 PM

Sure they do, but still, some are way better than others in that regard. I mean, would Zaraki be a good material for the Royal Guard? Don't think so. :) Then Byakuya with his 'you simply can't be any good and you don't pose any danger, scum. I'll go easy on you now just to show you the difference between me and you' doesn't sound like the best candidate either. Mayuri? 'Screw the king, let me get my hands on this interesting new enemy, so make sure to capture him alive'.

Ganshou-dono

06-20-2008, 09:57 PM

Gnave

06-21-2008, 01:21 AM

Here is a list of things I am about 100% sure of:
The throne is currently vacant (cant post links so check bleach chapter 178, page 15. bottom middle)

You are all speculating about stuff assuming what is said above is true, but it isn't. The only thing Aizen says is that

"No one starts on the top of the world. Not you. Not me. Not even gods. The unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on I will be sitting on it."

This tells me that is is going to be the strongest. Nowhere does he say the throne of the king of the ss is empty. :l

Trouse

06-21-2008, 01:40 AM

Well, he does say "The unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over.", which infers that the throne is empty. But what Aizen said indeed shouldn't be taken literally: there is a king, otherwise Aizen wouldn't go through all that trouble of making a key to go the other dimension.

Juthrum

06-21-2008, 08:28 AM

yeah but I didn't say they are good candidates now did I? kenpachi is good but he is still no match for vasto lord...what I'm saying is that power of royal guard is something that is on equal footing with vasto lords. in other words royal guard is shinigami who reached limit in every way...vasto lord is the strongest hollow...royal guard is strongest shinigami...I'm talking about pure power not about that royal guard one is better than second and so on...

I think Kenpachi might be able to fight with a vasto lord. He defeated Nnoitra, who is (most likely) the strongest of the non-vasto lord espada, since it's implied (or even stated, I can't remember) that Ulquiorra is a vasto lord. As we all know arrancars are stronger than normal hollows, then unless the gap between Nnoitra and Ulquiorra is really huge, Nnoitra at least have the power of a non-arrancar vasto lord. Going by this logic, then Kenpachi should be able to fight a standard vasto lord and win.

setasujiro

06-21-2008, 08:47 AM

I think the Zero Division are composed of the former Senior Captains of the Gotei 13. I think Ichigo's father is one of them because his Captain robe is dressed unusually with the other captains. Maybe thats a symbol that you are a member of the Zero Division Royal Guards.

Stalk

06-21-2008, 04:50 PM

we all know aizen is strong and above normal captain...he is probably on equal ground with yama...so I say zero division has only the best shinigami like these two. shinigami whose powers are beyond normal captain just like aizen and yama. although unohana, ukitake and kyoraku are without doubt very strong they're just not strong enough for this. we also know vasto lord is hollow whose power is beyond normal captain and that is what I'm talking about. royal guard is made of shinigami who are equal with guys like vasto lord...it make sense that king would be protected by the best...there are only a few vasto lords as we know and I think there are only few royal guards. only really good guys can make it to the captain-class but even less can make it to the royal guard. well it's just my opinion but that is what I think

Who kill off hollows? SS

Who send souls to SS? SS

Who keep the balance between the souls? SS

Who takes part in war times? SS

The King is useless. What's the point in taking the strongest fighters ever to protect someone who does nothing and hasn't been in harm for ages (that we know of)? All we know is that the Royal Guard is a squad formed by captain-level fighters, there's really nothing suggesting everyone there is a 'Yamamoto'. Likely, the RG has it's own tiers just like the Gotei 13 w/ people barely at captain-level and maybe some at Yama's level or higher.

Ah, and there's no way Shunsui&Ukitake 'couldn't make it to the RG'. They're the strongest shinigamis who lived during Yamamoto's lifetime (5000 years? lol) besides Yama himself and probably Aizen. Just for the record.

Ganshou-dono

06-21-2008, 08:29 PM

Who kill off hollows? SS

Who send souls to SS? SS

Who keep the balance between the souls? SS

Who takes part in war times? SS

The King is useless. What's the point in taking the strongest fighters ever to protect someone who does nothing and hasn't been in harm for ages (that we know of)? All we know is that the Royal Guard is a squad formed by captain-level fighters, there's really nothing suggesting everyone there is a 'Yamamoto'. Likely, the RG has it's own tiers just like the Gotei 13 w/ people barely at captain-level and maybe some at Yama's level or higher.

Ah, and there's no way Shunsui&Ukitake 'couldn't make it to the RG'. They're the strongest shinigamis who lived during Yamamoto's lifetime (5000 years? lol) besides Yama himself and probably Aizen. Just for the record.
obviously you didn't get what I said at all

I think the Zero Division are composed of the former Senior Captains of the Gotei 13. I think Ichigo's father is one of them because his Captain robe is dressed unusually with the other captains. Maybe thats a symbol that you are a member of the Zero Division Royal Guards.

hmm well that is interesting thought :biggthump

I think Kenpachi might be able to fight with a vasto lord. He defeated Nnoitra, who is (most likely) the strongest of the non-vasto lord espada, since it's implied (or even stated, I can't remember) that Ulquiorra is a vasto lord. As we all know arrancars are stronger than normal hollows, then unless the gap between Nnoitra and Ulquiorra is really huge, Nnoitra at least have the power of a non-arrancar vasto lord. Going by this logic, then Kenpachi should be able to fight a standard vasto lord and win.

well that is true...we'll found out how ulquiorra is strong soon enough...maybe next week...well when I think about it kenpachi did finish nnoitra with two attacks...he held back the whole time and in the end he went all out (probably) with kendo and totally kicked nnoitras ass...so yeah you might be right

Rainl

06-21-2008, 09:36 PM

well that is true...we'll found out how ulquiorra is strong soon enough...maybe next week...well when I think about it kenpachi did finish nnoitra with two attacks...he held back the whole time and in the end he went all out (probably) with kendo and totally kicked nnoitras ass...so yeah you might be right

Still can't use that as a basis. You also have to consider the incredible power gap that was displayed between Noitora and Ulquiorra. There isn't a doubt in my mind that if Ichigo had been in prime shape, he would've beaten Nnoitora as well.

The only reason Kenpachi was able to beat Noitora, was simply because they were exactly the same. They both were pure brutes, purely fixed on power only and who could out slash the other. Nnoitora displayed nothing else, but that. Which totally favors Zaraki's fighting style.

Kenpachi may have kendo, but that is completely useless when fighting a more dismensional fighter, all Nnoitora did was sit there and swing. He was a glutten for punishment. If we going off of whats displayed by Ulquiorra and Stark, who may be VLs.

As of everything that Kenpachi has displayed till now That kendo is going to be useless, and since thats all that Kenpachi is good for,(slashing only), how's he possible going to deal with a much faster opponent who also displays even more power then Noitora? He might be able to take a couple of hits, but as it drags on he's bound to die in the end. They wouldn't need to release.

Ganshou-dono

06-21-2008, 10:43 PM

Still can't use that as a basis. You also have to consider the incredible power gap that was displayed between Noitora and Ulquiorra. There isn't a doubt in my mind that if Ichigo had been in prime shape, he would've beaten Nnoitora as well.

The only reason Kenpachi was able to beat Noitora, was simply because they were exactly the same. They both were pure brutes, purely fixed on power only and who could out slash the other. Nnoitora displayed nothing else, but that. Which totally favors Zaraki's fighting style.

Kenpachi may have kendo, but that is completely useless when fighting a more dismensional fighter, all Nnoitora did was sit there and swing. He was a glutten for punishment. If we going off of whats displayed by Ulquiorra and Stark, who may be VLs.

As of everything that Kenpachi has displayed till now That kendo is going to be useless, and since thats all that Kenpachi is good for,(slashing only), how's he possible going to deal with a much faster opponent who also displays even more power then Noitora? He might be able to take a couple of hits, but as it drags on he's bound to die in the end. They wouldn't need to release.
kenpachi is "demon" in battle he would find way to fight just like always...but I'm not saying he would win...I still think he would lose but I accept posibility that he might win

Saner

06-21-2008, 11:05 PM

Zero Division is definitely the strongest Division there is. thats why they are chosen to
protect the king.

Rainl

06-21-2008, 11:35 PM

Still have no factual evidence of that. Being part of the Royal Guard may be an option of whether or not you "choose" to take the position. There may be some captains in SS who are quite able to take the position but chose not too instead.

same goes for you...everybody can think what they want about zero division cuz we don't know anything...to be more precise only thing we know is that it's rank above captain and that is all

Exactly. So we can't necessarily say it is the strongest. Everything is purely speculation at this point.

Wanna enlighten me on who precisely said someone was wrong or right? I said we can't know for sure until evidence is provided, and we can't. I never said he was wrong or right. We can only say what we think at the moment, and what is that? That is speculation bro.

Ganshou-dono

06-21-2008, 11:52 PM

Still have no factual evidence of that. Being part of the Royal Guard may be an option of whether or not you "choose" to take the position. There may be some captains in SS who are quite able to take the position but chose not too instead.

same goes for you...everybody can think what they want about zero division cuz we don't know anything...to be more precise only thing we know is that it's rank above captain and that is all

Exactly. So we can't necessarily say it is the strongest. Everything is purely speculation at this point.

we can and that is why this topic is here...but we can't say that someone is wrong or right

Wanna enlighten me on who precisely said someone was wrong or right? I said we can't know for sure until evidence is provided, and we can't. I never said he was wrong or right. We can only say what we think at the moment, and what is that? That is speculation bro.

sorry I know...it's my mistake for not expresing myself clearly...I meant everybody should just say what they think once.not keep saying over and over what they think each time someone post their opinion that's all

Stalk

06-22-2008, 02:30 PM

obviously you didn't get what I said at all

Hm... yeah I get what you said. You said the Royal Guard is filled with 'Aizens' and 'Yamamotos'. Too bad there's nothing to back up this theory...

KholdStare

07-02-2008, 01:15 AM

Rainl

07-02-2008, 01:19 AM

I highly doubt that Zero Division is filled with captains at Yamamoto's level. If that was the case, two of them could have came to aid Soul Society in this battle and they would have killed off everybody except maybe Aizen. Now I know Aizen is strong but I don't think he could take on Yamamoto and two other captains at Yamamoto's level at the same time.

Agreed. We still have not the right amount of evidence to suggest he can beat Yamamoto at all, as of now. No need to bother if there are more opponents whose at that level.

demorippa

07-02-2008, 06:29 AM

if there are really other ways to strengthen souls other than hollowfication, then i have a feeling that zero division is a group of shinigami who some way or the other had their souls strengthen (either by having been born with extra high reiatsu and potential or just by luck or hard training)
which brings me to think that hikifune somehow got her soul strengthen and had to get promoted.

WhiteKiss

07-06-2008, 06:05 AM

A half-arsed theory, but perhaps the Zero Division was annihilated together with the king in the past. Measures were not made to re-establish it again as the king was hardly seen and they deem that Central 46 was sufficient. And perhaps, Aizen's goal is to rebuilt it, or something similar.

Lelouch

07-06-2008, 11:19 PM

If the Royal Guard were Yamamoto-types , they would had rushed to help Soul Society in the upcoming battles.

We can conclude that they are not as strong as him or that they stay away from the affairs of Soul Society - as far as we know , Soul Society has no means to contact them. They only 'promote' a Captain from time to time.

The Royal Guard might as well - being in another dimension - not be aware of the current situation.