View Full Version : Code Geass R2: Episode 6 - Surprise Attack in the Pacific Ocean
Kenta
05-11-2008, 10:51 AM
Raw should be out soon. Not sure about the good quality raws as people are getting arrested in Japan for sharing these files.
Looks like Guren is getting an upgrade. About time.
Stormslayer
05-11-2008, 02:47 PM
Damn Rollo for ruining everything. (Lelouch got lucky again) I officially join the ranks of Rollo haters now. LOL
The secret relationship between the emperor and V.V. OMG!!! Never see that coming......
Suzaku rocks as usual in a knightmare. No wonder Nunnally loves him, how sad lulu must be feeling right now.
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05-11-2008, 09:45 PM
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DragonBlade
05-11-2008, 11:48 PM
Nice upgrade for Kallen, and VV as his brother is pretty strange
Katen Kyoukotsu
05-11-2008, 11:51 PM
Is it just me or did Kallen just own 3 Knights of the Round singlehandedly. The Guren is officially a beast. However I was a little miffed that one of the holy sword died for no reason at all. Todo and company seriously need some upgrades if they are ever to be effectual again.
Neko Rae
05-12-2008, 12:13 AM
Nunnally x Lulu forever! \o/
Anyway, it was a pretty good episode. I still wish Suzaku would just die and that Nunally wouldn't be another Euphie.
Blair
05-12-2008, 12:20 AM
Great episode. The new Guren is hot. Loved how it owned all those Knights.
I hate Suzaku even more now. I hated how he was acting like Nunnally's hero and took away the only thing Lulu cared about. =/
"She stepped on me" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I love Mordred's pilot.
Though Kallen getting her upgrades was carried out in a rather lame way I thought at the time.
Is it just me or did Nunally figure out who Zero was at the very end.
Hot Guren is hot. Seriously. I enjoyed the action in this episode, and I'm not a big mecha fan. Betcha Rollo is having second thoughts about helping Lelouch now.
Nunally's naiveness and friendship with Suzaku is annoying. >_<
More problems for Lulu.
Stormslayer
05-12-2008, 07:21 AM
Yeah, Nunnally is naive. She should see for herself the kind of person that her brother truly is and proceed to side with Suzaku to stop his plan for destroying the royal family. The main reason why Suzaku never told her that lulu = zero, is probably because she can't handle the truth.
Lind Ni Britannia
05-12-2008, 08:24 AM
Nunnally is the new Euphemia. They basically throw it at you in the face >_> But if she dies too...sigh. I like her. :/
Is it just me or did Kallen just own 3 Knights of the Round singlehandedly. The Guren is officially a beast. However I was a little miffed that one of the holy sword died for no reason at all. Todo and company seriously need some upgrades if they are ever to be effectual again.
don't worry, i'd think with Lakshata's appearance, the Zangetsu and Akatsuki units are coming very soon. :P
i love the Guren here. Mobile Suit Gundam Core Block System reference ftw!
SoundWave
05-12-2008, 08:41 AM
Mordered reminds me of Gundam Virtue/Nadleeh.
"She stepped on me" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"dirty feet" xD
Nunally's naiveness and friendship with Suzaku is annoying. >_<
Agreeed
However I'm glad the Guren kicked ass.
Kenta
05-12-2008, 10:29 AM
Now they just need to bring back Gawain, wherever it is. I miss its awesome beam shots.
If Nunally dies, Lelouch will break. She's his pillar of strength. He missed this chance, now it would be even harder to rescue her. I think Suzaku will become her personal guard just like he was with Euphie.
dogmatix
05-12-2008, 10:56 AM
Is it just me or did Nunally figure out who Zero was at the very end.
Ya it looks to me as though she did.
We got through an entire episode without ridiculously obvious fanservice! yay!
Great ep, looks like lelouch's will to create carnage is slowly losing justification, even to him. His two part remit of getting revenge for his mother and creating a new world for Nunally took a serious hit - interested to see where this goes now.
Stormslayer
05-12-2008, 11:02 AM
Yeah, serve lulu right. Haha, Code geass is getting better and better with each new episode. It thrills me to see lulu finally realizing that he is all alone in quest for vengeance. And that he will lose all his friends and relatives as a result of his persistence.
Anyway, what is with the hatred of Nunnally being together with Suzaku in this thread? Suzaku has always been protecting Nunnally since they are young and their feeling and friendship towards each other is genuine (unlike lulu and Suzaku). Its an inevitable consequence that they are now together.
Ya it looks to me as though she did
Given her nativity, she will sub consciously deny it because she can't bring her into believing that mass killer and murderer of her siblings was actually her brother in disguise.
hehe, Lelouch is not all alone, he's still got some capable people. Personally I don't mind the Nunally and Suzaku friendship, they've been that way for quite some time as mentioned. About Lelouch and Suzaku if their friendship hadn't been real there'd not have been that lamenting about choosing opposite sides when they met in class again.
Whats neat is how they both believe strongly enough in their chosen sides to not be utterly swayed by friendship or something trivial like that, when you are balancing the fate of a country.
Jelouch
05-12-2008, 02:28 PM
I didn't like that episode.
Kallen being a Knight of Rounds level pilot is dump. Secondly , the whole 'mid-air upgrading' in her Knightmare seemed soooo freakingly fake , I can't explain it with words.
Thirdly , Rolo conveniently being right there to save Lelouch. . . . And , not to mention Lelouch hesitated to lie to Nunnaly - he has done so many times already.
Worst episode in R2 so far, imho.
Stormslayer
05-12-2008, 03:14 PM
Kallen being a Knight of Rounds level pilot is dump. Secondly , the whole 'mid-air upgrading' in her Knightmare seemed soooo freakingly fake , I can't explain it with words.
Agree with you in general. The fan service is quite obvious. Granted that she and Suzaku and other knight of rounds didn't have a real fight but still...........
Yeah, Nunnally is naive. She should see for herself the kind of person that her brother truly is and proceed to side with Suzaku to stop his plan for destroying the royal family. The main reason why Suzaku never told her that lulu = zero, is probably because she can't handle the truth.
she is an idiot, why be with the stupid suzaku when you can be with someone intelligent that can bring you power, wealth and freedom. just because lelouch is ambitio sand is willing to doa nything to achieve his goal doesn't make him a bad person, most people in the real world are like that.
i hope is sister dies so that she can stop holding him back from doing what he wants to do.
DragonBlade
05-12-2008, 03:32 PM
she is an idiot, why be with the stupid suzaku when you can be with someone intelligent that can bring you power, wealth and freedom. just because lelouch is ambitio sand is willing to doa nything to achieve his goal doesn't make him a bad person, most people in the real world are like that.
i hope is sister dies so that she can stop holding him back from doing what he wants to do.
Thats the problem, she dies, Lelouch feel he is useless. He is doing this for his sister, not for Japan which is what Nunally goal is anyway. Technically, Nunally already has power wealth and freedom aka Governor General. She is with Suzaku for safety and he is indeed a best friend of Lelouch and whom she trusts already and she already knows the evilness of Zero who murdered her siblings.
Stormslayer
05-12-2008, 04:04 PM
she is an idiot, why be with the stupid suzaku when you can be with someone intelligent that can bring you power, wealth and freedom. just because lelouch is ambitio sand is willing to doa nything to achieve his goal doesn't make him a bad person, most people in the real world are like that.
i hope is sister dies so that she can stop holding him back from doing what he wants to do.
LOL. Spoken like a true Lelouch fan. But its the determined and purity portion of Nunnally's soul that cause me and Suzaku to prefer her over her evil brother. Nunnally is not like her brother, she never blamed anyone for her present plight and mother's death.
Thats the problem, she dies, Lelouch feel he is useless. He is doing this for his sister, not for Japan which is what Nunally goal is anyway. Technically, Nunally already has power wealth and freedom aka Governor General. She is with Suzaku for safety and he is indeed a best friend of Lelouch and whom she trusts already and she already knows the evilness of Zero who murdered her siblings.
If Lelouch truly love her sister, then he should join forces with her and Suzaku to build a Japanese SAR and give up his useless independent plans and his secret identity of "Zero".
Either that or he will end up fighting her and yeah, finally destroyed what little remains of his humanity.
Finally, the worst he can do is to use Rollo as a form of permanent emotional replacement for Nunnally.......
Z_Blitz
05-12-2008, 04:16 PM
Mordered reminds me of Gundam Virtue/Nadleeh.
Mordred = Nadaleeh + Virtue's main cannon + pink overhaul.
That aside, this episode wasn't as bad as some people think it is. Rollo's convenient appearance, inspite of being the most distasteful course of action taken, was probably the only way that Lelouch could've gotten away with talking to Nunally like that. Props to Suzaku and his strategies, even if they were inevitably overcame by the plot's induced stupidity.
Moving on to the next point, Gurren's mid-air transformation. No mecha anime would be complete without a mid-air transformation. It adds to the flashiness and brings that "POW" factor to the anime. Perhaps the reason why some people weren't too big on the mid air transformation was because of their disinclination towards mecha animes in general, which is understandable of course. I for one, enjoyed every single bit of it. Specially that the Gurren was long due the change.
Kallen's piloting skills being compared to the Knight of Rounds came by as no surprise to me. We all saw the Gurren fighting toe to toe with the Lancelot. Now imagine the case with an even BETTER version of the Gurren (aka the upgrade).
Nunally's goal to make a better world for everyone to live in and re-establish the administrative nation of Japan might be noble, but absurdly impossible to carry out. I can only imagine how the Japanese citizens will react to that given how things turned out when Euphemia initiated the idea. At any rate, we all know that Nunally will be the reason why Lelouch will hit a slump sometime during the anime's duration, given that she is his only weak point.
Now they just need to bring back Gawain, wherever it is. I miss its awesome beam shots.
QFT
We got through an entire episode without ridiculously obvious fanservice! yay!
I dunno. That rediculous power-up for the Guren was fanservice I think.
Anyway, what is with the hatred of Nunnally being together with Suzaku in this thread? Suzaku has always been protecting Nunnally since they are young and their feeling and friendship towards each other is genuine (unlike lulu and Suzaku). Its an inevitable consequence that they are now together.
Yes, but Suzaku wasn't the sellout douche he is now. Nunaly is neat. Suzaku doesn't deserve her.
Technically, Nunally already has power wealth and freedom aka Governor General.
I think she's just being used as a puppet governor, and Suzaku's going along with it.
Lind Ni Britannia
05-12-2008, 09:27 PM
If Lelouch truly love her sister, then he should join forces with her and Suzaku to build a Japanese SAR and give up his useless independent plans and his secret identity of "Zero".
He almost did most of that in Season 1 if it weren't for his Geass going out of control, lol.
I liked this episode. The mid-air Guren upgrade gave me lots of nostalgia of the very first Mobile Suit Gundam series (screw Gundam Impulse. Gundam Seed Destiny fails >_>), though I do admit that for a single upgrade it's like Kallen went from SSJ straight to SSJ3. <_<
Oh yeah. Suzaku gives me the "I'll Be Your Knight, But You'll Die Anyway!" impression >_> So much for being a knight if you can't keep who you're protecting from dying XD
dogmatix
05-12-2008, 10:33 PM
I dunno. That rediculous power-up for the Guren was fanservice I think.
The fact it happened in midair? yeah ok. But it was always gonna need a massive power up to compete with the knights of the rounds etc (fairly essential that they can compete in mech battles for the story to progress >_> )
Neko Rae
05-12-2008, 11:36 PM
Shouldn't Nunnally have noticed that Zero has the same voice as Lulu a long time ago? Since she's blind, she would use her sense of hearing more
He uses a voice distorter it sounds like to me. I think she noticed at the end when he called out to her by her first name.
The fact it happened in midair? yeah ok.
Not so much that as the fact we went from "Guren is pwned" to "Guren pwns joo!" in about a minute and Lloyd's jaw is dropping from the improvements to the radiation wave arm.
Lakshata mush have been doing some major studying in the last year to be able to build a float system from technology that was "beyond her" a year ago. I would say she's had the Gawain this whole time for research, except C.C. had that Knightmare last and it seems she has not been in contact with Lawkshata and the rest of them using the Black Knight's exile.
But then there is the question of how Kallen had the operating manuals for the Guren's new enhancements before they arrived to refute my assumption.
dogmatix
05-13-2008, 01:19 AM
Fair enough. The whole upgrade thing was quite contrived, but like i said, it filled a necessary advancement in the plot - it was also made fairly clear that the knights were holding back / pissfarting around and taken by surprise and temporarily disabled by the power increase. Suzaku was holding his own with the Guren, he just had more important things to do.
BamBam vi Britannia
05-13-2008, 01:25 AM
The action was cool and all but the mid-air upgrade was garbage. The upgrade is great but karen getting it and then pwning Knight of Rounds is a bit far fetched. The only way I can explain the fact she knew how to use all the stuff is all the random stuff that cam up on the screen when she got to upgrade.
The ending was OMG!
Lakshata sent her the operations manual beforehand. Remember her asking Kallen if she'd had time to read it just before the upgrade flew out to her?
BamBam vi Britannia
05-13-2008, 01:36 AM
?! I don't remember!!!!! When/How could have the manual been sent before hand?!
edit: wait wait wait... I remember Rakshata asking if Karen is done her H/W. That still doesn't explain when/how could have the manual been sent before hand.
edit: wait wait wait... I remember Rakshata asking if Karen is done her H/W. That still doesn't explain when/how could have the manual been sent before hand.
Yeah, that's what I'm say'n. Cause I thought this was some surprise reunion with Lakshata and Diethard after the year absense, but I guess Lakshata was in touch with them.
The knights had a rather large drawback. They knew what a machine could do, messed with it, knocked it out immediately.
It also immediately comes back with severely powerful upgrades, which they just learned from, it won't go like that again
- The ending of the episode made Zero once again look like the bad guy and Suzaku as the savior of Nunally..
Nunally has said she'll reinstate the Country of Japan within the area like Euphina was going to and we know that Lelouch was for that before he accidently made her go on a slaughtering rampage..
So the question really is, Will Zero/Lelouch go for the creation of an independant Japanese state within Area 11 again or will he come up with an excuse as to why The black knights won't go for it.
If he tries to aid nunally as Zero, there is no way that can work without some severe BS on why the Knights don't apprehend him. I mean at this point I doubt they really care what pretenses he arrives on, they would at least de-mask him.
Wow, awesome new episode! I liked it; Lelouch seriously got owned in the end. I don't know why I'm enjoying Lelouch's suffering, since I like him... but still... ouch, the ending was a huge slap to his face.
I think Suzaku and Lelouch's already rotten relationship has just gone further down the drain....
So the question really is, Will Zero/Lelouch go for the creation of an independant Japanese state within Area 11 again or will he come up with an excuse as to why The black knights won't go for it.
I think he would have trouble going along with the creation of the SAZ again. The Black Knights were skeptical about it the first time, and Lelouch used this to his advantage when Euphie went on her rampage. I don't think they would trust Britannia this time around.
Boy, if everyone still had their memories about Nunnaly it would seriously mess up Lelouch's cover at Ashford, as it would be weird for Nunaly to suddenly become the governor of Area 11 when they all knew her as just a regular student. Lelouch would be outed as royalty.
Minami Itsuki
05-13-2008, 04:59 AM
Omg how do the CG people do this. Every episode is so intense and leaves with a HUGE cliffhanger. Lol at the preview, what was up with Lelouch and Rolo?!
Stormslayer
05-13-2008, 05:32 AM
Yes, but Suzaku wasn't the sellout douche he is now. Nunaly is neat. Suzaku doesn't deserve her.
I have no problem selling out a friend who is a terrorist to the government, nor would I felt guilty because its the right thing to do.
Hence, Suzaku did the right thing, Nunnally will not blame him.
Oh yeah. Suzaku gives me the "I'll Be Your Knight, But You'll Die Anyway!"
No problem if they are married. Suzaku will 24 hours by her side. LOL to Lelouch if that happens. Love to see his face.
I have no problem selling out a friend who is a terrorist to the government, nor would I felt guilty because its the right thing to do.
I've just figured out why you don't like Lelouch. You're a nationalist. You believe that he's a terrorist because he goes against the Britannian government, so punishing him is the right thing to do. What he did must be wrong because it goes against the word of the law. The government is always right. If they didn't know what they're doing, they wouldn't be running the country.
This is fabulous idea, but it assumes two things:
There are always competent people in existence to carry out the roles in government.
There is no corruption in political systems.
But the Code Geass universe is nothing but corruption. The Emperor of Britannia was not democratically elected, he rules in the classic example of a monarchy. And monarchs generally gain power through Devine Right or Military Supremacy. He hands the throne down to his children in a classic "spoils of war"-like system which does nothing but further the problems, as those in power are ultimately not accountable to anyone.
I have no problem selling out a friend who is a terrorist to the government, nor would I felt guilty because its the right thing to do.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.
Stormslayer
05-13-2008, 07:23 AM
I've just figured out why you don't like Lelouch. You're a nationalist.
Nah, I'm not. My nation can kiss my a**. So wrong again.........
But the Code Geass universe is nothing but corruption. The Emperor of Britannia was not democratically elected, he rules in the classic example of a monarchy.
LOL, What make you think that Lelouch will do a better job anyway. BTW he is not fighting for the Japanese's better future, he is mainly fighting for revenge.
Thats why revolutions failed so badly in the past, they just exchanged one authoritarian system for another. Look at China/Russia revolution and the first revolution of French and first democracy nation state of German, all ruled by horrible people worse than their predecessors.
Anyway, back to topic, I don't want to go too off topic.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.
Agree but in this aspect, its the right thing to do. Terrorists don't really care about others, they only care about themselves. Others are just pawns to their cause.
Klavier Gavin
05-13-2008, 12:07 PM
Lol at the preview, what was up with Lelouch and Rolo?!
I knew something was going on between them from the start, LelouchxRolo. XD
BTW he is not fighting for the Japanese's better future, he is mainly fighting for revenge.
So true, Suzaku and Nunally are the ones going for a better future.
Jelouch
05-13-2008, 12:08 PM
Terrorists don't really care about others, they only care about themselves. Others are just pawns to their cause.
An unnessecary generalization.
Also , everyone cares about himself more than the others. It is a lie to say otherwise.
Sorry for getting off-topic.
Kenta
05-13-2008, 12:33 PM
People need to be selfish to live on. The world pretty much forces you to be selfish. Eat or be eaten, you be gentle to others but no one will be gentle to you.
Btw, no one is mentioning the king's pact with V.V. I'm wondering what they meant by killing the gods.
Stormslayer
05-13-2008, 01:24 PM
An unnessecary generalization.
Also , everyone cares about himself more than the others. It is a lie to say otherwise.
You generalize more than I do.
Btw, no one is mentioning the king's pact with V.V. I'm wondering what they meant by killing the gods.
gods = Aliens with advanced civilizations from Jupiters
Though I wonder how anyone could live in the hostile environment of Jupiter.
Terrorists don't really care about others, they only care about themselves. Others are just pawns to their cause.
i think you should watch a little movie called Paradise Now, it sheds soem light on terrorist groups.
and of course people care about themselves first, it's common logic. peoplemay say they don't, from the comfort of their homes, but in the end they look after themselves first, and others later.
Alex26
05-13-2008, 02:46 PM
Nunally has said she'll reinstate the Country of Japan within the area like Euphina was going to and we know that Lelouch was for that before he accidentally made her go on a slaughtering rampage..
Theres something funny about that sentence xd
I wonder if the Japanese will accept the "Euphy offer" after the slaughter. At the very least, I am almost completely certain that the Black Knights will not agree with Lulu if he tries to help his sister on the creation of little Japan. I wonder what are the king's plans for Lulu, making him face a similar situation that previously resulted on slaughter, I mean, he must know that Lulu did regained his memories, the king can't be that naive. So, is it to mold Lulu to his image or just for his amusement? I can't see how all this will help him kill the gods (whatever that means) unless he has found a way to make Zero go against those gods.
It'll be funny if things turned out Gurren Laggan-ish. The king was only protecting the human race from green haired aliens by ruling with his policy of stronger over weak on behalf of the aliens, but Lulu messes everything up and travels to space to kick some alien butt. I wonder if that's possible without a drill that pierces heaven xd
Or perhaps add a twist, the king was ruled by the aliens who controlled him cuz they > the king, the king doesn't like that and uses Lelouch to help him go against the aliens without having to openly betray the aliens and keep his position. But then, on whose side are VV and CC on? And why would any of them betray their race?
/done speculating
>_<
Nah, I'm not. My nation can kiss my a**. So wrong again.........
You don't have to believe in your own country's government to support the view that a government is the absolute authority. You may believe your own government is not legitimate, for example.
LOL, What make you think that Lelouch will do a better job anyway. BTW he is not fighting for the Japanese's better future, he is mainly fighting for revenge.
I never said anything about Lelouch's ability to rule. I simply point out that the government of Britannia is a system based off "I have more guns." or "Do you beleive my fairy tale?" so to hold it as some representative of the people's will is more than likely a bad idea.
Agree but in this aspect, its the right thing to do. Terrorists don't really care about others, they only care about themselves. Others are just pawns to their cause.
I agree that Lelouch is using most everyone like pawns, but I really don't see Britannia as doing anything different. So To base some opinion that Lelouch is the "bad guy" because of this is to ignore half the show.
I agree that Lelouch is using most everyone like pawns, but I really don't see Britannia as doing anything different. So To base some opinion that Lelouch is the "bad guy" because of this is to ignore half the show.
indeed.
there is no need for the obvious "good guys" and "bad guys" in every anime, in CG there are all types of individuals fighting for both sides, which makes it more interesting.
indeed.
there is no need for the obvious "good guys" and "bad guys" in every anime, in CG there are all types of individuals fighting for both sides, which makes it more interesting.
I agree. CG is interesting because unlike shallow animes such as Bleach, there is actually a gray area. It is hard to determine just who is the bad guy in this anime.
Lelouch is the leader of a terrorist and rebellion group. The King is a violent dictator. Both are using war and politics for their own gain. Neither one is innocent. Neither one is truly good or evil.
BamBam vi Britannia
05-13-2008, 11:13 PM
If the King and V.V. are brothers, does that make the king a wizard? Does this also mean that Lelouch has some wizard blood in his veins? If he does then he could possible unlock another geass power!
Jelouch
05-14-2008, 12:16 AM
@Stormslayer , you might be right , but think of it. If you , your family and your friends where being killed off , and you could save only 2 people , who would you save? No matter who the second one was , the first would have been you.
If the King and V.V. are brothers, does that make the king a wizard? Does this also mean that Lelouch has some wizard blood in his veins? If he does then he could possible unlock another geass power!
While I disagree that V.V is a wizard , and C.C a witch (I think they are some kind of Alien's left/forgotten in our world for unknown reasons) what you say could be right , if we take the Emperor's words true. But , I think it was a metaphor , to emphasize that he and V.V were close so many years , enough for them to consider each other friend , and brother.
It was said that VV and the king have been together for ages..Which would signify as you said metaphorically...I mean if your with someone for more then 50 years and they're helping you with their goal then they become a kind of brother.
DragonBlade
05-14-2008, 02:25 AM
I doubt its metaphorically. Doesnt sound liek what an emperor would do anyway, especially when he called him an older brother
Older because we already know that the witches - CC & VV have lived..For like...ever...And the Emperor doesn't believe he's evil remember he feels justified in what he's doing just like Lelouch is so he may be the good guy..
DragonBlade
05-14-2008, 04:20 AM
Conquering the world and aiming to kill the gods is a good guy =p
Conquering the world and aiming to kill the gods is a good guy =p
sounds like a fun thing to do.
i'm not particularly evil and i wouldn't mind doing that during my free time. =]
Lind Ni Britannia
05-14-2008, 07:33 AM
I agree. CG is interesting because unlike shallow animes such as Bleach
what do you expect from an anime based on a manga aimed at kids barely scraping adolescence? XD
i initially thought that Kallen was crying at the preview because the katakana was overlayed on her face. lol, love her clothing there <3
Kenta
05-14-2008, 08:37 AM
This is what's going to happen in ep 7.
Lelouch: I realize I was wrong, Rollo.
Rollo: What do you mean, nii-san?
Lelouch: You're important to me, I've realized I can live on without Nunally... but not without you, Rollo.
Rollo: Is that coming from your heart, nii-san?
Lelouch: It hurts me when you doubt me, Rollo... I would never lie to you.
Rollo: Nii-san...
Lelouch: Let's create a better world for... our future.
Rollo: Oh, nii-san... show me... how much you care about me.
Kallen: (censored) T_T
*curtains drawn*
You forgot to add the yaoi bubble effect I used on Icestorm.
Jelouch
05-14-2008, 11:28 AM
This is what's going to happen in ep 7.
Lelouch: I realize I was wrong, Rollo.
Rollo: What do you mean, nii-san?
Lelouch: You're important to me, I've realized I can live on without Nunally... but not without you, Rollo.
Rollo: Is that coming from your heart, nii-san?
Lelouch: It hurts me when you doubt me, Rollo... I would never lie to you.
Rollo: Nii-san...
Lelouch: Let's create a better world for... our future.
Rollo: Oh, nii-san... show me... how much you care about me.
Kallen: (censored) T_T
*curtains drawn*
ewhhh *falls from chair*
Lind Ni Britannia
05-14-2008, 01:25 PM
seriously, that frame between the two of them will give you that impression. >_>
Stormslayer
05-14-2008, 02:40 PM
I agree that Lelouch is using most everyone like pawns, but I really don't see Britannia as doing anything different. So To base some opinion that Lelouch is the "bad guy" because of this is to ignore half the show.
My general complaint is that some fans treat Lelouch like a heroic character when he is obviously not.
You don't have to believe in your own country's government to support the view that a government is the absolute authority. You may believe your own government is not legitimate, for example.
I'm not nationalist. I use my country as a simple example.
Lelouch: I realize I was wrong, Rollo.
Rollo: What do you mean, nii-san?
Lelouch: You're important to me, I've realized I can live on without Nunally... but not without you, Rollo.
Rollo: Is that coming from your heart, nii-san?
Lelouch: It hurts me when you doubt me, Rollo... I would never lie to you.
Rollo: Nii-san...
Lelouch: Let's create a better world for... our future.
Rollo: Oh, nii-san... show me... how much you care about me.
Kallen: (censored) T_T
Perfect solution for a desperate brother........ Hahaha
Jelouch
05-14-2008, 05:19 PM
My general complaint is that some fans treat Lelouch like a heroic character when he is obviously not.
Why bother?
My general complaint is that some fans treat Lelouch like a heroic character when he is obviously not.
i would say Lulu is heroic to a degree. being a good person has nothing to do with being heroic. if "heroic characters" were all naive idiots who believe in friendship and goodness and want to conquer everything through the power of their friends, then i'd kill myself. to get something done, you need to be ruthless, and Lulu is just that.
Jelouch
05-14-2008, 05:57 PM
i would say Lulu is heroic to a degree. being a good person has nothing to do with being heroic. if "heroic characters" were all naive idiots who believe in friendship and goodness and want to conquer everything through the power of their friends, then i'd kill myself. to get something done, you need to be ruthless, and Lulu is just that.
This is so true. By being lawfully good , you do not step directly in 'heroic and exalted' territory. Sometimes , you are just being stupid.
Suzaku , acted like an idiot on many occasions. Ichigo , Naruto (and many many more ) did - and stil do - the same. Are they really heroes? The only thing they would achieve in real life would be miserable failing.
Lelouch , on the other hand by being cold/ruthless/evil or whatever you accusse him of being is really making the world a better place.
That's more heroic than any stupidity.
Stormslayer
05-14-2008, 06:13 PM
Why bother?
Indeed but its still fun to see Lelouch getting owned. LOL
Suzaku , acted like an idiot on many occasions. Ichigo , Naruto (and many many more ) did - and stil do - the same. Are they really heroes? The only thing they would achieve in real life would be miserable failing.
If thats the case, then the same goes for superheroes like spiderman, batman, superman, X men (Magneto is more like Lelouch and professor X is a plain idiot like Suzaku), etc, or maybe we should call them super idiot instead from now on. LOL
If thats the case, then the same goes for superheroes like spiderman, batman, superman, X men (Magneto is more like Lelouch and professor X is a plain idiot like Suzaku), etc, or maybe we should call them super idiot instead from now on. LOL
sure.
how about we use better examples, examples that are actually similar to normal humans: Oedipus, Hamlet, Victor Frankentein, Count of Monte Christo, etc. They are all heroic archetypes, well developed and known characters, yet each have done horrible things.
Ew, Oedipus. XD
Like you you want to like, not like a differing opinion makes a person wrong or an idiot. Getting joy out of a character getting owned because others like them is childish, if the base is that you hate that character, then its fine. Either way, Lelouch will bounce back and the cyclic pattern will continue.
He is the leader of a faction, if it stayed superior, or inferior the whole time things would be a bit boring after awhile.
This is what's going to happen in ep 7.
Lelouch: I realize I was wrong, Rollo.
Rollo: What do you mean, nii-san?
Lelouch: You're important to me, I've realized I can live on without Nunally... but not without you, Rollo.
Rollo: Is that coming from your heart, nii-san?
Lelouch: It hurts me when you doubt me, Rollo... I would never lie to you.
Rollo: Nii-san...
Lelouch: Let's create a better world for... our future.
Rollo: Oh, nii-san... show me... how much you care about me.
Kallen: (censored) T_T
*curtains drawn*
ROFL! Omg, that's hilarious!
Somehow, I think you're right ;)
Jelouch
05-15-2008, 04:46 AM
Indeed but its still fun to see Lelouch getting owned. LOL
I don't like this ganging we Lelouch fans are doing to you now but this is a silly reason to debate buddy.
Anyway , as long as it's fine with you it's fine with me also.
Stormslayer
05-15-2008, 01:44 PM
I don't like this ganging we Lelouch fans are doing to you now
Nevermind, I'm used to it since episode one. Its like episode six already, right?
but this is a silly reason to debate buddy.
I don't think I state my reasons for hating Lelouch yet. The above is just an small appetizer for this thread. I'm not even into serious debate mood yet.
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