Strength/Power Classification

[aliti]

It is fairly obvious that some characters will not be able to defeat another character, eg 2nd division VC Omaeda would probably never defeat someone like Gin, however he may be able to defeat someone like Hinamori (or vice-versa). So those two would be in the same class.

I really don't want to get in discussion of power levels, or A defeated B, B defeated C, but C defeated A (in that case I would put them all three in the same class).

Lets say the top class is S-Class and then starts with A-Class and works down to D-Class (and lets say most non-seated or low seated Shinigami are E-Class or lower, or as Ulquiorra would say "Trash" :p ), Where do you think each character would rank?

This is how I would rank them as of now:

S-Class:
Yama
Aizen
Unohana
Shinji

A-Class:
Ukitake
Shunsui
Stark
Halibel
Barragan
Urahara
Love
Ulquiorra
Isshin
Yuruichi

B-Class:
Byakuya
Gin
Soi Fon
Kenpachi Zaraki
Ichigo
Mashiro
Grimmjow
Nnoitra
Tosen
Soifon
Neliel

C-Class:
Renji
Kaien
Szayel
Chad
Uryu
Zommari
Ikkaku
Iba
Dordonii
Aaroniero
Yammy

D-Class:
Nanao
Rukia
Kira
Hinamori
Nemu


(I realize I have left many people off the list but I think the general idea is fairly evident.)

[Rainl]

Unohana should be A-Class, I sort of doubt she's stronger than Shunsui, Although I would give her the advantage, over Ukitake only when His sickness occurs.

Since it is stated even by Yama, those two are the strongest, other than himself.
Id throw Shinji down to A-class as well, until we're given more evidence, than that little show against Ol' Grimmy.

Which if you look at it at certain perspectives wasn't too impressive, seeing as Grimm was in horrible stature.

Other than that, it seems, kinda right. I know its about to get flamed to hell, with some Zaraki, Gin, or Byakuya fanboyism.

[Esca]

Unohana is OLDER than Shunsui and Ukitake as they refer to her as their senior and they're 2000+ years old. Shunsui also seemed terrified at the fact he forgot her over something petty...

You can't take Yama's word for it. Why? Reason One: Aizen.

[Lelouch]

Unohana is OLDER than Shunsui and Ukitake as they refer to her as their senior and they're 2000+ years old. Shunsui also seemed terrified at the fact he forgot her over something petty...

You can't take Yama's word for it. Why? Reason One: Aizen.


Weren't Ukutake and Shunsui the first ( not neccesarily the strongest - that much I agree ) to graduate Yama's academy and become Captains ? Concerning the age part , I think they are older than Unohana.

I don't think Shunsui was 'terrified' as in afraid , but 'terrified' as in he wasn't polite enough.

Anyway , the list seems ok to me , it's just that I'd put Gin to A-rank.

[Esca]

Weren't Ukutake and Shunsui the first ( not neccesarily the strongest - that much I agree ) to graduate Yama's academy and become Captains ? Concerning the age part , I think they are older than Unohana.

Yamamoto was the one to CREATE the Academy, that doesn't mean there weren't Shinigami before, as he wasn't the only CC. They also refer to Unohana as their SENIOR, which means she's older. And no, they weren't the first, they were the STRONGEST.

I don't think Shunsui was 'terrified' as in afraid , but 'terrified' as in he wasn't polite enough.

He was scared of the consequences of forgetting her.

[Jelle]

In that list Shinji should be moved from S to A and Shunsui and Ukitake from A to S. Unohana definately should not be A-class though.

Other than that.. I'd say Ichigo might be able scrape into A-class. Gin, Byakuya and Zaraki might be close too but maybe not quite? I mostly agree with it, but there are a few there besides the ones already mentioned that are definately debatable.

(Aaroniero is in there twice btw.)

[Rainl]

Unohana is OLDER than Shunsui and Ukitake as they refer to her as their senior and they're 2000+ years old. Shunsui also seemed terrified at the fact he forgot her over something petty...

You can't take Yama's word for it. Why? Reason One: Aizen.

I think you may have interpreted my posts wrongly, I agreed Ukitake and Shunsui were stronger, and that Unohana should be A-class.

Yes Unohana is older, its just Ukitake and Shunsui, were the more stronger students of the academy.

[Reyin]

I think you may have interpreted my posts wrongly, I agreed Ukitake and Shunsui were stronger, and that Unohana should be A-class.

Yes Unohana is older, its just Ukitake and Shunsui, were the more stronger students of the academy.

Unohana was never at the Academy, she was a Shinigami before its creation by Yama-Jii. Don't get me wrong though, I think they're all probably about on the same level.

Also I realized you just called Uryuu "Ishida" but for something like this you really shouldn't because I would put his dad at an "A" level and him at C or B

[Esca]

Unohana was never at the Academy, she was a Shinigami before its creation by Yama-Jii. Don't get me wrong though, I think they're all probably about on the same level.

That's what I was saying.

[Rainl]

Its safe to assume that Ukitake and Shunsui, were Shinigami before, the academy was created as well, and simply joined it later, but it was stated by Yama himself, that their peer and seniors- this is including Unohana as well, was not on par with either of them.

[Esca]

Its safe to assume that Ukitake and Shunsui, were Shinigami before, the academy was created as well, but it was stated by Yama himself, that their peer and seniors- this is including Unohana as well, was not on par with either of them.

No, they weren't. That's why they ATTENDED said Academy. You have to graduate it before you're in the Gotei.

And I'm saying you can't take Yamamoto's word for it. Not even he suspected Aizen and he's about to lose to him.

[Reyin]

Its safe to assume that Ukitake and Shunsui, were Shinigami before, the academy was created as well, but it was stated by Yama himself, that their peer and seniors- this is including Unohana as well, was not on par with either of them.

They were depicted in novice uniforms with Yama-Jii training them in one of the openings, though since I'm not sure if this is from the manga or not it may not be viable. It would point to them as only being in training before hand though.

[Rainl]

No, they weren't. That's why they ATTENDED said Academy. You have to graduate it before you're in the Gotei.

And I'm saying you can't take Yamamoto's word for it. Not even he suspected Aizen and he's about to lose to him.

Why can't you take Yama's word for it? Thats all you have atm, its better than guessing. Where did Aizen come from?

He has nothing to do with this, no one suspected Aizen. Only because of his Shikai's ability, how can you suspect that?
Thats a totally different situation, than this one.

And no you don't know if he's about to lose or not, no one does. We can only assume. For all we know, something big can happen, causing either side to hold it off, or either retreat.

[Esca]

Why can't you take Yama's word for it?

Because he's not omnipotent.

Where did Aizen come from? He has nothing to do with this, no one suspected Aizen. Only because of his Shikai's ability, how can you suspect that?

It's proof he doesn't know the full extent of the abilities of those he commands, so his word can't be taken as an absolute truth.

And no we don't know if he's about to win atm or not, know one does. We can only assume. For all we know, something big can happen, causing either side to hold it off, or either retreat.

Aizen is going to win. Aizen HAS to win because if he loses, the whole "building up Ichigo" thing would have been pointless. Retreating isn't an option for him in this battle, because if he can't win now, he won't be able to later.

[Rainl]

Because he's not omnipotent.

I never depicted him as omnipotent. Im merely stating thats the only information we have at the moment, it may prove to be false later, it may not, as for now its on the table, and its all we have to go off of.

It's proof he doesn't know the full extent of the abilities of those he commands, so his word can't be taken as absolute proof.

Here you have Aizen, a man of deceit and trickery just look at what he's accomplished now. His shikai is handy, as stated above Yama isn't Omni, and Aizen was able to slip past him.

Now Ukitake and Shunsui on the other hand. Yama personally knew both. Even mentored and tutored both since there earlier days, and were the first two captains chosen by himself, to Graduate. Im pretty sure he knows much more about them than Aizen.

Although there still is a case, they may have gained newer abilities not known by Yama.



Aizen is going to win. Aizen HAS to win because if he loses, the whole "building up Ichigo" thing would have been pointless. Retreating isn't an option for him in this battle, because if he can't win now, he won't be able to later.

Yes he does, have to win but this is Shounen and dealing with Kubo, anything is liable to happen. For all we know, those espada that have been shown, aren't even vasto. He still may be saving them for something else? He still has the Royal Guard to consider.

[Sin]

For the record what Yama said was true individually their power is great but the way he spoke it made it seemed that because they always worked together their power was unrivalved by anyone who came before or after them. I doubt aizen can take on two top tier capts who work together. Yama can though

[Esca]

Here you have Aizen, a man of deceit and trickery just look at what he's accomplished now. His shikai is handy, as stated above Yama isn't Omni, and Aizen was able to slip past him.

Now Ukitake and Shunsui on the other hand. Yama personally knew both. Even mentored and tutored both since there earlier days, and were the first two captains chosen by himself, to Graduate. Im pretty sure he knows much more about them than Aizen.

Although there still is a case, they may have gained newer abilities not known by Yama.

Exactly, which is why you cannot state as fact that Ukitake or Shunsui > Unohana.

Yes he does, have to win but this is Shounen and dealing with Kubo, anything is liable to happen.

He's not a man of mystery. BECAUSE this is Shounen, Aizen will win and Ichigo will defeat him.

For all we know, those espada that have been shown, aren't even vasto. He still may be saving them for something else? He still has the Royal Guard to consider.

If the current Espada (1-4) aren't Vasto Lorde, then there's a serious problem with power levels. How many Espada would he need anyway, including himself, Tousen, and Ichimaru as fighters? We don't know how many Royal Guard members there are.

[Rainl]

Yea I kinda thought about that at first, and thats what had me worried about their fights in the upcoming arc,and they end up having to double up on one opponent, or a two on two. They may be powerful individually, but nearly unbeatable in team combat. I hope this isn't the case though.

Who knows, Aizen is pictured as God, to everyone nowadays. I think his outcome would've been the same as Yama's if he would've fought both at the same time. Many people think he would've just dropped both in under 30 seconds. No. Just no.

[Rainl]

Exactly, which is why you cannot state as fact that Ukitake or Shunsui > Unohana.



He's not a man of mystery. BECAUSE this is Shounen, Aizen will win and Ichigo will defeat him.

True, although there have been cases where a lot of good guys live in an all happy finale while the main antagonists is still defeated. Dbz anyone?:whatevah:



If the current Espada (1-4) aren't Vasto Lorde, then there's a serious problem with power levels. How many Espada would he need anyway, including himself, Tousen, and Ichimaru as fighters? We don't know how many Royal Guard members there are.

Well, hitsugaya said he would need atleast 10 vasto overthrow the SS. Wait did he say he would need 10 vasto, to defeat SS or to obtain the kings key? Because as of the case now, he wouldn't even need 10 to drop the SS. Seeing as half of the captains wouldn't last 10 secs against one.

I really hope he didn't mean he only needed to acquire 10 VL's to obtain the kings key, because that would mean the royal guard isn't worth crap, but I think Aizen, miscalculated and forgot about many other potential threats.

Such as: Vizards, hopefully
Urahara
Isshin
Ryuuken
Yoruichi.

[Esca]

True, although there have been cases where, a lot of good guys live, in an all happy finale, while the main antagonists is still defeated. Dbz anyone?

In DBZ, people DO die.. they're just resurrected. Pointless, yes, but at least they're dying.

Vizards, hopefully - I think he knows.
Urahara - Does he think he's a threat? No idea.
Isshin - I HIGHLY DOUBT he knows about Isshin.
Ryuuken - Same as above, if he gets involved.
Yoruichi - I don't think she's that much of a problem.

[Seff vi Britannia]

S class;
Yamma
Unohana
Aizen
Stark
Barrigan
Halibel
Sanrei glove released Ishida

A class;
Shunsui
Ukitake
Shinji
Kensei
Rose
Urahara
Love
Yoruichi
Tessai
Gin
Ulquiorra
Isshin?
Ryuuken?

B class
Ichigo
Nnoitra
Grimmjow
Soi Fon
Tousen
Komamura
Zaraki
Hachi
Lisa
Mashiro

C class
Hitsugaya
Byakuya
Mayuri
Zomari
Hiyori

Here i got bored

[Esca]

That list is going to cause an uproar, both you and I know it.

[Rainl]

It sure as hell will and ill start it. Lol, joking. But esca is right. So for now I won't even say anything.:whatevah:

[KholdStare]

This thread is in the wrong section. This is not a bleach battle. I feel this thread will just cause spam but I will leave it open for a little while and monitor it. It will get closed pretty quickly if it does. Not only this but this thread was not labeled properly as it has many manga spoilers and there was NO warning of this.

/moved

[Graffik]

I really hope he didn't mean he only needed to acquire 10 VL's to obtain the kings key, because that would mean the royal guard isn't worth crap, but I think Aizen, miscalculated and forgot about many other potential threats.

From what we know so far of the, the Royal Guard has no business in SS as the king himself doesn't reside there. Remember Yama with the king's key and etc.

It simply means Aizen has to formulate the next steps to his plan, or Kubo is planning to use the Royal Guard as a plot-hole to effectively 'rid' Aizen from the story so it ends happily like any good shounen.

[aliti]

(Aaroniero is in there twice btw.)
Deleted the 2nd Aaroniero. Thanks.


Also I realized you just called Uryuu "Ishida" but for something like this you really shouldn't because I would put his dad at an "A" level and him at C or B
Changed. My thanks as well.


This list took me about 5 minutes to put together, although it is an idea I have been playing with in the back of my mind since the Bleach Tournament. I could see Ichigo moved up to the A-class or Shinji and/or Unohana down to A-class but I didn't want to have people then argue that Byakuya/Zaraki/Grimm, et al should be A-Class as well; and I added Shinji and Unohana 1) because I think each is pretty powerful--more powerful than have been given credit, 2) I did not want Yama or Aizen put on some unreachable platform (not saying they are not immensely strong compared to the others, but I do believe they do have limitations).

I wanted to see where other people might think I erred or what level other characters might be at. Thanks for the responses so far.

This thread is in the wrong section. This is not a bleach battle. I feel this thread will just cause spam but I will leave it open for a little while and monitor it. It will get closed pretty quickly if it does. Not only this but this thread was not labeled properly as it has many manga spoilers and there was NO warning of this.

Ah, i was wondering about that when I created it if I should put it there are not. And I, too, hope people don't just start spamming but have a strong reasons about where they believe characters are at. I originally put it in battles because as I was thinking of who to group with who, one of the tenants was "who fighting who would be an interesting match and would not be an easy win?"

Mea Culpa for forgetting the Manga Spoiler Tag.
That makes me a sad panda :(

[HikariAkagi]

Umm yeah ichigo is more powerful then byakuya and zaraki now since he can go vizard so i believe he should be A-Class and so should grimmjow since he did fight ichigo full on with him in vizard. I don't think byakuya or zaraki can come close to beating ichigo when he is in vizard form...I mean look at what he can do, i don't think byakuya or zaraki could have fought grimmjow and won.

[s0Lstar18]

S-Class:
Yama
Aizen
Unohana
Stark
Halibel
Barragan
Ukitake
Shunsui


A-Class:
Urahara
Ulquiorra
Shinji
Love
Gin
Isshin
Yoruichi
Ichigo
Ryuken
Rose
Kensei

B-Class:
Byakuya
Kenpachi Zaraki
Mashiro
lisa
Hyori
Hachi
Wonderwice(for now..hehe)
Grimmjow
Nnoitra
Tosen
Soifon
Kaien
Neliel
Mayuri
Komamura(sp?)
Hitsugaya

C-Class:
Renji
Szayel
Chad
Uryu
Zommari
Ikkaku
Iba
Dordonii
Aaroniero
Yammy

D-Class:
Nanao
Rukia
Kira
Hinamori
Nemu

[Jooliyan]

Well. i agree with were Ichigo is but hes kinda Cusping on the border of bottom of A Class and top of B class


I however Kaien.. was a prodigy.. offered VC... numerous times.. so its fair to say he belongs in B class

[B-Eazy]

No worries on Ichi, when Aizen is about to win Ichi will magically become Super-Uber S class. I will post my list later

[s0Lstar18]

Umm yeah ichigo is more powerful then byakuya and zaraki now since he can go vizard so i believe he should be A-Class and so should grimmjow since he did fight ichigo full on with him in vizard. I don't think byakuya or zaraki can come close to beating ichigo when he is in vizard form...I mean look at what he can do, i don't think byakuya or zaraki could have fought grimmjow and won.

then that means Zaraki would be Class A for killing Nnoitra(who would be class A since he was stronger than grimmjow)and that would make the top 4 espada class S:toocool:

[newbsrule]

i think top 4 espada should be s class along with shunsui and ukitake and i think ichigo should be a class

[Character]

Ichigo should be in a class of his own but in Bleach, he is never going to be completely defeated.

[Rainl]

I dont know whether these lists are based off of potential or of whats been shown so far. If we go off what s been shown, you could put Yama and Aizen, in there very own category, since what they've displayed puts them at a level far above anyone. We have not seen what the other top 3 espada are capable of, this applies to others as well, but until further evidence is given this is how it stands.

Yama can take said captains Ukitake and Shunsui simultaneously and come out unscaved. Im guessing this is going off of "if these were 1on1 type battle", then they are definately not on Yama's level, if it came down to a 1on1, or even in his class.

You could also put Aizen among him, he can take, as we all agree Grimmjow an B-A level opponent, judging by the list. Aizen can drop him with reiatsu alone, if he can take on two high tiers, at the same time, is unknown, but with that act alone you can make out a pretty good judgement on the levels he's at.

So we could just say:
As of the evidence as shown. This is just a theory, and it will change:

Also note the order they are named is not the ranking in strength for each lists, its all random.

S-class:
Yamamoto
Aizen


A-class:
Shunsui
Unohana
Ukitake
Stark
Barragan
Halibel
Ulquiorra-He definately deserves an A-class ranking, seeing how he easily dropped ichigo with no effort.
Shinji-Seeing how easily he toyed with Grimmjow, Also consider the fact, he was easily holding off Grimmjow, without using his mask.
Yoruichi-Can easily drop most opponents, with merely hand to hand combat, let alone release Bankai.


B-Class:
Ichigo-can't really give him an A-class atm, although he's definately close on that line.
Grimmjow
Zaraki
Nnoitora
Byakuya
Mayuri-yes Mayuri is on my lists at B-class, think about it before you flame me.
Gin
Tousen
Zomari-He can really cause damage to alot of opponents. Its just unfornate he got an combatant with so much speed.
Szayel-He deserves a spot here as much as Mayuri does.

Unknown until given further evidence:
Urahara
Isshin
Ryuuken
Vaizards[excluding Shinji]


C-class
Who cares about the rest.....
...
..

Side Note: Why do I get the feeling from now on, we wont be referring to people, as High, Mid, or Low tier, anymore and will start simply naming there power by Class?

[licon2415]

How would he put Ulquiorra in the a-class and neliel in the b-class when she was #3 and he is #4? Shinji is more of an a class. I think that Shunsui should be up there in the s-class and maybe Gin as well. I think that Gin is really powerfull, he was able to get uryu, orihime, chad on their knees with only his spiritual pressure and he was Aizen's lieutenant for a reason. I think that Gin would easily defeat any of the a class captains on that list. Unahana I don't think is too powerful. She may just be overly respected because of her being the oldest next to old man yama. Ukitake is a b class since he is also extremely powerful but his sickness would still only get in the way.
Also, I always thought that Chad would get really powerful but he's still too weak. Noitra beat him with one slash. I think that maybe Kubo Tite will take the direction of making him a full body armor. The reason for this is that Chad's power is the closest to a hollow next to ichigo. If Chad learns to fire cero, or even gran rey cero, that will be when he can go up against vastro lordes and be on equal footing.
The same goes for ichigo. When his hollow took over his body, he was about to launch a cero blast. Also, Shinji fired a cero from his sword in his vizard form while fighting Grimmjow. I think if Ichigo learns more things from zangetsu and also learns to fire cero from his hollow teaching him, that's when he would be more than a match for Aizen.

[Rainl]

How would he put Ulquiorra in the a-class and neliel in the b-class when she was #3 and he is #4? Shinji is more of an a class. I think that Shunsui should be up there in the s-class and maybe Gin as well. I think that Gin is really powerfull, he was able to get uryu, orihime, chad on their knees with only his spiritual pressure and he was Aizen's lieutenant for a reason. I think that Gin would easily defeat any of the a class captains on that list. Unahana I don't think is too powerful. She may just be overly respected because of her being the oldest next to old man yama. Ukitake is a b class since he is also extremely powerful but his sickness would still only get in the way.
Also, I always thought that Chad would get really powerful but he's still too weak. Noitra beat him with one slash. I think that maybe Kubo Tite will take the direction of making him a full body armor. The reason for this is that Chad's power is the closest to a hollow next to ichigo. If Chad learns to fire cero, or even gran rey cero, that will be when he can go up against vastro lordes and be on equal footing.
The same goes for ichigo. When his hollow took over his body, he was about to launch a cero blast. Also, Shinji fired a cero from his sword in his vizard form while fighting Grimmjow. I think if Ichigo learns more things from zangetsu and also learns to fire cero from his hollow teaching him, that's when he would be more than a match for Aizen.

Neliel isn't as strong as Ulquiorra now. She was number 3 when Nnoiora was what? Number 8 or 7 I believe. She may have been the 3rd most powerful in her time, but its been proven her numbers are merely numbers now.

Although I would give her the edge over Grimmjow, Maybe Nnoitora, but definately not Ulquiorra as it stands.

[Vicent]

I like s0Lstar18 update better..

then who are we missing in this list?

[SenpaiRetsu]

Hey all first of all lets settle this Shunsui and Ukitake issue if it's not already settled.

look at the top panel.

http://img37.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/00000155/10.jpg

it is clear that the power of complimentary abilities is unrivaled by anyone past or future. he did not say that individually Ukitake or Shunsui are the strongest. In fact the said Ukitake's greastest strength was being the center of a crowd and his weakness was being frail. he said Shunsui weakness is women but his strength is seeing the character in people.

With this being said that doesn't necessarily make Unohana stronger than Shunsui but it easily makes her stronger than Ukitake. she is all about healing it's probably safe to assume she is the healthiest shinigami.

Anyhow everyone knows i love Unohana but sadly she's not S class. I agree with Stri, clearly Yama and maybe Aizen are on a whole other plane. I don't see Unohana taking on 2 high teirs and coming out unscathed like Yama did. Nor do i see Shunsui or Ukitake able to do the same. Aizen had a chance to take one and he had Gin with him and he backed down. I don't think Aizen fears Unohana, i don't think he fears anyone, but Unohana knew he was there, she went there looking for him and she only showed up with her VC, who is major weaksauce. Obviously she must think he is not on Yama's level to go in their alone.


So here is my list:

S Class: Yama (yes he's in a class of his own, he faced two high tiers in shikai and came out completely unscathed. He's in a class of his own folks)

A Class:

Aizen (He stopped Ichigo's Bankai with 1 finger, 1 shotted 2 captains, and brought Grimmjaw down to his knees. Plus he's the antagonist. The databooks give him number )
Unohana( she's the second oldest next to yama and in bleach age often equals power. also this is a good way to look at the captains if u look at the bleach power chart:
1.) Yamamoto-------560 & Aizen-560
2.) Unohana---------540
3.) Kyoraku----------530
4.) Byakuya----------510
5.) Hitsugaya--------500
6.) Ukitake-----------490
7.) Gin----------------480
8.) Komamura-------470
9.) soifong-----------460 & Tosen-460
10.)Mayuri------------430
11.)Kenpachi---------390

clearly Unohana is up there out of a possible 600 she's 540)
Shunsui
Ukitake
Stark
Barragan
Halibel
Shinji(he took on grimmy in his BASE with no shikai, bankai, or mask easily)
Ulquiorra(he caught a vaizard ichigo KGT with his BARE HANDS. KGT is a hella strong attack. to deflect that with only his hands he has to be A class)
Urahara (easily he walked into a battle with 3 espada class opponents and made them look silly. He can cut an espada(luppi) with his shikai. most people wouldn't even bother using shikai on an espada unless they are really powerful like yama or urahara. uber intelligence and speed i definitely give it to him.)
All viazards are by default A class because any vaizard > Ichigo and Ichigo is at a minimum B class arguably A)
Yoruichi (without a zanpakuto she's easily mid tier captain status, with one forget about it. she's easily pwning most people the only question mark is her attack power, could she even penetrate the hierro of Ulquiorra and up?????)
Byakuya is at the bottom of the A class.(i know this is controversial. He is very versatile and it all comes down to whether SKY can penetrate the defenses of his foes)

B Class

Gin
Ichigo
Tosen
Grimmjaw
Ryuuken
Isshin
Szayel
Soifon
Mayuri
Zomari

C class:

Zaraki(ok i know i know. i like zaraki too but his attack power is easily A or S class however he is only a melee fighter, anybody that has any type of ranged attack which is everyone in A class is just going to stand back and wear him down with energy attacks.He kicks ass but sadly he's a completely 1 dimensional fighter)
Nnoitora( same as zaraki)
#9 espada(he was fail)
Komamura
Hitsugaya
Renji
Yammi
Uryuu

All the rest are trash

[Character]

S-class:
Yamamoto
Aizen


A-class:
Shunsui
Unohana
Ukitake
Stark
Barragan
Halibel
Ulquiorra-He definately deserves an A-class ranking, seeing how he easily dropped ichigo with no effort.
Shinji-Seeing how easily he toyed with Grimmjow, Also consider the fact, he was easily holding off Grimmjow, without using his mask.


B-Class
Ichigo-can't really give him an A-class atm, although he's definately close on that line.
Grimmjow
Zaraki
Nnoitora
Byakuya
Mayuri-yes Mayuri is on my lists at B-class, think about it before you flame me.

Unknown until given further evidence
Urahara
Isshin
Ryuuken
Vaizards[excluding Shinji]
Yoruichi

C-class
Who cares about the rest.....
...
..

Side Note: Why do I get the feeling from now on, we wont be referring to people, as High, Mid, or Low tier, anymore and will start simply naming there power by Class?

No complaints here. Pretty much spot on IMO.

How would he put Ulquiorra in the a-class and neliel in the b-class when she was #3 and he is #4? Shinji is more of an a class. I think that Shunsui should be up there in the s-class and maybe Gin as well. I think that Gin is really powerfull, he was able to get uryu, orihime, chad on their knees with only his spiritual pressure and he was Aizen's lieutenant for a reason. I think that Gin would easily defeat any of the a class captains on that list. Unahana I don't think is too powerful. She may just be overly respected because of her being the oldest next to old man yama. Ukitake is a b class since he is also extremely powerful but his sickness would still only get in the way.
Also, I always thought that Chad would get really powerful but he's still too weak. Noitra beat him with one slash. I think that maybe Kubo Tite will take the direction of making him a full body armor. The reason for this is that Chad's power is the closest to a hollow next to ichigo. If Chad learns to fire cero, or even gran rey cero, that will be when he can go up against vastro lordes and be on equal footing.
The same goes for ichigo. When his hollow took over his body, he was about to launch a cero blast. Also, Shinji fired a cero from his sword in his vizard form while fighting Grimmjow. I think if Ichigo learns more things from zangetsu and also learns to fire cero from his hollow teaching him, that's when he would be more than a match for Aizen.

GIN IS NOT THAT POWERFUL!!!! Yes he is a strong captain, but look at the bleach databooks. Unohana, Shunsui, and Ukitake would all hand it to him.


Aizen (He stopped Ichigo's Bankai with 1 finger, 1 shotted 2 captains, and brought Grimmjaw down to his knees. Plus he's the protagonist. The databooks give him number )


I think you mean antagonist.

[Rainl]

Well I wouldn't really look to deeply in those databooks, which has Hitsugaya higher than Ukitake and everyone and their mom knows thats complete bs. Even if Ukitakes illness kicks in.

[Jay3205]

The databooks may show their general "power", but it doesn't really account for their skills or ability. Who really cares if you're weak when you can kill an opponent guaranteed in 2 hits, or if you can just poison them.

[SenpaiRetsu]

thanks character i added that.

@Jay i agree that's why many of my rankings have nothing to do with the databooks. Soifon is not nearly as "strong" as nnoitora but i highly doubt that he could even hit her. 2 hits and he's dead, and that's just in shikai.

[Sin]

@Jay3205: Databooks show their personal progress towards reaching their their own specific limits as a shinigami. It can't really be used to compare power levels.

@aliti: This is how I would rank them as of now:

S-Class:
Yama
Aizen
Urahara Kisuke
Unohana Retsu
Shinji - Vizard (capt)
Love - Vizard (capt)
Ichigo - Vizard (capt level)
Rose - Vizard (capt)
Kensei - Vizard (capt)
Stark - Espada (VL)
Barragan - Espada (VL)
Halibel - Espada (VL)
Ulquiorra - Espada (VL)
Ukitake/Shunsui

A-Class:

Mashiro (Lt) - Vizard
Hyori (Lt) - Vizard
Risa (Lt) - Vizard
Hachigen (Lt) - Vizard
Isshin
Yuruichi
Gin
Byakuya
Kenpachi Zaraki
Grimmjow

B-Class:

Soi Fon
Renji
Nnoitra
Tosen
Soifon
Neliel
Rukia

C-Class:

Kaien
Szayel
Chad
Uryu
Zommari
Ikkaku
Iba
Dordonii
Aaroniero
Yammy

D-Class:

Rangiku
Nanao
Kira
Hinamori
Nemu

I think a lot of this can't be really measured like that though but here's my list.

[SenpaiRetsu]

@Jay3205: Databooks show their personal progress towards reaching their their own specific limits as a shinigami. It can't really be used to compare power levels.

@aliti: This is how I would rank them as of now:

S-Class:
Yama
Aizen
Urahara Kisuke
Unohana Retsu
Shinji - Vizard (capt)
Love - Vizard (capt)
Ichigo - Vizard (capt level)
Rose - Vizard (capt)
Kensei - Vizard (capt)
Stark - Espada (VL)
Barragan - Espada (VL)
Halibel - Espada (VL)
Ulquiorra - Espada (VL)
Ukitake/Shunsui

A-Class:

Mashiro (Lt) - Vizard
Hyori (Lt) - Vizard
Risa (Lt) - Vizard
Hachigen (Lt) - Vizard
Isshin
Yuruichi
Gin
Byakuya
Kenpachi Zaraki
Grimmjow

B-Class:

Soi Fon
Renji
Nnoitra
Tosen
Soifon
Neliel
Rukia

C-Class:

Kaien
Szayel
Chad
Uryu
Zommari
Ikkaku
Iba
Dordonii
Aaroniero
Yammy

D-Class:

Rangiku
Nanao
Kira
Hinamori
Nemu

I think a lot of this can't be really measured like that though but here's my list.

where is Hitsugaya, he is a captain after all he should at least be in C class

[s0Lstar18]

I like s0Lstar18 update better..

then who are we missing in this list?

thanks, I try:biggrinki no bias invloved, I tried to be as honest as possible even with the people we haven't seen in action like that, I didn't list them in order for each class, I just put who I thought belonged in each class by their power as of now, basically they're grouped together in each class in no particular order

[Sin]

@sempai: Hes a B class in my book. That 1000 year Ice Prison made me realize he has attacks he hasn't shown us yet.

[captainmawaluigi]

Tiers.....dont exist!!......runs over to ssbb boards to declare my prophecy

[SenpaiRetsu]

Tiers.....dont exist!!......runs over to ssbb boards to declare my prophecy

sure technically your right, tiers are something the fans made up. It's just an easier way to designate the relatively weak captains from the stronger ones. None of the captains are actually weak. just in comparison to each other. they certainly aren't all equal, we've see this in the HM arc. Hitsugaya couldn't kill a replacement sixth espada with his ultimate attack and Byakuya could kill the seventh with his unrelesed sword.

[Ulchigo]

sure technically your right, tiers are something the fans made up. It's just an easier way to designate the relatively weak captains from the stronger ones. None of the captains are actually weak. just in comparison to each other. they certainly aren't all equal, we've see this in the HM arc. Hitsugaya couldn't kill a replacement sixth espada with his ultimate attack and Byakuya could kill the seventh with his unrelesed sword.

eh, im pretty sure he used his bankai O_O
and even though Luppi as just replacing Grimmjow as the sixth espada, it DOES take a great deal of strength to fill that spot, also if they hadnt been pulled out by the Negation Luppi would have eventually gotten killed by Hitsugaya imo... anyhow, Luppi wouldnt have been placed as the sixth if he was weaker than the seventh, im just thinkin' logically ^^

[Esca]

anyhow, Luppi wouldnt have been placed as the sixth if he was weaker than the seventh, im just thinkin' logically

Rankings aren't important. Aizen made Luppi 6th to spite Grimmjow.. if he were powerful, Grimmjow wouldn't have killed him (with ease) the way he did.

[smach]

The Jackson in my pocket says otherwise.

Sure, Zomari has a chance of winning when they're sealed. If they release, logic says eight fast tentacles will crush the voodoo pumpkin with eyes on its body.



/half-sarcasm

[Vicent]

Ok Ill try not to mess up (F*CK WHEN I WAS TO FINISH THE PAGE RELOADED AND I LOST MY POST AND HAVE TO REDO IT ARG!) Si im sorry if i post this too late :P


King Class:
The Royal Family (Im just expecluating)



Royal Class:
1. Yama
1. Aizen
3. Stark - Espada (VL)
3. Barragan - Espada (VL)
3. Halibel - Espada (VL)
6. Ulquiorra - Espada (VL)
*Vasto Lordes are supposed to be stronger that captain class, assuming this ones are VL i place then HERE, Why? beacuse im setting S-Class with the top Captain Levels. Need another reason? Well Aizen wants to overthrow SS and defeat the king, he may be ubber strong, but alone wont make it, then the VL gotta be strong enough to help him accomplish his goals. Stark, Barragan and Hallibel are number 3, well its kind of obvious why



S-Class:

1. Zero Division Members
* I thought on place this Divison on the Royal Class, but i place them TOP S-Class because two reasons: A) they have been set as a level above captain class, so i place then TOP just to expeculate with their power but there can be Captains that could be stronger that this divison members, i think they may not, but i will count at least Unohana B)They CANNOT be in the Royal Class because if they were stronger that Aizen or the Vasto Lordes, then BLEACH ends.
1 Unohana Retsu
2. Shinji - Vizard (capt)
* Im exluding all the rest of the Vizards, reasons: A) shinji is the only one that we know for sure how stronng (he may) be. B) The rest of the vizard may had been captain level before hybridization, but since there are captains in the A and B class, we can not tell for sure if they werent on those levels when they were in gotei, so better not list then until they show us their power as Vizards.
3. Urahara Kisuke
4. Ukitake/Shunsui
* My Reasons why they are not placed higher: A) they havent fight yet, we can just expeculate about their power B) Yama said that their powers are "complementary", so i assume their combined power is kick ass, but individualy, they are just S-Class.
5. Ichigo - Vizard (capt level)
* I will give Ichigo the main character this much.




A-Class:

1.Isshin
2.Yuruichi
3.Byakuya
4. Kenpachi Zaraki
* The data book may say that he is weaker that Hitsu, but he one-handed Espada Numero 5 when Hitsu worked his ass with Espada Numero 6
6. Hitsugaya
* Im not a Hitsu fan, but he defeated Espada Numero 6 (grimjows level) You like it or not: HE DID.
7. Neliel
8. Nnoitra
* Why place him here and Ichigo Higher?? Reason: Ichigo was at his limit after fighting Grimjow, im sure he may had a chance if he were in his full potential, right now he is heading to Ulquiorra, he may have even gotten stronger after his fight with Grimjow.
9. Grimmjow



B-Class:

1. Mayuri
2. Renji
3. Uryu
*Im sorry, but he is strong; at least he have proven the potential though he has yet to reach the level of Final Quincy form again, until then i place him under Mayuri)
4. Gin
6. Tosen
* I place Gin and Tousen here based on their performance in SS, current situation unkwon, plase dont flame about this two
9. Komamura
8. Soi Fon




C-Class:

1. Zommari
2. Szayel
* how can Szayel be lower that Renji and Uryu?? reasons: A)Sayel is not strong, he got quite the brain and the tricks, but not the muscle, Renji and Uryu clearly kick his ass, but Sayel were and advantage in that room with all the power limitations he set, But yes i set Szayel for discution)
3. Rukia (<= amazing how is it that she is not even a ranked seat)
4. Chad
5. Aaroniero/Kaien as some of you have named him
6. Yammy
7. Dordonii



D-Class:

Rangiku
Nanao
Kira
Orihime
Hinamori
Nemu
* I dont know, i cant rank them.

[SenpaiRetsu]

Ok Ill try not to mess up (F*CK WHEN I WAS TO FINISH THE PAGE RELOADED AND I LOST MY POST AND HAVE TO REDO IT ARG!) Si im sorry if i post this too late :P


King Class:
The Royal Family (Im just expecluating)



Royal Class:
1. Yama
1. Aizen
3. Stark - Espada (VL)
3. Barragan - Espada (VL)
3. Halibel - Espada (VL)
6. Ulquiorra - Espada (VL)
*Vasto Lordes are supposed to be stronger that captain class, assuming this ones are VL i place then HERE, Why? beacuse im setting S-Class with the top Captain Levels. Need another reason? Well Aizen wants to overthrow SS and defeat the king, he may be ubber strong, but alone wont make it, then the VL gotta be strong enough to help him accomplish his goals. Stark, Barragan and Hallibel are number 3, well its kind of obvious why



S-Class:

1. Zero Division Members
* I thought on place this Divison on the Royal Class, but i place them TOP S-Class because two reasons: A) they have been set as a level above captain class, so i place then TOP just to expeculate with their power but there can be Captains that could be stronger that this divison members, i think they may not, but i will count at least Unohana B)They CANNOT be in the Royal Class because if they were stronger that Aizen or the Vasto Lordes, then BLEACH ends.
1 Unohana Retsu
2. Shinji - Vizard (capt)
* Im exluding all the rest of the Vizards, reasons: A) shinji is the only one that we know for sure how stronng (he may) be. B) The rest of the vizard may had been captain level before hybridization, but since there are captains in the A and B class, we can not tell for sure if they werent on those levels when they were in gotei, so better not list then until they show us their power as Vizards.
3. Urahara Kisuke
4. Ukitake/Shunsui
* My Reasons why they are not placed higher: A) they havent fight yet, we can just expeculate about their power B) Yama said that their powers are "complementary", so i assume their combined power is kick ass, but individualy, they are just S-Class.
5. Ichigo - Vizard (capt level)
* I will give Ichigo the main character this much.




A-Class:

1.Isshin
2.Yuruichi
3.Byakuya
4. Kenpachi Zaraki
* The data book may say that he is weaker that Hitsu, but he one-handed Espada Numero 5 when Hitsu worked his ass with Espada Numero 6
6. Hitsugaya
* Im not a Hitsu fan, but he defeated Espada Numero 6 (grimjows level) You like it or not: HE DID.
7. Neliel
8. Nnoitra
* Why place him here and Ichigo Higher?? Reason: Ichigo was at his limit after fighting Grimjow, im sure he may had a chance if he were in his full potential, right now he is heading to Ulquiorra, he may have even gotten stronger after his fight with Grimjow.
9. Grimmjow



B-Class:

1. Mayuri
2. Renji
3. Uryu
*Im sorry, but he is strong; at least he have proven the potential though he has yet to reach the level of Final Quincy form again, until then i place him under Mayuri)
4. Gin
6. Tosen
* I place Gin and Tousen here based on their performance in SS, current situation unkwon, plase dont flame about this two
9. Komamura
8. Soi Fon




C-Class:

1. Zommari
2. Szayel
* how can Szayel be lower that Renji and Uryu?? reasons: A)Sayel is not strong, he got quite the brain and the tricks, but not the muscle, Renji and Uryu clearly kick his ass, but Sayel were and advantage in that room with all the power limitations he set, But yes i set Szayel for discution)
3. Rukia (<= amazing how is it that she is not even a ranked seat)
4. Chad
5. Aaroniero/Kaien as some of you have named him
6. Yammy
7. Dordonii



D-Class:

Rangiku
Nanao
Kira
Orihime
Hinamori
Nemu
* I dont know, i cant rank them.

If Uryuu is B class than Ryuuken is easily A class. everyone knows that Ryuuken>>>>>Uryuu.

plus what about all of the vaizards almost all of them fought vaizard ichigo or sometimes even worse hollow ichigo without even calling their mask. and he was with mask and bankai, they are much stronger than him. if they went bankai with mask at this point they'd annihilate him.

[Vicent]

^ yeah, i got some holes sorry... but as for vizards as i said... better refrain untill know for sure... i didnt said they werent powerfull, its just that we dont know how much...

[Jooliyan]

@Jay3205: Databooks show their personal progress towards reaching their their own specific limits as a shinigami. It can't really be used to compare power levels.
R=Magenta]C-Class[/COLOR]:

Kaien





NO! This is Shiba Kaien were all talking about he was a prodigy! how can he be in C maybe middle B but C.. come on e-brutha hes defintly worthy of more praise

[Rainl]

o.o. Yes he may have been a prodigy, But battle wise he didn't show anything worth him being that high.

[Jooliyan]

well maybe the bottom of B. his skills put him at VC at a young age.. that somewhat consituts him to be higher than C

[Seff vi Britannia]

My list again with reasons
Please note that the person on the bottom of S class is not actually the bottom, just the way i typed it all up, lol.

S class;
Yamma << Took on two high level captains with just his shikai and walked out unharmed. Captain commander of the G13 has to mean something too.
Unohana << Implied to be strong.
Aizen << Stopped Bichigo with one finger, one shotted Hitsugaya, Komamura.
Stark << Top 3 espada, seemingly able to teleport.
Barrigan << Top 3 espada
Halibel << "
Sanrei glove released Ishida << Destroyed a captain's bankai with one shot.

A class;
Shunsui<< Said by Yamma to be one of the two most capable captains.
Ukitake << "
Shinji << Handled Grimm easily, broke through Kyoka Suigetsu.
Kensei << Experienced captain + Vaizard
Rose << "
Urahara << Experienced captain, easily handles Yammy, etc. We all know he's strong. : )
Love << Experienced captain, Vaizard.
Yoruichi << Fast, owns most opponents with her bare hands, experienced captain, shunko.
Tessai << Ability to use high level kidou with seemingly little effort, kidou master so << strong.
Gin << Aizen's right hand man and i'm a Gin fanboy, sue me.
Ulquiorra << Took Ichigo's strongest attack with no real damage, then easily killed Ichigo.
Isshin?
Ryuuken?
^^Speculation

B class
Ichigo << CBA to list all his stuff
Nnoitra << Strongest Hierro, #5 espada, multiple attacks
Grimmjow << As fast as VBI, lots of big moves.
Soi Fon << As fast as Yoruichi, can use shunko (vaguely) and has a hacked shikai
Tousen << Cut through Grimm's hierro easily (this is quite debatable) and has a hacked bankai
Komamura << Gut feeling :S
Zaraki << Endurance, massive damaging attacks. Can use "KENDOOO!" for an extra power boost.

Hachi
Lisa
Mashiro
^^ Those three were vice captains (or equivalents) 100 years ago. It makes sense that they would be easily as strong as current new captains, especially given that they have vaizard now.

C class
Hitsugaya << Fails. Only noticeable thing is senen hyourinmaru
Byakuya << Useless bankai, worthless against anyone with a good defense until he enters Hakutaiken, and struggled against the number 7 espada.
Mayuri << more of a scientist
Zomari << Good speed tricks but nowhere near the level of Ichigo (and there's many above him).
Hiyori << Vaizard but weak

[s0Lstar18]

^ yeah, i got some holes sorry... but as for vizards as i said... better refrain untill know for sure... i didnt said they werent powerfull, its just that we dont know how much...

yeah that's true but still I liked ur list:biggrinki

[Rainl]

My list again with reasons
Please note that the person on the bottom of S class is not actually the bottom, just the way i typed it all up, lol.

S class;
Yamma << Took on two high level captains with just his shikai and walked out unharmed. Captain commander of the G13 has to mean something too.
Unohana << Implied to be strong.
Aizen << Stopped Bichigo with one finger, one shotted Hitsugaya, Komamura.
Stark << Top 3 espada, seemingly able to teleport.
Barrigan << Top 3 espada
Halibel << "
Sanrei glove released Ishida << Destroyed a captain's bankai with one shot.

A class;
Shunsui<< Said by Yamma to be one of the two most capable captains.
Ukitake << "
Shinji << Handled Grimm easily, broke through Kyoka Suigetsu.
Kensei << Experienced captain + Vaizard
Rose << "
Urahara << Experienced captain, easily handles Yammy, etc. We all know he's strong. : )
Love << Experienced captain, Vaizard.
Yoruichi << Fast, owns most opponents with her bare hands, experienced captain, shunko.
Tessai << Ability to use high level kidou with seemingly little effort, kidou master so << strong.
Gin << Aizen's right hand man and i'm a Gin fanboy, sue me.
Ulquiorra << Took Ichigo's strongest attack with no real damage, then easily killed Ichigo.
Isshin?
Ryuuken?
^^Speculation

B class
Ichigo << CBA to list all his stuff
Nnoitra << Strongest Hierro, #5 espada, multiple attacks
Grimmjow << As fast as VBI, lots of big moves.
Soi Fon << As fast as Yoruichi, can use shunko (vaguely) and has a hacked shikai
Tousen << Cut through Grimm's hierro easily (this is quite debatable) and has a hacked bankai
Komamura << Gut feeling :S
Zaraki << Endurance, massive damaging attacks. Can use "KENDOOO!" for an extra power boost.

Hachi
Lisa
Mashiro
^^ Those three were vice captains (or equivalents) 100 years ago. It makes sense that they would be easily as strong as current new captains, especially given that they have vaizard now.

C class
Hitsugaya << Fails. Only noticeable thing is senen hyourinmaru
Byakuya << Useless bankai, worthless against anyone with a good defense until he enters Hakutaiken, and struggled against the number 7 espada.
Mayuri << more of a scientist
Zomari << Good speed tricks but nowhere near the level of Ichigo (and there's many above him).
Hiyori << Vaizard but weak


Oh man...Byakuya definately isn't getting his due here. Although he isn't one of my favorite characters, Ill admit he is a strong captain. His bankai isn't useless at all, in fact its one of the more complex and stronger bankai's we've seen. Its just unfortunate, he had to go up against the "Main Protagonists", who posses superior speed.

Keep in mind their are not too many people who can display speed like ichigo's with the exception, Maybe "Yoruichi,Yama,Shunsui,Soi Fon,".

If you can put Zaraki that high, a 1 dismensional fighter at that, you can definately put Byakuya, a more thought out fighter who fights carefully and thinks before he acts, in his class who could definately deal with Zaraki, Kendo or not. IMO

Also this is just my opinion, Sanrei released glove would be maybe around Ichigo's level, B-class. Yes, sure he destroyed a captain's bankai in 1 shot, but that captain was Mayuri, as you stated above, Mayuri isn't exactly your hand to hand, sword to sword, Combatant.

I am sure we all know just because there at the same position there are serious power gaps between this captain and the next. He wins off of little gadgets and preparation if anything.

I don't really see Ishida accomplishing the same thing against, a Mid-tier let alone any one of the Senior Captains.

[xxBluebird]

I basically agree with Trollseffmon, except that...
- I would put Uki and Shunsui in S-class too, so below Yama and Unohana but still pretty strong since they're supposed to be one of the strongest/first ever captains. Then again, Yama didn't even mention Aizen [but I don't think anyone actually knew about his shikai's ability]
- Ishida being S-class... yes, I agree, but -only- when he tore off the glove and got that power boost xD Which I think was said. But eeh.
- I wish Gin was S-class. xD But maybe not?
- Didn't think Rose would be that strong? But I'm not sure because I can't remember what he was like hollowfied...
- Byakuya rulz. His bankai is actually really great, because it's like clay and he can snip people up into tiny bits or just cut them in half. And he's good at kidou too, I think? He's maybe not A-class or anything, but I'd put him in a higher class than C...
- I think Hitsugaya can still get stronger, but I'm not sure because he's already got bankai. But who knows? He's still got the best ice-based bankai around, and he's a lot younger than all the other captains, to boot. I'd still put him below Gin though, because not only was Gin a "prodigy" too, but he's got more experience than Hitsugaya [maybe. Because he looks older than Ice-cube-boy.]
- I'd always thought of Komamura[?] as a pretty weak captain. His bankai's not that great.
- Neither is Tousen, but I think that's just because it was Kenpachi he fought.

So yup. =]

[Sin]

@Troll: seriously you put the top 3 espada as s class and leave and put the top 4Vizards and Gotei capts as A class??? you can't be for real? and Urahara too???

@Jay: Kaien's ability... am not impressed... he would easily get own by Kira should thier weapons meet in battle.

[xxBluebird]

@Chi - lol with Kaien vs. Kira xD Kaien is doomed. Sorry, but lugging around a huge trident even just 2x the normal weight must be pretty bad ><

But even so, I guess Kaien can't be absolutely crap, since he made it into a VC position.

[Sin]

But even so, I guess Kaien can't be absolutely crap, since he made it into a VC position.

:HahaLOL, with that I'll retort with Kira made it to a VC position too, and look at how pathetic he can be at times :whatevah:.

Honestly i think the Vizards are Sclass and so are the top 4 espada.

[newbsrule]

i agree the vizards and the espada should all be sclass. and i mean top4 espada by espada

[Vicent]

I would like Kubo to give some credit to some overrated Vice Captains... come on, Rukia is not even a ranked seat and beat the crap out of Adjuchas... i guess he intend to do so when Winter War starts....

[Sin]

Well Rukia would probably be a VC but Byakuya doesn't want her to be one. I can see her taking out Rangiku easily *has an idea for battle thread*

Also, Rukia because of prolonged exposure to Ichigo's massive uncontrollable reiatsu will probably get bankai real soon. Because am sure that will influence him greatly.

[Stalk]

I sorta agree with the OP except Unohana and Shinji being up there. They should be A class IMO

[mrchaosm19]

Posting my own list is too tempting to resist, so here goes:

S Class
Yamamato
Aizen
Stark (Provided that hez the 1st Espada)
Kensei
Shinji
Urahara (Even if he doesnt have hollow powers)
A Class
Barragan
Halibel
Ulquiorra
Nnoitra
Grimmjow
Ichigo
Byakuya
Kenpachi
Shinsui
Ukitake
Unohana
Gin
Yoroichi
Ishin
Ryuuken
Wonderwice (perhaps)
Love
Tsukabishi (Urahara's Assistant)
Rose
Neliel

B Class
Zommari
Szayel
Soi Fon
Tousen
Komamura
Toshirou
Mashiro
Lisa
Hiyori
Hachigen

C Class
Aroneiro
Yammy
Renji
Sado
Ikkaku
Kaien
Uryuu
Dordonii

D Class
Rukia
Kira
Matsumoto
Hinamori
Nanao
Nemu
Shuhei
Iba
Kotetsu
Yachiru
Sasakibe

[Stalk]

While I appreciate the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there's simply no way Urahara is up there as we've seen Ulquiorra stop his shikai barehanded like it was nothing. Since everyone is giving a go at it, I might as well. Top 10 strongest list IMO:

1.Aizen (vizard)
2.Yamamoto
3.Espada 1
4.Espada 2
5.Strongest Vizard
6.Shunsui
7.Ukitake
8.2nd strongest Vizard
9.Espada 3
10.Unohana

[Undying]

While I appreciate the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there's simply no way Urahara is up there as we've seen Ulquiorra stop his shikai barehanded like it was nothing. Since everyone is giving a go at it, I might as well. Top 10 strongest list IMO:

1.Aizen (vizard)
2.Yamamoto
3.Espada 1
4.Espada 2
5.Strongest Vizard
6.Shunsui
7.Ukitake
8.2nd strongest Vizard
9.Espada 3
10.Unohana
You have to remember that Urahara was aiming his blast at Yammy, not Ulqiorra. Since he was firing his attack at a weakling there's no reason to believe it was full powered. Also, even if it was, there still remains the issue of Urahara having bankai and a ten-time increase in power, so Ulqiorra deflecting on attack from him is a moot point and doesn't mean Ulqiorra is necessarily much more powerful than he is.

[mrchaosm19]

While I appreciate the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there's simply no way Urahara is up there as we've seen Ulquiorra stop his shikai barehanded like it was nothing.

Well arrancar do have iron skin, think about it. Ulquiorra was almost able to successfully block Ichigo's Krorei Getsuga Tenshou w/ hollow mask, which is pretty much ichigo's strongest attack, and could possibly stay that way. Don't forget that urahara has loads of fighting experience, and was a former captain, as well as the good chance that he might have hollow powers, seeing as he created the hougyoku. Also, using only his shikai, Urahara was able to totally deflect Yammy's cero, whereas nobody else has been able to totally counteract a cero without suffering damage. (except neliel's double cero)

[Nowitzki]

For the record, the Hougyoku was sealed up before it could be used.

[KholdStare]

Although we now know that the hougyoku was not used on Urahara, we do know that it was used to aid the Vaizards. Something tells me that even though Urahara doesn't have hollow powers he certainly has some "powers" because of his inventions. If he can move an entire town into another dimension, one can assume that as a shinigami captain he has developed techonology to aid him in battle.

[captainmawaluigi]

I love it when people try to seem smart and take things out of context. IF you ignore what happened in that chapter, what you said makes sense, however, if you follow the story, that makes no sense.

Urahara was directing it toward Yammi, he wasnt even trying to kill him, he was simply going to send an attack at yammi that was as power as the cero he just fired off....thats all he was doing.

So all num 4 did, was deflect a cero from Yammi.....no one is surprised or shocked...you can put that to rest now.

Anyway, how can you just throw out the top 10 most powerful people....
While I appreciate the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there's simply no way Urahara is up there as we've seen Ulquiorra stop his shikai barehanded like it was nothing. Since everyone is giving a go at it, I might as well. Top 10 strongest list IMO:

1.Aizen (vizard)
2.Yamamoto
3.Espada 1
4.Espada 2
5.Strongest Vizard
6.Shunsui
7.Ukitake
8.2nd strongest Vizard
9.Espada 3
10.Unohana

now whats even sillier is the last part of your post. You make a top 10 listing......without knowing anyones powers in that top 10!!! You didnt even include Gin or Tousen...and you didnt even use anything story given, you just listed 10 names. I could see you putting in the top 3 espada cuz Aizen said they would handle the captains present....if u did that...then why would u put any of the captins higher than the 3rd espada?

Your post was just a guess....a random guess on pure speculation

Most people use a hypothesis or try to deduce things from the information given....you should try it more often

[Rainl]

1st Place: Yama/Aizen.

Anything below imo, are merely toss-ups considering there are way to many powerful characters to even get an accurate judgement.

[SenpaiRetsu]

1st Place: Yama/Aizen.

Anything below imo, are merely toss-ups considering there are way to many powerful characters to even get an accurate judgement.


i wrote exactly the same thing that Yama and Aizen are in a league of their own while the rest are tossups. No one can touch Yama or Aizen other than themselves, no homo.

[Stalk]

I love it when people try to seem smart and take things out of context.

So all num 4 did, was deflect a cero from Yammi.....no one is surprised or shocked...you can put that to rest now.

If anyone is trying to seem smart I'd have thought it's you. Yes, I took it wrong about Urahara's shikai but that was already enlightened by other posters there's no need for you to repeat their words and bash me for my post to try and seem smart.

Your post was just a guess....a random guess on pure speculation

Most people use a hypothesis or try to deduce things from the information given....you should try it more often

Yeah my post was pure speculation, just like the entire thread. You should try reading it or at least the opening post :whatevah:. And I did use hypothesis and deduction whilst coming up with that list. I think that's pretty obvious to tell.

[thirsty]

i think as the series goes on in the coming weeks the list will look like this

SS Class:
Aizen
Ichigo (final fight)

S-Class:
Yama
Unohana
Stark
Halibel
Barragan
Ukitake
Shunsui


A-Class:
Urahara
Ulquiorra
Shinji
Love
Gin
Isshin
Yoruichi
Ichigo
Ryuken
Rose
Kensei

B-Class:
Byakuya
Kenpachi Zaraki
Mashiro
lisa
Hyori
Hachi
Wonderwice(for now..hehe)
Grimmjow
Nnoitra
Tosen
Soifon
Kaien
Neliel
Mayuri
Komamura(sp?)
Hitsugaya

C-Class:
Renji
Szayel
Chad
Uryu
Zommari
Ikkaku
Iba
Dordonii
Aaroniero
Yammy

D-Class:
Nanao
Rukia
Kira
Hinamori
Nemu

[xxSenbozakura]

yama and aizen are in a class of their own and no one in bleach can compare to them.
I think people are underrating byakuya, i think he should be in the A class or upper B at least, cmon guys he is only captain we have seen with three different forms of his bankai, in my opinion apart from the big four and aizen he can kick the ass of every captain in ss

[DreadCall]

@ xxSenbozakura

What do you mean underrating? From what i've seen, most people on these forums put him in the upper parts of mid tier, as equal or slightly better than kenpachi (which is my opinion too btw), with only the "big four" above them from the current captains.

@thirsty

Even if Aizen is more powerful than Yama i don't think he is in an entirely different class. It might be an easy win for him due to manipulation of circumstances, but as far power classification goes Yama's up there with Aizen in the very top class.

Also Chad, even though he has potential (full hollow form etc..) , with his current power he should be down in D class IMO.

[KholdStare]

I don't think Byakuya is underrated at all. He is still a young captain with much to learn. I'd place him below Yama/Aizen and below Ukitake and Shunsui. This would make him a mid-tier captain along with Kenpachi, Komamura, and Soi Fon. I don't think Byakuya could destroy any of these captains. Perhaps he can defeat one or two, but it would be a very tough battle.

[ZarakiBankai1]

Why is everybody that we dont no how strong they r in class A
They dont seem that strong 2 me
And Am i missing something about THe 4th captian cause I dont see what makes her that strong
Also I think Kenpachi nd Byakuya should be there
Kenpachi beat #5 (Without any shikai nd Bankai of Course)
And Byakuya beating #7 Without any problem

[girl]

i think as the series goes on in the coming weeks the list will look like this

SS Class:
Aizen
Ichigo (final fight)

S-Class:
Yama
Unohana
Stark
Halibel
Barragan
Ukitake
Shunsui


A-Class:
Urahara
Ulquiorra
Shinji
Love
Gin
Isshin
Yoruichi
Ichigo
Ryuken
Rose
Kensei

B-Class:
Byakuya
Kenpachi Zaraki
Mashiro
lisa
Hyori
Hachi
Wonderwice(for now..hehe)
Grimmjow
Nnoitra
Tosen
Soifon
Kaien
Neliel
Mayuri
Komamura(sp?)
Hitsugaya

C-Class:
Renji
Szayel
Chad
Uryu
Zommari
Ikkaku
Iba
Dordonii
Aaroniero
Yammy

D-Class:
Nanao
Rukia
Kira
Hinamori
Nemu

You're joking. So wrong
1. Kira should not be in D class at all. He is so underrated it makes me mad. He should be in C-class along with Ikkaku and Renji.
2. Shinji should definitely be in S-class with the espada. Vaizards and espada should be in the same level for deff.
3. What is Ichigo doing in SS class with Aizen? wtf? He may be the main character, but he is no where close to Aizen's level. He should be low S or high A and if anyone should be in SS, it should be Yamamoto or maybe the Spirit King.
4. HITSUGAYA IN B CLASS? no. high C.
and also, matsumoto should be in C also

[Lord-Zero]

I second that. Ichigo...well...he's the main character but...it'd suck...a lot if it was him who faced Aizen and win with some cheesy power up and a even cheesier quote. Aizen needs to face an opponent of higher caliber like Yama, the Spirit King, heck, maybe even Shinji (which would make sense) or someone from Squad Zero. Also, Yumichika should be in that list, and pretty high because of his hax shikai ability.

[darkhole]

Super S-Class:

*Aizen

S-Class:

Yamamoto
**Top 3 Espada
***Possible 2 or 3 of the Captain Class Vizards(Note: only with hollow powers)

A-Class:
Unohana
Shunsui
Ukitake
Ulqiorra
Urahara
Yoruichi
****Soifon

Other Classes:

*****I honestly don't care

* Compared to some of the other feats shown in bleach so far, the guy has a pretty big resume. It's not just about raw reiatsu, although he arguably has the most reiatsu in bleach(Sorry, haven't seen Yamamoto drop someone of Grimmjow's Caliber or higher with raw reiatsu. Yamamoto's powerful shikai is just that, his shikai, 1 of his abilites, so until I see some proof of reiatsu...), but Aizen easily has the most hax abilities in Bleach. Right now an entire battle strategy is being dictated based on Aizen's abilities. If Yamamoto was so sure of himself or if he was so sure that Shunsui and Ukitake's supposedly uber combo could beat Aizen, then why not trap the top 3 espada and kill Aizen. Destroy the head of the snake and the body dies with it. Kill Aizen and the rest r as good as dead. But no, according to Komomaru they can't even think about fighting Aizen yet and Yamamoto obviously agrees with him because he chose to trap Aizen, Gin, and Tousen and attempt to kill the top 3 espada. So that right there tells me that Aizen is just in a league of his own.

** Aizen's words of "we won't have to lift a finger" r written over the faces of the top 3 espada. Yamamoto most likely is still stronger than them but at the very least it would seem that the top 3 espada r in the same class as Yamamoto.

*** Not only do I expect some sweet bankai's from the captain class vizards but after 100 years of training I expect to see some sweet hollow techniques. With vizard powers I would put them in the same class as the Top 3 espada and Yamamoto.

**** Byakuya couldn't keep up with Yoruichi while she was carrying Ichigo, yet Soifon not only kept up with Yoruichi in battle but was able to counter some of Yoruichi's moves. So at the very least Soifon definitely is faster than Byakuya. Add the fact that she has 1 pretty ridiculous shikai and just wow...who knows what her bankai is. I honestly think that Soifon is the most underrated character in bleach, and I can't wait to see this chick's bankai.

***** I just flat out don't give a damn about anyone lower than A-Class right now. That simple.

O yeah, until shown otherwise, my opinion is that Ulquiorra is at the top of that A-Class list. The guy just flat out ****'d on vizard ichigo without drawing his zanpakutou. And I dont' care what someone else said(forgot who it was) but the guy tossed aside Urahara's shikai like it was nothing. I mean, it's really not that difficult to accept even if u're a Urahara fan. If Ulquiorra can withstand Vizard Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou, then of course some captain's SHIKAI is gonna seem like trash to him. So it would seem that Urahara would have to go bankai to have a chance at penetrating Ulquiorra's hierro.

[Rainl]

Super S-Class:

*Aizen

S-Class:

Yamamoto
**Top 3 Espada
***Possible 2 or 3 of the Captain Class Vizards(Note: only with hollow powers)

A-Class:
Unohana
Shunsui
Ukitake
Ulqiorra
Urahara
Yoruichi
****Soifon

Other Classes:

*****I honestly don't care

Well I don't know if Aizen is in a totally different class than Yamamoto..but. Its your opinion, so I will not bash you for it.

* Compared to some of the other feats shown in bleach so far, the guy has a pretty big resume. It's not just about raw reiatsu, although he arguably has the most reiatsu in bleach(Sorry, haven't seen Yamamoto drop someone of Grimmjow's Caliber or higher with raw reiatsu.

We also haven't seen Aizen take on 2 high-tier opponents and come out without a scratch, or even a sweat drop. Also Yama did much more than simply put down Nanao. He basically KO'd her to the extent in which she was down, period. Aizen merely put GJ on his knees, in which moments later he was able to regain footing.

I've also yet to see Aizen to strike fear in the hearts of top-tier opponents even before a battle. Or yet to see him simply swing his sword in its unreleased state, that can send 2 High-tiers flying backwards without even making contact. I mean..you have to clear the area just because the guy is only releasing, let alone attacking. Thats insane..

Considering the fact he can not only put down but "take out" a VC entirely, with a mere glance. I don't find it unlikely he could simply put an captain class opponent on his knees, however not making them faint.

Yamamoto's powerful shikai is just that, his shikai, 1 of his abilites, so until I see some proof of reiatsu...), but Aizen easily has the most hax abilities in Bleach.

And what is that demonstrating. Yamamoto in only shikai, has demonstrated arguably the most power in bleach, other than the fact his zan boast the greatest attacking power over all other Zanpaktou in existence.

Right now an entire battle strategy is being dictated based on Aizen's abilities. If Yamamoto was so sure of himself or if he was so sure that Shunsui and Ukitake's supposedly uber combo could beat Aizen, then why not trap the top 3 espada and kill Aizen.

Why? A simple answer. Aizen is the main antagonists. Ichigo is the main protagonist. Its shounen law(however lame it may be, its factual). It is the main protagonists responsibility to take out the main antagonists. It isn't necessarily right to label him superior because he didn't go against Aizen himself.

We could easily use the same logic as to where, why Aizen didn't save himself an absurd amount of time by taking out Yamamoto, or better yet take out the more powerful characters. As seeing everytime one shows up he suddenly doesn't have the time anymore. Or waits till the more powerful opponent is weakened.

If he himself was so confident in his abilities, he should just as well defeat the more worthy opponents first.


Destroy the head of the snake and the body dies with it. Kill Aizen and the rest r as good as dead. But no, according to Komomaru they can't even think about fighting Aizen yet and Yamamoto obviously agrees with him because he chose to trap Aizen, Gin, and Tousen and attempt to kill the top 3 espada.

Lol? As stated above. You know it, and I know this. Its Shounen law, that no side character, but instead, the main character will take out the main villain. We could easily re-use this against Aizen once again. Aizen can simply take out Yama, while claiming the King's key for his own purpose, instead of simply going through such unnecessary troubles as of now. Or atleast take out an decent oponent.


So that right there tells me that Aizen is just in a league of his own.

Not really. Since Aizen flees from every powerful character, (who keep in mind) pales in comparison to Yamamoto. This dignifies Yamamoto is light-years ahead of Aizen. It doesn't work that way.

** Aizen's words of "we won't have to lift a finger" r written over the faces of the top 3 espada. Yamamoto most likely is still stronger than them but at the very least it would seem that the top 3 espada r in the same class as Yamamoto.

Or Aizen simply has an alterior plan in mind. Which he always does indeed have in the end. He has never relied on combat alone, to maintain a step ahead of everyone else.

[Sin]

S-Class:
Yama
Aizen
Urahara Kisuke
Unohana Retsu
Shinji - Vizard (capt)
Love - Vizard (capt)
Ichigo - Vizard (capt level)
Rose - Vizard (capt)
Kensei - Vizard (capt)
Stark - Espada (VL)
Barragan - Espada (VL)
Halibel - Espada (VL)
Ulquiorra - Espada (VL)
Ukitake/Shunsui

A-Class:

Mashiro (Lt) - Vizard
Hyori (Lt) - Vizard
Risa (Lt) - Vizard
Hachigen (Lt) - Vizard
Isshin
Yuruichi
Gin
Byakuya
Kenpachi Zaraki

B-Class:

Grimmjow
Soi Fon
Renji
Nnoitra
Tosen
Soifon
Neliel
Hitsugaya

C-Class:

Kaien
Szayel
Chad
Uryu
Zommari
Ikkaku
Iba
Dordonii
Yammy

D-Class:

Rukia
Rangiku
Nanao
Kira
Hinamori
Nemu
Aaroniero

Few updates but the list remains strong :p

[darkhole]

Well I don't know if Aizen is in a totally different class than Yamamoto..but. Its your opinion, so I will not bash you for it.



We also haven't seen Aizen take on 2 high-tier opponents and come out without a scratch, or even a sweat drop. Also Yama did much more than simply put down Nanao. He basically KO'd her to the extent in which she was down, period. Aizen merely put GJ on his knees, in which moments later he was able to regain footing.

I've also yet to see Aizen to strike fear in the hearts of top-tier opponents even before a battle. Or yet to see him simply swing his sword in its unreleased state, that can send 2 High-tiers flying backwards without even making contact.

Considering the fact he can not only put down but "take out" a VC entirely, with a mere glance. I don't find it unlikely he could simply put an captain class opponent on his knees, however not making them faint.

That's a nice list of Yamamoto's feats throughout bleach so far, so what's your point? Aizen's hasn't done this, Aizen has done that. I could easily create a list of the things Aizen has done and say Yamamoto hasn't done them. lmao at saying that because Nanao didn't immediately get back up and Grimmjow did that it's less of an accomplishment. The amount of reiatsu that went into dropping Grimmjow would've instantly killed Nanao. "Because Yamamoto took out nanao with a mere glance he can take out the equivalent of a midtier captain in bankai by raising his reiatsu" That's so easy, I could just say that because Aizen 1 shotted midtier captains with his sword that at the very least he could force the likes of Shunsui and Ukitake back by swinging it. Listen, I don't won't to argue over who has the better feats, that's why i didn't create some long list of Aizen's. It's pointless because we'll most likely never know who can do what the other person did. I was simply saying that Aizen has some nice feats in his resume. It's not like that guy hasn't shown us anything.



And what is that demonstrating. Yamamoto in only shikai, has demonstrated arguably the most power in bleach, other than the fact his zan boast the greatest attacking power over all other Zanpaktou in existence.

Some people think that because Yamamoto's shikai boast the most attack power that he automatically has the most reiatsu. There's no doubt that he has a ton of reiatsu but him having the most is not a given, I was simply saying that Aizen has shown the most raw reiatsu thus far, not a shikai ability, but raw reiatsu, fact.



Why? A simple answer. Aizen is the main antagonists. Ichigo is the main protagonist. Its shounen law(however lame it may be, its factual). It is the main protagonists responsibility to take out the main antagonists. It isn't necessarily right to label him superior because he didn't go against Aizen himself.

We could easily use the same logic as to where, why Aizen didn't save himself an absurd amount of time by taking out Yamamoto, or better yet take out the more powerful characters. As seeing everytime one shows up he suddenly doesn't have the time anymore. Or waits till the more powerful opponent is weakened.

If he himself was so confident in his abilities, he should just as well defeat the more worthy opponents first.

Well if the answer's so simple and Aizen's the main antagonist then by default isn't he the strongest guy in bleach right now until Ichigo goes Super Saiyan 27? Bleach has some of the most flawed logic. Check my post in the "HM Redo" thread. **** just doesn't make sense. I even said that some of the stuff Aizen does doesn't make sense, but I have to accept it. That being said, Komomaru specifically said that Aizen's abilities r too Unique and everyone's gonna have to have they full concentration to beat him, then as if he's agreeing with Komomaru, Yamamoto goes on to separate Aizen from the battle for the time being.

It's pretty much said by 1 of the captains in bleach then accepted by the commander that Aizen's abilites r just so hax that they can't afford to fight him right now. Hence my little analogy. I don't know why Aizen does what he does, fights who he fights. I just figured he like mentally ****ing with people, or just liked outsmarting them. Just because u're stronger than someone doesn't mean u always have to beat them by brute force. Aizen is just a prime example of that. Obviously it's not a matter of him not being able to handle strong opponents. The captains right now r acknowledging how leet his is.




Lol? As stated above. You know it, and I know this. Its Shounen law, that no side character, but instead, the main character will take out the main villain. We could easily re-use this against Aizen once again. Aizen can simply take out Yama, while claiming the King's key for his own purpose, instead of simply going through such unnecessary troubles as of now. Or atleast take out an decent oponent.
Yeah it's also shounen law that the main villain can't just go around killing all of the good guys. He has to let his subordinates fight them first and get beaten.



Not really. Since Aizen flees from every powerful character, (who keep in mind) pales in comparison to Yamamoto. This dignifies Yamamoto is light-years ahead of Aizen. It doesn't work that way.
Once again, Aizen just likes mind raping people. U don't have to use brute force all of the time. Your point is pretty mute considering a few chapters ago the captains were acknowledging how hax Aizen's abilites were and that they couldn't fight him yet. If Aizen truly couldn't handle these "powerful characters" then Yamamoto and the others wouldn't have found it necessary to separate him from battle, if he were so weak and since he's the mastermind they would've taken him out first. Again, it's because the guy's L337. We just finally have an antagonist who uses his brain and doesn't find it necessary to fight and kill everyone in order to accomplish a goal. "No Disrespect to the Great Kira" /Bow

Kira died, went to Soul Society, and changed his name to Aizen!


Or Aizen simply has an alterior plan in mind. Which he always does indeed have in the end. He has never relied on combat alone, to maintain a step ahead of everyone else.

Your point? What does his alternate plan have to do with the Top 3 espada being in this supposed S-Class. That still doesn't mean that 2 fighters like Shunsui and Ukitake combined can't beat 1 of them. That Yamamoto can't beat 1 of them 1v1, or that 3 captains can't beat 1 of them. I just said that in my opinion they're in this "S-Class". LMAO

[Rainl]

That's a nice list of Yamamoto's feats throughout bleach so far, so what's your point? Aizen's hasn't done this, Aizen has done that. I could easily create a list of the things Aizen has done and say Yamamoto hasn't done them. lmao at saying that because Nanao didn't immediately get back up and Grimmjow did that it's less of an accomplishment.

Point me out to where I underminded Aizen's power, or said it was less impressive simply because he did not faint? Wow..you do this with almost every debate your in. Do not put words in my mouth to further your argument.

The amount of reiatsu that went into dropping Grimmjow would've instantly killed Nanao. "Because Yamamoto took out nanao with a mere glance he can take out the equivalent of a midtier captain in bankai by raising his reiatsu"

Maybe. Maybe not. The amount of reiatsu Yamamoto put into K'Oing Nanao, would've brought GJ to his knees. Its circular.

That's so easy, I could just say that because Aizen 1 shotted midtier captains with his sword that at the very least he could force the likes of Shunsui and Ukitake back by swinging it.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't think Aizen poses a great offensive power that could suggest that in comparison to Yamamoto. Maybe Aizen can't take 2 High-tiers at once, with no effort. Maybe Yamamoto can't put down GJ with pure reiatsu. Maybe they both can. Who knows. Who gives a damn, thats a circular topic, so off that.

Listen, I don't won't to argue over who has the better feats, that's why i didn't create some long list of Aizen's. It's pointless because we'll most likely never know who can do what the other person did. I was simply saying that Aizen has some nice feats in his resume. It's not like that guy hasn't shown us anything.

I simply did the same. This is not an argument.




Some people think that because Yamamoto's shikai boast the most attack power that he automatically has the most reiatsu. There's no doubt that he has a ton of reiatsu but him having the most is not a given,

Of course it isn't a given. Who stated such?

I was simply saying that Aizen has shown the most raw reiatsu thus far, not a shikai ability, but raw reiatsu, fact.

Key word being "shown". For all we know he could've used more effort, than Yama. Maybe not. Who knows. So we'll leave that one alone.




Well if the answer's so simple and Aizen's the main antagonist then by default isn't he the strongest guy in bleach right now until Ichigo goes Super Saiyan 27?

At this point in time, we have no clue as of if he's the strongest or not. ****, there have been manga's where there plenty of side characters more powerful than the Main antagonists, until the main antagonist himself, acquires a power-up. Which we do not know if Aizen has gained such. So we'll leave this alone also.


It's pretty much said by 1 of the captains in bleach then accepted by the commander that Aizen's abilites r just so hax that they can't afford to fight him right now. Hence my little analogy. I don't know why Aizen does what he does, fights who he fights. I just figured he like mentally ****ing with people, or just liked outsmarting them.

But hell he could drop the weaker opponents. If he could demolish the others so easily, whats a couple of extra seconds to him? Nothing, right?

Just because u're stronger than someone doesn't mean u always have to beat them by brute force. Aizen is just a prime example of that. Obviously it's not a matter of him not being able to handle strong opponents. The captains right now r acknowledging how leet his is.

You seem to be in a mind frame where people are considering Aizen as a weak character. Everyone who has read the manga knows, he doesn't rely on pure power to win , but merely on his shikai ability. Its not because of its power, but because of its effects. Which is why I would not consider his "power" at Yama's level, but the ability itself at his level.



Once again, Aizen just likes mind raping people. U don't have to use brute force all of the time. Your point is pretty mute considering a few chapters ago the captains were acknowledging how hax Aizen's abilites were and that they couldn't fight him yet.

Hell if he's as epic as claimed to be. It shouldn't take him but an extra couple of seconds to deal with them. Won't effect his plans in any way.

If Aizen truly couldn't handle these "powerful characters" then Yamamoto and the others wouldn't have found it necessary to separate him from battle, if he were so weak and since he's the mastermind they would've taken him out first. Again, it's because the guy's L337.

Once again. Who is saying Aizen is weak? No one. Lul, you keep repeating this from no where, bro. It shouldn't be use to strengthen your debate, seeing no one is even saying that.



/Bleh..end of discussion, this'll get no where.

[darkhole]

Point me out to where I underminded Aizen's power, or said it was less impressive simply because he did not faint? Wow..you do this with almost every debate your in. Do not put words in my mouth to further your argument.

He basically KO'd her to the extent in which she was down, period. Aizen merely put GJ on his knees, in which moments later he was able to regain footing.


MERELY: no more than; and nothing else; only
IMPLY: to indicate indirectly or by allusion; hint; suggest; intimate

U said that Aizen merely put Grimmjow on his knees after glorifying Yamamoto making Nanao faint. You were implying that Aizen's was less of an achievement than Yamamoto's when Yamamoto just dropped some lowly VC.

There, it's pointed out.






Maybe. Maybe not. The amount of reiatsu Yamamoto put into K'Oing Nanao, would've brought GJ to his knees. Its circular. Circular my ass, now u're just in denial. LMAO, the amount of reiatsu it takes to drop a vc is equivalent to the amount it takes to drop Grimmjow (a Midtier captain in bankai.) What kind of skewed logic is that? If the same amount of reiatsu needed to drop grimmjow was placed over Nanao, she'd die, period.



Maybe, maybe not. I don't think Aizen poses a great offensive power that could suggest that in comparison to Yamamoto. Maybe Aizen can't take 2 High-tiers at once, with no effort. Maybe Yamamoto can't put down GJ with pure reiatsu. Maybe they both can. Who knows. Who gives a damn, thats a circular topic, so off that.

That was my point. No one Knows, lmao.



I simply did the same. This is not an argument.

ok =)





Of course it isn't a given. Who stated such?

I've seen people imply this in the past on different forums, different threads, etc, so I put it in here just in case. I do that a lot.


Key word being "shown". For all we know he could've used more effort, than Yama. Maybe not. Who knows. So we'll leave that one alone.

That's not the point, the point is Aizen has shown more raw reiatsu thus far. That simple. And Yeah, I would think he was putting in more effort. Grimmjow's no VC!





At this point in time, we have no clue as of if he's the strongest or not. ****, there have been manga's where there plenty of side characters more powerful than the Main antagonists, until the main antagonist himself, acquires a power-up. Which we do not know if Aizen has gained such. So we'll leave this alone also.Hey, u started the: This is a Shounen Yada Yada Yada arguement. There's also been many manga's where the main antagonist is a beast till the protagonist gets his power up.




But hell he could drop the weaker opponents. If he could demolish the others so easily, whats a couple of extra seconds to him? Nothing, right?

Time is money, and Aizen's all about that money baby! Nah, lol, i'm just ****ing with ya, hell if I know! Aizen's a twisted character!


You seem to be in a mind frame where people are considering Aizen as a weak character. Everyone who has read the manga knows, he doesn't rely on pure power to win , but merely on his shikai ability. Its not because of its power, but because of its effects. Which is why I would not consider his "power" at Yama's level, but the ability itself at his level.

I said and I Quote:

Right now an entire battle strategy is being dictated based on Aizen's abilities.

It's pretty much said by 1 of the captains in bleach then accepted by the commander that Aizen's abilites r just so hax that they can't afford to fight him right now.


etc. I've been stating this entire time that Aizen's abilites r what put him above the rest. So where have u been? When you u have to base your entire strategy off of 1 guy's abilities... Whenever u make a decision u have to take into account 1 guy's abilites... When 1 guy's abilities can completely affect the outcome... Then that guy is obviously in a league of his own! Hence I put him in his own league. There was some reasoning behind my decision.



Hell if he's as epic as claimed to be. It shouldn't take him but an extra couple of seconds to deal with them. Won't effect his plans in any way.

That's just it. Insects won't affect his plans, hence there's no point in exerting even a fraction of energy to kill them! Nah, I'm just ****ing with ya! Hell if I know, Aizen's 1 twisted character!


Once again. Who is saying Aizen is weak? No one. Lul, you keep repeating this from no where, bro. It shouldn't be use to strengthen your debate, seeing no one is even saying that.

Not really. Since Aizen flees from every powerful character, (who keep in mind) pales in comparison to Yamamoto. This dignifies Yamamoto is light-years ahead of Aizen. It doesn't work that way.

IMPLY: to indicate indirectly or by allusion; hint; suggest; intimate

Come on now, don't play stupid, u know what u're doing. U weren't saying that he was weak in the sense of some seated officer or vc type of weak *cough*hits*cough* Nah let me stop, but u were implying that he's weak in the sense that he runs from some of the more hyped or more renown characters in bleach. So what I was saying was, if Aizen supposedly flees because he's scared then why don't these so called powerful characters step up to the plate and take his ass on right now instead of trying to keep him out of battle for fear of him entering personally? And right here I used fear for lack of a better word, but I don't mean that they're afraid of him, maybe cautious or something. But that's just it, he flees because his job is done, he's achieved his goal, not because he's scared. Then he goes home and plays his 360.


/Bleh..end of discussion, this'll get no where.
Meh, it was a decent and fun discussion, adios

[Night Prowler]

S-Class:
Yama
Aizen
Urahara Kisuke
Unohana Retsu
Shinji - Vizard (capt)
Love - Vizard (capt)
Rose - Vizard (capt)
Kensei - Vizard (capt)
Stark - Espada (VL)
Barragan - Espada (VL)
Halibel - Espada (VL)
Ulquiorra - Espada (VL)
Ukitake/Shunsui

A-Class:

Mashiro (Lt) - Vizard
Hyori (Lt) - Vizard
Risa (Lt) - Vizard
Hachigen (Lt) - Vizard
Isshin
Yoruichi
Gin (Would move upto S if he has Hollow powers)
Ichigo - Vizard (capt level)
Byakuya
Kenpachi Zaraki
Grimmjaw

B-Class:

Neliel
Nnoitra
Tousen
Soifon
Hitsugaya
Yammy

C-Class:
Kaien
Szayel
Nemu
Uryu
Zommari
Ikkaku
Renji
Kira
Dordonii
Rangiku

D-Class:

Chad
Rukia
Nanao
Iba
Hinamori
Aaroniero

Few updates but the list remains strong :p

Had to change it Bruv. You put Renji and Ichigo way to high up whilst you put Matsumoto and Kira too low down.

[Sin]

well i think if renji learned kidou he'd be B class cause he has the reiatsu... he jst needs to think more

[girl]

you think grimmjaw is stronger than nnoitora? i think theyre at least the same level. i mean, first of all, nnoitora's number is higher, and even though he got beat at the end, he put up a hell of a fight v kenpachi. i dont think grimmjaw would have done better v. zaraki than nnoitora did and nnoitora fought three different people one after another

also, one last time

STOP UNDERESTIMATING KIRA.

[Sin]

lol not underestimating him... i just don't like him, he lost to Rangiku. And he's such a wimp through out the whole series. So now he cuts a hollow in the face and am supposed to be that impressed by him that it makes up for all the whinnying and crying he's done over the entire series... I thinks not sorry

but i took what you said about Grimmjow and Nnoitra and i fixed it. Keep in mind i listed the names in no particular order within the class brackets :p

@Night Prowler: I fixes it

[girl]

kira doesnt whine and cry! ive liked him since his first apperance. he's just a NICE GUY.
he's been subtly strong the whole series and matsumoto was lucky that her ability perfectly countered kira's (not hating on her though)

that episode in the bount arc when he saves ichigo from daruku and takes her on, yeah, awesome.

i need to go join the kira FC. is there one?

[natsume1]

ok your list is pretty good but i agree with some that shinji and unohana should be moved from S class to A class and yammy and aaroniero should not be on the list at all

[Sin]

I have shinji and Unohana there because of word of mouth on Ukitake for Unohana and because Shinji toyed with Grimmjow without even releasing Shikia i put him right there with the top 4 espada.

[Freya]

I think that the majority of the captains (including Gin, Zaraki etc...) should be in A class
Except Shunsui and Ukitake should be S class.

Other than that I think it's correct.

A lot of this is speculation though, due to the fact that a lot of the people you've mentioned have not shown the most powerful thing that they can do.

[Manchester Black]

I would rank Tousen and Gin higher than they are. They should both be above the majority (if not all) the Espada. The Espada all repect Tousen, and they're all scared/creeped out by Gin. Gin and Tousen are Aizen's right hand men for a reason.

[Lord-Zero]

This will get nowhere...fast.
Anyway, Grimmjow >>>>>>>>>>>>>Nanao. He could kill her with his hands tied and blindfolded. Also, Kira lost due to KT's good ol' ability counter crap. This is Kira's chance to shine. As for Aizen, we'll know how powerful he really is in a few months. It's too soon to compare him to Yama, yet. (And there's the possiblility that Aizen/Ichimaru/Tousen have Vaizard powers, but...we won't know until they actually fight)

[7thdeadlysin]

the power and strength classifications should have two sections....the b4 ichigo and after ichigo.

b4 ichigo came disrupting shit everybody in soul society was progressing a a slow rate. after ichigo everyone felt lame seeing how a human was that strong and started training twice as hard (renji as my main example)

so some ppl who were b class are now a class and some who were c class are now b

[KonBankai]

Based on the fact that most of them are decades/hundreds years old, it is not logical for them to be capable of becoming much more powerful in only few months.

Either Soul Society was the most boring place since then, with nothing ever happening and therefore no reason to train... Or KT found himself in front of a dilemma and had to do something illogical (ie: Follow the DBZ approach).

But yeah, a lot "changed" after the SS arc.
For eg: The Zaraki of before was probably killed in the SS arc and Mayuri used his DNA to create a new Zaraki that could defeat Espada N°5 :D

[captainmawaluigi]

S-Class:
Yama
Aizen
Urahara Kisuke
Unohana Retsu
Shinji - Vizard (capt)
Love - Vizard (capt)
Ichigo - Vizard (capt level)
Rose - Vizard (capt)
Kensei - Vizard (capt)
Stark - Espada (VL)
Barragan - Espada (VL)
Halibel - Espada (VL)
Ulquiorra - Espada (VL)
Ukitake/Shunsui

A-Class:

Mashiro (Lt) - Vizard
Hyori (Lt) - Vizard
Risa (Lt) - Vizard
Hachigen (Lt) - Vizard
Isshin
Yuruichi
Gin
Byakuya
Kenpachi Zaraki

B-Class:

Grimmjow
Soi Fon
Renji
Nnoitra
Tosen
Soifon
Neliel
Hitsugaya

C-Class:

Kaien
Szayel
Chad
Uryu
Zommari
Ikkaku
Iba
Dordonii
Yammy

D-Class:

Rukia
Rangiku
Nanao
Kira
Hinamori
Nemu
Aaroniero

Few updates but the list remains strong :p

Ichigo should stay in the S level, espada 4 said he was stronger than himself, so he is above 4, but maybe below 3.

How can you have Ishida below Chad? He has always taken on more powerful opponents than Chad(he had a draw with a captain, and forced an Espada to disable his powers and was still able to fight), has more ways to fight than Chad(arrows, needle sword, shunpo, shield)

Why did you put Tousen so low? He is STRONGER than Grimmjow, he even forced Grimm to come back without Grim noticing he showed up. Also, are you forgetting that Gin and Tousen are commanding officers in HM, that means they have to be above all the Vasto Lorde automatically. If you are basing their power off some 'fight' they were holding back because showing their true power would be detrimental to their plan. did you forget Tousen basically one shotted everyone in that pendulum arc?

Rukia is far from bottom tier, do her emotions get in the way a lot? Yes. however, she should be a seated officer, probably 3rd or Vice, BUT, Byakuya will not let her get a seat because he doesnt want her in danger, she belongs higher than that. Thats also probably the reason why Ukitake has two 3rd seats.

Are you sure about putting Isshin in the A level class? If Ichigo is S level, then his father, whom I am sure can fight with his sword and control his own huge power, must be above or at least on the same level as Ichigo. He is also good friends with Ukitatke, and Ukitake doesnt really hang out with weaklings.

[KholdStare]

The thing about Isshin is that he has lost a lot of his power. When he was talking to Urahara he commented on this. If you're talking about Isshin's power before he left Soul Society, that's a different story. I think it's very difficult to gauge his strength.

[Sin]

Ichigo should stay in the S level, espada 4 said he was stronger than himself, so he is above 4, but maybe below 3.
It's not in an order, the names are just listed as i remmbered them.
How can you have Ishida below Chad? He has always taken on more powerful opponents than Chad(he had a draw with a captain, and forced an Espada to disable his powers and was still able to fight), has more ways to fight than Chad(arrows, needle sword, shunpo, shield)
Again not in any particular order
Why did you put Tousen so low? He is STRONGER than Grimmjow, he even forced Grimm to come back without Grim noticing he showed up. Also, are you forgetting that Gin and Tousen are commanding officers in HM, that means they have to be above all the Vasto Lorde automatically. If you are basing their power off some 'fight' they were holding back because showing their true power would be detrimental to their plan. did you forget Tousen basically one shotted everyone in that pendulum arc?
Prejudice, i don't like him for more then one reason i suppose his ability would rank in somewhere around A or B class but not S. But since this is my list Toussen = Fail
Rukia is far from bottom tier, do her emotions get in the way a lot? Yes. however, she should be a seated officer, probably 3rd or Vice, BUT, Byakuya will not let her get a seat because he doesnt want her in danger, she belongs higher than that. Thats also probably the reason why Ukitake has two 3rd seats.
Doesn't matter, against anyone else on that list she would die again and again and again.
Are you sure about putting Isshin in the A level class? If Ichigo is S level, then his father, whom I am sure can fight with his sword and control his own huge power, must be above or at least on the same level as Ichigo. He is also good friends with Ukitatke, and Ukitake doesnt really hang out with weaklings.
Yeah because Ichigo has Vizard powers, am not sure he does. Plus he admits to not being as strong as he used to be so He's just A for now. I can always change it. And he is an acquaintance of Urahara not Ukitake. Ukitake is the sickly and i used that term losely white haired guy who hangs around Shunsui. :)

[girl]

Prejudice, i don't like him for more then one reason i suppose his ability would rank in somewhere around A or B class but not S. But since this is my list Toussen = Fail



QFT. i have no problems with your list other than the placement of kira

[Sin]

QFT. i have no problems with your list other than the placement of kira

watch the anime's fillers current episode to see why, i know i know its not cannon but still annoying me. We'll see what happens

[KonBankai]

The thing about Isshin is that he has lost a lot of his power. When he was talking to Urahara he commented on this. If you're talking about Isshin's power before he left Soul Society, that's a different story. I think it's very difficult to gauge his strength.
I can bet you anything that he will have a 3-days training session at Urahara's place and will get all his power back :)

Or maybe he will fight someone like Aizen and get defeated with the pretext that his powers aren't fully back :)