New Vaizard powers thread

[SenpaiRetsu]

Before Ichigo we had never seen much of vaizard forms. Only the brief appereance of some masks.

With the revelation of these two others going into their hollow forms, it seems that the hollowization is nothing like a generic power boost. for instance Mahiro's legs are long and she's thin. I'd imagine she can jump a great distance with those, or move really fast and be agile.

Kensei looks more like a tank, he's probably quite physically strong in that form and maybe has high defense

With that being said when the vaizards put on their mask does that mean maybe they have additional abilities similar to a shikai or bankai? because before it just seemed like they had standard hollow powers like cero and things like that, really generic.

But this is leading to me to believe that maybe each vaizard has special abilities due to their hollow forms nature. What do you all think?

[Klavier Gavin]

I think the same as you, but Shinji hasn't shown anything much despite putting his mask on. The only thing he did was shoot a freaking huge cero, which only show an increase in power.

Hiyori, another one who has used her mask has done nothing that has shown even an increase in power. Ogichi owned her pretty easily.

I agree with you though about Kensei's vice-captain but Kensei looks more like a heavy damage dealing machine to me. If Kensei's hollow form slows him down, that would suck. Speed always win in bleach.

[silverwolf801]

actually I disagree about the speed thing because zaraki is slow as heck yet he can still deal out a lot of damage which would let him win. But anyway back on point. I don't think they have any additional powers except for the whole cero thing.

[Chi]

actually I disagree about the speed thing because zaraki is slow as heck yet he can still deal out a lot of damage which would let him win. But anyway back on point. I don't think they have any additional powers except for the whole cero thing.
I agreed with you untill you said Zaraki was slow as heck... we've seen no hint or true indication that Zaraki is slow. Whenever he wanted to he could catch anyone he wanted.

Think of that memories of nobody movie (i know its not cannon) but dude was shunpo'ng with the best of them!! He even said I don't like chasing after weaklings, but given the right opponent i think he would show us how fast he can really go.

@Sempi: The only thing with that is if they have special hollow like powers unique to them or however that works, then what would stop their hollow side from being able to evolve?

[licon2415]

Hey have ya'll noticed how Shinji was able to see through Aizen's shikai? Back when Aizen was a lieutenant, he was eavesdropping about one of the captains being promoted to the royal squad. Shinji saw through the illusion and caught him spying. Maybe Shinji will be the one to defeat Aizen. Maybe Shinji is the one behind everything. Also, shinji's power didn't increase that much when fighting Grimmjow because he didn't even go to shikai, he just unsheathed his sword, and imagine him being able to toy around with an espada without releasing his sword, Shinji should have some major power...

[Jooliyan]

yeah Kensei is a huge damage dealer. and Mashiro is cricket like egro mass core speed. but her attacks may not be that devistating

Judging by the mask of Shinji he looks like a mummy-esq Hollow his mask is very pharo like

[Character]

Remember, In the last Manga, Shunsui said Shinji was strong. And if Shunsui is saying that you know he has some serious strength because he didnt say that about any of the other captains going.

[MezzoDragon]

It could be cool if hollowization is more than just a mask. I wonder what the others will look like. I am most curious about Love's mask. He was going to reveal it when Hollow-Ichigo revealed he could use cero, but stopped when Ichigo regained control. What a shame.

[Edgey]

You people have to remember that these are their Hollow forms and not their Vaizard Mask forms, look at Ichigo when he was going through the Vaizard transformation phase, he turned into a Hollow form with a distictive shape just like what Kensei and Mashiro are going through now.

What I think is going on now is that inside they are currently fighting their Hollow form just like Ichigo was doing and as soon as they gain control they will revert back and from then on just have the mask to give them an increase in power, no special abilities. However, I'm thinking that there might be a stage after the mask has been put on much like a release that the Espada do when they go back to their Hollow forms or someting similar, then they might have distnctive powers to their individual.

[MezzoDragon]

Having unique masks are okay, but having the entire thing is far better. Perhaps the vaizards will reveal that in future chapters when they fight the top 3 Espada along with the ex-captains.

[Hueso Loco]

It would be awesome if they had the unique abilities of their hollows, but as far as we know the only thing they can do is fire cero. Of course we haven't seen a Vaizard go all out. But we haven't seen any arrancar using shinigami techniques like Kidou either. So I don't know.

[_Ink]

beside the fact you learn cero as an added shinigami ability, which is pretty useless if you perfected Byakurai or any forms of binding spell that focuses on firing abilities.

The rest is all added capacities as a hollow I guess.
I am guessing that Kubo would downplay all his character abilities.

[Hueso Loco]

beside the fact you learn cero as an added shinigami ability, which is pretty useless if you perfected Byakurai or any forms of binding spell that focuses on firing abilities.

The rest is all added capacities as a hollow I guess.
I am guessing that Kubo would downplay all his character abilities.

So are you saying that because they have Cero, they don't need to know kidou? Or that Kubo is saving stuff for later?

[The sunlight]

I think a full power cero is much more powerful than blast spell # 4
The second power thing with the mask is nice...but if they had it, it would be like too much upgrades... unreleased,shikai, ban kai, mask, mask stage 2...
While arrancar only have Unrealesed, realeased

[iBleach47]

Ya but you also have to think Grimmjows unreleased was like ichigo's unreleased, shikai, bankai, and then Grimm's released was equal to Ichigo's mask. if you think back to what Halibe and Ulr, say about Ichigo when he has the mask on Hal "It seems to me not like a human is fighting, but rather 2 Espada going against eachother", and Ulr "This isnt a human riatsu, but even more like mine" so if you think about it mask is more like released than anything else. (I think i went off onto another thing there, I was trying to say that the power lvl is about equal with the released, and Mask.)

[Yamamoto]

i just remembered, Hachigen mentions at one time how he developed his barrier powers which are similar to Orihime's after he became a Vaizard.

Would that be classified as a new vizard power? He mentions that since he made it after being a vizard, no shinigami should be able to break through the barrier.

[Hikari]

Maybe this is where they have to defeat they're hollows within.

Strangely, this didn't even cross my mind! You may be right, what with Kensei and Mashiro currently defeating their inner hollows....

[Edgey]

i just remembered, Hachigen mentions at one time how he developed his barrier powers which are similar to Orihime's after he became a Vaizard.

Would that be classified as a new vizard power? He mentions that since he made it after being a vizard, no shinigami should be able to break through the barrier.

I think he developed them because of the gain in power he recieved from becoming a Vaizard, not with them becoming a new power.

[SenpaiRetsu]

I think he developed them because of the gain in power he recieved from becoming a Vaizard, not with them becoming a new power.

I have to disagree. Hachi made if very clear that it was a difference in kind not a difference in power. no shinigami could slip or breakthrough simply for the fact that they are shinigami, not because they are not powerful enough. this could possibly qualify

[MezzoDragon]

The vaizards need to make another appearance in the manga. I want to see their shikai and bankais. Also, having a complete hollow form instead of just a mask will be awesome. Ichigo may need it to force Aizen into using his bankai.

[Bruga333]

On the topic of Vaizards releases, what if they have a vaizard release?

think about it, it could kind of be a more powerful version of their shikai?

[Vicent]

^We dont know that much about the vizards... only that they can summon their hollow mask, and use both shinigami and hollow abilities.

But if that happens, i wont like it... i preffer them to have only shikai and bankai (for the one who were captains) ...

[MezzoDragon]

I agree. Instead of having a vaizard version of thier shikai and bankai will be lame. Having the ability to use their full hollow form, however, may be cool. Speaking of hollow forms, Ichigo's hollow form does not resemble his inner hollow. Then again, his inner hollow is just the reverse of Ichigo; in terms of desire and coolness. This may be a wild (and off-topic) guess, but perhaps every inner hollow is like that.

[Que Sera Sera]

If they use their full hollow form, That'll exactly be like Arrancars. D:

Vizard = The opposite of Arrancars and vice versa.

I just think their mask give them more power and speed. And a power boost when they use ablities such as Kidou and bankai/shikai. Having a cero is enough for the Hollow traits, Any more and they'll just be the same as Arrancars. =/

[MezzoDragon]

True. Sorry. It is just after seeing Mashiro and Kensei as hollows makes me hoping that is the next level of hollowication.

[xxBluebird]

I think someone's already said this, but that's probably like when Ichigo was battling his inner hollow too and got turned into this odd-looking dinosaur thingamabob with a lizard tail.

Maybe, if the Vaizards wanted to, they could let their hollow take over for a while and then go into that form [looking like a hollow] instead of just having a mask+power boost? Except they're still kind of in control and they're the one telling the hollow what to do, but the hollow has control of the body? I don't know if that makes sense, but...

[captainmawaluigi]

When Ichigo trained with the Vizard, he turned into a Lizard type being, so he all Vizards prolly learn a new attack or power up, but, until the Hollow is 'crushed' they are unable to use it willingly. Grimmjow had his piercing attack, maybe whenever someone turns into a full Hollow, they gain full hollow abilities.

The real question is, now that Aizen has revealed himself and Gin as 'traitors who are so far in control of this massacre, it makes you wonder one thing. How does Aizen ever get out of this situation? Does he alter the reality of all the captains and such who have fought so they dont think it ever happened, or are they to scared to press the issue on him, or does he play it off as the hero and come rescue everyone?

[Sarkel]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet, but is it possible that the Vaizard have both Shikais and bankais as well as resurrections(?)?.
because all of the known vaizard at the moment were shinigami at the time of their hollowfication, and were of captain of vice captain level. with the introduction of hollow powers, do they now also have arrancar type resurrections?
just a suggestion. do you guys have any ideas?

[MezzoDragon]

Since Hachi and the girls were lieutenants, they may not have bankai. As for resurrection, the closest thing to it is making their mask appear. If a vaizard, and I mean Ichigo, could use resurrection, he could actually stand a chance again Aizen. Then again, he will have to find away against his shikai.

[Sarkel]

so then does the appearance of the mask count as a substitute version of a ressurection, by giving a power or speed boost to the vaizard, as well as a possible special ability?

[sweeter]

so then does the appearance of the mask count as a substitute version of a ressurection, by giving a power or speed boost to the vaizard, as well as a possible special ability?
Yes, the Vaizard's Hollow mask is the rough equivalent of an Arrancar's ressurecion.

Power and speed boosts have been shown when a Vaizard uses them, and a possible special ability for Ichigo's case could be instant regeneration. Shinji has already used a Cero, iirc.

(:

[Sarkel]

Yes, the Vaizard's Hollow mask is the rough equivalent of an Arrancar's ressurecion.

Power and speed boosts have been shown when a Vaizard uses them, and a possible special ability for Ichigo's case could be instant regeneration. Shinji has already used a Cero, iirc.

(:

so I suppose it's just a matter of revealing said special abilties.
although we have seen the abilities of some of the vaizard already

[KholdStare]

What is an arrancar's ressurecion? I tried to find it, but I couldn't. I feel I may have forgotten it.

[Esca]

The release of an Arrancar's Zanpakutou, I believe. I vaguely recall one of the Arrancar who invaded Karakura stating it.

[KholdStare]

Ah, thanks. I don't think Vaizards would have that power. That would make them way too strong but it would provide a credible way for Ichigo to defeat Aizen.

[Esca]

I believe she was referring to the release's respective boosts, not the idea that Vaizards have the "Resurrection Form" as well.

[captainmawaluigi]

Not to mention, rapid regeneration and other attacks.

Another Hollow, the user, your avatar, when ichigo was in that form, he sent out some big mouth that shot out of his arm and when it was destroyed, it healed quickly(his body) maybe the Vasto Lorde have physical type attacks like that, where their body can seek you out on its own for an attack to eat your spritual power, or just you in general.

[IRLaughingMan]

I doubt Vizards have a "Hollow Special Ability" Arrancar only have their ressurecion and their initial arrancar powers. Vizard have their Shikai/Bankai and then the initial hollow powers. (i.e. Cero, maybe rap. regen.) The Arrancar's ressurecion is basically Bankai or Shikai for Vizard/shinigami, having an additional one of a kind hollow power is one too many random power ups and will lead us down the path of "Super Sayin Ichigo 5"!

[7thdeadlysin]

i think that since the vaizards had shikai and some bankai already that they should just gain the cero and regen of hollows. and also reinforement of what they already had

the arrancar only got to use swords and use shunpo they didnt really get anything much from shinigami except reinforcing what they already had. i wonder though if they cut someone with their swords if it would cleanse them to pure hollow souls?