Yammi vs Hitsugaya

[Rainl]

The battle of absolute fail. So who takes it? erhmm.I think I might just give it to Yammi..I'll wait till later to go into further detail.

[Guy]

Absolute fail indeed. I'd say Yami takes this. Hitsugaya already went up to Yami before. It didn't look like he had won.... in addition, Yami has never even released, while Hitsugaya has released in front of Yami's face. Hitsugaya's ultimate ice move takes time to charge up, something that Yami won't allow to happen. Yup, Hitsu fails this one.

[Tai Dai]

I can't really say....

Hitsugaya has only fought Yammi in Shikai, which there is a big diff between bankai.

for example- when ichigo fought a non-espada unlike yammi, he couldn't defeat him either who was unreleased and only fighting with kicks, blocking ichigo's sword with his knees and arms.

When Ichigo went into bankai and that ex-espada was already released, and ichigo was easily fighting back, but his distraction was the dude trying to get nell and not him. When the ex-espada lost, he said even himself that he would've lost to Ichigo in just bankai, not him having to go vaizard.

When Hitsugaya fought yammi, it was only in his shikai, which yammi the espada just took the hits like how that exespada did with ichigo.

I'd go with hitsugaya, on that kubo wouldn't let him die xD haha
but really i can't decide ?_?

[Undying]

Clear victory to Yammy.

Unreleased Yammy is already superior to shikai Hitsugaya (ice completely ineffective and Yammy wasn't even fighting with his sword). Bankai Hitsugaya is, as far as we know, inferior to shikai Hitsugaya due to lack of range and flexibility, so released Yammy should still hold the advantage.

I doubt Yammy will stop attacking long enough for Hitsugaya to charge his Millennium Prison.

[Zanga]

No way he would, Yammy has shown us that he's not afraid to be a spam-whore with his Bala.

Well Hitsugaya said himself that he need bankai just to keep up with Yammy, so if Yammy is ever forced to release, it's over.

[ninjabot]

Just for the sake of argument...why the heck didn't Toushiro's ice work on Yammi? I mean, Hitsugaya is stronger than Rukia, agreed? They both have ice zanpakutou...but Toushi's is canonically the strongest ice zanpakutou in Seireitei.

Rukia froze the 6th Espada solid with only her shikai. Her weaker than Hitsugaya's shikai, shikai. Yet, Hitsugaya can't freeze the 10th Espada with his attack? How does that makes sense?

At all?

[Sin]

Just for the sake of argument...why the heck didn't Toushiro's ice work on Yammi? I mean, Hitsugaya is stronger than Rukia, agreed? They both have ice zanpakutou...but Toushi's is canonically the strongest ice zanpakutou in Seireitei.

Rukia froze the 6th Espada solid with only her shikai. Her weaker than Hitsugaya's shikai, shikai. Yet, Hitsugaya can't freeze the 10th Espada with his attack? How does that makes sense?

At all?
16th arrancar which isn't a measure of his strength only his birth order.

Plus didn't Hitsugaya have his limiter still on at that time? even if he didn't an espada is leagues away from being compared to a regular arrancar.

[setasujiro]

I think Hitsugaya haven't even shown the true power of his bankai yet as it still develop constantly because of his age. But I'll give the victory to Hitsugaya if ever he will be the enemy of Yammy during the upcoming Karakura War.

[ninjabot]

I meant when Rukia froze Grimmjow, but nevermind, that was in the anime. I've been trying to find it in the manga, but I can't so...it's probably just something in the anime that shouldn't be taken in account.

EDIT: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/235/17/

Nevermind, here it is. So the question still stands: How the hell can this make sense?!?!

[Sin]

yup, its most probable. Alot of things in the anime weren't canon i had to go back and re read a lot of it alone.

[Tensa Tensho]

wasnt hitsugaya on his way to KILLING a RELEASED 6TH ESPADA luppi untill that neggacion saved him thats enough proof there(isnt it?)

[Undying]

@Ninjabot: that's because it actually did, on both accounts. Hitsugaya did freeze Yammy for a while and Rukia did freeze Grimmjow. The difference is in who had more arms, and the surprise factor.

Yammy was ready for Hitsugaya's attack and had both arms. Grimmjow wasn't ready for Rukia's attack, has just got a Black Getsuga Tenshou from Ichigo's vaizard mode, and had only one arm. That's why he was frozen for longer. If the situations were reversed and it was Hitsugaya who frozen Grimmjow, he would have had more trouble breaking through. Probably.

[moonflow]

Just for the sake of argument...why the heck didn't Toushiro's ice work on Yammi? I mean, Hitsugaya is stronger than Rukia, agreed? They both have ice zanpakutou...but Toushi's is canonically the strongest ice zanpakutou in Seireitei.

Rukia froze the 6th Espada solid with only her shikai. Her weaker than Hitsugaya's shikai, shikai. Yet, Hitsugaya can't freeze the 10th Espada with his attack? How does that makes sense?

At all?

id say its maybe the same as when ichigo couldnt even cut kenpachi.
hitsugaya was just just overwelmed by yamis spirit force so his ice couldnt touch him.
now not saying rukia has more riatsu than hitsugaya but if i remember right ichigo was in trouble at this point, making it plausable that rukias resolve is what made it possible for her riatsu to match grimjows enough to freeze him.

[Zanga]

wasnt hitsugaya on his way to KILLING a RELEASED 6TH ESPADA luppi untill that neggacion saved him thats enough proof there(isnt it?)

With the amount of time to prepare his attack, AND with the element of suprise, he still failed to kill Luppi. In a one on one, Hitsugaya can never pull it off.\

id say its maybe the same as when ichigo couldnt even cut kenpachi.
hitsugaya was just just overwelmed by yamis spirit force so his ice couldnt touch him.
now not saying rukia has more riatsu than hitsugaya but if i remember right ichigo was in trouble at this point, making it plausable that rukias resolve is what made it possible for her riatsu to match grimjows enough to freeze him.

No, it's like how Undying said, Grimmjaw was extremely handicapped and was caught off guard. Simple as that.

[captainmawaluigi]

Yup Grimm was offguard you saw how he retaliated, he turned around and stuck one to Rukias chest.

Hits froze the the 6th espada when Grimmjow was gone, and he almost killed him as well if they did not retreat...I do not see how you can compare those two.

Yammi though, did he die? How did he die...what happened to him after his arm was healed again? And Hits was so unfocused and illprepared to fight, he could not freeze Yammi...freezing is more of an after effect, than the main effect ya kno?

[ninjabot]

I guess that kinda makes since...maybe...a little...

...sorta.

Seriously though? Grimmjow's injuries from Vizard Ichigo was enough to make him susceptible to Rukia's shikai? So weak that his endurance and strength was lowered to about the same as the 10th Espada's? 4 whole ranks weaker than he was originally? And yet Shinji still couldn't beat Grimmjow while vizardized? So what happens if Shinji fights Yammi? Nevermind, I'm reading too much into it...

I know the A>B>C but not A>C rule...but it still feels wierd. Prolly cause I don't usually think of Hitsu's ice as the actual real-world type of ice, but rather reiatsu that automatically freezes it's target solid. Grimmjow said it was just his outer layer of skin that froze, so that blows my theory outta the water.

Whatever.

[Gingermadman]

Not seen anything special from Yammi.

He's pretty slow and pretty damn stupid. Even i have to give this one to Hitsugaya , Of course we don't know what Yammi's released form is but from what we know i can't see a way of Hitsugaya losing. Just because you dislike him doesn't make him that weak. Yammi would get frozen and be completely clueless as to what to do. Hell that guy thought he was going to take Urahara + Yoruichi :eek13: and considering that Hitsugaya has been said to be a genius he would really stomp all over Yammi, unless he has a hax'd release.

[Undying]

I guess that kinda makes since...maybe...a little...

...sorta.

Seriously though? Grimmjow's injuries from Vizard Ichigo was enough to make him susceptible to Rukia's shikai? So weak that his endurance and strength was lowered to about the same as the 10th Espada's? 4 whole ranks weaker than he was originally? And yet Shinji still couldn't beat Grimmjow while vizardized? So what happens if Shinji fights Yammi? Nevermind, I'm reading too much into it...

I know the A>B>C but not A>C rule...but it still feels wierd. Prolly cause I don't usually think of Hitsu's ice as the actual real-world type of ice, but rather reiatsu that automatically freezes it's target solid. Grimmjow said it was just his outer layer of skin that froze, so that blows my theory outta the water.

Whatever.
No. One-armed unreleased Grimmjow with added injuries from Ichigo's Vaizard form after a battle with said Vaizard form is susceptible to a surprise attack from behind which creates a very thick layer of ice and broke out of it after a minute at most. With just one arm, mind you.

Yammy would have been the same in the same situation.

Not seen anything special from Yammi.

He's pretty slow and pretty damn stupid. Even i have to give this one to Hitsugaya , Of course we don't know what Yammi's released form is but from what we know i can't see a way of Hitsugaya losing. Just because you dislike him doesn't make him that weak. Yammi would get frozen and be completely clueless as to what to do. Hell that guy thought he was going to take Urahara + Yoruichi and considering that Hitsugaya has been said to be a genius he would really stomp all over Yammi, unless he has a hax'd release.
Yammy was frozen and broke the ice without any effort.

Hitsugaya loses this. He admitted to needing bankai just to keep up with unreleased Yammy.

[SenpaiRetsu]

I believe Undying made the general theory that Renji and Hitsugaya are around the same power level. i can't see Renji beating Yammi nor Hitsugaya. especially if Yammi releases. Renji and Hitsugaya had difficulty with Fraccion!!! enough said. Yammi releases and takes this easily.

[Chihiro]

Hitsugaya should take the win because it's usually how it goes.
Yammy has advantages yeha, but but Hitsugaya is like, wayyyy better in , like anime character-wise so am votin Hitsugaya cuz they (ithink) will end up making him win.


Meh didn't make sense >_>

[Zanga]

The Battle section isn't about fandom winnings. The victories in these forums are decided by the things we've seen.

Yammy would win. Hitsugaya basically admitted he'd lose.

[smach]

I believe Undying made the general theory that Renji and Hitsugaya are around the same power level. i can't see Renji beating Yammi nor Hitsugaya. especially if Yammi releases. Renji and Hitsugaya had difficulty with Fraccion!!! enough said. Yammi releases and takes this easily.Renji admitted he won by surprise. Hitsugaya would've definitely won if he didn't have that stupid limit governing his reiatsu.

[captainmawaluigi]

Tourshiro was going to beat Luppi who is number 6.....Im sure with his limit lifted, he would of been able to take Yammi down....he just needed the time.

Btw...did Yammi die yet...who killed him?

[Esca]

Luppi who is number 6

Luppi did not have the power of the 6th Espada. He was just put in his place to spite Grimmjow, which worked successfully. If he were as powerful, Grimmjow wouldn't have killed him the way he did.

[captainmawaluigi]

Thats not true. Grimm was the 6th strongest. That means his power is between that black guy, and Nnorita.

Lets list it as this. black guy: 70, Luppi 78, Grimm 84(then 61 or so after losing his arm) , Nnorita 90.....

After losing his arm, he is no longer in the top 10. However, still strong enough to beat Ichigo. Luppi, who was new, his power could have been in a range between the 7th and 5th. We dont know how close that range is, but thats all it means.

Grimmjow can be the 6th espada, and closer to Ulriquria in power, than the 7th espada is to Grimmjow.

And with such knowledge, its safe to assume that baring some sort of fire type release by Yammi, if Hitsugaya can defeat the 6th espada at the time with his limit lifted, then he could beat Yammi.

[Esca]

I find it hilarious how you're trying to debate that Luppi was as powerful as Grimmjow with both arms and his release state. What? He is? No? Luppi is not powerful in the least.. at least not 6th Espada powerful.

I'm willing to bet Espada 7-10 could have beaten Luppi, who has shown less than impressive abilities. Like I previously stated, he was replaced as the 6th to spite Grimmjow - and if you haven't noticed, Aizen couldn't care less about the rankings of the Espada. Why should he?

Either way, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how far-fetched it may be.

[smach]

This is what happens when you spend months away from the Bleach world and then try to make a good argument when you return. It's no different from trying to teach or learn Calc II when you've only gone up to Algebra or Trig.

There's a pretty big gap between 7th and 6th so if I was to place Luppi somewhere in there I'd put him real close to Zomari. Going by your scale, he'd be more of a 75 at most. And one-armed Grimm would still be in the 80's, otherwise he wouldn't even need to release against Vizard Ichigo once the arm returns.


EDIT: BTW Esca that sig is rlly nice where did u get it from? The looks so natural it's almost like a painted portrait.

[ninjabot]

I agree with Esca about Luppi being a weakling. Well, compared to Grimmjow I mean. And that avatar pic is drawn by Hyung Tae Kim. It's from a korean rpg called Magna Carta.

Anyway, I guess there's really not much else to say here...

[captainmawaluigi]

Im not saying that was the levels of power they were at, I was just saying, Luppi could just be at a much lower level than Grimmjow...but still higher than Zomari.

Also, Im sure that was not the extent of Luppis powers, as he was bored and toying with those guys for the most part.

[smach]

Luppi's release is eight tentacles that he can make spikes with. I doubt there's much more he could possibly do with them.

[captainmawaluigi]

Grimmjow turned into a cat.....and so what?

Luppi has the ability to fight multiple opponents at once, Grimm doesnt. Luppi can use arms for defense and attack while staying out of the fight himself, Grimm cant.

It was a matchup in Hitsugayas favor, cuz the more mass you have, the more he can freeze. Luppi never really fought anyone on equal footing his whole short life.

Power in espada isnt on how you think they are, its how human they are, and Luppi was very human

[Esca]

Grimmjow turned into a cat.....and so what?

Luppi has the ability to fight multiple opponents at once, Grimm doesnt. Luppi can use arms for defense and attack while staying out of the fight himself, Grimm cant.

It was a matchup in Hitsugayas favor, cuz the more mass you have, the more he can freeze. Luppi never really fought anyone on equal footing his whole short life.

Grimmjow can't fight multiple enemies? One person can take on many others with two fists. He's still much stronger and Luppi is not. Luppi pretty much got one-shotted by the person he supposedly replaced in power.

He is not powerful - at least not powerful enough to be in the Espada or he would have been before Grimmjow lost his arm.

Power in espada isnt on how you think they are, its how human they are, and Luppi was very human

That's pure speculation and wrong. Luppi was a low level Adjucha/High Gillian that was used for canon fodder.

Yammi wins this match due to having a released state.

/closed