Do you think Aizen hasn't really achieve bankai yet?

[setasujiro]

Do you think Aizen, our man, hasn't even achieved bankai yet?

I mean with his zanpaktou, Kyouka Suigetsu's ability to manipulate the enemy through its absolute hypnosis, like "make flies like dragons and make a swamp into a field of flowers". I have no doubt that he already achieved the limit of a shinigami to master their swordsmanship, kidou, reiatsu and shunpo.

But do you really think it is possible that he cheated his way up to the captain level by just releasing a fake bankai just for fun?:biggrinki

[Greggle]

No, that would add exactly nothing to the story, and even contradict it. Do you really think he went out of his way to steal the hougyokou and create hybrids to increase his power since he was too lazy to get bankai?

Stealing Hougyokous is a pain in the ass.

[Mr.Blunt]

I'm pretty sure he has a Bankai, the mystery of what his Bankai may be in comparison to that godly Shikai, and how in the world it can be overcome by the main character is what keeps the readers glued, among other things of course.

Hypothetically, if he really doesn't have a Bankai, and if that's the reason for his demise, then that would be pretty damn lame.

[Undying]

Aizen has reached his near limits in all his shinigami abilities. That would indicate that he has also achieved said limits in zanpakto release.

He's got a bankai all right. For one thing, it's a lot more obvious a power-upgrade than Kyouka Suigetsu, it's a great ace-in-the-hole, which for Aizen comes like breathing (remember he is always one step ahead of everyone? Ya? Well his bankai would allow him to get another step), for another it gives him a greater variety of abilities which would be obvious if he wants to utilize his powers to their fullest (which he does), and lastly come on, every captain has bankai and even Aizen would not be able to lie about that. The enemy might see a bankai but they won't feel any additional reiatsu.

It's obvious he has one... plus, in the final epic battle he will have to use it to provide some problems for Ichigo...

[SenpaiRetsu]

it's possible he doesn't have bankai. he owns captains in shikai so that means he should one shot anybody in bankai. He already fooled all of soul society in shikai alone. if he had a bankai he could just use it to usurp Yama.

so that leads me to only 2 conclusions:

1. either his shikai is not as godly as we think in actual combat and even is bankai wouldn't be enough to topple Yama or Unohana :)

2. For some reason he fails and can't get bankai for some reason so he is using the Hougyokou to cheat and gain hollow powers because he has no bankai.

So he's either "not that strong" or "he fails at bankai" one or the other because if his shikai were as uber as it appears than a 10x power boost would be overkill. obviously something isn't as it seems

[Wadei]

I think he does have Bankai. While your arguments make sense, I think its Kenpachi's special trait that would kind of defeat the purpose of his character if another Captain didn't have Bankai. For that reason alone, I don't think Kubo will go the "fake Bankai" route.

[Rainl]

Well he did say..he has pretty much reached all 4 limits, that would also imply that he's achieved bankai. I don't doubt it this is Aizen we're talking about here.

I mean..the sky is the limit for is this guy, and maybe that isn't even his limit..wtf. :whatevah:. Although he does have an extremely potent shikai, that still doesn't void the fact that he may just have a bankai even more "uber".

Take Yamamoto for instance. His shikai alone is equivalent to a bankai, and he has a bankai, more than likely. So I wouldn't count out Aizen either. Its just that some people may just be to hax.

[Tyekanik]

I would believe he had bankai as a lieutenant and didn't tell anyone at the time due to him having other plans, than he still doesn't have one. There would have to be some unheard of reason why his sword didn't want to work with him that much hehe

Though when it goes from hypnosis to mind control I'll be saying its lame XD

[Nowitzki]

I doubt Aizen's ability would be mind control.

That is an ability that is too similar to Zomari Leroux's 'Amor' ability, which could control whatever his eye saw. In the long run, someone could use a mirror or something to try to reflect the mind control back at Aizen.

Also, the use of Aizen's Bankai in that case would probably mean he wouldn't be able to use his Shikai, thus actually making him worse.

[Vicent]

it's possible he doesn't have bankai. he owns captains in shikai so that means he should one shot anybody in bankai. He already fooled all of soul society in shikai alone. if he had a bankai he could just use it to usurp Yama.

He does not owns them... he only fools them and decive them... if he wants to beat them, he disolves his shikai and them pwns them with brute power....

I think his bankai has another more usefull technices, if its like Hanatarous, its does not necesseraly has to be used to cause harm... that may be a good reason for Aizen to try to abtain more power that he already have.

[Draykan]

I think it would be funny if Aizen never master bankai. I can see is zanpakuto being " I knew you would try to master me and I already had planned on stopping you. Nobody dominates me." I mean looking at Matsumoto's zanpakuto personality mirroring hers. If Aizen's mirrored him I could see how it might be hard to master. They could just stand around trying to out think each other.

[Sin]

I really didn't want to respond to this but i can't help it anymore... it's annoying. Aizen must have a banakai and i say must because Zaraki is the only one to be a captain without one. Aizen would have no problem showing his bankai because it most likely is an extension to his Shikai so it would further enhance the hypnotism in all probability. So he probably has one or else it'd be one hell of an achilies heel

[KonBankai]

But do you really think it is possible that he cheated his way up to the captain level by just releasing a fake bankai just for fun? :biggrinki
Based on the fact that nobody knew his real shikai, I am pretty sure that he didn't show his real bankai either.

I think it would be funny if Aizen never master bankai. I can see is zanpakuto being " I knew you would try to master me and I already had planned on stopping you. Nobody dominates me." I mean looking at Matsumoto's zanpakuto personality mirroring hers. If Aizen's mirrored him I could see how it might be hard to master. They could just stand around trying to out think each other.
LOL ! That's so true... Now, not only do I want to see Aizen's bankai, but I also want to see what his zanpakuto looks like :( ... Actually, I also want to see Gin's... And Yama's... And Shunshui... Arghhhh:sad

[Guts]

it's possible he doesn't have bankai. he owns captains in shikai so that means he should one shot anybody in bankai. He already fooled all of soul society in shikai alone. if he had a bankai he could just use it to usurp Yama.

so that leads me to only 2 conclusions:

1. either his shikai is not as godly as we think in actual combat and even is bankai wouldn't be enough to topple Yama or Unohana :)

2. For some reason he fails and can't get bankai for some reason so he is using the Hougyokou to cheat and gain hollow powers because he has no bankai.

So he's either "not that strong" or "he fails at bankai" one or the other because if his shikai were as uber as it appears than a 10x power boost would be overkill. obviously something isn't as it seems




It seem you are firm in this mindset that Aizen isnt anywhere near Yama... For you give reasons judging on Aizen which is 101% below yama and why is he 101% below him as well...

In fact the outcome of the battle was not yet even shown, you sound as if you are author yourself...

Please until you see Aizen got thrash by Yama physically, I suggest you refrain that statement of your...


*Just cant stand some people who sound as they can predict the story completely without any concrete evidence at all*

[mebidtt13]

I believe Aizen has achieved bankai, but he is pretty strong with just shikai xD

[SenpaiRetsu]

It seem you are firm in this mindset that Aizen isnt anywhere near Yama... For you give reasons judging on Aizen which is 101% below yama and why is he 101% below him as well...

In fact the outcome of the battle was not yet even shown, you sound as if you are author yourself...

Please until you see Aizen got thrash by Yama physically, I suggest you refrain that statement of your...


*Just cant stand some people who sound as they can predict the story completely without any concrete evidence at all*

It's easy. Soul Society is an organization ran on strength the strongest rule. If u can kill a seated officer, wether it's a third seat(Gin) or a captain(Zaraki) you can take that spot. obviously that person wasn't the strongest if they died. logically if u want the head commander job and the secret of where the key is to the kings realm all you have to do is kill Yama. However he didn't fight Yama. Urahara said that you cannot retire from the Gotei 13 so Yama is stuck as the head captain until someone kills him and takes it. If Aizen were that strong it's be easy for him to just kill Yama and get the key himself.

Clearly since his Zanpakuto has no extra offensive abilities that we know of while Yama has the strongest. even if they had equal riatsu and it came down to making illusions or turning everyhing around you to ashes then

Flames>>>>>>>>illusions in a fight.

Yama could close is eyes and still incinerate everything within a certain radius. Only in shikai he can trap Aizen, Gin, and Tousen. You'd think Aizen would just walk right through, he has pwnd other people's shikai's that easily why not Yama's? Because clearly Yama has significantly more attack power.

[bleacher91]

I thing aizen has bankai cuz later in the anime ichigo he has to fight him and thay have to make him look strong like a final boss kinda thing you know but I would like to see a match with aizen vs the 1st captain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[Mendelson Shape]

i think you all are missing the point. Aizen is very proud, kinda like byakuya. so if shikai was enough to fool everyone so far and was enough to accomplish his goals then why would he even consider using bankai? i mean to him, the shinigami are not worthy enough to see it let alone fight against it.

also he was a captain and like yoruichi said, there is only one captain that does not have bankai and that's kenpachi. so i think all this speculation is redundant.

[Esca]

Aizen has achieved Bankai. If you're arguing against it.. well, that's not okay.

/closed

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