Sexism

[ramenkage]

Does it exist? and if it does where does it originate from, ie the media, people, institutions such as schools, you get the picture

[Ronin]

Of course it exists you dork =\

Sexism these days swings both ways. Like this sign I saw.

"Speak up to
Slow HIM Down."

Rather sexist, against males. And also an add for bread of all things. All these people run into walls because they didnt have the bread, but the one who did ran throught he wall, normal right? Well EVERYONE who ran into a wall was female, the only one who went through was female =\

Its the media mostly.

[Malicious insomniac]

of course it exists.... It's mostly media oriented and it's everywhere in society. It's not only male or female sexism, it's both but i think it's just that male sexists have more influence than teh female sexists imo

[ramenkage]

not to be sexist, but men dont cry about when the media is sexist against them. in fact i think men are the only group vunerable to the media since if anything is said about any other groups, protest are bound to rise

[kinonai]

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[mexboy]

it exist and people deside to do it so it doesent matter what made them do it

[kinonai]

it exist and people deside to do it so it doesent matter what made them do it
You don't "do it"...
...
...
I think you're lost ;).

[Ponpiki]

It's been an existing factor since the dawn of time. We just do it subconciously. Like racisms. A lot of people aren't rasicst but sometimes come off to have the nature of some one who is. It's a physcological cycle. Unless we do it on purpose, it's pretty much your mind continuing the circle.

[Zero]

Does it exist? and if it does where does it originate from, ie the media, people, institutions such as schools, you get the picture

Of course it exists, just flip on your tv.

Where does it originate from? The beginning of time my friend...

And I don't get the picture... >.>

[Jedimuse]

sexism, well i blame the bible. no offense i'm religious and all, but the bible gots to be the most sexist depiction ever. The bible as well the other books like the Torah etc. have always depicted the women as inferior to man. i don't care what the constitution says, the church is not separeted from the state. The churches have a strong power over the laws being made. Who controls the power in the churches, men (priests, preachers, the pope), and what dictates that they should have the power to do so, the bible. Lastly, who wrote the bible, a bunch middle-aged men.

So we have men writing about men's superiority to females and the later generation of men using this written work to surpress the females. Men suck, no offense.

I guess i'm venting cuz i come from a very strong catholic background and worse from a hispanic background. It can't get anymore sexism than this. It sucks to be a girl here.

[Pipp-ORK]

I have experienced sexism. When I was in seventh grade, a few boys began talking about how girls are smarter, boy are stronger etc, etc. This continued for THREE WEEKS, and the teachers did nothing even when the insults got VERY bad. Then, one kid said to the other boys that a woman is nothing more than "..two tits and a cunt." (Excuse my language) This set me off, and so we got into a fight. Me against 5 boys all at once. Sure, I got a bloody nose. Of course it hurt when I twisted my ankle, but at the end of the day when the 6 of us were gathered in the principal's office, getting calls home, I was surrounded by a pretty sorry, sobbing bunch. Damn, if Nan thought I looked awful, she should've seen those kids..(I was aware of what sexism meant, and I seemed to have more pride than the other girls, since all they did was stand and chant "fight!Fight!") There was another instance in high school in which our gym
teacher was openly sexist, and gave the boys 5 extra minutes when it came to sports. 7 out of 15 girls refused to play, and we all failed gym. It was worth it though, because we got the bastard fired. ^___^

[ramenkage]

teacher was openly sexist, and gave the boys 5 extra minutes when it came to sports. 7 out of 15 girls refused to play, and we all failed gym. It was worth it though, because we got the bastard fired. ^___^
it also goes the other way. guys are expected to work harder in gym while girls can just "go at their own pace"
i remember not gettin a 4.0 because of a b in pe. the teacher said i didnt try in square dancing. but he gave this other girl an a even though she walks the mile. it wasnt even normal walking, she was going at snail pace. shes not obese or has any physical disabilities. =/

[Zero]

it also goes the other way. guys are expected to work harder in gym while girls can just "go at their own pace"
i remember not gettin a 4.0 because of a b in pe. the teacher said i didnt try in square dancing. but he gave this other girl an a even though she walks the mile. it wasnt even normal walking, she was going at snail pace. shes not obese or has any physical disabilities. =/

Naturally our bodies are built differently. The teachers try to mark accordingly by lowering the standards for females. Most of the time they don't do a good job of it though.

[ramenkage]

Naturally our bodies are built differently. The teachers try to mark accordingly by lowering the standards for females. Most of the time they don't do a good job of it though.
thats the thing though, not all males are physically better than females, so that assumsion (sp?) shouldnt be made. its sexism

[Zero]

thats the thing though, not all males are physically better than females, so that assumsion (sp?) shouldnt be made. its sexism


Those guys should be considered females then. :face82:

It's how life is, we will always suffer from sexism, racism, and anything of their genre. Once equal rights has been established, there will still be sexism.

Oh, and Pipp, did that gym teacher also let you run less? If he then it seems fair that you should also play less. Albeit he should have given the option to play more like you have the option to run more.

It does seem kind of unfair for certain people to have the right to do less excercising and more playing.

[ramenkage]

there is no life without discrimination
but what piss me off most is extreme feminist
in bio, were watching a video about the difference in the sexes and one feminist lawyer wanted the fire department to lower its physcial exam for women
seriously now, if i was in a burning building, i dont care who saves me, i just want someone who can do it.

[Pipp-ORK]

Once we had a basket ball game, and our p.e teacher gave the girls' team a smaller ball. So we refused to play.....and we all got f's. ^__^ None of us cared though, we had too much pride to back down...After a while, we all got normal sized balls. ^__^

[narratorxx]

jedi's right, it all stems from the bible and most other religions...
i mentioned this in the debate about religion: that what if the bible is just a way to set up a patriarchal society--i mean you can't deny it, we are living in a patriachal society...40 something presidents that have been male, and christian, (except for two or three)...women have been considered property till the 20th century or so...korea and many countries in south east asia were matriarchal, till china, in its expansion, and expatriates leaving (i'm talking bce--before the comman era, here) changed society to a patriarchal one...

has it always been patriarchal--no...before civilazation, before agriculture, societies were matriarchal...they worshipped the image/idea of women--the gaea, the mother earths, the goddesses, women themselves, because they brought life to the world, symbolicly and literally--crops, birth, etc...but then things shifted, as technology became better, and communities/villages sprouted, men became the food bringers and the protector role became more important, instead of worshipping the bowl--you collected food with--also fruedian symbolism--the womb/vagina...they began to worship the blade, the spear--also freudian symbolism--phallus<--this then leads into your monotheistic religions, and patriarchy...but enough with history



even with the leaps and bounds that have been made since the 60s, 20s if you want to include suffrage, women still have it worse than men--even if men get it too, it's neglible compared to that of the women...they still, since the 60s, make less than a men, have to work harder, etc...

after the bible, it comes down to the nuclear family...everything is learned there--classism, racism, sexism, other --isms...even in the most liberal, hippy families they can't escape from labeling, and gender roles, cause it's easier to teach kids that way...then when they get older, they're taught differently, but that core teaching as a child will still remains...

but in many ways, teaching gender roles is still needed, cause parents want an masculine boy, or a feminine girl--even within hippy type families...cause without them, a core identity is lost...even before we identify ourselves by our name, or our race, our ethinicity, our citizenship, our hobbies...it comes down to: check the box if you're male, or female...so basically we can't escape sexism

(this post prolly jumps around a lot, but i'm in a rush...so sorry if there's any confusion anywhere)

[ramenkage]

jedi's right, it all stems from the bible and most other religions...
i mentioned this in the debate about religion: that what if the bible is just a way to set up a patriarchal society--i mean you can't deny it, we are living in a patriachal society...40 something presidents that have been male, and christian, (except for two or three)...women have been considered property till the 20th century or so...korea and many countries in south east asia were matriarchal, till china, in its expansion, and expatriates leaving (i'm talking bce--before the comman era, here) changed society to a patriarchal one...i agree except for the china and asian statement. they were alway patriarchial and in most cases even more so that the western world

[narratorxx]

china was always patriarchal...but korea and some sea kingdoms in southeast asia were matriarchal...but for several reasons--war, famine, nomad--chinese spread the idea of patriarchy into korea--i mean what is now korea, and south east asia...this is before the unification of china and its first dynasty...at least that's how i remember it

[ramenkage]

my bad i forgot about korea
dont know much about korea history so ill just take your word for it

[crazyazn]

to get a visual idea of all this
just look at your generic rap artists mv...
(not to say i dont like rap)

and yes china and japan were male oriented empires and still are to this day
and it is true that in many nations, there are histories that began as women oriented(look at england before roman invasion)

[kinonai]

This goes back to the gym thing...just to let you know I am not being completely random :winking56 .

Anyway, when I was in middle school, I was OBSESSED with three goals:
1.) To be the best at everything out of everyone in gym class
2.) To prove to my sexist gym teacher that girls are NOT weak
3.) To prove to the male students that thought girls were not equal to their 'greatness' that I was 'greater' than they

Well, I came pretty damn close to #1, and hit both #2 and #3 home. Every class we'd warm up by jogging around the track for five minutes. The guys would race, and the girls would slowly walk...as I am sure you had guessed, I raced, and I kicked their sorry asses every time. Then it was time for the sit up contest? Ohh I owned that one too...the best was like 50ish and mine was 60ish in a minute. The only thing I couldn't do was the damn chin ups. I did it all the time with the tree at home, but the stupid bar was too slick and no matter what I did, I'd loose my grip. Oh well. >.> My mile time was pretty good, but I can't remember it now...I've been really lazy the past few years. You know what? I'm going to get in shape and make asses out of show offs again :sad: .

[joogla]

It obviously exists and it is just an outward expression of internal beliefs. Beliefs that are gathered as a child is growing up. The problem with our society today is that it isnt precise enough. So much stuff that is not sexism could be percieved as subtly sexist and blown way out of proportion. Take the Harvard president's comment that the reason females do not advance as much as males in the sciences may be due to physical traits. That in itself is not unreasonable, there has been research in that area that supports that. Guys and girls are just built differently. BUT NO. HE IS A SEXIST MONSTER so many people has said. Whats up with that? Rather than make excuses, sometimes we should just look carefully at what is in front of us.

[kinonai]

I do not understand because the I advance at an equal rate as the males in my class. To me, it does sound like he is being sexist. Perhaps our culture just lets women slack off too much?

[Sahiden]

Well, a lot has improved since feminism came up.
Still a lot of inbalances exist. Some people still would like to see them solved.
Example: The simple line, My girlfriend, My Wife is considered sexist by feminists these days. I try to avoid saying stuff like that, but in a conversation it is way easier said then: 'The girl I'm having an affair with'.
If you really want to work those things out you should rewrite the language...
Also on jobs... You always hear feminists scream about to much men in High positions. But you never hear them say that there aren't enough women in the undertaker profession. Though it is a profession done mostly by men.
Is that then not being selfish and sexist.
If equalisation is so important then it will happen anyway.
But, equalisation is not all positive on the girls their side.
It is not very polite/moral/honorful to hit a girl. But reality is that this is a sexist remark since girls can hit boys. Equality would want freedom of fighting as well.
Personally I agree with the girls. But some really only want to see only improvements for themselves. And not take the bad stuff along. Creating another way of being unfair.

[leafdeathstar19]

I think it does exist (sexism) but ladies you cant judge all of us (as a gender) by one jerk. If you do you have majior problems

I do not understand because the I advance at an equal rate as the males in my class. To me, it does sound like he is being sexist. Perhaps our culture just lets women slack off too much?

*points above*
Example of a sexism!

[Hinatetsu]

Sexism does exist, and there are many jerky guys out there (my gym teacher still refuses to acknowledge (sp?) that I beat the crap out of one of his male students in the middle of class [hey the guy was a jerk and I'm a black belt and was ticked, of course he was going to get it]). Instead the guy got in trouble for picking on a girl, which I thought was offending to me because I very clearly won.

However, there are also girls who take feminism too far and are all for being independent. Sometimes girls don't realise, or care, that it's in man's nature to be protective and try to run things - and that just get's everyone angry when the girl thinks too highly of herself. As for me, I really don't care, I let me man run the house and do what he wants unless it's something that I strongly disagree with.

[Uzichida Cantameru]

^how true mrs. I wore a short skirt to the exams and got a 60%.

[Hinatetsu]

I rarely use that to my advantage, it was more of an act of desperation, I didn't want to 'fail' Biology. Dumb teacher. Besides, it was him at fault since I had over a 100% without studying when I retook the class. If a man's going to use his power to his advantage, I'm going to use my sexuality and ability to wear short skirts. :P

[Uzichida Cantameru]

gah...lol thats y girls are better. can control men *shivvers at being controlled* im going to jupiter if ya know what i mean.

[Hinatetsu]

That's because most men are so stupid (sorry men in this forum). Most men are morons with one thing on their minds! -.-;; That's why they can be controlled, because they are predicable. It's not my fault. :P

[Uzichida Cantameru]

lol how true...ur evil *goes to corner* the corner protects me, no light goes there so cant be seen ^_^ .but yea ur true luckily im not like that ^_^

[Hinatetsu]

Ah! Uzichida, Azumanga Diaoh! *so happy!*

Anyway, I said not all men were like that, but most are. And most women are b******. What a messed up society. ><

[Kiechi]

Does it exist? and if it does where does it originate from, ie the media, people, institutions such as schools, you get the picture

Of course it exists. "Girls suck, boys rule" There you go. Evidence.