Chapter 207: Mode:Genocide (Raw)

[asukasun]

yeah it´s finally out ... and we will see mainly Renji in action. And Ururu (who seems to be very strong) will also have a short fight with Illforte!! Rangiku seems to have lost against Nakim.

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[Jinchuu]

Is that Ururu pooning a uber-vastorade? That is unprecedented crap.

[symphonyX]

nice, i've been waiting for this chapter for hours lol

[Hits]

Is that Ururu pooning a uber-vastorade? That is unprecedented crap.
no, she's the dumb little girl that works at urahara's shop.

[jonat3]

Is that Ururu pooning a uber-vastorade? That is unprecedented crap.

Not sure wether he's a vastoorodes, though. But i must admit, Ururu is awesome.

[asukasun]

Illforte is an arankaru (because he releases him Zanpakutou at the same way like Edorad, who already said that he´s an arankaru)

[ashuran]

go to bleach portal for raw version
or go to moonbean they already got a translated 207 up

i know im new here but arnt all spoiers about the chapter supposed to be in spoilers tag till like 24hrs after its released?

[Miriya]

Holy freakin Hell...Ururu! O_O

[Sir_unforgiven]

this looks like a pretty cool chapter, who the hell knew ururu was like captin level SHEEEIT!, also it also looks like the only one who is gonna win his fight is ikkaku haha gooooo ikkaku!

[shadow25]

But seriously, I remember back when Urahara said that Ururu had anti-death god level fighting ability, and I was so looking forward to seeing her fight. Let's think what this means. ANTI-Death god. Basically, the way I saw is that she's of a level that anyone below vice captain would have no chance. And judging by the way she berserkers on Illforte, that seems to be pretty true. Does Ururu's thing remind anyone of GS "Seed Mode"? Cuz when she goes in the zone, her pupils do that thing as well, and it was pretty nostalgic, haha

along the same lines....how crazy is urahara, if he stops ururu's kick barehanded, the same kick that beat up IF pretty good.

[Polygon]

This does it.

I am now 100000000000% sure urahara and co. are vaizards. And urahra is the leader.

[GaryDAI]

I guess it's safe to say that Ichigo would be dead if Urahara did not Uruhu's kick ^_^

Got to becareful of the shy girls! They're scary :p

[AznPoi]

Ururu got the Anti-Death God genes. Meaning she can pretty much kill 99% of all soul society. The only ones that stands a chance are captains.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Man, all this talk about Ururu owning Il Forte scared me. I thought she would beat him or something. It's good that she in the end got owned. On another subject, his zanpaku-to release is pretty interesting. I'm not sure what the point is though. It's like they reclaim the form they lost when their masks were taken off. So why even go through the trouble of becoming an arrancar? I guess there's more to it than that.

[Fariswheel]

Man, all this talk about Ururu owning Il Forte scared me. I thought she would beat him or something. It's good that she in the end got owned. On another subject, his zanpaku-to release is pretty interesting. I'm not sure what the point is though. It's like they reclaim the form they lost when their masks were taken off. So why even go through the trouble of becoming an arrancar? I guess there's more to it than that.

How do we know that its the same form? They said true form, that might not mean the form that they had earlir, it would mean the true form of their spirit.

[jonat3]

How do we know that its the same form? They said true form, that might not mean the form that they had earlir, it would mean the true form of their spirit.

I'm under the impression that when a plus turns into a hollow it also turn into what their souls look like. An ability in the bleach world reflects the users soul. It's very likely that their hollow form resembles their released form.

About the point, i think there is one. For one thing, their form is made of zanpakutou material. That's bound to have an even stronger defense than their normal hollow form. A plus is also that they would already be familiar with this form and have no need of gaining experience in able to use it.Hybrids naturally have more energy too.

[Sandal Hat]

I think that there released forms are there true forms and reveals the size they were before being turned into arrancar. Which would mean that the arrancar ururu and Renji are fighting is an adjuca that was hybridized

[ocasas]

Ju-Ni made a LQ scanlation, grab it here:

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Expect the HQ later...

[Sandal Hat]

Ju-Ni made a LQ scanlation, grab it here:

http://savefile.com/files/3942364

Expect the HQ later...It said File Id is not valid


Also, did you get my pm?

[Fariswheel]

I get the same message.

I think that there released forms are there true forms and reveals the size they were before being turned into arrancar. Which would mean that the arrancar ururu and Renji are fighting is an adjuca that was hybridized

That would be a good explination of why Ururu was able to own his unreleased form, but until I see an Vastroode's release, I would think that its their form before hand that matters.

[ultimate]

i think this will sound stupid but whos that giant dude at the end of the chapter? anyway ururu seemed to be sensing something then seemed to automatically goes to own that arankaru, thats weird... Ururu got the Anti-Death God genes. Meaning she can pretty much kill 99% of all soul society. The only ones that stands a chance are captains. yeh, i bet she could take down all of soul society, she could beat the crap outta most captains there...

[ocasas]

The giant dude was the Arrancar Ururu was figthing... you know... Ilfort...

[_Ink]

people, all this speculation of her owning the entire SS is ridiculous, i mean, if she could, why bother to have SS doing all that training and a shinigami school when there is one helluva powerful shy little girl who can just own all of them?

c'mon, i think she is powerful undoubtedly, but she is no GOd, i think it is a matter of instant scenic, she comes in, she goes out you know.

As for the Arrancar release, i think as well, that it is simply reverting back to their hollow form, only now, the hollow form with a zanpakutou instead of the original. As we see with Edorad, he gets a special ability with Volcanica, he sorts of spits fire with his fists, meaning instead of the usual hollow form, which may or may not have extra abilities (in comparison to the likes of Grand Fisher and the Worm Explosive hollow) we see, in a shikai for a arrancar, it renders them an extra layer of armor and ability as well as bigger bodysize, which can seem to increase their powers as well. Not just adding an ability.

So far, it seems like Shaw Long is owning Hitsugaya, he looks real tired and at this point, obviously he may not stand a chance with Nakim already defeated Rangiku, he could be in double exposure, him standing against two of them, if they play dirty, he will get maimed instantly and it appears that Shaw Long is no softie, he is damn powerful.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

"Skewer her, Del Toro" Man, that was awesome. I take it back. I love arrancar zanpaku-to releases. The sheer shock-effect they generate when they they're put onto the table is just too good. It's funny how all of their soul slayers have latin or spanish names. I wonder why that is. Maybe hollows and hueco mundo are connected with ancient Rome?

[mottesheard]

I really like the zanpakutou release this time. it looks like an odd mix between a bull and an armadillo. Odd, but cool.

[AznPoi]

ururu beated the living crap out of that guy, imagine if she was a HALLOW!!! A hallow with an anti-death god gene equal SS end.

[kt2005]

Now every SS strong boys are weak, and again Urahara and his tag team go save everyone. Actually, Ururu and the boy could be subjects of some Urahara's secret invention.."super human"...remember he was the Founder of Technology Bureau.

Really disappointed. Hitsugaya was lost again. May be someone will come and help.

[deathgaze1]

Why Cant Ururu And Jinta Be powerful Mod Souls??

I Think They Are....... how else do u expect a kid to be soo strong !!!

[asukasun]

Really disappointed. Hitsugaya was lost again. May be someone will come and help.

Why do you think that he will lose? The fight isn´t even over (Ikakus fight looked also bad for him and what happend?)

[Unrefined-Nemesis]

We Haven't Yet Seen The Abilities Of Hitsugaya's Bankai, Maybe He Has A Really Powerful Technique That He Hasn't Shown Us And OWN THOSE TWO Ankaraus

[Undying]

We Haven't Yet Seen The Abilities Of Hitsugaya's Bankai, Maybe He Has A Really Powerful Technique That He Hasn't Shown Us And OWN THOSE TWO Ankaraus
I tend to agree with you (espicially since I really don't want "boy-genious" to die), but also because I don't think that anyone who ascends to being captain can be weak (one exeption is Tousen, and even he is strong, it's just that Kenpachi is a *lot* stronger) so I assume that he'll own those two guys pronto.

[Anil]

I tend to agree with you (espicially since I really don't want "boy-genious" to die), but also because I don't think that anyone who ascends to being captain can be weak (one exeption is Tousen, and even he is strong, it's just that Kenpachi is a *lot* stronger) so I assume that he'll own those two guys pronto.


Ahem*

There is one key difference between Hitsugaya's fight and Ikkaku's... Ikkaku' didn't even release his bankai till the very end... he'd been making do with the normal form...

These Arrancar weren't even forced to release their zanpakutoh, and already Hitsugaya and Renji are forced to use bankai just to keep up.... Matsumoto got owned... Looks like Hitsugaya was right...

On that note... OMG WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH URURU?!
AND TO THINK THAT URUHARA STOPPED HER KICK WITH ONE HAND!!!

*ahem* ... but the fact that she got skewered ...oh man.... not good... I hope she doesn't die...

I also like the shock factor of Arrancar release... It's absolutely beautiful... can't wait to see it animated...

also... it's seems that in all the craziness of people getting owned, we have overlooked the fact that Renji was called "brother" not once... but twice... just to negate the idea of the first being a typo...

any thoughts... HOW CAN A HOLLOW AND A SHINIGAMI BE RELATED?! ..unless it's the whole... before death thing... but... he mentions the Gotei Thirteen...

wow... so much in one chapter... I'm just bouncing from excitement...

[Sir_unforgiven]

Ahem*

There is one key difference between Hitsugaya's fight and Ikkaku's... Ikkaku' didn't even release his bankai till the very end... he'd been making do with the normal form...

These Arrancar weren't even forced to release their zanpakutoh, and already Hitsugaya and Renji are forced to use bankai just to keep up.... Matsumoto got owned... Looks like Hitsugaya was right...

On that note... OMG WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH URURU?!
AND TO THINK THAT URUHARA STOPPED HER KICK WITH ONE HAND!!!

*ahem* ... but the fact that she got skewered ...oh man.... not good... I hope she doesn't die...

I also like the shock factor of Arrancar release... It's absolutely beautiful... can't wait to see it animated...

also... it's seems that in all the craziness of people getting owned, we have overlooked the fact that Renji was called "brother" not once... but twice... just to negate the idea of the first being a typo...

any thoughts... HOW CAN A HOLLOW AND A SHINIGAMI BE RELATED?! ..unless it's the whole... before death thing... but... he mentions the Gotei Thirteen...

wow... so much in one chapter... I'm just bouncing from excitement...
he wasn't calling him brother as in we're brothers he was saying it like, hulk hogan uses it, it just like calling him pal or guy or whatever, ss should have sent stronger guys than hitsugaya, man they were just asking to get owned, isshin,urahara and yourouchi are gonna have to save all their asses, i think urahara will flipping own that arrankaru when he sees what he did to ururu

[Polygon]

To all of you who are calling renji, hitsugaya and co. weak; keep in mind that these are arrancrs. A normal captian wouldn't be able to fight a vasroorode arrancar. Let alone a VC.

[jwhizz]

It seems like Ururu was more like a robot here. She kind of spaced out and went into "attack mode"

Also, I think she caught him off guard, and that is how she got her hit in.

The person who said that she seems to be one of Urahara's experiments, I would have to agree on tht one, she did not seem like a normal person, at least in this chapter.

[General Cox]

Yeah, i think ururu is one of urahara's experiments as well, i mean whgo has ever heard about anyone with anti shinigami power? I htink that would be to stop shinigamis from trying to follow and arrest urahara.

I can see urahara coming into the fight now that she was involved though. What about jinta? Do you think he is a crazy experiment too?

[Anil]

he wasn't calling him brother as in we're brothers he was saying it like, hulk hogan uses it, it just like calling him pal or guy or whatever, ss should have sent stronger guys than hitsugaya, man they were just asking to get owned, isshin,urahara and yourouchi are gonna have to save all their asses, i think urahara will flipping own that arrankaru when he sees what he did to ururu

ok ... I could see that as a possibility ...but it's still wierd...

About Hitsugaya... they were supposed to be scouting... not making all out war... Unfortunately... it looks like they were caught off guard by how strong the Arrancar were... they seem to be having trouble making up for the strength gap...

I do think they should have sent other people though... as genius as Hitsugaya is, he is still inexperienced... on top of that... it beats me why they sent anyone under captain level if they were expecting them to be so much stronger than captains... but again... scouting party... although Ikkaku is surprisingly strong.... he did nearly get killed though...

They better get some back up there fast... things are getting worse and worse... and they still have to deal with four of those bastards....

Casualties on Arrancar side: 2
Casualties on SS side:3 and I'm not even counting Ururu...

which would mean that it's 2 for 1 in the Arrancar's favor... not good...

I don't think Jinta is a crazy experiment.. Hell I'm not sure if Ururu is an experiment at that... but she sure as hell ain't normal...

[jwhizz]

I bet SS will send in reinforcements. Unless Urahara is a lot stronger then the SS scouting party, I dont think they have a chance.

[Anil]

yeah... about that...

Urahara hasn't been aprehended by Soul Society... why...?

He did stop Ururu's kick one handed... that's scary... I'm not sure how strong he is... but wth... he stopped Ururu's kick...

If you want a better idea of how to gauge him think about this... He and Yoruichi went toe to toe with the Arrancar earlier... Was he forced to use bankai at all...? Hell Yoruichi backhanded the big guy like he was a little
b!^#& ...

... yeah ... I would say they are plenty strong... though I could be wrong...

[Aragami]

This chapter made me re-watch Variable Geo

[Undying]

Well, right now it would seem that the only hope that the SS scouting party has is Isshin, Urahara, Youroichi and HollowIchigo saving theire asses... Not much of a chance, seeing that Urahara didn't appear to help Renji when the Arrancar showed up, and he should have, that friggin' *creep* own Renji's ass (unless he shows some of this "I will beat you even if I get killed" attitude...
On a sidenote, Anil, I meant I hope that good old Hitsugaya and good young, pretty, full of assets...hm, ahem, Rangiku don't die.

[Anil]

....

I can't see them killing either Hitsu or Rangiku... there is still that thing with Gin that's unresolved ...and if Hitsugaya dies then Momo dies... cause she'd have no reason to live at all....

[InuRukia]

I think Hitsu has some latent hidden abilities that we havent seen. I mean didnt Ichimaru say that he was the reincarnation of an ice god? I think Urahara is gonna come out and show his bankai and throughly kill off del toro. I also hope we get to see Rukias Bankai.

[Anil]

Ichimaru called Hitsu the kind of genius that comes along every few centuries... not the reincarnation of an Ice god... just a genius sent by the heavens or something...

I hope Urahara shows... someone needs to look like they can handle killing off Arrancar's without insane amounts of effort, or else come time to face Aizen everyone will die...

Rukia...? Bankai...? Not ...bloody...likely...

or at least not for a while...

[Skiptag]

holy crap, ururu is teh shitzor! i was like: O_O when she beat the shit out of the arrancar. But rukia... bankai? it doesnt seem likely, but who knows? good ol' byakuya kept her out of the 13 squads cuz he didnt want her to be in danger, but she seems at lieut lvl and since ikkaku and renji have bankai she could have one as well. i wanna see jinta flip... hit everyone with a giant bat bankai or something... XD and im sure hitsu has a few more tricks up his sleeve, because if this the best what a child prodigy/heavenly guard who appears once in a century can do, then im worried...

[InuRukia]

Also what does Urahara shikai do, does it couter any techique used again him?

[ffgirl_07]

ururu's attack was COOL!! i wonder is jinta will do? and renji.

[SumpfFuchs]

jinta will probably beat him in front of renji, but it would be nice to actualy see renji beat someone for once.. who have we seen renji beat so far? as for seeing rukias bankai, ide rather not see it now, ide rather see her train for it or something, they just now announced that two people have a sword release and ect. they should hold off the this person can do this but we never told you until now stuff for a little while.

[Undying]

I doubt Rukia has BanKai, remember Pyon saying that she could become a "seated officer", a that means ShiKai, and very unlikely BanKai (well, Ikkaku's an exeption. He could become captain but nooooooo, it's "I love KInpachi". Damned idiot.) and yeah, Renji beat someone will be cool, I mean, up till now, we haven't seen him beat anyone at all... always being saved in the last second by Byakuya, then Kira, then Rikichi, then Ichigo, and now Ururu (BTW, I, too, was !!!???O_O???!!! when I saw her make that guy Bleed) so yeah, go Renji! (or he might just be saved by Bya-kun again, pitiful, pitiful...)

[Captain BenZ]

I'm sorry, but Ururu looks really scary when she gets into her "excited" mode. I definintly wouldn't want to mess with her...

[InuRukia]

I bet rukia will get bankai sometime.

[Hits]

I think Hitsugaya, like all captains have some kind of special ability or w.e that he hasn't used it. I mean, why else would he be a captain? I'm really hoping for Yorouchi to fight and use her shikai, or even bankai.

[ultimate]

I think Hitsugaya, like all captains have some kind of special ability or w.e that he hasn't used it. I mean, why else would he be a captain? I'm really hoping for Yorouchi to fight and use her shikai, or even bankai. have we actually seen hitsugayas bankai ability? or was it that freezing thing that showed in bleach ep60 where he hits the opponent and freezes them? anyway i am hoping to see isshin, urahara or yorouichi fight more

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

have we actually seen hitsugayas bankai ability? or was it that freezing thing that showed in bleach ep60 where he hits the opponent and freezes them? anyway i am hoping to see isshin, urahara or yorouichi fight more

If Hitsugaya's bankai has any extra abilities, then I think they revolve around those stars floating in the background. Everybody knows I've been knocking his full release by calling them "christmas ornaments", but I doubt they are just for appearance. At this point though, I doubt even a cheap technique will bail him out. He's screwed......big time. If Renji fights Il Forte with Del Toro unleashed he will die too unless Urahara bails him out. I seriously doubt anyone else can. It's too bad Ulquiorra isn't involved. He would destroy Benihime. Hell, a backhand from him is more powerful than its shikai's offensive ability. There's no doubt in my mind that he is a vastoorode hybrid.

[Polygon]

If Hitsugaya's bankai has any extra abilities, then I think they revolve around those stars floating in the background. Everybody knows I've been knocking his full release by calling them "christmas ornaments", but I doubt they are just for appearance. At this point though, I doubt even a cheap technique will bail him out. He's screwed......bit time. If Renji fights Il Forte with Del Toro unleashed he will die too unless Urahara bails him out. I doubt anyone else can. It's too bad Ulquiorra isn't involved. He would destroy Benihime. Hell, a backhand from him is more powerful than its shikai's offensive ability.

Ulquiorra would die against urahara. urarus kick was eboughf to testify this. and urahra stopped her kick with one hand effortlessley. Urahraa would pwn any arrancar.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Ulquiorra would die against urahara. urarus kick was eboughf to testify this. and urahra stopped her kick with one hand effortlessley. Urahraa would pwn any arrancar.

I think shattering an attack just like Ichigo's lunar fang with a slap is far more impressive than catching Ururu's kick. Did you pay attention to Urahara's face when Ulquiorra did that? He was completely stunned. His shikai's offensive technique was casually swatted away like it was a fly. In other words, he got owned.

[Capthxc]

I still have a feeling that one of the more powerful captains is going to show up in the nick of time. They did call for reinforcements i believe, and i also wouldn't be suprised if urahara does something big too. But most of all i am looking forward to seeing ichigo and grimmjaw square off, that should be one hell of a fight, i like the arrancar releases and i cant wait to see grims.

[Undying]

Yeah, and we'll get to see No-Name fight against someone who is actually on his level... And I agree, if one the other captain/Isshin/Urahara/Youroichi don't save Renji/Hitsugaya, then SS just lost another captain and 2 VCs.

[Sir_unforgiven]

To all of you who are calling renji, hitsugaya and co. weak; keep in mind that these are arrancrs. A normal captian wouldn't be able to fight a vasroorode arrancar. Let alone a VC.
renji is a captain now

[Undying]

renji is a captain now
Is he? I mean, shouldn't you at least be able to control your BanKai before becoming one? Maybe you meant to say he's Captain level, then I'd understand, but I don't think he's a captain.

[Aarick]

i was under the impression that renji was a VC still. but about rukia, she will become the VC of squad 13, unless she somehow pulls out a bankai which i dont think she will yet.

[lemoneko007]

renji is still vice captain. hitsugaya and others aren't supposed to be called weak, they must have fought arrancars with higher levels. like grim jaw. he's friggin' strong, icchi realized it too, much better than the one who got knocked by rukia. and same goes with eduardo who fought with ikkaku, i think his level maybe a bit lower than ilforte who fought hitsugaya.
ururu...how is she now? damn that ilforte...

[RedIceRing]

Renji is not a captain. He is basically Kubo's whipping boy...I don't remember him EVER winning a single fight. He always gets his ass kicked. Lets see - Byakuya, Ichigo twice, Aizen(can't really blame him for that one:redbiggri).

I expected more from "Boy Genius" Hitsugaya. He is a captain afterall and has the strongest Ice Zanpakuto but he is getting absolutely beetched by Shaw. I mean Ikakku is supposed to be captain-level but Hitsugaya had to already release his Bankai just to keep up with Shaw's normal phase. Hopefully Shiro-Chan has something up his sleeve, or another phase of his Bankai (like Byakuya's, with all his increases in power) because it would be terribly embarassing for Soul Society to have one of their captains get totally embarrassed like this.

On the topic of Rukia achieving Bankai...don't count on it. Pyon said she was good enough to be seated, but that doesn't necessarily mean VC or C, aren't there 7 seats in each squad?Not to mention Renjis conversation with Ikkaku where he says that only them 2 and Ichigo are Shinigamis who have achieved Bankai who are not captains.

Still, I hope that the Visors come and show us their true abilities...they really are a mystery right now.

[Undying]

Yeah, well, you forgot Ikkaku... I think it means that there are other Shinigamis whos have BanKai/training to achieve BanKai and just don't want to show it off. And there aren't 7 seats, it's more like 20 (remember that guy who told Inoue he's gonna become a 20th seat?), and Rukia... well I, too, doubt she has BanKai, after all, if Byakuya-aniki would have known about this, he wouldn't have feared for Rukia's life (at least enough so that he would have allowed her to become VC for the 13th division).
About "Boy-Genius" and "Beat-Boy" (Hitsugaya and Renji) I expected much more from either of them (a VC achieving BanKai in one friggin' day and a boy who is a captain...).
I agree with you that the Visored should show up and kick some Arrancar butt, but the way I see it, there can be two things:
#1 Other C's showing up and helping the good-guys (I include Urahara, Isshin and Youroichi in that)
#2 The Visored show up (-I support this one. We had enough of No-Name causing Ichigo to nearly die).

[flam3z]

I bet there will be some intervention of sorts , say , Aizen recalling the arrancars or something . But of course , that's after Renji n Hitsu get their asses kicked .

It's either that , or someone might show up n save their asses . Judging from wut I saw , there's no way Renji is gonna win . In regards 2 Hitsu , I dun really think so 2 . He might have some ability of sorts , but I dun think it's gonna be enough 2 completely own the other guy . Maybe barely enough 2 hold him off , or maybe a narrow win .

[Polygon]

I think shattering an attack just like Ichigo's lunar fang with a slap is far more impressive than catching Ururu's kick. Did you pay attention to Urahara's face when Ulquiorra did that? He was completely stunned. His shikai's offensive technique was casually swatted away like it was a fly. In other words, he got owned.

He was stunned? Didn't seem to be like he thought it was a big deal. Trust me, Urahara can whoop any arrancars butt. Same with Yamato, yourichi and isshin. Plus, Urahara is a character that has to be stronger than ichigo until the very end. And I'm pretty sure catching her kick was not something uliquirra can do so easily. Even Tessai would own him.

[largosama]

I'm thinking that the more hollow like an arrancar shikai is, the more powerful the arrancar is.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

He was stunned? Didn't seem to be like he thought it was a big deal. Trust me, Urahara can whoop any arrancars butt. Same with Yamato, yourichi and isshin. Plus, Urahara is a character that has to be stronger than ichigo until the very end. And I'm pretty sure catching her kick was not something uliquirra can do so easily. Even Tessai would own him.


Where is the logic in this statement? I can't seem to find it. Ulquiorra destroying cry (http://www.bleachexile.com/bleach-online/details.php?image_id=4198&sessionid=409258fdc76c5ddbae935d929ec87417) He doesn't look stunned? Ugh...how much more obvious could his expression be? Did you also happen to miss the big exclamation point next to his head? Being stronger than Ichigo really doesn't matter. There are already more than a few we know about who are stronger than him, but just how much is an issue. Ulquiorra obviously a great deal more powerful since he declared him as trash. Also, he said that the odds of Yourichi and Urahara defeating him while protecting their wounded were terrible. If they were really that competent in fighting arrancar then they should've had reasonable chances.

Yourichi's performance doesn't amaze me either. Her opponent was missing one arm. It's not like he would've been able to effectively fight such an opponent with a handicap like that. Plus, she would've been obliterated by Yamii's cero if Urahara wasn't there. If it wasn't for him, then she would've ended up like the rest of the landscape. Yamamoto and Aizen are the probably the only captains who can take on Vast-Lord hybrids and even that is mere conjecture. Ishin..wow....he destroyed the hybrid of a weak hollow. Impressive. :rolleyes: Tessai.......hahahaha......I won't even honor that with a response.

[Polygon]

It is obvious that Urahara >>> Uliquirra. Unless you hink that was his limit, which it obviously isn't. It wouldn't surprise me if urahra is a vaizard.

Tessai would own ill forte easily. Grand fisher hybrid without effort. that is impressive.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

It is obvious that Urahara >>> Uliquirra. Unless you hink that was his limit, which it obviously isn't. It wouldn't surprise me if urahra is a vaizard.

Tessai would own ill forte easily. Grand fisher hybrid without effort. that is impressive.




What you're saying is nothing but conjecture. The only thing we can really go on is what has been seen. The fact is that Ulquiorra's back hand is more powerful than Benihime's cry attack, which is more powerful than Ururu's kick. He could easily stop one of her attacks and would probably do her worse than Il Forte. It makes no sense for Urahara to be a Vaizard either. The way he brought them up when he was talking to Ishin was one of being ignorant to their activities, unless he was lying. I don't think he was since Ichigo's father is obviously an old friend. As for Tessai again.... :LOL:

[Polygon]

I'm sorry but, Urahara, Tessai, yourichi, Isshin and yamato can own uliquirra.

[Sir_unforgiven]

Is he? I mean, shouldn't you at least be able to control your BanKai before becoming one? Maybe you meant to say he's Captain level, then I'd understand, but I don't think he's a captain.
i'm pretty sure he was actually promoted to the rank of captain once aizen and co left, that is why he was trying to get ikkaku to become a captain as well i beleive

renji is still vice captain. hitsugaya and others aren't supposed to be called weak, they must have fought arrancars with higher levels. like grim jaw. he's friggin' strong, icchi realized it too, much better than the one who got knocked by rukia. and same goes with eduardo who fought with ikkaku, i think his level maybe a bit lower than ilforte who fought hitsugaya.
ururu...how is she now? damn that ilforte...
i wouldn't say hitsugaya is weak, but i would say he is one of the weaker captains because although he is a genious, he still doesn't have much experience in time he could be very strong, but right now i think he is too green, all we pretty much see him do is get owned

Where is the logic in this statement? I can't seem to find it. Ulquiorra destroying cry (http://www.bleachexile.com/bleach-online/details.php?image_id=4198&sessionid=409258fdc76c5ddbae935d929ec87417) He doesn't look stunned? Ugh...how much more obvious could his expression be? Did you also happen to miss the big exclamation point next to his head? Being stronger than Ichigo really doesn't matter. There are already more than a few we know about who are stronger than him, but just how much is an issue. Ulquiorra obviously a great deal more powerful since he declared him as trash. Also, he said that the odds of Yourichi and Urahara defeating him while protecting their wounded were terrible. If they were really that competent in fighting arrancar then they should've had reasonable chances.

Yourichi's performance doesn't amaze me either. Her opponent was missing one arm. It's not like he would've been able to effectively fight such an opponent with a handicap like that. Plus, she would've been obliterated by Yamii's cero if Urahara wasn't there. If it wasn't for him, then she would've ended up like the rest of the landscape. Yamamoto and Aizen are the probably the only captains who can take on Vast-Lord hybrids and even that is mere conjecture. Ishin..wow....he destroyed the hybrid of a weak hollow. Impressive. :rolleyes: Tessai.......hahahaha......I won't even honor that with a response.
he was obviously stunned, but i wouldn't say that means Ulquiorra is stronger than uruhara, i think he wasn't expecting them to be that strong, but i think 1on1 he could win depending on his bankai, Ulquiorra suggested that they wouldn't be able to win if they fought him while trying to protect ichigo and orhime, because 1 they would be distracted, and 2 besides fighting him they would have to protect them, he also never called urahara or yorouichi trash just ichigo

[Hits]

i'm pretty sure he was actually promoted to the rank of captain once aizen and co left, that is why he was trying to get ikkaku to become a captain as well i beleive


i wouldn't say hitsugaya is weak, but i would say he is one of the weaker captains because although he is a genious, he still doesn't have much experience in time he could be very strong, but right now i think he is too green, all we pretty much see him do is get owned
Well, why wasn't he wearing the white captain's robe? I would imagine he would brag a lot in front of ichigo if he were promoted as a captain, not that he is... Just because you have bankai doesn't mean you are worthy of the captain rank. Let see....if Ikkaku achieved bankai and he is the 3rd seat officer...that would probably mean the Yachiru is even more powerful....there are probably many shinigamis unknown who have bankais.

And I don't get it...why is everyone saying Renji and Hitsugaya will get owned? They've just started to fight and well...this is manga so there will probably be something to they haven't used yet...

[Wren]

Renji probably wouldnt be a captain for the same reason Ikkaku wouldnt be one. They want to become stronger than their respective captians and they have a really strong sense of loyalty to them.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I'm sorry but, Urahara, Tessai, yourichi, Isshin and yamato can own uliquirra.

Just because you said so? Can you back up this claim with anything actually taken from the manga or is it just what you think?

[Sandal Hat]

The only person out of all the people you stated that can beat Ulquiorra is Yamamoto .

Urahara-Yeah, he owned Yami but its obvious Ulquiorra is in a different league. We need to see both Ulquiorra's and Urahara's full strenght to compare them

Tessai-I don't know where you came up with this.

Yoruichi- Same as what I said for Urahara

Isshin- He pwned Grand Fisher, so what? We need more info for this match up too.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

I'm sorry but, Urahara, Tessai, yourichi, Isshin and yamato can own uliquirra.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3803/objection8qp.png

Ulquiorra deflected Benehime's attack bare handed. His conversation with Urahara and Yoruichi indicated that he was fully capable of taking the both of them on at the same time - and winning. Urahara sensed this, which is why he was content to let Ulquiorra retreat with the wounded Yami. Tessai is Urahara's subordinate, and we've not seen enough of Isshin or Yamamoto to judge their strengths.

[Polygon]

It's not just cause I said so. Though it is speculation, its a safe guess. Though I agree with sandal Hat that we nee to see both of them max out before it can be stated as a fact.

Yamato- No explanation needed

Urahara- First of he caught ururus foot when she was in genocide mode without effort. You might just shrug this off, but she owned a seemingly vastoorode arrancar without effor until he released his zanpaktou. Aizen himself stated that Urahara has been experamenting with hollows. Showng that he could be a vaizard. He found a way to achive bankai in 3 days and I'm sure has been experamenting with ways to make himself stronger. You can say that Uliquirra was able to stop his attack. But that is like saying Ichigo broke through his sheild. Ichigo was obviously not at his level ( at leat notthen) yet he broke through it. Uliquirra breaking throught his attack means shit. Also Urahra was shocked. But thats probaley only because he was a very "mature" arrancar. That was even reported in SS to yama-jii. Implying that it is a big deal. I don't think he wa shocked be cause he broke it.

Yourichi- I consider her weaker than Urahara by a little. Withoutflash release she is at a normal captian level. And she was getting owned by soi fon. But after she used flash-release she owned soi fon with no effort whatsoever. In fact she didn't even touch her. You may argue that soi fon is just a captian while uliquirra is a seeminly zastoorode arrancar. But soi fon was also in flash release mode. Owning a flash-release captian without touching her is nothing to laughf at.

Isshin- Not much evidence. But he owned GF. Sure this is nothing compared to uliquirra or grimjaw. But this is obviously nothing to him. Also While in a gigai ichigo broke a binfding spell using pure reitsu. I would like to remind you where he got this reitsu from. His mom may have had been a shinigami, but not to isshins level. He is clearly normal captian level at least if not higher. And I would like to remind you that GF was feared before he was an arrancar. Being an arrancar nearly doubles his strengh.

Tessai- Perhaps more or less on uliquirra level. He used the 99th way of binding. Implying that he knows all the kidoh of binding before 99. I think tessai is more or less on uliquirra level.

Also if these people can't beat uliquirra then whos gonna save ichigo and rukia from Grimjaw? Perhaps the vaizard, but I believe vaizards = Urahara. He is obviously stronger than uliquirra. Judgin byhow uliquirra was so surprised from him talking. Might be wrong though.

And lets not forget that aizen was impressed. why do you thin that is? He didn't accomplish the goal he progganly set out to do. And if urahra was nothing to uliquirra than how does he know his name? Why else would aizen tell him his name? Also Uliquirra saying he can take them both means nothing. There is something called an ego. Thats like saying the black blade is not ichigos banaki because byakuya said it couldn't have had been.

[Zangetsu Tensa]

Urahara- First of he caught ururus foot when she was in genocide mode without effort. You might just shrug this off, but she owned a seemingly vastoorode arrancar without effor until he released his zanpaktou. Aizen himself stated that Urahara has been experamenting with hollows. Showng that he could be a vaizard. He found a way to achive bankai in 3 days and I'm sure has been experamenting with ways to make himself stronger. You can say that Uliquirra was able to stop his attack. But that is like saying Ichigo broke through his sheild. Ichigo was obviously not at his level ( at leat notthen) yet he broke through it. Uliquirra breaking throught his attack means shit. Also Urahra was shocked. But thats probaley only because he was a very "mature" arrancar. That was even reported in SS to yama-jii. Implying that it is a big deal. I don't think he wa shocked be cause he broke it.

Ulquiorra blocked Benihime's attack bare handed, and he claimed that he'd be able to take on both Urahara and Yoruichi at the same time. Urahara did not dispute this, nor did he attempt to persue Ulquiorra - he knew he was outmatched, it's as simple as that. Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou did NOT pierce Urahara's bloodmist shield - it only cracked it, it did not penetrate and Urahara was pretty much unharmed.

[Polygon]

Ulquiorra blocked Benihime's attack bare handed, and he claimed that he'd be able to take on both Urahara and Yoruichi at the same time. Urahara did not dispute this, nor did he attempt to persue Ulquiorra - he knew he was outmatched, it's as simple as that. Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou did NOT pierce Urahara's bloodmist shield - it only cracked it, it did not penetrate and Urahara was pretty much unharmed.

First of yes he blocked it bare-handed. But eduardo also stated that the body of an arrancar is extremley hard. So that a normal sword shouldn't be able to cut them.

why would Urahara prusue him? If he did and fought, then Ichigo would be placed in danger. It like that time when urahara was watching byakuya and renji rashing ichigo. If he interfired and byakuya escapd than SS wouls know of urahara where abouts. And if he killed them SS would have looked into it. Uliquirra going away guarnteed that Ichigo would't be harmed any further.

He broke the sheild. There was a crack. noughf said. It was just a compaision.

And he never said anything about beating urahra. He said the chances of you protecting your freind and surviving is not good. But don;\'t trust his word, he ran away. Even aizen was impressed. I don't uliquirra would run if ichigo was alone. nor do I think that aizen would have had been impresssed.

[ponsy]

I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out, but I'm quite confident that the strength of an Arrancar is at least loosely based on their number. Rukia was able to beat that first guy so easily because he was said to be the weakest of the Arracars that attacked, his number was 16. Ikkaku's Arrancar wasn't able to be defeated so easily as Rukia's, but that guy was #13, there is only a three number difference between thoes two, yet there was such a significant disparity between their strengths.
The Arrancar that Hitsugaya is fighting is number 11, so it's natural that the guy is AT LEAST a few folds stronger than Ikkaku's Arrancar.

My predictions: Now that Ururu is practically killed, Urahara will probably come out.
I also think that Ichigo will get owned by Grimjow, and someone will appear to save him. I'd put my money on either Isshin, Ishida, or Hirako.

[Jedi28]

I think either those two vizard kids will save him or Ichigo will use his Hollow side to try and protect Rukia.

[AznPoi]

Ururu will pull an Ichigo. I swear it. Or at least in my opinion. She going to pull out like a soul slayer and starts massacring that dude.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Ururu will pull an Ichigo. I swear it. Or at least in my opinion. She going to pull out like a soul slayer and starts massacring that dude.

Actually, I think Il Forte will just throw his head to the side and chuck her off his horn. With any luck she'll land in the trash...

[Ankoku]

What ever happened to that "Spatial Freezing" that Yumichika was requesting from SS? Wasn't that requested because he thought everyone of them was going to lose the battles because the Arancarr's power "exceeded all expectations"? So what ever it is, it's supposed to get all the shinigami out of danger, right?

Also, I really don't think we can say Urahara or Ulquiola is stronger than the other... since like someone said, we'll need more info on both of them... However:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/john258doe/ulquiolaownd.png
The above picture might settle some arguments...

Ulquiola DID stop Urahara's attack barehanded, but look how his hand's bleeding and all, so he does take some damage from the attack. Although he does say, "They're far behind your level..." Which doesn't say anything about his level.
[Edit]Ah, sorry, but it looks like the blood on Ulquiola's hand is from Punching Yami's bloodied stomach, >.<

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/john258doe/ulquiolaowning.png
In that picture, Ulquiola says that Urahara and Yoruichi will have a hard time while protecting their wounded comrades.

Though, it's strange, since can't Yoruichi just protect the wounded while Urahara goes all out on Ulquiola?

Last point, I don't think characters in Anime saying that "You have no chance against me" counts that much... In a lot of battles in Bleach, one character says something that means "You can't beat me", but it always turns out the other way... Like Ikaku vs. Ichigo, Kenpachi vs. Ichigo, Byakua vs. Ichigo, Yoruichi vs. Soi Fong... etc...

[Polygon]

You've brought up some good points Ankoku. Plus I noticed that he said We'll lose. Not only yami. Thats why I'm thinking that he was bluffing when he said he could take them bot. Either that or he has no idea of their power. I'll look into the chapter. Also if the blood was from punching yami wouldn't it only be on his fingers? and not his whole hand? And it seems to bme the blood is coming from the side. Could be wrong .

[Hits]

What ever happened to that "Spatial Freezing" that Yumichika was requesting from SS? Wasn't that requested because he thought everyone of them was going to lose the battles because the Arancarr's power "exceeded all expectations"? So what ever it is, it's supposed to get all the shinigami out of danger, right?

Also, I really don't think we can say Urahara or Ulquiola is stronger than the other... since like someone said, we'll need more info on both of them... However:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/john258doe/ulquiolaownd.png
The above picture might settle some arguments...

Ulquiola DID stop Urahara's attack barehanded, but look how his hand's bleeding and all, so he does take some damage from the attack. Although he does say, "They're far behind your level..." Which doesn't say anything about his level.
[Edit]Ah, sorry, but it looks like the blood on Ulquiola's hand is from Punching Yami's bloodied stomach, >.<

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/john258doe/ulquiolaowning.png
In that picture, Ulquiola says that Urahara and Yoruichi will have a hard time while protecting their wounded comrades.

Though, it's strange, since can't Yoruichi just protect the wounded while Urahara goes all out on Ulquiola?

Last point, I don't think characters in Anime saying that "You have no chance against me" counts that much... In a lot of battles in Bleach, one character says something that means "You can't beat me", but it always turns out the other way... Like Ikaku vs. Ichigo, Kenpachi vs. Ichigo, Byakua vs. Ichigo, Yoruichi vs. Soi Fong... etc...
Excellent post! Your logic is correct. It seems in bleach when all seems that a person will ose, the polar opposite will happen. I do think Urahara and Yoruichi is stronger then the vastoordes and vazairds but I don't think they will prove that point anytime soon.
I don't think Renji and Hitsugaya will lose. I think all the the baddiez except for grimjaw will be beaten. I rewatched anime ep 60 and I think that Hitsugaya's bankai's abilities is to freeze w.e it touches as we've seen with aizen and perhaps blast an explosion of ice onto his surrondings like he did when a sec after he released his bankai.

[Ankoku]

I would also like to note something about Urahara being a Vaizard.

The picture was too big to post, but from page 14 last panel to Page 16 of Chapter 188, Urahara's talking to Ishin about Aizen and the Arancarr.

From my translation, he says the following:

At this point, both friends and foes will take action against them (Aizen, Arancarr). Vaizards... Us... and... Soul Society.

From this passage, I was able to discern that there are four forces currently:

Aizen, the hollows (Meno, Ajucaru, Vastrrode), and the Arancarr (Hollows, including menos, ajucaru and vastrode who removed their masks to gain shinigami powers).

Urahara, Yoruichi, Ishin (Perhaps they are part of another secret group?)

Vaizards (Shinigami who gained hollow powers)

and Soul Society

The way Urahara said it, I don't think he's a Vaizard, since he said "Vaizards... us... and soul society" (Seperating him from the Vaizards). Though I wouldn't throw away all hope... this is a fictional story, and all it dependent upon the author.

[Sandal Hat]

I agree with everthing you said except Us could include Ichigo and friends because they have to fit in somewhere

[Ankoku]

I agree with everthing you said except Us could include Ichigo and friends because they have to fit in somewhere

Sorry about that, but I couldn't decide if Ichigo and friends should be with "Us" or SS, since technically Ichigo and Urahara are on the same side, but Urahara hasn't told Ichigo everything, as in every secret about his history (which I assume, Yoruichi and Isshin would know), and Ichigo also doesn't know about his dad...

So for now, I would say Ichigo's with SS, until he learns more about Urahara/Isshin/Yoruichi...

[Hits]

Could it be possible that when Urahara said that, he excluded Ichigo because well, compared to the rest of the gang(Urahara and co, vazairds and arrancars), his powers are small. But if that is not the case, Ichigo(Sado, Innoue) is probably apart of "us". I would think at some point, Rukia would be part of the "us" group instead of the SS group.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

I don't think Renji can beat his opponent. I think Hitsugaya MIGHT (I'd like to see him win...), but not against TWO of them (as Matsumoto is out already). I think that Urahara is going to take on Renji's opponent. If not, then maybe Tessai will actually do something. That'd be interesting, but I'd be a bit dissapointed if he could take down an arrancar.

[AznPoi]

sorry but who's Tessai? Darkness that picture of young Byakuya is pimp. I think renji is just going to get owned like always and someone comes and save his ass.

[Ankoku]

I think Tessai's pretty powerful... Didn't he use Restriction Spell 99 without incantation?

Argh, I hate it when Manga just skips few things without explanations... like Hitsugaya's fight, we don't know if he used his ability yet... or he simply took the first hit... We've seen Renji fight with his Bankai, so I don't think he'll win, but we haven't seen Hitsugaya attack...

[AznPoi]

OOOOOOOOOO I remember now. Tessai is that old big dude that hangs out with Uruhara. Could it be possible he's a former Vice-captain under Uruhara?

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

Tessai is the big guy at Urahara's shop. Thank you about the sig ^_^ Byakuya isn't young there, though... he's simply chibi. I got the pic of Byakuya from a wallpaper and somebody on here made it into a sig+avatar for me :)

Ankoku- Tessai seems to be pretty tough, but Restriction spells are probably MUCH easier to perform than destruction spells. You're correct in saying that it was sans incantation, though. Even with that, though... I'd be surprised if he could take one of these guys. Remember that this enemy is a vast-lord, not one of the weaker arrancar like Ikkaku fought.

That's a good point about Hitsugaya possibly just taking the first hit. I dunno... I think that the other guy may be more powerful, but Hitsugaya is a "boy genious", so he's got a chance. I'm rooting for him, anyways.

[Polygon]

Ururu owned him without effort until he released. And tessai was able to withstand the forse of her kick in genocide mode quite easily. He didn't even get bruised, at all. I think it reasonable that he can own him. Perhaps with some effort. But it won't be liike byakuya vs. Ichigo.

[Hits]

That's a good point about Hitsugaya possibly just taking the first hit. I dunno... I think that the other guy may be more powerful, but Hitsugaya is a "boy genious", so he's got a chance. I'm rooting for him, anyways.
I wuv you. <3 There is no way Hitsugaya can go down that easily. Unlike Renji, we haven't actually seen him attack yet and his bankai is way more developed then Renji's. We still don't know the MAIN ability of his bankai yet, only that it freezes everything the blade touches, but that can't be the main ability. It has something to do with the stars probably or something like a blast of explosion that freezes his surrondings.


About Ururu, now that I think about, she is probably something special. Urahara sent her down to kill Ichigo when he was going to transform into a hollow.

[AznPoi]

Well maybe 208 will tell his it's main ability. Maybe he can freeze people just by looking at them.

[Hits]

Well maybe 208 will tell his it's main ability. Maybe he can freeze people just by looking at them.
Lol, that'd be crazy!

[Polygon]

I'm sorry But hitsugaya doen't stand a chance. He is giting something out of his leage. 10 of those things can theoraticcly take down SS. They are toying with the shinigami.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

Tessai stopped her kick while she was in Genocide mode? Where?

Anyways, keep in mind that Ururu surprised this guy... he THOUGHT he was about to finish off Renji. Also, I think Tessai's greatest asset is probably his durability.

[AznPoi]

Ya Hitsugaya has to get saved by Isshin. Because Hitsugaya rised to power too soon. It is implied he recently only became a captain. Now recently might mean 10-20 years in SS but still he's nowhere near as experienced as the other captains who has like hundreds even thousands of years of experience.

[Polygon]

Tessai stopped her kick while she was in Genocide mode? Where?

Anyways, keep in mind that Ururu surprised this guy... he THOUGHT he was about to finish off Renji. Also, I think Tessai's greatest asset is probably his durability.

HE didn't stop her foot, that was urahara. He caught ichigo when she kicked him. He wasn't even phased. Plus he went through solid rock from the force of the kick.

When you're that strong you don't simply get "caught of gaurd". She owned him. If she really did catch him off gaurd he wouldv'e finished her after she kicked him.

And he is toying with renji.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

Just because he has less experience than the others doesn't neccessarily mean that he is weaker. Ichigo is 15, and incredibly powerful.

Also, Soi Fong hasn't been a captain for long.

EDIT: He did own her, once he was over the surprise.

[Polygon]

Just because he has less experience than the others doesn't neccessarily mean that he is weaker. Ichigo is 15, and incredibly powerful.

Ichigo is a special case. Hitsugaya is not weak by any means. But this is a hybrid vastoorode. At his current level he can't do anything against one.

EDIT: He did own her, once he was over the surprise.

AFTER he releleased. He was being murdered by her until he released.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

I wouldn't say he is powerless against the vast-lord. He is most certainly at a lower power level, but I'm counting on him outsmarting Shaw (kind of like he did against Gin when he froze his arm). I think he may stand a chance as long as Shaw doesn't release his zankputou.

Again, I think the other guy was really surprised by Ururu. He sounded a bit like the school bully when the school geek slaps him ("Did YOU just hit ME? I can't believe you ****ing did that!"- That sorta thing). I think that he could have taken her without releasing his zankputou, but was so pissed off that he decided to.

[ultimate]

AFTER he releleased. He was being murdered by her until he released. i think that arankaru guy [btw, wats his name?...] was most likely caught off guard cos he was about to finish off renji and wasnt really expecting anything, then released his soul slayer in anger probably, not cos he couldnt kill ururu without releasing

Edit: damn, Darkness_becomes (me), you posted before me... i posted almost the exact same thing... oh well

[Polygon]

He couldn't do that. He had many chances to hit her back, but he didn't. Also how would he get caught of gaurd? When you are that strong you become aware of everything in your surruondings. he knew something was coming before it hit his face.

[AznPoi]

dude Ururu is probably going to take that sword and crush it. Then she gets to save Renji 's ass since he has a habit of getting own by everyone he fights.

[Hits]

Did Ururu kick Ichigo in Genocide mode? I thought she was simply ordered to kill Ichigo by Urahara because he was transforming into a hollow...

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

What are you talking about? She was freaking impaled by the arrancar's horn! Have you even read this chapter?

EDIT: Directed towards AznPoi.

[Sir_unforgiven]

Did Ururu kick Ichigo in Genocide mode? I thought she was simply ordered to kill Ichigo by Urahara because he was transforming into a hollow...
she wasn't in massacre mode until ichigo punched her, then she wigged out(during lesson 1 of him getting his shinigami powers back)

What are you talking about? She was freaking impaled by the arrancar's horn! Have you even read this chapter?

EDIT: Directed towards AznPoi.
true, but honestly i wouldn't be THAT surprised if she survived i mean she does seem to be rather...not human! on a side note i do think she could have taken him if he hadn't released his sword

[Undying]

Nahh, he's an Arrancar, and they are stronger than Shinigami of Captain rank, and I doubt she is captain level (since Urahara caught her kick, and he's captain level, and he wasn't even trying... but he's a special case).
Though yuo know, now that Renji saw a kid (well, she isn't a normal kid, but he doesn't know it...) he'll probably go all out and we might, just might, see him own his opponent (for once!) ;).
Hitsugaya... well, I just don't know. I mean we did saw Matsumoto down and all, and he bleeding and that Arrancar isn't even trying, and he's against 2 of them and all, but Matsumoto is an experienced VC, and Hitsugaya is a genius, sooo.... Maybe they'll pull through somehow (even Ikkaku ended up half dead, and it won't surprise me if ggod old "Boy-Genius" ends up the same.

[AznPoi]

@darkness
yes i have, i know she have been impaled but this is bleach and this is the end of the chapter. We might be led to to think that Ururu is down for the count.

[mottesheard]

I really like Ururu, and I hope she's ok, but I seriously don't know how she's going to be able to survive such an impaling unless she doesn't need organs. I mean, damn that horn was brutal on her.

[Hits]

Nahh, he's an Arrancar, and they are stronger than Shinigami of Captain rank, and I doubt she is captain level (since Urahara caught her kick, and he's captain level, and he wasn't even trying... but he's a special case).

Urahara is probably beyond Captain class...I would say that Ururu would put up a good fight with Yachiru.

[Ankoku]

I hear a lot of people saying that Illforte is a vastrrode-hybrid... To my knowledge, I didn't know that there were Vastrrode-hybrid, or that Illforte said he was one...

How do we know that Illforte's a vastrrode? I mean, we see that he's unimaginably powerful, but I think, if he was a vastrrode-hybrid... it spells d-o-o-m even if Urahara, Yoruichi and Ishin got there, since, well.. Hitsugaya said that even 10 Vastrrode (non-hybrids) were huge threat to Soul Society.

[flam3z]

Well said .

Ilforte doesn't seem 2 be that strong 2 being with . At least not when it's compared 2 his peers ( Ulquiora , Grimjaw ) .

If he's a Vastroode hybrid , then I dun think it's that much of a prob for SS .

But wutever it might be , I dun think we've actually seen a Vastroode hybrid yet . Even if we did , I think the only person capable of being one is Ulquiora . N perhaps Grimjaw , though I doubt it .

[Sir_unforgiven]

no i'm pretty sure grimjaw or ulquiuiuiu are one of them , and bull guy and the one hitsugaya are fighting have a high chance of being ones too since they are both using their bankai's and getting owned even though the hollows havn't even released yet

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

I think that the first 8 are Vast-lords. There was a list (unnofficial, but it made a lot of sense) somewhere... the bull guy is one, as are Grimmjaw, Shaw (the one Hitsugaya is fighting), and Ulquiuiui.

The bull guy is owning Renji, and Renji should be slightly below captain level. Hell, I think he's got a chance against a few of them. Byakuya took him down, but he's had a bit of time to train since then, and Byakuya is a very strong captain.... and the bull guy didn't even release his zankputou against Renji.

I agree with whoever said that Ururu should be about Yuchiri's level.

[tednfs]

i think shauron 11th arrancar is a vastorode hybrid
he's not even sweating
against hitsaguya's bankai
also Ulquiuiui and grimmjay
according to the list which makes a lot of sense as stated in the post above

[Dragon of Darknes blade]

I may be completly wrong bu my guess is that Orihime might actually become helpfull and aid Hitsugaya.......
(<_<)
(>_>)......
What? mabey it will happen :sad:

[InuRukia]

I have a feeling that hitsugaya has something up his sleeve that we dont know about.
I think that hitsu is gonna come out with something huge and kill them all.

[Ankoku]

I may be completly wrong bu my guess is that Orihime might actually become helpfull and aid Hitsugaya.......
(<_<)
(>_>)......
What? mabey it will happen :sad:

I would love to see Orihime actually use an offensive spell that does some massive damage... since everyone who met her so far were surprised by her abilities...

[Hits]

I may be completly wrong bu my guess is that Orihime might actually become helpfull and aid Hitsugaya.......
(<_<)
(>_>)......
What? mabey it will happen :sad:
Oh my...I've completely forgot about Orihime! I think she might pull some spectacular, like a badass healing spell for Hitsugaya!

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

The list says that Il Forte and Shaw Long are adjuca hybrids. The former's release even supports this. Both him and Eduardo said that their zanpaku-to's show their true forms. Whether or not this is a reflection of their spirit or their former hollow form is up to debate, but it could go either way. Honestly, I think it's a suped version of the latter.

[Dragon of Darknes blade]

Exacly, Orihime might actually be willing to fight and help Hitsugaya. (^_^)

[Jedi28]

I would love to see Orihime actually use an offensive spell that does some massive damage... since everyone who met her so far were surprised by her abilities...

Do you think she'll pop out a killing resolve to save Hitsugaya when she couldn't even do it to save Ishida and herself in SS? Would be nice for her to stop being a liability though. She'd probably do it for Ichigo.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

I don't think Orihime would use a destructive spell... but she may revive Hitsugaya or something.

[Jedi28]

Yeah, but would the bad guy be nice enough to wait and let her do it? Hitsugaya would have to defeat him, THEN collapse and then Orhiame could heal him.

[InuRukia]

or orihime could be killed by rukia and we could all be happy!

[Undying]

That will be bad (I'm tottaly IchixInoue) but right now, Rukia is as useless as Inoue (she's unconcious if not dead) and Inoue... well, she could always show Shaw a bit of skin... (that was a joke) honestly, I'm more for the reinforcments theory. Either the Vaizards or other Shinigami should come and help Hitus/Renji. Or maybe Ichigo we beat Grimmjaw (how? well... you think about the rest) and save everyone.
To the guy who sayd Ilforte will be a problem for Urahara+Youroichi+Isshin... YOU ARE NUTS! (sorry for using capitals, but that pissed me off! :-| Urahara alone should be able to beat this guy, even if he has to go BanKai and bleed a bit. If you join him with Youroichi then this guy has no chance. Join Isshin and there's a big sign saying: "You Are Dead. Please Contact A Shinigami For Directions to Soul Society." there is no way for Ilforte to survive the three of them, plus Renji's still there, he might prove useful.. for once.

[thepolia]

I really don't like how Rukia is <i>portrayed</i> as stronger than Hitsugaya, Renji and Ikkaku at the moment. She destroyed a vastrode in one single hit while the others are battling like hell. I know the vastrode she killed is supposed to be the weakest, but bear in mind how she couldn't even kill a simple hollow in the first chapter... I think this has gone a bit too far.

And... Kubo Tite must hate Hitsugaya a lot =/ He's always giving him a bad time...

[Jedi28]

When Ichigo was getting his powers back with Urahara WAY back when, he had to fight Uruyu (or however you spell her name). When he barely scratches her doesn't she go into homicidal mode or something? I was wondering if her reaction to being hurt was to go berserker. Then, having been stabbed through, mabe she'll go super berserker. Assuming she lives long enough of course. Just a theory. I don't know that she'll die only because no one has died yet and I'm not sure it'll start now. Especially since you'd just to to Soul Society.

[jonat3]

I really don't like how Rukia is <i>portrayed</i> as stronger than Hitsugaya, Renji and Ikkaku at the moment. She destroyed a vastrode in one single hit while the others are battling like hell. I know the vastrode she killed is supposed to be the weakest, but bear in mind how she couldn't even kill a simple hollow in the first chapter... I think this has gone a bit too far.

And... Kubo Tite must hate Hitsugaya a lot =/ He's always giving him a bad time...

Deroy CAN'T be a vastoorodes. He's too weak to be one. A vastoorodes would atleast need bankai to beat one and rukia only used shikai. Her defeat by Grimmjow was to illustrate how weak she really was AND to demonstrate how the power of the arrancar vary greatly.

[Ankoku]

To the guy who sayd Ilforte will be a problem for Urahara+Youroichi+Isshin... YOU ARE NUTS! (sorry for using capitals, but that pissed me off! :-| Urahara alone should be able to beat this guy, even if he has to go BanKai and bleed a bit. If you join him with Youroichi then this guy has no chance. Join Isshin and there's a big sign saying: "You Are Dead. Please Contact A Shinigami For Directions to Soul Society." there is no way for Ilforte to survive the three of them, plus Renji's still there, he might prove useful.. for once.
Oh, sorry about that, but I think you misunderstood me. I said IF Illforte was a Vastrrode-Hybrid, Urahara + Yoruichi + Isshin would have a hard time dealing with him.

[Fariswheel]

Deroy CAN'T be a vastoorodes. He's too weak to be one. A vastoorodes would atleast need bankai to beat one and rukia only used shikai. Her defeat by Grimmjow was to illustrate how weak she really was AND to demonstrate how the power of the arrancar vary greatly.

Although I agree that Deroy is not even close to a vast lord, I think that Rukia is not really weak. She might not be as strong as the captains and vice-captains, but I would still say she is one of the more powerful shinigame,espicially out of thoughs not seated.

[jonat3]

Although I agree that Deroy is not even close to a vast lord, I think that Rukia is not really weak. She might not be as strong as the captains and vice-captains, but I would still say she is one of the more powerful shinigame,espicially out of thoughs not seated.

She's probably around VC level, i think. But no way in hell is she captain level.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

That will be bad (I'm tottaly IchixInoue) but right now, Rukia is as useless as Inoue (she's unconcious if not dead) and Inoue... well, she could always show Shaw a bit of skin... (that was a joke) honestly, I'm more for the reinforcments theory. Either the Vaizards or other Shinigami should come and help Hitus/Renji. Or maybe Ichigo we beat Grimmjaw (how? well... you think about the rest) and save everyone.
To the guy who sayd Ilforte will be a problem for Urahara+Youroichi+Isshin... YOU ARE NUTS! (sorry for using capitals, but that pissed me off! :-| Urahara alone should be able to beat this guy, even if he has to go BanKai and bleed a bit. If you join him with Youroichi then this guy has no chance. Join Isshin and there's a big sign saying: "You Are Dead. Please Contact A Shinigami For Directions to Soul Society." there is no way for Ilforte to survive the three of them, plus Renji's still there, he might prove useful.. for once.
Dee Roy was not a vasteroode. He's one of the lower-class hollow hybrids (even lower than the one that Ikkaku fought). Ill Forte is most certainly much stronger than any of the other arrancar that have be defeated. I believe he is a vasteroode, and I think that he could take Urahara down. Probably Yourichi, too... if nothing else, they'd be hurt pretty bad.

[Fariswheel]

She's probably around VC level, i think. But no way in hell is she captain level.

Agreed, but anyone who is normal vice captain level would have their ass handed to them. Look at Renji who has Bankai and was getting owned.

[jonat3]

I consider Renji to be captain level, even though he can't control his bankai well yet. Rukia is probably not the strongest VC, but i admit her ability is powerful.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

I think Renji COULD be considered captain level. I think there are some captains he'd give a good run against. Besides, there's supposed to be a HUGE gap between captains and vice captains, and there's not a HUGE gap between Renji and most of the captains.

[Bankai_Zangetsu]

how long does it take for a new chapter in the manga to come out .. bout a week like the anime ?

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Agreed, but anyone who is normal vice captain level would have their ass handed to them. Look at Renji who has Bankai and was getting owned.

Matsumoto is a perfect example of this. She's considered a powerful VC by most people I know and she got her ass handed to her by Nakim. He probably just backhanded her and that was the end of the fight. :LOL:

[Bankai_Zangetsu]

lol everytime i see matsumoto i cant see her as strong just cuz alot of characters with golden globes like hers ( tits ) just tend to be weak. its always hard for me to imagine the hot chick bein the strong one.

[Fariswheel]

how long does it take for a new chapter in the manga to come out .. bout a week like the anime ?


Yes, about a week.

[captain_soifon]

this looks like a pretty cool chapter, who the hell knew ururu was like captin level SHEEEIT!, also it also looks like the only one who is gonna win his fight is ikkaku haha gooooo ikkaku!
dunno if this has been bought up but captains gt 5x weaker wen they go to earth, well according to renji

[Ichigo_2005]

I believe that Earth limits the reiatsu of people, therefore, making Ururu and everyone else 5 times weaker. It might be because of the spiritrons.

[Darkness_becomes (me)]

Nonono, you guys have it wrong. Renji says that when shinigami of Vice Captain level or above go into the living world they have their reitsu limited (and yes, it is limited to roughly 1/5). It's not because of the earth itself, but it is so they don't cause too much of a disturbance. I think that, because of the mission the shinigami are on, they didn't have their power limited this time. If they did, Dee Roy would have been trouble.

And Shaw would be able to murder all of them. Who knows, though... he may be able to do that already.

[ponsy]

I think Renji COULD be considered captain level. I think there are some captains he'd give a good run against. Besides, there's supposed to be a HUGE gap between captains and vice captains, and there's not a HUGE gap between Renji and most of the captains.

Renji could only be considered captain-level at this point in time because Soul Society is short on captains. He is no doubt stronger than most VC, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he can give a good run against some captains.
When he faught Bayakuya, he couldn't even scratch him. And there isn't enough of a comparison(non that is valid at least) of Renji against another captain that has shown Renji to be as strong as a captain.

We can't compare Renji's fight to Hitsugaya's fight until we know the number of Renji's Arrancar, aside from Bayakuya, there is no other captain that we can accurately compare Renji to.

[Undying]

Renji could only be considered captain-level at this point in time because Soul Society is short on captains. He is no doubt stronger than most VC, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he can give a good run against some captains.
When he faught Bayakuya, he couldn't even scratch him. And there isn't enough of a comparison(non that is valid at least) of Renji against another captain that has shown Renji to be as strong as a captain.
We can't compare Renji's fight to Hitsugaya's fight until we know the number of Renji's Arrancar, aside from Bayakuya, there is no other captain that we can accurately compare Renji to.

True, but not entirely. We can compare him to Kenpachi, and that would be... Don't bother to ask, Ichigo's the only one ever to beat Kenpachi.

Oh, sorry about that, but I think you misunderstood me. I said IF Illforte was a Vastrrode-Hybrid, Urahara + Yoruichi + Isshin would have a hard time dealing with him.

Sorry, I really did misunderstand. But, well, I still think that even if he was a Vastorode he would be a problem for them. Think on it, all three of the are more than captain level (Urahara for sure, Isshin beat GF with a single swing, that is something, even if GF wasn't a perfect Arrancar), about Youroichi, I don't really know, but it seems logical that she'd be stronger than most captains (remember, she was a lot faster than Byakuya with Ichigo - how much does he weight? 70? 80? plus Zangatsu's weight).

BTW, it can't be that Renji's captain level because he is yet unable to completly control his BanKai yet. I assume that controlling BanKai is a the most important prerequisit to becoming a captain (if you can't fight right, whats the point?).

[ChatroomFascist]

He was stunned? Didn't seem to be like he thought it was a big deal. Trust me, Urahara can whoop any arrancars butt. Same with Yamato, yourichi and isshin. Plus, Urahara is a character that has to be stronger than ichigo until the very end. And I'm pretty sure catching her kick was not something uliquirra can do so easily. Even Tessai would own him.

Just to Give you an Idea of how much this post bothered me... I made an account just now, so that I could respond to it.
Alright then.

Number One: Shihouin Yoruichi is NOT all that powerful in comparison to the Arrancar. Mainly, she has no Zanpaku-Tou to speak of(Soi Fong has hers, remember?). Not only that, but she wounded herself just from kicking that weakling Arrancar Yamii. Ulquiorra would crush her. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was to Grimjaw what Grimjaw was to Deeroy. Lets face it here: without a Zanpaku-Tou, Yoruichi is outclassed.

Number Two: I doubt Tessai could even come close to beating Yoruichi in a fight. That said, if you dont see what that has to do with anything, read number one.

Number Three: Wide eyes typically signify that the character thinks its a big deal. As do exclamation points. Especially when the character rarely shows signs of surprise to begin with. If I were to rate Urahara's strength, I wouldn't doubt that he would be on par with Kuchiki Byakuya, perhaps a bit stronger. I doubt he would be able to walk through the Arrancar as easily as you suggest.

While I'm at it, I'd just like to note that I doubt any of the 'Good Guys' will die. Of course, I hope they don't die(Especially Ururu, since I don't have to worry about Ikkaku anymore). But the fact remains that no matter how mutilated anyone gets, for some reason they never die. I can count on one hand how many important characters have died throughout the entire manga(Although I don't typically like to count with my thumb), and they were all dead from the start anyway. Although, I'm not sure how Tsubaki could possibly recover after crumbling to pieces as he did.

I would also like to remind those people that say that Soul Society needed to send more Captains and VCs, that they're really short on Captains to begin with. Three turned traitor(Aizen, Tousen, Gin), one is usually sick(Ukitake), two are extremely unreliable(Kurotsuchi, Zaraki), and one is in the Living World(Hitsugaya). That leaves a total of 6 reliable Captains. 7, I guess, in a combat situation. It would be a bad idea to send any more Captains out.

Alright, just a few more notes. I'm noticing alot of you mentioning the surprise factor that Ururu got on Illforte.
That's all well and good except that after her first kick, the surprise factor wore off. Even then, she grabbed him by the neck and followed up with a punch. At this point, surprise should have worn off. Illforte isnt a rookie fighter. Not only that, but after two strikes from her, Illforte looked something like Renji did after Byakuya unleashed his Bankai all over him. After her display of power, Ururu just jumped from 'One' of my favorite characters to my second favorite character.

Just another quick note: I don't think that the Arrancar's numbers indicate strength. Deeroy was the 16th, and Rukia didn't even break a sweat. Eduardo was the 18th, and he nearly killed Ikkaku. And just to illustrate a point: Ikkaku > Rukia

And, my last point: How come, after estimating that there were only 10 Arrancar and saying that 10 more would be the doom of Soul Society... No one is surprised when The Arrancar title themselves as 'The 16th' and 'The 18th'.

[captain_soifon]

huh? serious? soifon has her zanpaku-tu?

[Undying]

Just to Give you an Idea of how much this post bothered me... I made an account just now, so that I could respond to it.
Alright then.

Number One: Shihouin Yoruichi is NOT all that powerful in comparison to the Arrancar. Mainly, she has no Zanpaku-Tou to speak of(Soi Fong has hers, remember?). Not only that, but she wounded herself just from kicking that weakling Arrancar Yamii. Ulquiorra would crush her. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was to Grimjaw what Grimjaw was to Deeroy. Lets face it here: without a Zanpaku-Tou, Yoruichi is outclassed.

Number Two: I doubt Tessai could even come close to beating Yoruichi in a fight. That said, if you dont see what that has to do with anything, read number one.

Number Three: Wide eyes typically signify that the character thinks its a big deal. As do exclamation points. Especially when the character rarely shows signs of surprise to begin with. If I were to rate Urahara's strength, I wouldn't doubt that he would be on par with Kuchiki Byakuya, perhaps a bit stronger. I doubt he would be able to walk through the Arrancar as easily as you suggest.

While I'm at it, I'd just like to note that I doubt any of the 'Good Guys' will die. Of course, I hope they don't die(Especially Ururu, since I don't have to worry about Ikkaku anymore). But the fact remains that no matter how mutilated anyone gets, for some reason they never die. I can count on one hand how many important characters have died throughout the entire manga(Although I don't typically like to count with my thumb), and they were all dead from the start anyway. Although, I'm not sure how Tsubaki could possibly recover after crumbling to pieces as he did.

I would also like to remind those people that say that Soul Society needed to send more Captains and VCs, that they're really short on Captains to begin with. Three turned traitor(Aizen, Tousen, Gin), one is usually sick(Ukitake), two are extremely unreliable(Kurotsuchi, Zaraki), and one is in the Living World(Hitsugaya). That leaves a total of 6 reliable Captains. 7, I guess, in a combat situation. It would be a bad idea to send any more Captains out.

Alright, just a few more notes. I'm noticing alot of you mentioning the surprise factor that Ururu got on Illforte.
That's all well and good except that after her first kick, the surprise factor wore off. Even then, she grabbed him by the neck and followed up with a punch. At this point, surprise should have worn off. Illforte isnt a rookie fighter. Not only that, but after two strikes from her, Illforte looked something like Renji did after Byakuya unleashed his Bankai all over him. After her display of power, Ururu just jumped from 'One' of my favorite characters to my second favorite character.

Just another quick note: I don't think that the Arrancar's numbers indicate strength. Deeroy was the 16th, and Rukia didn't even break a sweat. Eduardo was the 18th, and he nearly killed Ikkaku. And just to illustrate a point: Ikkaku > Rukia

And, my last point: How come, after estimating that there were only 10 Arrancar and saying that 10 more would be the doom of Soul Society... No one is surprised when The Arrancar title themselves as 'The 16th' and 'The 18th'.

You just gave me something to talk about! I'm grateful! Now, to clear some points:
1st. Shihouin Youroichi is this strong in comparison. Remember, sh was not in Flash Release mode. Besides, the Arrancar have this Ierro (SP?) thing, so it's like armor. That explains the wounds.

2nd. Urahara will own Byakuya no time (that's something coming from me, I'm the Byakuya fan). This is because of : (1)Urahara has probably found some way to increase his own strengh (it wouldn't surprise me if he is a Vaizard, though I doubt it) , (2) we haven't seen him release BanKai yet, and we are completly igorat as to how strong he *really* is (remmeber that Ulquarra said "this pair is Urahara Kiskuke and Sinhouin Youroichi"? well, someone here mentioned that he wouldn't have botherd putting them this way if they were trash).

3rd. About Ulquarra being to Yami what Grimmjaw is to Deeroy, it is impossible. Why? Cause Deeroy is no higher than Gillian class. He's soooo weak, Ichigo would have not needed to even release BanKai, while aginst Yami he had to release his BanKai (and then he owned him).

4th. I doubt people meant send the Captains in the scouting force, I think they meant as reinforcments. If they have meant send them originally, then I totally agree with (also, can you imagine Byakuya in a school uniform? I can't).

5th. Finally, Ururu did surprise Ilforte, But like you said, the surprise wore off. I personally presume that he thought she was weak, so he had nothing to be afraid of (and then he realesed Del Toro and...).

Finally, I'd like to say I totally agree with you about Tessai. He is weak! Understand, everyone? If he was this strong, why not just send him out? Sure, he can do Kidou, but hey, he wasn't able to hold HollowIchi with the Bakudou, and I imagine that Hadou's are based of on your strengh (compare: Rukia's "Byakurai" in the beginning - when she was powersless - to Byakuya's against Ichigo. Need more proof?).

[ChatroomFascist]

huh? serious? soifon has her zanpaku-tu?Notice that throughout the entire battle against Soi Fong, Yoruichi had never drawn a blade(I dont count the concealed throwing knife. Thats no Zanpaku-Tou. And if it is, its infinitely more worthless than Renji's apparently is)?Soi Fong also made the comment that she was able to master a technique with Suzumebachi that Yoruichi had never even been able to learn.

You just gave me something to talk about! I'm grateful! Now, to clear some points:
1st. Shihouin Youroichi is this strong in comparison. Remember, sh was not in Flash Release mode. Besides, the Arrancar have this Ierro (SP?) thing, so it's like armor. That explains the wounds.

2nd. Urahara will own Byakuya no time (that's something coming from me, I'm the Byakuya fan). This is because of : (1)Urahara has probably found some way to increase his own strengh (it wouldn't surprise me if he is a Vaizard, though I doubt it) , (2) we haven't seen him release BanKai yet, and we are completly igorat as to how strong he *really* is (remmeber that Ulquarra said "this pair is Urahara Kiskuke and Sinhouin Youroichi"? well, someone here mentioned that he wouldn't have botherd putting them this way if they were trash).

3rd. About Ulquarra being to Yami what Grimmjaw is to Deeroy, it is impossible. Why? Cause Deeroy is no higher than Gillian class. He's soooo weak, Ichigo would have not needed to even release BanKai, while aginst Yami he had to release his BanKai (and then he owned him).

4th. I doubt people meant send the Captains in the scouting force, I think they meant as reinforcments. If they have meant send them originally, then I totally agree with (also, can you imagine Byakuya in a school uniform? I can't).

5th. Finally, Ururu did surprise Ilforte, But like you said, the surprise wore off. I personally presume that he thought she was weak, so he had nothing to be afraid of (and then he realesed Del Toro and...).

Finally, I'd like to say I totally agree with you about Tessai. He is weak! Understand, everyone? If he was this strong, why not just send him out? Sure, he can do Kidou, but hey, he wasn't able to hold HollowIchi with the Bakudou, and I imagine that Hadou's are based of on your strengh (compare: Rukia's "Byakurai" in the beginning - when she was powersless - to Byakuya's against Ichigo. Need more proof?).
Hey, I'm glad I could spark your interest. Heres some rebuttals, to keep it going.

Argument Vs. 1st Point: Yoruichi had stated that she didnt have full control over her "Flash Mode," so even if she was using her powers to their fullest extent, Theres no telling how quickly she would burn out or if she would lose control. Having only her appendages as effective weapons, the Arrancar's Hierro could become a recurring problem. She could wreck her body attacking the Arrancar repeatedly.

Argument Vs. 2nd Point: Ulquiora did mention the duo with an amount of respect, of course. Both Urahara and Yoruichi are extremely powerful. But even more so because they have years of experience fighting alongside each other. If Kuchiki Byakuya was standing there in their place, Ulquiorra would likely say the same about him. The problem with Byakuya is that he seems to be more of a loner in combat, which places him at a disadvantage. I can't really gauge which is stronger, but in my opinion Byakuya's Shikai seems much more powerful than Benihime's.

Argument Vs. 3rd Point: I said Ulquiora was to Grimjaw, not Yami. Saying sort of helps your point, and it may or may not be an exaggeration on my part. However, remember back when Sado was fighting Shunsui that he was amazed by the absurd difference in power between the 3rd seat and the Captain, which was only two ranks higher. The same principle probably applies with the Arrancar. Each Arrancar is most likely exponentially stronger than the last. Also, I think you might be underestimating Deeroy a bit. He was incredibly weak, but thats in comparison to other Arrancar. And Ichigo didn't NEED to use his Ban-Kai against Yamii, he was simply angered by seeing Sado's broken form and went Ban-Kai without really hesitating. By the looks of it, Yamii and Deeroy probably werent too far off on the power scale.

Not an Argument Vs. 4th Point: I saw a few people mentioning placing the Captains in the original group, although most were speaking of the Reinforcements. Honestly though, I don't see the reinforcement thing happening any time soon.

(Sorta) Argument Vs. 5th Point: For seeing her as weak, he was getting really frustrated and angered. I would go so far as to say that he seemed worried. He certainly didnt hesitate to release his Shikai after taking two hits from her.

[Undying]

Hey, I'm glad I could spark your interest. Heres some rebuttals, to keep it going.

Argument Vs. 1st Point: Yoruichi had stated that she didnt have full control over her "Flash Mode," so even if she was using her powers to their fullest extent, Theres no telling how quickly she would burn out or if she would lose control. Having only her appendages as effective weapons, the Arrancar's Hierro could become a recurring problem. She could wreck her body attacking the Arrancar repeatedly.

Argument Vs. 2nd Point: Ulquiora did mention the duo with an amount of respect, of course. Both Urahara and Yoruichi are extremely powerful. But even more so because they have years of experience fighting alongside each other. If Kuchiki Byakuya was standing there in their place, Ulquiorra would likely say the same about him. The problem with Byakuya is that he seems to be more of a loner in combat, which places him at a disadvantage. I can't really gauge which is stronger, but in my opinion Byakuya's Shikai seems much more powerful than Benihime's.

Argument Vs. 3rd Point: I said Ulquiora was to Grimjaw, not Yami. Saying sort of helps your point, and it may or may not be an exaggeration on my part. However, remember back when Sado was fighting Shunsui that he was amazed by the absurd difference in power between the 3rd seat and the Captain, which was only two ranks higher. The same principle probably applies with the Arrancar. Each Arrancar is most likely exponentially stronger than the last. Also, I think you might be underestimating Deeroy a bit. He was incredibly weak, but thats in comparison to other Arrancar. And Ichigo didn't NEED to use his Ban-Kai against Yamii, he was simply angered by seeing Sado's broken form and went Ban-Kai without really hesitating. By the looks of it, Yamii and Deeroy probably werent too far off on the power scale.

Not an Argument Vs. 4th Point: I saw a few people mentioning placing the Captains in the original group, although most were speaking of the Reinforcements. Honestly though, I don't see the reinforcement thing happening any time soon.

(Sorta) Argument Vs. 5th Point: For seeing her as weak, he was getting really frustrated and angered. I would go so far as to say that he seemed worried. He certainly didnt hesitate to release his Shikai after taking two hits from her.

Hmmm, my reaction:
1st Argument: Yeah, Youroichi did say she did not have full control over Flash Release, but there are two things about this that make me argure: (1)Youroichi told Urahara later that she should have switched into "Flash Mode" in order to beat Yami (2) I doubt that Youroichi is unable to control the Flash Release to such an extent that she would fear losing control. I think that she wouldn't have been able to control Shunko only if she was seriously wounded.

2nd Argument: Really? Look, both Benihime and Zangetsu have something in common - theire ShiKai fires a blast of energy. Note that Zangetsu crushed SenbonZakura's ShiKai in a single shot. I doubt Urahara would be unable to do the same. Also, how Byakuya being a loner would place him in disadvantage?

3rd Argument: I recall this being only a numeric depiction, not strengh levels. After all, Grimmjaw is (or at least should be, according to Ju-Ni) a Vast-Lord, and I think that Ulquarra is too. I agree that between the Ajuuca and the Vast-Lords there is a huge strengh gap, but between the Vast-Lords? No, I don't think so.

4th Argument (well, not really, since we both agree on the point: Yeah, I saw the posts that said they should have sent more Captains originally. I will say it again. Can you imagine Byakuya/Shinsui/Ukitake/Soi-Fong in a school uniform? I can't.

5th Argument (at least partially): I agree that Ilforte was angry, maybr flustered, but he didn't seem worried. More like amazed. Kinda like:"WTF? That little B***h is beating me? (beating in a meaning of hitting, not defeating). I think that in the long run, he'd have beaten her.

Wow, I made the same order of arguments as you... It was easier to answer this way! :LOL:

[jonat3]

According to Aizen, a shinigami's skills fall within 4 areas. Swordskills, hand skills, foot skills and demon arts. Some people have stronger talents in one area than the other. A master in hand skills could take on a master in sword skills.

Now, Ichigo's skills are more in swordskills first and footskills second. Soi Fong's skills are in hand and foot skills first and swordskills second. Yoruichi seems to have only skills in hand and foot skills. Yoruichi did have a zanpakutou in the past, but it doesn't seem she wants to use it or perhaps she simply CAN'T use it, cause her skills in swordskills may completely suck.

However, if Yoruichi has no skills in one area, does this mean she's weak? No. If she has no skills in one area, but has superior skills in another area or more, she can probably even beat someone in bankai mode without possessing bankai herself.

[Undying]

Jonat, no one said Youroichi is weak. We were debating whether or not she'll beat an Arrancar (because of the Hierro and the rest of the duscussion is in the above posts).

[jonat3]

Jonat, no one said Youroichi is weak. We were debating whether or not she'll beat an Arrancar (because of the Hierro and the rest of the duscussion is in the above posts).

Chatroomfascist certainly made it sound that she was weak, simply because she doesn't have a zanpakutou. I say having a zanpakutou is not all there is to a shinigami's strength.

[thepolia]

Arrancar... Vastrodes... Vaizards... man I'm confused ~_~

I know this question is probably being asked for a lot of times... but if Rukia is so strong, why couldn't she beat that hollow in the very beginning of the story?

And I remember Renji saying that when they go to the living world, they greatly limit their power so not to affect the living... Although they've released Bankai, are they still limiting their power? Coz no one seems to be harmed by their reiatsu

[Polygon]

Just to Give you an Idea of how much this post bothered me... I made an account just now, so that I could respond to it.
Alright then.

Just so you know. I posed another post that exoplained my reasons.

Number One: Shihouin Yoruichi is NOT all that powerful in comparison to the Arrancar. Mainly, she has no Zanpaku-Tou to speak of(Soi Fong has hers, remember?). Not only that, but she wounded herself just from kicking that weakling Arrancar Yamii. Ulquiorra would crush her. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was to Grimjaw what Grimjaw was to Deeroy. Lets face it here: without a Zanpaku-Tou, Yoruichi is outclassed.

That is not a valid argument. She didn't use a zanpaktou when fighting Soi Fon. Yet she owned her. And Yourichi was not in flash-release when she was fighting yami.

Also, she never said she couldn't control it. She said it was too dangeroues and didn't master it..yet. So if she used it while Urahra wouldn't get effected, Chad, Orihime and Ichigo most definatley will.


Number Two: I doubt Tessai could even come close to beating Yoruichi in a fight. That said, if you dont see what that has to do with anything, read number one.

I really don't see what this has to do with number one. I never said he could even touch her in a fight.

Number Three: Wide eyes typically signify that the character thinks its a big deal. As do exclamation points. Especially when the character rarely shows signs of surprise to begin with. If I were to rate Urahara's strength, I wouldn't doubt that he would be on par with Kuchiki Byakuya, perhaps a bit stronger. I doubt he would be able to walk through the Arrancar as easily as you suggest.

lol. He would own byakuya. Even aizen didn't get the hongoke from him when he was captian. Thats probaley because is the kind of bastard who is scared of death and pain. Like I said there are a number of resons he could have had een surprised. Urahara is known to expirament to make himself stronger. Keep in mind he got bankai in 3 days. and that was forever ago.

While I'm at it, I'd just like to note that I doubt any of the 'Good Guys' will die. Of course, I hope they don't die(Especially Ururu, since I don't have to worry about Ikkaku anymore). But the fact remains that no matter how mutilated anyone gets, for some reason they never die. I can count on one hand how many important characters have died throughout the entire manga(Although I don't typically like to count with my thumb), and they were all dead from the start anyway. Although, I'm not sure how Tsubaki could possibly recover after crumbling to pieces as he did.

Nothing to do with the post.

I would also like to remind those people that say that Soul Society needed to send more Captains and VCs, that they're really short on Captains to begin with. Three turned traitor(Aizen, Tousen, Gin), one is usually sick(Ukitake), two are extremely unreliable(Kurotsuchi, Zaraki), and one is in the Living World(Hitsugaya). That leaves a total of 6 reliable Captains. 7, I guess, in a combat situation. It would be a bad idea to send any more Captains out.

Still nothing to do with the post.

Alright, just a few more notes. I'm noticing alot of you mentioning the surprise factor that Ururu got on Illforte.
That's all well and good except that after her first kick, the surprise factor wore off. Even then, she grabbed him by the neck and followed up with a punch. At this point, surprise should have worn off. Illforte isnt a rookie fighter. Not only that, but after two strikes from her, Illforte looked something like Renji did after Byakuya unleashed his Bankai all over him. After her display of power, Ururu just jumped from 'One' of my favorite characters to my second favorite character.

This supports my claim.

Just another quick note: I don't think that the Arrancar's numbers indicate strength. Deeroy was the 16th, and Rukia didn't even break a sweat. Eduardo was the 18th, and he nearly killed Ikkaku. And just to illustrate a point: Ikkaku > Rukia

Agreed.

And, my last point: How come, after estimating that there were only 10 Arrancar and saying that 10 more would be the doom of Soul Society... No one is surprised when The Arrancar title themselves as 'The 16th' and 'The 18th'.

10 vastoorodes not arrancar.

[jonat3]

Edorado was arrancar #13 btw. Not 18.

[thepolia]

Hey who's that holding Orihime back on the first page? I thought it's Matsumoto. Does that mean Hitsugaya's vision of Matsumoto slain is just an illusion? (casted by Shao Lin (spelling?) or... AIZEN?!? o_O)

[jonat3]

Hey who's that holding Orihime back on the first page? I thought it's Matsumoto. Does that mean Hitsugaya's vision of Matsumoto slain is just an illusion? (casted by Shao Lin (spelling?) or... AIZEN?!? o_O)

In case you weren't joking, it's Matsumoto's gigai that's holding Inoue. Just like how rukia's gigai (with Chappy in it) was holding back Ichigo.

[thepolia]

In case you weren't joking, it's Matsumoto's gigai that's holding Inoue. Just like how rukia's gigai (with Chappy in it) was holding back Ichigo.

Jeez I was so dumb =/ Thx for answering!

[ChatroomFascist]

Hmmm, my reaction:
1st Argument: Yeah, Youroichi did say she did not have full control over Flash Release, but there are two things about this that make me argure: (