Post thingy turned off? [Archive]

Princess Gheyfu

07-17-2008, 12:34 AM

so ppl dont get butt hurt about post count :)

you can still view it your profile if you need it :p

Are you ****ing kidding me? :| We had them since the beginning of this forum and you guys take it down now, when hardly anyone talks about it? Where's the sense in taking down something traditional because people complain about it?

There are a ton of things people complain about going on in the forums, and I could see how taking down the activity bar or the old Zoints profiles, since they were scratched while being generally new, but this is just ridiculous. :\

Addiction

07-17-2008, 12:38 AM

Is this seriously cuz of the shit from 07?

When it's been said who knows how many times that the main point wasn't the post count but the deletion of our main convo thread...

This is pretty dumb....

KaidaSorano

07-17-2008, 12:44 AM

... Saikou you will learn that not everything happens because of you .

The post count drop was noticed by all generations and they all complained about it .. 07 a bit more publicly but still... I and against the removal of post counter under the Avatar as it looks gay with out them ...

and i liked and hated the activity bars .. glad they're gone during maintenance.

Also .. people will still be upset about post count they'll just have to take an extra step to notice it.

nx6

07-17-2008, 12:50 AM

... Saikou you will learn that not everything happens because of you .
Oooo. Snarky!

But yeah, I think this blows, too. How about making it a setting so people can hide it or show it if they want?

girl

07-17-2008, 12:50 AM

oh man i loved having the post count there. it was like a nice reference point

maybe they'll be back after maintenance...
/hope

but, yeah, if theyre gone for real then drake's idea is good, having gender there.

Addiction

07-17-2008, 12:53 AM

Having gender is pointless. Lots of members lie about it lol

SoundWave

07-17-2008, 12:58 AM

Couldn't care less about the postcount thing..

Though however things seem to be dissapearing these days.. *cough* I do hope they return, since I enjoyed quite a few of these functions.

/offtopic

Xkavanger

07-17-2008, 01:07 AM

Are you ****ing kidding me? :| We had them since the beginning of this forum and you guys take it down now, when hardly anyone talks about it? Where's the sense in taking down something traditional because people complain about it?

There are a ton of things people complain about going on in the forums, and I could see how taking down the activity bar or the old Zoints profiles, since they were scratched while being generally new, but this is just ridiculous. :\
I actually agree with Fotu on this. It's BS.

This is one of the main things that every forum should have!

It's also one of the thing that makes people active. It usually motivates people in posting more to get to the next 1000 or 100. :/

So what if its shown in our profiles? PEOPLE ARE TOO LAZY TO CLICK OTHER PEOPLE'S ****ING PROFILES!

I'm cut only 'cause its the only thing I enjoyed having. It made me competitive with a certain Quincy member. :/

Give it back pl0x. :|

You can take away our avatars or signatures, but don't take away our numbers. :(

Addiction

07-17-2008, 01:09 AM

^ No... that's even stupider

I say just put the post thing back..

Kurosaki Isshin

07-17-2008, 01:17 AM

Having gender is pointless. Lots of members lie about it lol

I get yelled at everyday on here because I call someone a he when they are really a she.

nx6

07-17-2008, 01:23 AM

So what if its shown in our profiles? PEOPLE ARE TOO LAZY TO CLICK OTHER PEOPLE'S ****ING PROFILES!
Nobody visits profiles anyway now, since everything has been removed from them. :p

Barbaroi

07-17-2008, 01:25 AM

Night Prowler

07-17-2008, 01:31 AM

I'm on the fence here if it has been turned off.

Turning it off means no more noobs spamming for a big post count but then again turning it off over the complaints that have been made are a bit extreme, its like what are you gonna turn off/shut down next just 'cause of some complaints.

i'unno :S.

pylar

07-17-2008, 01:40 AM

Dear members of Club Bleach:
Why So SRS?
Post count = nothing. Not all forums show them, others keep them hidden to... otherwise it wouldn't be an option. Admins don't use it for hiring, no one cares. Its still on your profiles. Keep your e-peen hidden.
Love, Jes

Princess Gheyfu

07-17-2008, 01:41 AM

Has a staff member even told anyone that it's been turned off for good?

Forum is currently undergoing maintenance. Please be patient : )

Just want to make sure everyone has seen this.. I've heard nothing or seen nothing about post count being disabled permanently... Probably just down due to maintenance.

Let me redirect you to This post in this exact thread on the first page of it. -_- (http://clubbleach.net/showpost.php?p=2953571&postcount=2)

Hell, it was even the second post. |:

And I agree with nx6 and Kava, no one hardly looks at profiles, hell, I havent visited my profile in 4 days to be honest, and the is because of the lack of necessity to do so. It's more convenient to everyone to have the post counts under their avvies, because moving them to the profile doesnt erase them completely anywho, and people will still boast about their post counts, and still complain about spammers, because honestly, getting rid of elitists and pests is something nearly impossible to do in any sort of large symposium or community, and all that will arise by taking away post counts is CONTINUED DEBATE ON THEM, because now people who wanted them gone will boast about their being gone, people who didnt mind them or felt a presence of tradition in them will begin to speak out, thus causing debate with those who want them gone, and actually INCREASE spam and flame count on the subject.

Overall, a rather thoughtless move. :|

Barbaroi

07-17-2008, 01:48 AM

When I said staff member, I meant more along the lines of someone who has control over the forum itself, such as an administrator, as, no offense to JB, a mod has no control over major decisions such as something like removal of post count counters or w/e, or at least to the extent of my knowledge doesn't.

Personally either way, I don't really care... Probably would of been a better idea to make a pole for the vast majority of CB to vote on and give their opinions. Something tells me this isn't permanent though.. to much :babies: going on.

ghey b

07-17-2008, 01:49 AM

because now people who wanted them gone will boast about their being gone
LOL boasting about them being gone :p

HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME!! I GOT NO POST COUNT!! lol

Overall, a rather thoughtless move. :|
maybe it was so thoughtful that you didnt put in enough thought to understand it >.>

overall ppl, quit your complaining, you didnt lose your post count, it hasnt been deleted. its still in your profile at the very top of the page. It will take you 5seconds to click someones avatar and see their post count (if you ABSOLUTELY JUST HAAAVE to see how many posts someone has) so you can tell how much credibility they have..

KaidaSorano

07-17-2008, 01:59 AM

Post count is about as pointless as your graphical abilities as judged by a biased group of people... that's still there and serves less of a purpose to the community...

.. also the admin my not regard post count but all the other groups on the forum does...

What kind of point is in removing them from where they were

Princess Gheyfu

07-17-2008, 02:04 AM

LOL boasting about them being gone :p

HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME!! I GOT NO POST COUNT!! lol

Another thoughtless comment, or maybe just of bad taste, for one with common logic knows that people boast when they win and brag to those who lose, and even if it was just a one-time event and things settle over, one could reference to their "winning" when the other group were to complain, aka the people who wanted post counts to manifest themselves clearly, will still be bothered a tad by its removal, and an innocent comment of "Damn, I want the post count back :/" can result in "Lol, the post count was a waste of space. :P" and etc etc, and may resolve in some bitter feeling here and there, so on one hand by having them there, you have people complaining about getting it taken off, and by taking it off, you have the other party complaining.

Also, as I brought up before, the post count is very traditional and has only been taken down in the rarest of moments, thus making those whom have become used to it being like this, or have taken a liking to it, will be annoyed at it being taken off, as I have, because the little space below my avvie which was filled with text for the 2 and a half years I've been here is now empty and abyssmal, and it can be distracting, after being used to it being there.

So to make it easier to understand, put it in, people complain and its brought up time to time, take it out and people complain and its brought up time to time, it becomes an inconvenience, it takes away one of the small details that has been with us for years, and it looks visually unappealing.

:cm:

Also, for those saying it has no effect on the community, then first of all, why take it off if it bears little to no inconvenience and only brings about more pyrotechnics, and secondly, it does have a role in the community, because last I checked a member of ours was denied from a division not too long ago for having a post count rather short compared to the length she was on the forum. :p

Esca

07-17-2008, 02:04 AM

girl

07-17-2008, 02:07 AM

i just had gotten used to them a lot. i check over to see the post count of a person whose post im reading and

....i just realized how dumb that sounded. it is uncomfortable to have post count gone, but i JUST realized that i would somehow... have this internal judging thing on the 'credibility' of the user b/c of post count.
i might not agree totally on the whole getting rid of it thing, but i can see the benefits of it being turned off. it'll just take some getting used to. and hopefully shake me out of that dumb habit

KaidaSorano

07-17-2008, 02:15 AM

Are you all able to not ***** about something? I mean, really.. is everyone that bored that they have to moan and complain about everything that doesn't go their way or things they don't like? Seriously, get over it.. the faster, the better. http://www.yoyocici.com/download/down/emote/JFBQ00236070904A.gif

/just wanted to use that emote

For me... boredom is partly the reason i bothered comeing here to comlain about it ... but what great benifit do we get for the loss of the post count on the left .. i don't mean compensation but what new better thing is coming that benefits from no post count showing?

pylar

07-17-2008, 02:31 AM

i'm locking this.
Kisses.

Z_Blitz

07-17-2008, 12:22 PM

I'm re-opening this thread after consulting with a few staff members about this issue. What we'll be doing is basically reading users comments about whether or not they'd like the change permanent. Posts here are reserved for logical arguements for or against the cause. To help aid in making the decision, a poll will be attached with 3 options. Vote what YOU think is best for the forum overall.

/Re-opened
/Poll added

Cloud

07-17-2008, 12:58 PM

You want to know why I dislike the change? Cause it makes it that much more difficult for me to figure out anybodys post count. I don't want to have to spend my 5 seconds clicking my mouse and eventually causing permanent damage to my finger joints just because the post count was moved to peoples profiles. This is madness!!!

Honestly though, I tend to look at someones post count and the time they joined. If they have 5,000 posts and they just joined a couple months ago, I pretty much decide that they are a spammer and more than likely disregard what they say and then make fun of them later.

Save my 5 seconds of time. It's very important to me. Without it, the world as we know it might just end!

Edit: Or is there a way to make it so you can choose whether or not to see post counts and/or enable/disable your own post count display?
In my opinion, I say put it back how it was. That's how my vote is going anyways. Since people can so easily find someones post count anyways then there is no point in moving them away from the avatars anyways. Totally pointless move if you ask me.

Sandal Hat

07-17-2008, 01:24 PM

I would like for post count to be on because that is how I judge how cool a member is. I don't have as much free time as I used to so I can't be online as frequently as I would like. With post counts displayed under people's names I have a quick reference as to how much of a bad ass that member is.

Post counts also helps me when I am deciding whether or not to ban a member. If a member has a small amount of posts and therefore a small amount of awesomeness I usually do not hesitate to ban he/she because I know he/she is petty and will no longer be missed. I know, I know, you say it is only 5 seconds away, what if you are stuck in ancient times and have dial up....or what if you are too lazy? I am one of the laziest individuals on this site and adding 5 more seconds of work is absolutely absurd. I scoff at the members of staff who decided to indulge in such tomfoolery and implemented this change instead of asking for my opinion. I would have responded in less than 90 days to a matter of such extreme priority.

Hiraishin

07-17-2008, 01:31 PM

^ lmao

I'd like it back, because that way people won't be mad about it being gone.
And I'm used to it. ^^;

Tyekanik

07-17-2008, 02:12 PM

I can't say I miss it. It doesn't reflect anything about a member's qualities except for stereotype purposes.

Seff vi Britannia

07-17-2008, 03:23 PM

I want it back so i can assert my dominance over members with smaller postcounts than I.

:cm:

Kabane

07-17-2008, 03:32 PM

lol @ the complaining

BeeCrest

07-17-2008, 03:34 PM

I spy a double post!

KholdStare

07-17-2008, 04:08 PM

You want to know why I dislike the change? Cause it makes it that much more difficult for me to figure out anybodys post count. I don't want to have to spend my 5 seconds clicking my mouse and eventually causing permanent damage to my finger joints just because the post count was moved to peoples profiles. This is madness!!!

Why does it matter what somebody's post count is? You should judge members on the quality of the posts which you have seen them post. If you haven't ever seen them post before a simple number under their name (which could be due to spam for all you know) will not tell you anything about the member.

Somebody can be registered for over a year, have 5,000 posts and be a spammer whereas somebody who has been registered for about 6 months can have the same amount of posts and not be a spammer. Probability says otherwise but when we deal with personalities, probability isn't a good tool.

Another thoughtless comment,

There is no need to say that to others. I'm sure everybody who posts here puts some thought into their posts. Yes, even Sandal Hat.

Esca

07-17-2008, 04:12 PM

Yes, even Sandal Hat.

Lies! Lies, I say!

silverwolf801

07-17-2008, 04:16 PM

I want it back so i can assert my dominance over members with smaller postcounts than I.

:cm:

yea this is actually why I want it back. i have worked on that post count for about 2 to 3 years now. i love to see it right at the side. The post count actually pushes me to be a more active person because I have set goals for myself to pass abut 4 people and their post counts.

Now if I have to go to my profile every time I post a little bit just to check my post count then that would really deter me from my goal. Because over time i won't want to do it anymore.

Plus I like the e-peen

BeeCrest

07-17-2008, 05:02 PM

Now if I have to go to my profile every time I post a little bit just to check my post count then that would really deter me from my goal. Because over time i won't want to do it anymore.

Oh and I ever so hate having to click on "Hueco Mundo" to see a few threads because a thread in "The Forsaken Ones" blocks me from them when it claims the most recent post on the front page. If only the pages I want would automatically load in another tab by the mere strength of my thoughts, and then I wouldn't have to click several times.

Neko Rae

07-17-2008, 05:23 PM

ladyrukia

07-17-2008, 05:33 PM

I want it back so i can assert my dominance over members with smaller postcounts than I.

:cm:

i think that this is a good reason that the post counts are off. even if it is temporary, it puts everyone on the even playing field. :toocool: That way if you want to assert dominance over people with smaller ppost counts you have to put some leg work into to make fun of them. :whatevah:

KholdStare

07-17-2008, 05:39 PM

I would like it back. It's something that's supposed to be there. It's weird without it. I'm sure all the noobs that join this forum will wonder why we don't have it. I don't see any good reason not to have it

It's not "supposed" to be there. And I think some of the noobs of the forum would appreciate that we don't have it. Now I don't mean to call you a noob to the poster above me since that is a demeaning term but the poster above me is a relatively new member of this forum. And guess what? She actually likes the post count off.

The good reason to not have is that people won't simply spam on this forum to raise post count. It was done in many threads before which is why it was turned off.

Kamina

07-17-2008, 05:48 PM

lol, I knew you were behind all this Khold. Stop being so persistent about the anti-spamming kick, its not gonna stop. The only thing you guys are going to do is hamper activity. Post count is kind of a big thing in the forum world, I dont many forums at all that dont have it enabled. A lot of the time when im new at a forum I find myself making goals for myself, I want to get to that 500 mark by the end of the night, etc. I dont spam my way there, but work by making meaningful posts.

Forum noobs should feel like forum noobs. I know that you might not like being the low man on the totem pole, but it makes senior members feel a bit more important. I know that when I am a noob on a forum I always observe the way senior members are and everything, and post count is just one of those bragging right things that is just the very basics of forum etiquette.

I kind of think that the reason you guys disabled it on the display of posts was to spite everyone in the argument over the generation posts. Reduction of spam? lol, most forums have post counts enabled and are able to control it in a reasonable matter.

KholdStare

07-17-2008, 05:58 PM

lol, I knew you were behind all this Khold. Stop being so persistent about the anti-spamming kick, its not gonna stop.

Just because I voice my opinion I must be "behind it"? I am at the bottom tier of staff so decisions like this are not in my hand. I don't accuse you of things you haven't done, I expect that you offer the same respect to me. Several other staff members have posted in this thread before I did saying the same things that I did.

The only thing you guys are going to do is hamper activity.

Neve has already said that our bigger problem right now is not activity, but spam.

Post count is kind of a big thing in the forum world, I dont many forums at all that dont have it enabled. A lot of the time when im new at a forum I find myself making goals for myself, I want to get to that 500 mark by the end of the night, etc. I dont spam my way there, but work by making meaningful posts.

You may do that Manji - and that's great. Unfortunately the staff found that most people were setting these goals and using spam to reach them.

Forum noobs should feel like forum noobs.

No, they shouldn't. We shouldn't have people using post count to "assert their dominance."

I know that you might not like being the low man on the totem pole, but it makes senior members feel a bit more important. I know that when I am a noob on a forum I always observe the way senior members are and everything, and post count is just one of those bragging right things that is just the very basics of forum etiquette.

You should be able to judge who is a senior and who is not simply by the way they post, not the number under their name. We have veteran and premium userbars if you want some kind of identification as to who is a senior member.

I kind of think that the reason you guys disabled it on the display of posts was to spite everyone in the argument over the generation posts. Reduction of spam? lol, most forums have post counts enabled and are able to control it in a reasonable matter.

Believe what you want, but spiting is not something we are doing. For you to assume otherwise is somewhat insulting. Don't even give me the argument that you guys weren't using the thread to boost post count. There were posts like "Just woke" "xD" "Lol, ______".

Nobody has the time to go through 700 pages of spam and delete it.

Barbaroi

07-17-2008, 06:03 PM

Nobody has the time to go through 700 pages of spam and delete it.

Should of made me a staff member then :cm: LoL.

Post count could stay or go for all I care (or counters.. w/e). Regardless of other peoples opinions, it is a quick and easy way to get a quick reference to ones activity, such as when they are applying to a division. Yes.. I do look at that first because when I compare it to their join date, it gives me a general idea of how active they have been. Obviously, if they only have 50 posts in 4 months.. its a big negative on even applying. Either way though, I'd still go into their profile and check their posts as thats my job, unless they offer buttsecks as compensation :D

@Khold - I really don't think Manji meant any animosity towards you or any of the staff about his comments. Just throwing it out there :)

Kamina

07-17-2008, 06:10 PM

In conclusion, if you really want to have people stop boasting about status, get rid of all of the userbars people flaunt around like flair. Post count around here is bottom rung when it comes to judging seniority. people arent flaunting their dominance here with post count, more appropriately its userbar significance and number of them.

If the problem is spam, target the reason why people are spamming and prevent it. And I am sure its not because of the post count, one of our most active sections on the entire forum is randomness, a place where it doesnt count.

Deleting post count is in a way punishing spammers, but is also punishing members of the forum who appreciate it. Why not punish them by reducing their sig space or avatar size, perhaps a few warnings and you could take away some of their userbars, etc.

@ Barb - You are right, I am just playing the devil's advocate here. That and kind of speaking for the majority, most people love and value their post count on a forum, whether they like to admit it or not.

KholdStare

07-17-2008, 06:30 PM

In conclusion, if you really want to have people stop boasting about status, get rid of all of the userbars people flaunt around like flair.

Your userbars are earned through good activity on the forum. Post count on the other hand doesn't have to be.

Post count around here is bottom rung when it comes to judging seniority. people arent flaunting their dominance here with post count, more appropriately its userbar significance and number of them.

Read TrollSeffmon's post and Silverwolf's post. Enough said.

If the problem is spam, target the reason why people are spamming and prevent it. And I am sure its not because of the post count, one of our most active sections on the entire forum is randomness, a place where it doesnt count.

People complained when I moved the thread to a section where post count doesn't count. Are you telling me you guys won't complain if we move most of the spamming threads to places with no post count? Get serious, most of the generations started flipping out.

Deleting post count is in a way punishing spammers, but is also punishing members of the forum who appreciate it. Why not punish them by reducing their sig space or avatar size, perhaps a few warnings and you could take away some of their userbars, etc.

Why not just deal with the problem as a whole and turn off post count? People won't have a reason to spam. Your goal on this forum should be to become a person who makes quality posts, not measure the quantity.

@ Barb - You are right, I am just playing the devil's advocate here. That and kind of speaking for the majority, most people love and value their post count on a forum, whether they like to admit it or not.

I don't think you are. Although you say you don't care about post count you have been one of the strongest advocates about it. Not only here but in the generation section as well. It's time to stop with the facade.

Kamina

07-17-2008, 06:42 PM

lol, I lost less than 200 posts in the generation forum, do you think I give a ****? Im a sucker for a friendly argument, I prefer to do this as entertainment. I guess I could say I like having my post count displayed, but its just cause im used to forums with it. Post count is fun, rep is fun, userbars are fun, why get rid of something that most people enjoy?

Removing posts that were already added to a person's post count and having threads in places that dont contribute to post count are two different things. Like ive been saying, locking and archiving the convo threads is definitely a reasonable solution to that.

Like I said, getting rid of post count wont prevent spam. See our really active randomness section, the same people who post there are a lot of the same people who spam the precious convo threads. A better solution would be to give us less places to have random conversations.

You seem to have a problem with getting rid of spam. Why not just try and prevent it in the future instead?

KholdStare

07-17-2008, 06:47 PM

Post count is fun, rep is fun, userbars are fun, why get rid of something that most people enjoy?

Because people abuse it. Nobody is taking away rep and userbars.

Removing posts that were already added to a person's post count and having threads in places that dont contribute to post count are two different things. Like ive been saying, locking and archiving the convo threads is definitely a reasonable solution to that.

Why is it reasonable to let people get away with spam? Just because they did it a few weeks ago doesn't mean we say "it's ok" and just let it pass by. And you did say that deleting posts is a way to deal with spam, so why are you changing your stance now?

Like I said, getting rid of post count wont prevent spam.

And how do you know this? Do you speak from experience?

Obviously the administrators here have been running a forum for over two years now. They have taken post count away in the past and they say it has reduced spam. I believe that most people would rather believe the voice of experience.

You seem to have a problem with getting rid of spam. Why not just try and prevent it in the future instead?
And how do you prevent things in the future? By showing the consequences of past actions. That's how the law works as well :)

I'm done here, I keep reiterating the same things over and over.

Kamina

07-17-2008, 07:00 PM

Its not reasonable to let people get away with spam, but you said yourself that you dont want to look through 900 pages of thread and delete the spam. Lazy on your part as a mod, maybe, but I also think its not necessary. Fact is a lot of those posts werent spam, treating them like they are is what pisses people off.

Getting rid of post count wont stop spam because we still have really active random sections. Its common sense dude, you dont need mod experience to be observant. I take common sense and logic over possible phenomena.

Nah, the law works by making a law and then following it. I bought cigarettes when I was 18, and then a month later they changed it to 19. I was still legally allowed to have purchased and own that pack, but if I were to go and try and buy them again, I wouldnt be allowed. Slightly different principal, but you just simply waited too long to start enforcing the spam policies in the thread. That is the admins fault that was in charge of creating the generation threads in the first place.

Ill reply to your posts as long as you post. I feel as though ive said enough too, but I usually dont like to leave things unresolved.

Cassie

07-17-2008, 07:02 PM

Post counts are important. Need to distinguish between noobs and veterans. Discrimination is an essential part of life.

BeeCrest

07-17-2008, 07:13 PM

Sin

07-17-2008, 07:20 PM

if its spam in the generation forum then simply make it like a randomness section where post count doesn't count for shit and the problem is solved. I know for a fact that when i was knew on this forum like manji said my goal was to get 3500 posts. No matter how you look at it and try to deny it having posts plays a major factor on this forum, if it didn't post counts wouldn't matter and you could join a division with as low of a post count as 10, But that's not the case is it? Whether you like it or not it still gives people recognition and distinguishes people. It's just post count so leave it as it were and if you don't care about it, then don't look at it but the minority who don't care about it's will shouldn't be super imposed on the clear majority who do.

Someone even suggested that you have the option to keep your post count hidden from the rest i think that was a good idea. That way both sides get satisfied. Cause personally i think it looks a little empty down there.

Blue

07-17-2008, 07:57 PM

Why should we have to bother checking our profiles when it can be right under our avatars? :/

Nicole

07-17-2008, 07:58 PM

Kurosaki Isshin

07-17-2008, 08:00 PM

I agree with Gek. Its just to much of a hassle to have to look at someones profile just to see there post count. I vote to have it added back.

Cassie

07-17-2008, 08:09 PM

Post count doesn't always distinguish between noobs and veterans though. While post count is a good judgement of activity, it isn't always great activity. Some people will maintain a respectable post count within a week of joining, and their posts are either intelligent and well thought-out, or noob-like. There are also members here who may have a low post count despite being here for years, but are not noobs. The actual posts will tell you if one is a noob, newb, or veteran, and to view them you have to go to one's profile anyway.

While post count doesn't provide any detailed or perhaps reliable information, it still provides useful information.

If nothing else, it's quite amusing to look at post count, just like it is to look at one's rep power, userbars, avatars, sigs, and everything else.

The counter argument is: what good does removing post count do?

The point is, via individual interpretations, post count can be used for many different purposes. They should be removed only if the negatives outweighs the positives. It would appear that it is not the case here.

Sin

07-17-2008, 08:19 PM

I agree with Hrist, both popular demand and the benefits of having them there outweigh the complaints and the ideologue of having them remove will be better then having them around.

Rainl

07-17-2008, 08:21 PM

Should post count be kept there? Yep.

Why? A better question would be whats the point in removing it?

I don't see the point of taking it off. I'm not going to actually waste my time and sit here to ***** about it, but whats the point of taking it away? If people feel intimidated by your post count(which I don't see the point in being intimidated at all).

Either they don't look at it or simply contribute more to the forum, and try to get their post count up with more educated posts. I think the user should have a choice in whether or not they want their post count displayed, but hey your the admins, do what you feel is necessary.

Just my 2 cents..

girl

07-17-2008, 08:24 PM

i do understand where the staff is coming from about not judging people by post count, but
Post counts are important. Need to distinguish between noobs and veterans. Discrimination is an essential part of life.

I know thats like "mean" or "prejudiced" or whatever, but it's the fact. As the many people before me have said, it's just a part of forum life and we've gotten used to it there.

There are spammers, yes. But if their post count is so high b/c of spam, that will mean that a lot of people will see them around, spamming their asses off. So we'll just ignore that post count anyway. Not seeing post count won't do anything to stop judging people b/c we'll already be judging them on their posts.

okay i think i just started arguing the other side of the argument...

um forgetting that previous paragraph, post counts are important b/c it gives people a goal. My post count is relatively low, but i still feel happy when i see it b/c it's well on its way to 1000 (my goal), so i'm fine with that. people with high post counts deserve the right to brag b/c they worked hard at their post.

people might spam to raise post count and they may not. when the generation forums first came around, i was happy about it, too. i did think "yes, this word association game allows me to make one word posts and they still count" but all the spamming gets annoying at the end, and i felt that gen forums should have post count off, like randomness. i left the gen forum for a while, b/c i got tired of all the spamming, and came back when there were mods and spamming would be controlled. the people who lost like tons of posts when gen threads were moved to randomness DESERVE it imo b/c i know in my gen, the threads that were moved were spam central

so, what i'm trying to say is that
-post count is a traditional, well-accepted part of forum life in general
-if you really want to discourage spammers, you should just get rid of post count totally. just moving it doesnt do anything except cause inconvenience to everyone
-seeing people's post counts sets apart veterans from noobs and thats a neccessary part of forum life. period.
-it gives noobs a chance and a goal to work to. when i was a noob (not a long time ago), i liked seeing my post count right there next to me b/c it was a motivation.

Freya

07-17-2008, 08:28 PM

I preferred seeing the post count as well. I liked seeing how much I was accruing. I don't want to have to visit my profile to see it all the time. Plus is was nice when you're scouting for people for your division when it was right under their avatar.

Neko Toku

07-17-2008, 08:39 PM

... Saikou you will learn that not everything happens because of you .

I lol'd.

I'm pretty used to my post count going up and down randomly, so the whole post loss doesn't really bother me.

The post count not being under your avatar anymore... Well, I could care less.

silverwolf801

07-17-2008, 08:40 PM

I think it was a pointless move to make post count invisible, but I think everyone here is really overreacting.

1. It's still there, it's just another click away.
2. It's the quality of the posts that distinguishes a person, as well as their contributions on the forum (i.e. divisions, gfx, staff, donators, etc)

Of course, people are always going to find other ways to make their e-peen bigger, such as join date, userbars, and rep.

If you people are overreacting about something minor like this, I can't even imagine what'll happen if we make rep invisible, or userbars invisible.

For those who only had post count to rely on: join something, do more around the forum. If you're upset because your e-peen shrank due to threads getting moved, or because it's now invisible, find something else to distinguish yourself from others on the forum. Do things that deserve you rep or join a division or gfx team, or SOMETHING.

Of course, IMO, it doesn't matter to me whether post count is invisible or not. It's not like it's disabled or anything.

ok no offense nikki but I have many things on this forum to rely on including the request station to the poetry club but all the same I would never want to lose any of the things that I love here.

I know that you might say that we haven't lost anythng but like I said before you might see it as an extra click away but then we never had to move it in the first place then. we never had to make that extra click before and now who ever did what now wants us too. that is so messed up.

I like to see my post count right where it always has been. I don't know why some have to suffer for others.

Undying

07-17-2008, 09:16 PM

I'm putting down most of the negative reaction to the removal of post count indicator under your avatar to the human instinct to fear change. I think most of you are just being "you changed it now it sucks" ;).

I think I should add this, as the person with the highest post-count on the forum and therefore the biggest post-peen: people, it's not important. I don't care where the post count is located, or even if it's removed form the entire forum, and neither should you, because your post-peen is nowhere as big as mine.

Just puttin' my input in case someone wants to point a fingar and shout "the guy with the biggest post-count speaketh!" or something.

Seriously, Esca was right... don't ***** about this. They did it, so forget about it. Not like your life has just lost meaning or anything...

<33 ~Neve

ghey b

07-17-2008, 09:36 PM

lol this is ABSOLUTELY hilarious

you ppl are making such a big deal over such a small thing. You keep saying "what good comes from taking the post count out from under our names?!?!"
i say "what good came from keeping it under our names"
was it the prejudice of post count? was it auto labeling someone a noob with a small post count? was it the fact that we THINK that its a good activity indicator?
sounds to me like those are all negatives to it being there in actuality.

if post count is such an important thing that distinguishes who should be listened to and who should be ignored than you can take the extra 5 freaking seconds to click on someones profile. because god knows, if its that important that you need to say "hey i dont know if i should listen to this person because im to lazy to check their profile for post count number" than you should be checking their profile for post/day count as well as actual post content

IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY EVER! is post count the only measure of if someone is a noob or a vet. you CANNOT attribute just the post count to that measure. if you REALLY want to know if someone is respectable by post, you ALSO need to check their actual post history which OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG !!!!! is done in their profile

quite complaining because you are to lazy to click someones profile to actually find out if their posts are meaningful and contribute to the forum, when you could just unfairly judge them on the little itty bitty number under their name

imo, the cons of having them shown, greatly outweigh the cons of not having them shown

Nicole

07-17-2008, 09:42 PM

ok no offense nikki but I have many things on this forum to rely on including the request station to the poetry club but all the same I would never want to lose any of the things that I love here.

I know that you might say that we haven't lost anythng but like I said before you might see it as an extra click away but then we never had to move it in the first place then. we never had to make that extra click before and now who ever did what now wants us too. that is so messed up.

I like to see my post count right where it always has been. I don't know why some have to suffer for others.

Even though it's a click away, you guys have not lost anything. The post count is still there. Your posts are still going up. It's visible on your profile. It's just not visible under your avatar.

My point here is that I think some of you guys are overreacting about something that is still there. I could care less if it's under the avatar or just in our profiles--the point is that it is still accruing and therefore you guys have lost nothing.

I'm not for or against having it under our names, because it is always going to be there.