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Hiraishin
07-20-2008, 03:33 PM
A net-neutrality activist group has uncovered plans for the demise of the free Internet by 2010 in Canada. By 2012, the group says, the trend will be global.

Bell Canada and TELUS, Canada’s two largest Internet service providers (ISPs), will begin charging per-site fees on most Internet sites, reports anonymous sources within TELUS.

“It's beyond censorship, it is killing the biggest ecosystem of free expression and freedom of speech that has ever existed,” I Power spokesperson Reese Leysen said. I Power was the first group to report on the possible changes.

Bell Canada has not returned calls or emails.

The plans made by the large telecom businesses would change the Internet into a cable-like system, where customers sign up for specific web sites, and must pay to see each individual site beyond a certain point. Subscription browsing would be limited, extra fees would be applied to access out-of-network sites. Many sites would be blocked altogether.

“We had inside sources from bigger companies who gave us the information on how exclusivity deals are being made at this moment between ISPs and big content providers (like TV production studios and major video game publishers) to decide which web sites will be in the ‘standard package’ offered to their customers, leaving all the rest of the Internet unreachable unless you pay extra subscription fees per every ‘non-standard’ site you visit,” Leysen said. “We knew the source to be 100% reliable, but we also knew the story would be highly controversial if we released the information. We did it because we knew that we’d get more official confirmations once we’d come forward with it. And indeed that is what happened. Dylan Pattyn, who is writing the soon-to-be published article for Time Magazine, received confirmation from sources within Bell Canada and TELUS after we released the information.”

The plans would in effect be economic censorship, with only the top 100 to 200 sites making the cut in the initial subscription package. Such plans would likely favor major news outlets and suppress smaller news outlets, as the major news outlets would be free (with subscription), and alternative news outlets, like AFP, would incur a fee for every visit.

“The Internet will become a playground for billion-dollar content providers just like television is,” said Leysen. “It won’t be possible for a few teenagers in their parents’ basement to start a small site like E-bay that then grows out to be the next big thing anymore. Right now the Internet belongs to those with the greatest ideas. In the future, it’ll belong to those with the biggest budgets.”

With plans in Canada uncovered, I Power thinks that companies in the United States and other nations are also planning similar actions.

“By 2012 ISPs all over the globe will reduce Internet access to a TV-like subscription model, only offering access to a small standard amount of commercial sites and require extra fees for every other site you visit. These ‘other’ sites would then lose all their exposure and eventually shut down, resulting in what could be seen as the end of the Internet,” Leysen said.

Such a subscription plan could possibly restrict free speech far beyond even the current restrictions set by the governments of ****************** China. Not only would browsing be limited, but privacy would be invaded, as every web site viewed would likely be recorded on a bill in a manner similar to a phone bill.

Why would the ISPs institute such a plan? One word: money.

“This new subscription model is commercially far more beneficial to them than how it is now,” Leysen said. “If Fox wants to launch a new television show online, they’ll have to pay big money to all major ISPs to ensure that their new show will be offered and pushed in the ‘standard package’ of sites/services/channels that people will get through their Internet access. Plus ISPs will also gain extra revenue out of people trying to access the rest of the Internet, as they’ll pay extra subscription fees for every web site they visit.”

But it’s not just the big ISPs that stand to gain.

“Marketing and big budget ‘content-pushing’ just doesn’t seem to work on the Internet, and this is something that several industries want fixed. ISPs know this and will benefit greatly by fixing this for the marketing and entertainment industry,” Leysen said.

The ISPs are said to be confident they can institute such plans through deceptive marketing and fear tactics.

“The Internet will be more and more marketed as a place full of child pornography and other horrible illegal activity in order to get people on their [the ISP’s] side once they start restricting it and make it ‘safer,’” Leysen said. “Unless we really make a stand for this and make sure that mainstream media thoroughly covers the issue, the whole thing will be eased in with proper marketing to make sure that most mainstream customers won’t make a big deal out of it. They will only realize what was lost long after it’s gone.”

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/canada_net_censorship.html

Bullshit.

Hikari
07-20-2008, 04:17 PM
Absoluting f***ing bullshit. This is the stupidest thing i've ever heard, and I've seen Hitman.

I don't really see how they could do it. Couldn't other people (with a lot of money, or a grassroots approach) start up their own ISP companies with the free system we have now?

Or am I incredibly naive and/or stupid?
Actually, don't answer that last one.

Saithe
07-20-2008, 06:26 PM
ISPs have been trying to change how we surf for years, though it's usually a matter of paying for bandwidth usage, instead of download speed; and now this. I hate each idea with a passion.

While this might reduce the amount of 13 year old E-thugs on various websites, it also will be the downfall of many, many small forums. How many new people would come to ClubBleach if they had to pay extra? And how many would just stop being active.

Also, you wouldn't be able to surf from school/work anymore, because I doubt proxies would be maintained for free...

Save the "place full of child pornography and other horrible illegal activity"!!

Akiha
07-20-2008, 06:38 PM
If this happens, it seems I may have to get a life.

And if so many people have to pay to get to certain websites, I think there would be an obvious rebellion to it, most likely a global rebellion.

Neko Bam
07-20-2008, 09:59 PM
Psh, censor the internet...
They also tried ban illegal downloading, but that didn't get far did it?
Sure, they may stop the average Joe but if you really wanna do something there's always an (illegal) alternative, especially on the internet.

Kamina
07-20-2008, 09:59 PM
**** that ****ing shit man, them *****es ****in suck!

I will not stand for internet censorship, **** that :p

Harvey Dent
07-20-2008, 10:05 PM
I hate Telephone companies all they want is money, only reason the Government is backing this is because the Economy is going down the drain because they just care about doing case work and pork barreling.

Neko Rae
07-20-2008, 10:12 PM
**** that ****ing shit man, them *****es ****in suck!

I will not stand for internet censorship, **** that :p

what he said ^

I really hope this doesn't happen

:sad

lol internet
07-20-2008, 10:21 PM
rofl, very much doubt it'll happen. that would destroy 99% of the internet, and make it inviable for any non-profitable websites to appear. not to mention people would go crazy (terrorism against internet companies, anyone?)

Twinky
07-20-2008, 10:41 PM
these ISP bullshitters can suck my left nutt, who the **** do they think they are? one thing is certain this wont happen cus 99% of the world use Internet. basicly if they do try this bull crap move, they will be out of business within days

.Zero Nue
07-21-2008, 01:50 AM
That really is some bullshit, even by then we won't have privacy at all... Freedom of Speech my ass...Freedom to do anything is done and over, we would be likes slaves on the internet, next thing you know they try to bring in a utopia nation...

Hiraishin
07-21-2008, 03:08 AM
^ They are actually, it's called the "New World Order"

smach
07-21-2008, 03:40 AM
^ 'twas fuk'n inevitable, eh?

Neko Xab
07-21-2008, 04:09 AM
What can we do? Once the big corporate CEO's have their sights set on squeezing more money from the populace, not much you can do to stop them.

Ai
07-21-2008, 04:57 AM
Old story...:/....

Main idea behind it is that company's associated with internet ISP's will get preferential speed treatment over non affiliated company's.

Hikari
07-21-2008, 04:57 AM
It'd also limit a lot of research done back to Libraries, which, nowadays are often underfunded, and lacking the information many students would need.

Chrono Detector
07-21-2008, 05:20 AM
Screw that shit. What a whole bunch of bullshit. Hopefully this won't happen though, it would kill the internet. Nobody wants to pay extra just to access a certain site.

lol internet
07-21-2008, 05:37 AM
so uhm, how would bittorrent/p2p clients work with this? I assume they would just be killed altogether?

Cero
07-22-2008, 01:50 AM
Wow, what a crockabullshit.

I cant even express how disgusted I am at companies like that...

BamBam vi Britannia
07-24-2008, 08:53 AM
It won`t happen.

The world can`t live without the internet. Small businesses won`t be able to afford it and the internet cost for big businesses would be so large that they`d have to make their product more expensive. The chain reaction would be devastating.

That`s what I think.

doucheasaurus
07-24-2008, 04:17 PM
...the options of the sites that you'll have to pay for on Internet V2, will not be that numerous and they'll all be controlled. Its inevitable, BUT, the minds of rebels and the "human spirit" always finds Loop Holes around any situations, to where you will all be able to do what you use to do currently. So, why get in a huff about it.

Call your nearest Congressman, and put forth your voice, signatures and finances to assure that this doesn't happen. And if it does, work your way towards codes and 'loop holes' to vye against it...

Its the fight in the dog, not the dog in the fight...

Dark Fire
08-11-2008, 01:20 PM
A Note to Google Users on Net Neutrality: The Internet as we know it is facing a serious threat. There's a debate heating up in Washington, DC on something called "net neutrality" – and it's a debate that's so important Google is asking you to get involved. We're asking you to take action to protect Internet freedom.
In the next few days, the House of Representatives is going to vote on a bill that would fundamentally alter the Internet. That bill, and one that may come up for a key vote in the Senate in the next few weeks, would give the big phone and cable companies the power to pick and choose what you will be able to see and do on the Internet.
Today the Internet is an information highway where anybody – no matter how large or small, how traditional or unconventional – has equal access. But the phone and cable monopolies, who control almost all Internet access, want the power to choose who gets access to high-speed lanes and whose content gets seen first and fastest. They want to build a two-tiered system and block the on-ramps for those who can't pay.
Creativity, innovation and a free and open marketplace are all at stake in this fight. Please call your representative (202-224-3121) and let your voice be heard.
Thanks for your time, your concern and your support.
Eric Schmidt

http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality_letter.html

I am totally with you guys on this on there is no way in hell that they are going to be able to get away with this... hell I am sure that hackers those for free information would tear the interweb apart in outrage. Not to mention regular users and the population in general....

xxSenbozakura
08-11-2008, 10:44 PM
when there is a will there is always a way, if it becomes inevitable our creative minds will think of something else and a way around it if not a way to destroy.

Manchester Black
08-12-2008, 02:27 AM
This is such shit. This will never happen. There are so many websites out there, that paying for each one after the basics would cost a fortune. Plus, like someone else said, hackers would shred the net out of pure anger. The world won't allow the complete downfall of the world wide web. I wouldn't get too worried.

+KuSaKaBe+
08-12-2008, 05:05 AM
http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality_letter.html

I am totally with you guys on this on there is no way in hell that they are going to be able to get away with this... hell I am sure that hackers those for free information would tear the interweb apart in outrage. Not to mention regular users and the population in general....


I'm backin you up man, there's no way in hell we're gonna sit on our asses and let this happen. This could ruin a majority of the web's experience for everyone, not to mention severely crush small businesses that need internet for obvious purposes. Those greedy censoring bastards have crosses the line...

I mean c'mon, charging extra just to gain access to certain sites is just a full force b*tchslap to the face of the free people. The internet was made for the free flow and sharing of information and files between people around the globe, right? Those corporates need to open their freakin eyes and realize that a majority of the world's people use the internet for recreational, work, and educational purposes and pulling a dumb stunt like this is just damn idiotic.

Neko Toku
08-12-2008, 05:22 AM
Canada, why have you betray me? D;

If this happens I... Well I'm not sure what I'd do. ;_;

Kefka
08-12-2008, 06:42 AM
Wow, I had heard this from someone before (though they couldn't give me a source) and I thought it was all a big joke. As we've all mentioned there is no possible way for any company to monitor the whole of the internet, if there was there wouldn't be child porn sites sill looming out there. Though if somehow this did go down I can already forsee companies popping up that give full internet access for a monthly price (kind of like how things are done here now with a cable bill). And oh yes, my senator will be getting an e-mail (irony much?) and letter from me about this.

Capt Kenpachi
08-13-2008, 05:27 AM
not possible. censoring the internet is like trying to censor Nell or Halibel's boobs. IT is just too big.

Although Google has been fighting for free internet for everyone