Speed is not used to the full potential in Bleach

[Randomzx]

So far, speed is only used by characters to close in on enemies instead of finishing them as fast as possible and still have time for breakfast. The Bleach characters seems to be only be able travel super fast in one direction, and always have a major delay between moves. Even then, they didn't use speed to mutilate their opponent.
There might be several explainations for that:
(1) speed requires a lot of energy
(2) the characters can not think fast enough or have enough "RAM" to do multiple tasks in super speed mode.
(3) the Bleach characters lacks the ability to control their inertia to allow them chance direction with ease in super speed.
(4) and Finally, this type of super speed power would be broken as **** in combat. The characters would be able to bake a cake in France, buy a newspaper in New York, learn some new languages, finish reading and analyzing James Joyce's Flinnegan's Wake, and still have enough time to come back to rip off their opponent limbs and beat them over the head with it or have enough time to build a WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION to burn them to crisp before the opponent can know what the **** happened.

[zembu]

...they probably dont kill in one blow using speed so that the fights are long and fun to watch

[Randomzx]

...they probably dont kill in one blow using speed so that the fights are long and fun to watch

Then someone with a cold sense of efficiency and brutality could easy kill all the Shinigami with an nuclear bomb or an antimatter bomb (100% matter to energy conversion as compared to 20% conversion with nuclear bomb) And they could not do anything about it. THis is because of their clusmy fighting style. (says that they need to aim for the head, and yet rarely does it with strong opponents...)

[zembu]

bombs like that dont exist in soul society and its an anime they wont make the fights one hits kill fights

[zero.counter]

Then someone with a cold sense of efficiency and brutality could easy kill all the Shinigami with an nuclear bomb or an antimatter bomb (100% matter to energy conversion as compared to 20% conversion with nuclear bomb) And they could not do anything about it. THis is because of their clusmy fighting style. (says that they need to aim for the head, and yet rarely does it with strong opponents...)
It's not like more than half of the battles between opponents already cause explosion like energy releases already (in dragonball nature)...;)

[captain_soifon]

fights would be over in 2 seconds what's there to watch

[Randomzx]

It's not like more than half of the battles between opponents already cause explosion like energy releases already (in dragonball nature)...;)

It is not really energy. Otherwise there would be a tremendous amount of heat generated. Enough to vaporize anything within range. But all you have seen so far are shear brute force that is not even aimed properly to completely overwhelm their opponents. The ground isn't even melted.

Only the first gotei ever generated the heat, and that is not one of the most effective energy usage. Compared to lightning, its nothing (lightning is 5 times hotter than the surface of the sun in during a brief strike.

[Polygon]

It is not really energy. Otherwise there would be a tremendous amount of heat generated. Enough to vaporize anything within range. But all you have seen so far are shear brute force that is not even aimed properly to completely overwhelm their opponents. The ground isn't even melted.

Only the first gotei ever generated the heat, and that is not one of the most effective energy usage. Compared to lightning, its nothing (lightning is 5 times hotter than the surface of the sun in during a brief strike.

It is energy. Reitsu. First these are spirits. And second you can't apply that kind of knowledge to manga.

And with weaker oppenets you can simply strike them. Like what byakuya did to Ichigo. But its not as easy to those of your level. Those at your level can block your speed bursts and vice-versa. Thats why its not wise to simply relly on speed the whole fight, unless you have uber endurance. Byakuya tried to kill Ichigo as quickly as possible on the bridge and on the cliff but couldn't. Thats couse their skills aere more or less even.

[zembu]

its a spirit energy not the normal kind we know in the physical world. instead of producing heat it produces a kind of preasure in the air

[AznPoi]

So far, speed is only used by characters to close in on enemies instead of finishing them as fast as possible and still have time for breakfast. The Bleach characters seems to be only be able travel super fast in one direction, and always have a major delay between moves. Even then, they didn't use speed to mutilate their opponent.
There might be several explainations for that:
(1) speed requires a lot of energy
(2) the characters can not think fast enough or have enough "RAM" to do multiple tasks in super speed mode.
(3) the Bleach characters lacks the ability to control their inertia to allow them chance direction with ease in super speed.
(4) and Finally, this type of super speed power would be broken as **** in combat. The characters would be able to bake a cake in France, buy a newspaper in New York, learn some new languages, finish reading and analyzing James Joyce's Flinnegan's Wake, and still have enough time to come back to rip off their opponent limbs and beat them over the head with it or have enough time to build a WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION to burn them to crisp before the opponent can know what the **** happened.


@Random I'll tell you one thing I learn from this forum. DON'T USE LOGIC. Ya if you check out the when Yama-jii will die in the Anime section, you will see me get flamed because I used logic. The laws of physics does not apply in Bleach unfortunately. And is it really 20% conversion in a nuclear bomb? My teacher said that the amount of mass converted into energy on the Atomic bomb on Hirsohima is only the size of a paper clip. I think 20% might be too much, but I could be wrong.

[_Ink]

forget the logical part of it and think of this
speed is good for one thing, it closes in on enemy to slash out and kill
or
run away.
two basic functions, two basic need fulfilled.
there is no need to explain. I mean, if you are still on Namek trying to explain why SSJ4 Goku is so damn powerful by converting science to fiction....just follow what Aznpoi has said.
lol....he has experienced extreme flaming in said thread.

[Randomzx]

Not only are the shinigami lacking in effective battle style, their society is also inefficient.
1) Look at their city, its so poorly designed. 50% of it consists of long corridors that could be easily broken through. Even the citzens have trouble finding their way around, this would be trouble incase of intrusion *cough*ryokas*cough*.
2)With their technologies, they didn't even think about installing security systems around the city. There are no surveillance equipment around to locate the ryokas, and no automated defense grids to hold them back.
3)With their contact with the living world, they have devices that can track hollows, and yet they don't even have any communication devices in their society. Anybody knows that communication is an esential part of battles, you've see how they failed when ryokas entered the city.
4)they always prefer to fight one on one, so they lack adequate experience to deal with extreme circumstances, and cause them to have poor team combat capabilities.
5)They didn't bother intergrating their powers and technologies into everyday life, so everything progress slowly.
6) wow, you have swords, now think up of a weapon that doesn't rely on sticking pointy edge into fleshy objects.
7) wow, you spend all this resources to create a weapon with all these special effects to slowly pierce things just to execute someone....

Then again, they probably spend 99% of their budget on weapons that they can't even use effectively.

[Sir_unforgiven]

bombs like that dont exist in soul society and its an anime they wont make the fights one hits kill fights
unless your aizen

[zembu]

lol unless your aizen

@randomzx: 1.thats just the way the city is designed its an anime

2.they do have a defence to keep out ryokas and they dont need sucurity systems to protect against ryoka that get in because theyre not supposed to be able to get in in the first place.

3.they do have communications theyre called hell butterflies you know the little black ones that fly around dilivering messages?

4.they fight one on one because thats the kind of fighting they do in soul society theyre called duals. also they do have ways of dealing with multiple enemies we see gin kill numerous hollow in a matter of seconds.

5.thats the way soul society is thats what its supposed to be like there its not supposed to be flashy machines but swords man and old japan.

6.have you never seen a shikai? besides what do you want them to do shoot each other? its not that kind of anime

7.thats used for killing captains and also thats not special effects thats the release form

and what else would they spend their resources on the buildings are made out of spirit energy

[Randomzx]

The hell butterflies are too slow to transmit information and doesn't give the full pictures. By the time they return, the target disappeared

They need the security system everywhere, you've seen how easily Ichigo's gang evade enemies by just hiding around the corners.

By using their powers to create some handy dandy magic powered devices, they could finish their paperwork faster.

[zembu]

...thats not how soul society works and besides they dont need security devices because ryoka arent supposed to be able to break into soul society

[DrSnake]

omfg just ROFL!!! this was so fun to read whahaha.

random remember 1 thing its a manga not real life the writer wants ichigo to have a change versus them so he made it like that ^^

[captain_soifon]

unless your aizen
lol we could finally agree on something, aizen is rigged

[yar]

The absurdity of this thread makes me want to light my house on fire.

[_Ink]

yeah....me too....i just rigged ichigo in my fictionious story with him having chain saws for arms and rocket blaster legs and Renji drives a ferrari in SS

Lol...back on topic, it is the design of the setting planned for the story, surely that is why we watch it no? i mean, imagine it is a legion of super duper techno dudes firing guns like in the matrix fighting each other like that and hollows come in german tiger tanks with robotic arms...what the hell would the story be like. I like how Kubo made a world that constrasted itself and is interesting.

[Raku]

Well there's really only 1 thing to say to this thread... This is Anime..

There wouldn't be much fun with an anime where evry1 goes down after 1 hit... The way they use speed in Bleach is supossed to make us go all like : " WOOAAH THATS SO DAMN FAST! GEEZ!" .. No reason to be realistic

[Caesar]

i think that even if there were bullets and so, shinigamis with their super duper sword fightng skills would slide them all.lol. what i want to say is that the sword is supposed to be better than any other weapon....... if someone shot 1 shinigami with a pistol the 2nd would move extra fast to dodge it of use his sword to protect him!!!

[zembu]

well shinigami cant be hurt by a gun anyways so they wouldnt even have to dodge it

[Randomzx]

well shinigami cant be hurt by a gun anyways so they wouldnt even have to dodge it

I never even mentioned gun once, do you know why? Because it is a weapon that still require a pointy edge to pierce something.

If you think about it, swords and guns are primitive in concepts, as they rely on sheer force to cut through stuff. You need to go beyond using physical and straightforward means to defeat your opponents. You need to defeat them by destroying them based on their fundamental existence. Guns and swords in terms of pure objectivity have a low chance of killing anyone. The most obvious factor is that guns and swords can be easily blocked, and that they could easily miss. Thus you need a weapon that have a 100% chance of defeating an opponent. Such as activating a field to break down opponents to their fundamental building blocks, or warp space and time to erase them from existence.

anyway, back on topic, with the super speed I mentioned, you could just build a detention center (with a super force field powered by a super generator to crush them out of existence) right over the opponents head before they knew what's going on. You can do this because you can do everything superfast, including thinking. Or simply just stuff them in a kamikaze rocket straight for the sun.

[sith29]

I never even mentioned gun once, do you know why? Because it is a weapon that still require a pointy edge to pierce something.

If you think about it, swords and guns are primitive in concepts, as they rely on sheer force to cut through stuff. You need to go beyond using physical and straightforward means to defeat your opponents. You need to defeat them by destroying them based on their fundamental existence. Guns and swords in terms of pure objectivity have a low chance of killing anyone. The most obvious factor is that guns and swords can be easily blocked, and that they could easily miss. Thus you need a weapon that have a 100% chance of defeating an opponent. Such as activating a field to break down opponents to their fundamental building blocks, or warp space and time to erase them from existence.

anyway, back on topic, with the super speed I mentioned, you could just build a detention center (with a super force field powered by a super generator to crush them out of existence) right over the opponents head before they knew what's going on. You can do this because you can do everything superfast, including thinking. Or simply just stuff them in a kamikaze rocket straight for the sun.

Man you sure have great imgination. Its a pity your ideas are rather stupid. it would be boring to watch some guy who kill someone else in 0,0001 s with some stupid superfast force fields

[Randomzx]

Man you sure have great imgination. Its a pity your ideas are rather stupid. it would be boring to watch some guy who kill someone else in 0,0001 s with some stupid superfast force fields

I'm just showing the different ways that I thought of off the top of my head to kill opponents.

Efficiency should be everything for the Shinigami, their whole job revolve around taking hollows down before they do any harm. To do that, they must be able to locate them as fast as they can. Sword is not the most efficient way to subdue them, as you already see how easily they are blocked and the amount of unneccessary collateral damage could be done by using either the shikai or bankai form (though their usage is severely restricted). Otherwise, their operations would not be very incognito. And you'll already seen how the hollows were able to do so much damage before any of the shinigamis have arrived. Because of that, if they want to maintain order, they must upgrade their government and break down the fighting of hollows to a science(to create a weapon to easily take them down without causing collateral damage or delay).

Otherwise, no matter how entertaining the fights are, you just cannot take seriously the fact that they are either effective or that they do not need the help from reformed Quincys or anyone else. Things like those can ruin a story.

Anyway, super speed can also be using to make the opponents kill themselves for the ultimate humuilation. Or just overwhelm the opponents with enough spikes to cover the whole earth.

Again swords is not the ultimate weapon, it all depends on the power or skill of the opponents. They could be just as effective if not more with a gun or machine gun powered by spirit energy (they could also be explosive, or multipurpose). As these weapons can increase the speed of their attacks, and are much faster than swords. After all, as history proves, cannons, siege weapons, crossbows, guns, and other projectile weapons made short range weapon almost obsolete. You try going up against a guy with a shotgun or submachine gun with a sword. Don't just say a skilled person can take them down, a well trained soldier can eat them for breakfast.

[Amu]

It is not really energy. Otherwise there would be a tremendous amount of heat generated. Enough to vaporize anything within range. But all you have seen so far are shear brute force that is not even aimed properly to completely overwhelm their opponents. The ground isn't even melted.

Only the first gotei ever generated the heat, and that is not one of the most effective energy usage. Compared to lightning, its nothing (lightning is 5 times hotter than the surface of the sun in during a brief strike.

Sorry man but lighting is not 5 times hotter! It is hot but not THAT hot...

[Randomzx]

Sorry man but lighting is not 5 times hotter! It is hot but not THAT hot...

"A bolt of lightning can reach temperatures approaching 28,000 kelvins (50,000 degrees Fahrenheit) in a split second. This is about five times hotter than the surface of the sun." -direct quote from wikipedia.

Lightning is 5 times hotter than the surface of the Sun, Why don't you go to the library and check? Do some research first before you answer. It all true. the reason people don't just vaporized is that it is very brief and due to other factors.

speaking of that, i made a mistake on the nuclear bomb matter to energy conversion percentage. it is actually 2%, I accidently added a 0 to the percentage. When you look at that, the antimatter bomb is absolutely terrifying.

[Bregandaerthe]

Someone...... Anyone with power make this subject go away. This is totaly pointless and it is only someones way of ruffling peoples feathers. It's fake. Your antimatter is beaten by my erasor or off button. Ok? Come on people. you can't seriously have to argue something like this. This is going to become a "I'm right!" "No I'm right" thing soon.

:Edit:
P.S. If lightning was that hot it would light the atmoshpere on fire and destroy the earth. It doesn't matter how long lightning lasts. chemical reactions are faster.

[Randomzx]

Someone...... Anyone with power make this subject go away. This is totaly pointless and it is only someones way of ruffling peoples feathers. It's fake. Your antimatter is beaten by my erasor or off button. Ok? Come on people. you can't seriously have to argue something like this. This is going to become a "I'm right!" "No I'm right" thing soon.

:Edit:
P.S. If lightning was that hot it would light the atmoshpere on fire and destroy the earth. It doesn't matter how long lightning lasts. chemical reactions are faster.

Didn't you read my last post? Lightning IS 5 times hotter than the Surface of the sun. ASK ANY PHYSCIST!! if you can't, CHECK OUT a book from the library about lightning, or just go to en.wikipedia.org or other online encyclopedia to SEE the FACT. I even quoted it last post. You just made those assumptions without any form of evidences or research.

And antimatter does exist!! Read the physics textbooks!! Scientists were even able to emulate it somewhat.

Also super speed should be able to create a huge shockwave or sonic boom from just moving that fast. in its wake, it should create a huge vacuum, and if it is done on the ground, it should create enough friction to create enough heat to light things on fire. Along with that, it also generate enough disturbance in the air to create a huge wind. So super speed can also cause devastation to the surrounding areas.

[AznPoi]

Ok sorry to keep you waiting Randomzx but I'll try to explain why the fights are so long in scientific terms.
Heard of the theory of relativity?
If you got a pair of twin brothers on the Earth. Brother 1 flies across the galaxy, while the brother 2 chill on Earth. 50 years later, brother 1 comes back. Who's older? Brother 1 or 2?
The answer is brother 2 became older because since brother 1 was traveling at intensely high speed across the galaxy, therefore, he did not age much relative to his brother. Therefore, brother 1 looks a hell of a lot younger than brother 2. Moving at intensely high speed literally slows down time relative to brother's 1 perspective even though our perspective he should be aging as fast as we are. Because there are four dimensions in the universe we live in, 3-D and Time is the four dimension. By moving at insanely high speed, you literally twist time and space slowing down time.
Remember Dragonball Z? They do like a billion punches and they block each other when they zoomed into the fight, but the people who are either normal civilians or low level characters that sees them fighting only sees flashes in the sky and not them punching either other. Because relative to the people on the ground, time is moving normally. But to Goku and whoever he's fighting, time is slowing down. But I don't think the writer meant to include the theory of relativity to his writings.

Theory of relativity is a theory by Einstein. It's not proven, but it makes sense. It is also a hard concept to learn. You either get it or you don't. So I think I just confused everyone. Antimatter is only a theory also.

Secondly, like I said, DON'T USE LOGIC. YOUR GETTING FLAMED.

[astrallite]

The reason the Soul Society is so arcane in its practices...probably tradition. They believe in maintaining the balance regardless, which is why they destroyed the Quincy, who were a little TOO efficient at killing Hollows.

The balance that is maintained by the Soul Society's stone-age methods seems just about right to them.

[sith29]

Again swords is not the ultimate weapon, it all depends on the power or skill of the opponents. They could be just as effective if not more with a gun or machine gun powered by spirit energy (they could also be explosive, or multipurpose). As these weapons can increase the speed of their attacks, and are much faster than swords. After all, as history proves, cannons, siege weapons, crossbows, guns, and other projectile weapons made short range weapon almost obsolete. You try going up against a guy with a shotgun or submachine gun with a sword. Don't just say a skilled person can take them down, a well trained soldier can eat them for breakfast.

Look dude. Swords aren't ultimate weapon. No one is stating that. But Bleach is so entertaining because of the climate its have. And one of the things that build that climat are sword fights. Probably shinigamis with guns would be more efective but it would not be the same anime. Shikkai, bankai and sword techniques that shinigami use are cool. They look good and its fun to watch them. If you don't like it then just go watch something else. There are tons of anime in wchich character kill each other with guns and cannons. Just go watch them and don't disturb people here anymore.

[Ravenfdasfd]

Besides... Aizen would just stop the nuclear explosion with his pinky.

[Aragami]

Sounds like some of us need to bone up on our old-school japanese mysticism/physics/alchemy...that would explain a lot of the how and why speed is used/shown in bleach. There's a anusload of old onmiyoji type references.

[Captain BenZ]

yeah....me too....i just rigged ichigo in my fictionious story with him having chain saws for arms and rocket blaster legs and Renji drives a ferrari in SS
I almost pissed my pants reading this.

In other words, I was laughing til I ran out of breath.

BTW, this topic is so absurd, so ridiculous, so stupid that it makes me want to vomit... into a cup and then freeze it.

[T_Ichigo]

I myself think that the purpose with the wonderful "shunpo" or speed is to make it looks cool and stylish while fighting .. and not like samurais who runs step by step to their opponent ..

[Ravenfdasfd]

Well seeing as how every fighting anime is based in some way or form of of DBZ Bleach MUST have some superspeed...

RIP originality...

[Gojin_Akechi]

"Besides... Aizen would just stop the nuclear explosion with his pinky."

I dont know why but that is funny for some reason. Anyways you should never mix anime with logic. Anime's arent meant to be really logical. If Anime's abided by real world laws then anime's would be very limited and probably quite boring.

[Ravenfdasfd]

Why thank you,I live to entertain *bows*
Those kind of animes exist,they're usually about feelings and stuff.
Love Hina for instance is one.

[Graphite X]

yeah and also suzuka, trying to get a girl

[Gojin_Akechi]

Yea thats true. But most animes dont abide by real world rules like hes suggesting it should basically.

[sith29]

Why thank you,I live to entertain *bows*
Those kind of animes exist,they're usually about feelings and stuff.
Love Hina for instance is one.

Love Hina and logic?? Um.. I dont think so.