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xyouxarexuglyx2
12-15-2005, 03:45 AM
When Aizen fights, I NEVER know when he used an illusion or if he really attacked, and it vexes me to the point of me hitting myself. (not really) When Aizen pwned Hitsugaya, I don't know if it was an illusion. And when he used his finger to beat Ichigo, was it illusion or real? And I don't completely understand Aizen's hypnosis. Does it make you think you are in like... a completely different world, like a dream or does it just fool them slightly?

Sandal Hat
12-15-2005, 03:49 AM
It controls all the five senses.

Aizen sealed his sword when he met Unohana (or maybe he just used hs hypnosis to make them believe that he did) so you could say he used it on Hitsugaya but, he then proceedes to whip Ichigo's and Renji's ass without Kyouka Suigetsu being released which goes to show just how powerful he is.

Islaya
12-15-2005, 04:01 AM
Hmmm, im more confused now after reading that =/

Amu
12-15-2005, 04:05 AM
uhhh...Sandal Hat how can Aizen stop Ichigo's bankai sword? BULL!@ It gotta be illusion

uhhh...Sandal Hat how can Aizen stop Ichigo's bankai sword? BULL!@ It gotta be illusion

If, if, if It is true then the power gap between Aizen and a captain is like the little healer guys and ichigo

IaMTALLw
12-15-2005, 04:07 AM
It controls all the five senses.

Aizen sealed his sword when he met with Unohana(or maybe he just used hs hypnosis to make them believe that he did) so you could say he using it on Hitsugaya but, he then proceedes to whip Ichigo's and Renji's ass without Kyouka Suigetsu being released which goes to show just how powerful he is.

oh... that makes sense... thats retarted so your saying him releasing was a smartass maneuver to create illusion on hitsugaya and take advantage of it? when he explained to 4th captain and vice?
i don't understand how he uses that offensively and slices through the person its confusing
when he controls all 5 senses which are sight smell touch feel and hearing does he make it appear that he is invisible so... hitsugaya freezes his illusion and then aizen just slices through hitsugaya and reappears? making the illusion disappear at the same time as if it were godlike speed instead to confuse the crap out of me <_< WTF IS THIS?!?!?! SANDAL HAT help me understand also... so urahara experiments with hollow shinigami hybrid and gets that ball thing and puts it inside a body which he gave to rukia in the real world and she transfered her powers into ichigo?
sry sandal hat man

Polygon
12-15-2005, 04:08 AM
The reason he can stop Ichigos bankai is because of the difference in reitsu. If you remember ht esame thing happened when he met Zakari Kenpachi. So basiccly all of Ichigos attacks are useless against him, bankai or not.

Aizens shinkai has the ability to control the 5 senses. Hopefull you know what these are. So basiccly you Feel, taste, see, hear and smell what ever he wants you to. It is an illusion. So if he wanted to he can make it looks like he is a dragon. He can make you see a penis growing outta your ass. All these things are not real, but they feel as if they were real. So in a fight he can make you feel uber ain by doing nothing.

But you can still sense reits. Which I believe to be its weakness. But this is speculation.

Amu
12-15-2005, 04:09 AM
I get mad when any info other than latest anime is given in the BLEACH ANIME section

Sandal Hat:

Do not quote spoilers. Please think before you post

Sandal Hat
12-15-2005, 04:13 AM
oh... that makes sense... thats retarted so your saying him releasing was a smartass maneuver to create illusion on hitsugaya and take advantage of it? when he explained to 4th captain and vice?
i don't understand how he uses that offensively and slices through the person its confusing
when he controls all 5 senses which are sight smell touch feel and hearing does he make it appear that he is invisible so... hitsugaya freezes his illusion and then aizen just slices through hitsugaya and reappears? making the illusion disappear at the same time as if it were godlike speed instead to confuse the crap out of me <_< WTF IS THIS?!?!?! SANDAL HAT help me understand also... so urahara experiments with hollow shinigami hybrid and gets that ball thing and puts it inside a body which he gave to rukia in the real world and she transfered her powers into ichigo?
sry sandal hat man
This is the correct answer

The reason he can stop Ichigos bankai is because of the difference in reitsu. If you remember ht esame thing happened when he met Zakari Kenpachi. So basiccly all of Ichigos attacks are useless against him, bankai or not.

Aizens shinkai has the ability to control the 5 senses. Hopefull you know what these are. So basiccly you Feel, taste, see, hear and smell what ever he wants you to. It is an illusion. So if he wanted to he can make it looks like he is a dragon. He can make you see a penis growing outta your ass. All these things are not real, but they feel as if they were real. So in a fight he can make you feel uber ain by doing nothing.

- Octogon

IaMTALLw
12-15-2005, 04:13 AM
The reason he can stop Ichigos bankai is because of the difference in reitsu. If you remember ht esame thing happened when he met Zakari Kenpachi. So basiccly all of Ichigos attacks are useless against him, bankai or not.

Aizens shinkai has the ability to control the 5 senses. Hopefull you know what these are. So basiccly you Feel, taste, see, hear and smell what ever he wants you to. It is an illusion. So if he wanted to he can make it looks like he is a dragon. He can make you see a penis growing outta your ass. All these things are not real, but they feel as if they were real. So in a fight he can make you feel uber ain by doing nothing.

But you can still sense reits. Which I believe to be its weakness. But this is speculation.

Ur saying he doesn't have to do shit and just make u feel like ur getting hurt so... kinda like itachi's mangekyou sharingan a bit in naruto?

Polygon
12-15-2005, 04:16 AM
Ur saying he doesn't have to do shit and just make u feel like ur getting hurt so... kinda like itachi's mangekyou sharingan a bit in naruto?

Yep, te illusion part anyways. But this is much more powerful.

It also seems like he needs to do a little lenghy ritual to activate his shinkai.

IaMTALLw
12-15-2005, 04:26 AM
i guess ur right so aizens weakness is he has to first get you into his hypnosis thing which takes a while, but after that its gg and u can sense reiatsu but wasnt there something about hinamori being able to hide reiatsu with kidou or demon arts something else thats confusing that Tousen guy he talks about fighting for justice or w/e and he's evil? i dun get it....

Sandal Hat
12-15-2005, 04:31 AM
IF its as easy as his unrealising then(dropping his sword on the ground) then that would be a very small weakness. I think the key to defeating Aizen is pure mind-power. Like, the stronger you train your mind then you can break free.

Tousen's Nake(what he used on Ishida to make him fall asleep) is an example of this.I doubt that would have worked on Ishida if he was at full health

Amu
12-15-2005, 04:35 AM
Tousen's Nake(what he used on Ishida to make him fall asleep) is an example of this.I doubt that would have worked on Ishida if he was at full health

uhh...sandal when was this?
Sorry I am dumb

Polygon
12-15-2005, 04:36 AM
IF its as easy as his unrealising then(dropping his sword on the ground) then that would be a very small weakness. I think the key to defeating Aizen is pure mind-power. Like, the stronger you train your mind then you can break free.

Tousen's Nake(what he used on Ishida to make him fall asleep) is an example of this.I doubt that would have worked on Ishida if he was at full health

true da. I think the reisyu thing a is a weakness. But I believe the main one is willpower. And I think you're right about nake. Otherwise it would be overpowered and he wouls've used it on zakari.

xyouxarexuglyx2
12-15-2005, 04:45 AM
So, he activates his shikai by putting his sword in the ground? Wow.. he whooped Ichigo's ass by bending his finger.

Sir_unforgiven
12-15-2005, 08:19 AM
i think most of the power he has shown so far is illusion, i just think he's really smart and knows how to use his shikai well.

_Ink
12-15-2005, 12:14 PM
No...he holds his sword in hand and releases his sword like everyone else.
The thing why it is so powerful is because everyone uses their eyes more than ever.
naturally, all he has to do is that as long the sword is in his hands and unsheathed, it is basically on.
He can make you see that you got slashed before u are actually slashed, just that he probably need not do that as his training and reiatsu is just pure powerful. The reason why Ichigo's bankai can be stopped is simply because his reiatsu is small compared to him. (i.e. what he said about stepping on ants and stuff, he is sure and confident that he is the upper hand)
What is also true is that ichigo is tired after the fight and so is renji, naturally, they have no power to stop him anyways.
And one other thing, there is no need for a ritual to turn it on, if he is a captain, and he knows bankai (which is one of the requirements) he can technically like renji, summon shikai without opening his mouth, just the thought is good enough and voila, added with his training of shunpo (which we see him own renji) he can basically do what he wants and owns.

captain_soifon
12-15-2005, 12:44 PM
i think he actually stoped the sword, cos then he slashed it, how if he wasnt really there, also if it was an illusion it wouldnt have stopped it cos there would be no real force pushing aginst the sword

_Ink
12-15-2005, 12:48 PM
ahhh...nobody said the illusion and hynopsis cannot make a real stop of the sword.
It could be that he made the illusion that the sword has stopped by his finger. Even illusionized the fact that he has used a finger when he actually ain't using any.

captain_soifon
12-15-2005, 12:50 PM
but then y does the sword stop all of a sudden, there needs to be a equal force pushing against it, his shikai controls senses

brolijc
12-15-2005, 12:54 PM
correction, i think Aizen didn't even use his Shi Kai against Hitsugaya, Ichigo or Renji, there is no need for him to do it, also, the condition for Aizen to hypnotize someone is to show them the release, i'm sure that the release had something more to it, maybe it takes time and stuffs, if not no one ever can defeat him.

captain_soifon
12-15-2005, 12:56 PM
i think he might have used it against hitsugaya

brolijc
12-15-2005, 01:00 PM
possibly not, in the manga all they showed us was Aizen slashing Hitsugaya, didn't show us Aizen in the ice which the anime did, and furthermore

in the manga, Hitsugaya is getting pawned even after he released his Ban Kai, and that was just a underling under Aizen, so Aizen gonna have to be much stronger than him if not why would they follow him

Sandal Hat
12-15-2005, 01:08 PM
.......that was Aizen's power

He had to hold back his reiatsu just to keep from crushing them like an ant.

Draffut
12-15-2005, 02:24 PM
According to the anime, he did use his illusion in the Hitsugaya fight. He simply made Hitsugaya see an illusion of himself. Watched Hitsu stab it. then casually walked up to him and sliced him in half.

That what the sword does. you see what he wants you to. The use of it to be able to sneak up on enemies and get in free, unstoppable hits is just smart use of the sword.

And I haven;t seen the whole of the new episode yet. But it looked like he didn;t use his sword on him. he just hit him with one powerful blast from a distance.

Bankai!!
12-15-2005, 10:16 PM
well his hypnosis thing is pretty strait foward it gives you an illusion so he can make a fly look like a dragon. But the attack that hitsugaya gave him froze him but it was an illusion then after he actually atacked him.

Nood
12-15-2005, 11:24 PM
I dont think Aizen used hypnosis on Hitsugaya. Because probably Your not able to froze something, that isnt there. He was just faster than how the ice completed on hes body and got out there.
I also think he didnt used it against Renji/Ichigo.
He stopped a half-dead Ichigo's sword. So its not completly ridiculous that he could do it, probably if Ichigo is on full power he atleast can cut him.
Also Renji was weak too.
So i guess he only used hes hypnosis to show it to Unohana and to make the dead body.
But i dont get something, if he is just able to make a person sense unbearable pain for hours and so on, than why does he fight? He can just make them feel like they r dieing.
There has to be a weakness to hes shikai, if not, and he can do such a things i mentioned than there is no one who can kill him, or hurt him. - Well except a blind guy with as much, or more power than what he got, and i dont think we have someone like that.


(Oh, and i think Kubo got some ideas from the same source as Naruto-guys did.)

the454casull
12-16-2005, 12:11 AM
Ok, Aizen DID use hypnosis on Hitsugaya, he can make you see what ever he wants you to see,don't forget, this Zanpaku-to takes over ALL senses, thats why he could "stab" the Illusion. Also, that WAS Aizen's shikai, no one ever said that the Zanpaku-to HAD to change shape, also, remember that you have to see the Reiatsu from his shikai in order to become hypnotized in the first place.

SmallKid57
12-16-2005, 01:43 AM
i agree... aizen's fighting is kinda cheap... its just too uber powerful... and most of all, he beat up my fav. character! and its seriously kinda cheap... i hope ichigo or yamato beats the **** out of him!

Aragami
12-16-2005, 01:48 AM
How is it cheap? He's hypnotized everyone from the start, so he can progress at unheard of levels over time without anybody even noticing. And his strength is not really power per se, but technique and timing with a gigantic amount of reiatsu. If he was as powerful as you think, he would've simply destroyed ss in much more significant ways.

SmallKid57
12-16-2005, 01:50 AM
idk.. it just seems so... idk dirty. its like fighting behind the curtains.. which is good strategy but idk, i like head to head...

Nood
12-16-2005, 08:15 AM
Ok, Aizen DID use hypnosis on Hitsugaya, he can make you see what ever he wants you to see,don't forget, this Zanpaku-to takes over ALL senses, thats why he could "stab" the Illusion. Also, that WAS Aizen's shikai, no one ever said that the Zanpaku-to HAD to change shape, also, remember that you have to see the Reiatsu from his shikai in order to become hypnotized in the first place.

He controls senses. Thus Hitsugaya may only FEEL that he stabbed him, but i dont think that ice can be hypnotized and froze something that isnt there.
Probably we will never know because this isnt what happened in the manga.

CaptainCarl
12-16-2005, 01:51 PM
I believe he did use his Shi kai against Hitsugaya during his match with him cause I believe Hitsugaya already witnessed it when Aizen tricked everybody in SS. Howver with Ichigo he never was able to condition him by showing him the illision, however ranji has seen it but Aizen chose not to use it on either of them due to his belief that he was vastly superior since he has never faught against Ichigo. So stoping his sword with his finger, even though it sounds really lame, is what Aizen did. At least in my guestimation after watching the episode.

sith29
12-16-2005, 03:30 PM
Aizen didn't use his shikkai on Ichigo. Ichigo was all wouned up then. His reiatsu was on very low level then. Aizen didn't have to use his shikkai. His reiatsu was just too big for ichigo to cut him anyway. But if ichigo was full power he would probably atleast cut Aizen.

astrallite
12-17-2005, 09:04 AM
You know what would be really cheap.

If Aizen's control had the power of a Matrix computer -- aka make you hemorrhage blood because you think you got hit. Make your own body fight against itself.

Polygon
12-17-2005, 04:17 PM
Aizen didn't use his shikkai on Ichigo. Ichigo was all wouned up then. His reiatsu was on very low level then. Aizen didn't have to use his shikkai. His reiatsu was just too big for ichigo to cut him anyway. But if ichigo was full power he would probably atleast cut Aizen.

I disagree. You're reitsu doesn't "go down" when you get injuried. When you're near death it starts to. But Ichigo was no where near death. And you still have your reitsu. Renji could have still cut a captian after he fought byakuya.

And even if it does, not that much. It wouldn't make a difference if he was fully healed ot not.

astrallite
12-17-2005, 06:21 PM
Octogon, I think what you are trying to say is, there is no way Aizen would not be cut if his unconscious reiatsu was that of a regular captain's.

Ichigo could cut Kenpachi way before he was even a match for him. Full effort should own no effort reiatsu even within a pretty wide range of individual reiatsu levels. Aizen...is on another level of another level.

ultimate
12-18-2005, 04:45 AM
wat i think is that aizen used bare hands combat technique [the different shinigami combat techniques he described] against ichigo so thats probably how aizen was able to stop ichigos bankai soul slayer and renjis shikai soul slayer [i could be wrong]... aizen had already hypnotised everybody so i think aizen used hypnosis on hitsugaya, i think hitsugayas bankai was supposed to hit aizen and then hitsugaya freezes him if he wants to so since aizen used hypnosis on hitsugaya, hitsugaya thought that he hit aizen so froze the spot where he "hit" aizen but the real aizen was not there and aizen just calmly walks up and slashes hitsugaya... u must see aizen release his shikai for u to be hypnotised then he can manipulate the 5 senses

Ichigo Soul Slayer
12-18-2005, 04:49 AM
Did anybody ever remember this? The thing is he damages Ichigo so easily because your soul slayer's connected to you. Because of that, he can just twist his soul slayer and it hurt him. It isn't anything that complex.