Kurotsuchi Mayuri FC

[Hansy]

Aside from all you Ishida fanboys/girls, I really don't see what you have against this guy. I happen to think he's pretty cool, he's the baddest guy, but on the good team, how ironic, also, his moves are cool, he's a genius, and his zanpaku-to is by far the most unique i've seen in the series. Anyway, if you want to join, go ahead, i'll have a banner up tommorow.

Owner: Hansy
Members:
Silfrsyn
Pazuzumaki
Sandal Hat
Draki
Cailous
Zeke
Kyouka Suigetsu
Behold the Void

Banner: (Anyone else fell free to make one too)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Oblivions-Twin/MayuriFCMiniBannerMcopy.jpg

[Hits]

good luck....there is already a Mayuri FC, and it had 0 members...even the owner of the FC didn't want to be a member...lol.
http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4658&highlight=mayuri

[Hansy]

Oh I didn't know that, well than I will stand here just so no one can say "Nobody likes Mayuri" because then I'll fly into their thread and say.

I LIKE MAYURI FOOL!!!

Anyway thanks for the 'good luck'

[Hits]

You Monster Lover!
I Curse You To The Deepest Pits Of Hell!
Hey...don't get too rude here...

[Thing]

lol, I'm only kidding...
Forgive my rudeness.
Anyhow... Mayuri is a very evil fictional character.
He doesn't deserve a fan club.

[Sandal Hat]

Attention: This fanclub is for Fans of Mayuri. If you don't got nuthing nice to say don't say it all http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Silfrsyn]

I'll join.

[Hansy]

Cool ^^, I'm working on a banner now, Hard to find good pics of Mayuri...But i'll add you to the list, and I don't mind if people argue that Mayuri isn't great Sandal Hat, thanks though. As for Thing, he may be evil, but so are pirates, so there!

[Pazuzumaki]

Mayuri is my idol, I wanna be just like him when I grow up! I beg of you to let me join this, the greatest of all fanclubs! You, yourself, are a god for even opening this alter of worship to such a glorious character!

Hehe...went a little overboard. But serriously, Mayuri freaking rules. I'd like to join.

[Silfrsyn]

cool, thanks.

[Sandal Hat]

I'll join too.

Someone should make a banner using Mayuri's real form so his face won't scare ppl from joining:)

[captain_soifon]

his cool, he does have blue hair =)

[Hansy]

soifon you wana join or just ramble about his hair XD (either is fine!)
Sandal Hat and Pazuzumaki (THE ENTHUSIASM!!!) added, but I made the banner before reading your post Sandal so the banner has his sciency form, oh well, I might make another later.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Oblivions-Twin/Mayurifcm.jpg
Here is the banner for anyone who wants to use it, i'm planning to make a larger banner to put on top of the first post to be flashy! Thats pending though.

[Pazuzumaki]

It seems to me that the anti-Mayuri thread isn't quite getting what makes this guy such an awesome character. I love Kurotsuchi-dono BECAUSE he can make me hate him so much. You gotta appreciate the beauty in a fictional character that you can physically despise with such vigor.

Besides, he is incredibly interesting on just about every level.

[Hansy]

I never really hated him, thought he was kinda wierd, but I really liked his 'Its my own agenda' attitude. I am curious while no one ever objected to him killing his own squad members for frivilous purposes.

[Silfrsyn]

because he'd probably kill them before they did.

[blazedsouls]

all join anti-mayuri fc..

[Hansy]

Attention: This fanclub is for Fans of Mayuri. If you don't got nuthing nice to say don't say it all http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

No, we won't if we were going to, we would have already...And then probably not have joined this...

[Pazuzumaki]

Yeah, he is totally Bizzare. Gotta love the eccentricity of a mad-scientist as neurotic as Mayuri-dono. Oh, and being that he is the captain of those men who died, he can always just right it off as "they died in the line of duty". After all, I'm sure that none of the other captains have to suffer any consequences when one of their squad is slain because of orders they were given, the difference is that most captains would feel responsible. Mayuri is exempt of such emotional restrictions, so I guess he is also the best for getting the job done, eh?

On a side note, do you think I would get mauled if I cosplayed as Kurotsuchi-dono? I think that it'd be so much fun. ^_^

[Silfrsyn]

On a side note, do you think I would get mauled if I cosplayed as Kurotsuchi-dono? I think that it'd be so much fun. ^_^

lol, probably 75% chance I would say... But if you do, just means you're getting the most attention as well.

[Pazuzumaki]

Hehe, I'd need to have one of my friends go as Nemu so I could have someone to defend me ^_^*. Hope no Uryuu lovers bring a real bow along...that could get ugly.

Hmm...I think I'm going to try and do a slideshow sig for Kurotsuchi-dono and his "daughter". Don't hold me to my word though, I'm as unreliable as anyone you could find, and equally inexperienced.

[Hansy]

You might get mauled ^^, although I think you'd get more 'ewwww' faces from most people, as it just seems unlikely for somone to harbor so much hate for a fictional character as to attack somone cosplaying as him. I suppose your right about the line of duty thing, but at the rate he appears to go through his men, you'd think he'd get a notice to. 'Increase the efficency of his soliders' or something, but I guess we can't expect him to care. Because he probably doesn't, like in one of my favorite moments with him, where he was finally human-ish, and Nemu asked him about Rukia's excecution and Aizen's betrayal and the dramatic effect on soul society and! He didn't really care...that was great.

[Pazuzumaki]

Hehe, yeah, that was hilarious. In a sadistic sort of way, Mayuri really is one of the more amusing characters. I mean, he is COMPLETELY evil, but he has absolutely no interest whatsoever in any world-crumbling plots. All he cares about is his bloody research, and in the end, that's what makes him so successful in his expiraments. Who else could create an entire person from scratch? Not someone who cares about "ethics" or "morals", that's for sure. Wow, it's ironic that he can be such a total demon, yet be trusted not to cause any trouble due to his complete devotion to his craft. The more I think about Kurotsuchi-dono, the more I love him ^_^

[Hansy]

Yea, Yama-jii is probably like. 'Hmmm, he could probably cause total havoc, but something tells me he's too lazy...I guess i'll just let him continue his research'

[Silfrsyn]

ya know, I never considered him really evil, just neutral or something. Because he doesn't really fight for either side, I think the only reason he went against the Ichigo team with the rest of the captains was to get some new specimens, and I don't think he really wanted to kill them either... or at least not yet.

[Hansy]

He wanted to kill Ishida near the end there i'm pretty sure though...

[Silfrsyn]

I think that's because with the fight Ishida put up, he figured Ishida dead might be easier.

[Hansy]

I suppose, since he did state it was a shame he would be unable to study such a lovely specimen. And then he kinda turned into goo...

[Pazuzumaki]

Good day, everyone. I have come to inform you of our Mayuri hating buddies and their unannounced proposal.

Let's make a Mayuri FC vs Anti "IT" FC Thread!! WHO ARE WITH ME!?!?!?! XD

Although we are fewer (and far less zealous), this could still be fun. What do you all think?

Oh, and it appears that they think that my oppinion of Mayuri being loveable because he inspires so many twisting emotions of curiousity, fear, and hate applies to all of you, and I'm sorry for this misconception somehow rising among their ranks. Just because I'm drawn to Kurotsuchi-dono in the same way I'm interested in centepedes, venomous spiders, sharks, and other amazing, frightening creatures of the world, doesn't mean any of you feel the same way. In fact, some of you don't even think he's evil (I still think he's the evilest one on the show), so it's certain that each of us ike him for a different reason.

Finally, for all of you spies...Mayuri-dono is so totemo kawai that I just want to buy a plushie of him and give that loveable goof a big hug!! He is sooo much smarter than Urahara, and Quincies are just plain stupid and dull compared to him and his beauty!! He should become the main character so we can follow him and his fascinating life 24/7!! In fact, I hope that every episode of filler revolves entirely around that handsome genius!

[Silfrsyn]

Sounds kind of interesting...

[Draki]

could I join? blue hair is really awesome and I think Mayuri is cool.

[Pazuzumaki]

I don't think Hansy would have any problems if I said "welcome", so, welcome!! I was shocked to see that Mayuri had cool blue hair underneath that crazy get-up as well. Makes me wonder why he wears that bizzare outfit in the first place, but I'm not complaining because I think he looks awesome.

Anyways, why are you drawn to the mad-scientist of the twelfth division? The unorthodox devices? The frightening power of his Zanpakuto? The Blue hair? The crazy? I like the whole package, myself, and I think he is one of the most origional characters I have ever seen.

P.S. Hansy, please respond to that whole "Anti-Mayuri vs pro-Mayuri" thread thing, because I think our hateful cousins are getting antsy. <_<

[Draki]

thank you, ^^
I just think he's just so deviously kawaii.

[DocInsanity]

P.S. Hansy, please respond to that whole "Anti-Mayuri vs pro-Mayuri" thread thing, because I think our hateful cousins are getting antsy. <_<

ahmm...not meaning to intrude in this fanclub...not that i want to join or anything :whatevah:

I was just getting really anxious. Isn't there a co-owner in this FC who can accept the invitation instead?

[Pazuzumaki]

I accept the challenge! Even if no one else goes with me, I'm at least willing to fight the good fight in the name of one of one of my favorite characters. Hansy and the others can smite me later if they are afraid of getting flamed by a horde of haters, but I doubt they are such cowards. Bring it on, and we'll mutilate and disect whatever you have in the name of progress.

[Amu]

What do you Mayuri fans think of Mayuri's treatment of Nemu like a dog?

[Pazuzumaki]

Yeah, he is a jerk to her, but you've gotta understand that he's a sociopath. When he looks at anyone, he doesn't really see a person. In a Quincy or other human with unique power, he sees an anomoly he wishes to understand, which is why he disects them as he did. Afterall, they were dying anyways, so he might as well get every bit of information out of them that he can so that they don't just disappear without ever being fully understood. In a Shinigami, he sees reiatsu and potential threat or use of an individual. He was willing to sacrifice his squad members because he knew them and that they had no potential, so there is no reason that they shouldn't have SOME use doing the job they wanted. And finally, in Nemu, he simply sees an invention that he created from scratch.

Nemu obviously understands this, as she allows herself to be treated in such a horrible manner, and knows that she only exists as his tool. In fact, she never even has any complaints about her situation, because it gives her a place in existance, into which she was born artificially. I do feel bad for her, but only because she is so hopeless in her loyalty, a mere slave to the very core. She is NOT a person, she is just as much, if not more, of an "it" as Mayuri, and if you feel bad for her, you should feel sympathy for her creator for being so diluded. Don't you ever wonder what made him the wierdo he is? I wonder if he was born that way?...hmmm...

P.S. this is all just speculation by me.

[Amu]

He is still an *** (another word for buttock) to Nemu

[Pazuzumaki]

Yeah, and Jinta's a jerk to Ururu, Ichimaru is a HUGE jerk to Kira, Aizen is just as much a jerk to Hinamori, and Ichigo and Ganju (among others) constantly abuse Hanatarou. Rag on them if you feel so strongly about the abuse, because in their case the person they're mistreating isn't fine with it. Nemu is a tool, and though Mayuri should take better care of his inventions, she is his property to do with as he sees fit (and she doesn't even think anything contrary to that).

[Draki]

I don't really care because they're not real people.

[Silfrsyn]

same here.

[Undying]

I don't wish to intrude... But, you ignore 2 things:
1) Ichigo is a friend to everyone he abuses. The jerks he beats up are usually punks who don't know theire lives. Therefore, Ichigo's "abuse" of others is more like a quarell among good friends, so there is no grudge. Mayuri is an @ss to evreyone. And Nemu is his daughter! If beating, and cutting, and threatening to break one's doughter is a good thing... Then this world just went to the dogs.
2) You guys said it yourself. Mayuri doesn't see a human being when he looks at anyone. What kind of a person will look upon you and see some interesting "thing" to dissassemble at a whim?
I just don't get you people. Hopefully you will accept our challenge and we can all state clearly our opinions and facts. Last, I don't, and won't, hate any of you. It's "it" that I hate!

[Pazuzumaki]

It's cool, I've never judged anybody negatively just for having a different oppinion than me, and I can understand fully why you dislike him. I do wish that you would stop relating everyone's views on Mayuri with mine, however. Everyone here has their own oppinions regarding Captain Kurotsuchi, many quite different from my own. Just because I am the most vocal doesn't mean that I'm the voice of the entire group. (Heck, I'm not even the leader of this thread.) My personal reason for liking him is because he interests me, much in the same way that strange and bizzare creatures and scary movies about the paranormal fascinate me. He's scary, wierd, and origional, and that's what makes him so awesome.

As for the Ichigo's "quarell among friends" thing, you are entirely right, and that was an undeniably poor comparison on my part (though I noticed you ignored all of the other examples and attacked only this). However, Ichigo was treating the weak, pathetic nerd violently since the moment they met, and poor Hanatarou is actually used to being abused by everyone like that, so he just shrugged it off. Poor guy doesn't get a break.

Finally, Nemu is only Mayuri's daughter in that he made her, and that they share the same name. He didn't raise her, he just put her together from scratch as an adult in one successful expirament, so how can you expect him to view her as most parents view their child? Heck, even if she was his "real" daughter, I doubt he'd care about her, but then again, what woman would ever even think of having a child with such a psycho? Maybe being avoided and feared by everyone is part of his problem? Hehe, I wonder if he even does have any attraction for women, or if he gets all of his kicks making alien devices? (Again, a comment only from MYSELF, not from my club).

[Draki]

For me I also like him because... well one of the captains had to fight Ishida, and if Ishida didn't get to fight one during the SS raid, he would just look even weaker, like Orihime.

[Hansy]

Yea Draki you can join ^^, Sorry I haven't posted much, my computer sucks so random, (yes, totally random threads and sites) just freeze my internet...They change periodically, but this seems to be a prime target T-T, so I can't even view the fc that much. Anyway, as for the whole challenge thing, despite Pazuzumaki already taking some initative (go you!) I do not accept. Simply because I find it stupid, I could probably name every reason you guys don't like Mayuri, and I know that your sticking strong to those reasons, but guess what, I know all those reasons and like him still the same, so i'm not going to bother debating whether he is cool or not, its a matter of opinion, and in ours which are completely opposite, there is no point to try and convince the other.

Edit: Since this has already semi-began I guess I'll post my opinions. As for Nemu being treated like a dog, 1: All of my friends who have dogs treat them like babies (so annoying, I hate dogs...) so this is a bad comparison in my view, anyway, on to the relevant stuffs.

2: Nemu was 'made' by him, she was made 'for' him, she was made to do anything and everything he says. Whether to slice her in half to fight foes or for a pleasure toy at night the point is she was made completely to do his bidding, and yes its evil that he did that, but i'm pretty sure she 'knows!' this. All she does is apologize, its not like she hates Mayuri's guts, she's just a docile puppet and should be treated as such, if he gave her passion or all human feelings and such, then maybe Mayuri would seem evil, but he didn't make Nemu 'to' be evil to her, he made her as a tool, and sometimes tools 'get broken' and tools are used, sacrificed, a human body was just the best tool he could get.

Edit2: Oh I forgot, I made a better (in my opinion) banner, use whichever you like, although this one is going in the first post.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Oblivions-Twin/MayuriFCMiniBannerMcopy.jpg

[Draki]

Mayuri vs Tousen, who do you think would win?

[Pazuzumaki]

In a battle of Bankais, Mayuri's freaky giant baby-alien monster thing would win, simply because the poison would kill Tousen, regardless of if he could see or not. Tousen might be able to kill Mayuri before he dies, but the fact remains that he doesn't have the antidote.

Shikai is a different story, though, because as powerful as the legshredder priests' paralysis is, it is still extremely short range, and I have no idea what kinda moves Tousen has.

[Hansy]

Tosen has the thing that knocks you out and benihikou which shoots blades all over the place. And for bankai, Mayuri could use Konjiki Aishoji Jizou, poison Tousen, then just turn into goop and wait till Tosen died.

[Undying]

Hansy, you and I share the same view for dogs. But... If you were to make yourself a doughter - same way "it" made Nemu, would you treat her like some immobile object? She does have feelings and sensations. What "it" thinks of everyone and everything edges too close to Nazism for my taste. I do not hate "it" because he is a mad scientist, I hate him because "it" can't see a human being. I despise such people. How can you like something that can look at you and think: "well... I wonder how does his spine looks like?" If you can, then you are sick and need help. @Pazuzumaki, Ichigo was treating Hanatarou badly, I agree, but he is like that. "it" would have dismembered Hanatarou, not defended him with "it"s life. Ichigo can treat Hanatarou as badly as you like, but he'll never kill him nor will he harm him. "it" most definetly would.

[Silfrsyn]

I don't see Mayuri being anywhere close to Nazism, because he thinks of everyone equally, also I believe he created the daughter 'Nemu' as a metaphor in cell biology, for that a daughter cell is created when the father cell splits. Also, Mayuri will follow rules, so he is not allowed to harm Hanatarou, for Hanatarou is not in his division, and also it'd just be a waste of time on him anyway.

(I'm sorry if I sound mean or anything, I'm just tired)

[Hansy]

If I created somone like Nemu, a daughter for me, of course not, I would probably treat her with love. (Not that I would actually create one just because i'm like 13 and don't want a daughter >>; ) Anywho, Mayuri did not create Nemu to have a daughter, he created her to have an immobile object, he created her so she would be his tool. A human is just the best shape, and he gave her intellegence so she could help him the most, your misunderstanding Mayuri, you guys make him sound like he's out do hurt and hate everyone, that is not true, he just does his own thing, the only 'evil' part about him was that he doesn't care if he hurts someone. If anything, making Nemu so docile was merciful, what do you think Hinamori would have done if she had to put up with what Nemu does, she'd have an emotional breakdown, Mayuri couldn't have that with Nemu, so he made her love him and just do what he said without question. Mayuri didn't make a 'daughter' he made a tool, and his tool is just considered his 'daughter' also, what he did is way better than Aizen who got Hinamori to love him, then betrayed her when she was finally happy. Although I like Aizen too, just not as much as Mayuri, and If you think that makes me 'sick' than thats your opinion.

PS: This is the Mayuri fanclub, despite your Anti-Fc's customs, he is a he in this fc, not an it, besides, even if you did call him an it, its really weird to switch to he in the middle of your post.

[Pazuzumaki]

I disagree with several of you guys about him not being evil. Sure, he obeys the laws and has no intention of taking over, but he has no morals or sympathy for anyone else, and will kill anyone torturously in the name furthering himself. Killing anyone for your own benefit is not neutral in my book, it is evil. Also the fact that he takes such a sense of sadistic pride in the power of his inventions and zanpakuto. I think the reason he got so mad at Nemu when she "didn't let herself get cut right" was because he was upset that his invention didn't work as well as it should have in field testing.

Again, all of this is speculation. I don't think we'll ever get the whole picture of Mayuri's twisted mind anytime soon, so you guys are free to argue his neutrality. Man, is he ever strange, though, a symptom of his genius, no doubt.

Oh, while on the subject of Aizen, I actually have no interst in him. In fact, before he came back from the dead, I thought that it would have been the coolest twist ever if Hitsugaya was the actual evil mastermind, and Gin was just a misunderstood bistandard. Afterall, everyone just believed Hitsugaya's story of Aizen and Gin talking about some ominous threats, he could have made it all up to get people focused on Gin so that he could get the executioners axe for himself. Man, if Aizens Subordinates weren't so cool, I swear I wouldn't care for him as a villain.

[Hansy]

Well wether or not we consider him evil are not seems to depend on how bad somone has to be for us to find them evil, but what i'm mainly saying is, evil or no, he, unlike Aizen, does not try to cause harm, he will, but he doesn't want to for the fun of it.

[Undying]

Hansy-san, I already edited my post. Now... In respect for this FC, I will call "it" by name. Mayuri created Nemu to be his tool, true, but that does put Mayuri in a strange light. Would you have created someone to be your tool? And even if you did, afterwards, can you truly view whatever you created (if it's humanoid, like Nemu) as a tool? She does have feelings, she hurts when she is cut. Mayuri created a human (so to speak, Shinigami's aren't human, after all). Now... I read your last post. Mayuri does not try to cause harm?????? 'scuse me? Mayuri has fun causing harm. I don't understand what are you seeing whrn you look at Mayuri. Mayuri is a sadist, a madman, and if it would've further promoted Mayuri's research, Mayuri would have gone with Aizen. It's just that it's not that "fun" cutting Hollows, ain't it? Look, Hansy-san, our points of view are very different, it's obvious, but I think you have a few things wrong about Mayuri. You're thirteen? 0.0 Bleach is descending in age from moment to moment... To tell you the truth, I think you're a bit more mature than 13. You're a Hitsu-like peron! Hitsugaya-taichou... That you? ^_^

[Hansy]

Thanks for editing, anywho, while Nemu does have feeling, she lacks feelings also, she can feel no anger towards Mayuri, no sadness for what befalls her, she feels the pain of being cut by him, but doesn't care, as she is blinded by being ashamed of not pleasing him, she loves him, she thanked Ishida and went against Mayuri's orders and saved Ishida out of gratitude for sparing him. If she doesn't care about being abused, if she is still happy, why shouldn't we be?

As for him not trying to cause harm. Yes, he blows his men up, yes, he finds it slightly amusing to toy with them. But does he ever do it 'just' for fun, no, he didn't blow his men up to see their guts, but to kill the ryoka, he would have just killed Orihime if he didn't find her intresting, He may have fun being evil, but he isn't evil to have fun, despie how much he might ever enjoy it, the reason he did something evil in the first place is always just so he gets what he wants, what he wants (so it seems) is just more knowledge, to get to the next level of science, and the most evil part about him is he just doesn't care how many he has to sacrifice or what he has to do to get to it.

[Undying]

Really? Can you imagine yourself killing your own subordinates just to get what you want? And enjoying it? Look, Nemu loves Mayuri as her father. Yeah, I know, she realizes that she was created to serve as a tool. To tell you the truth, I don't care what she feels. I'm putting this from a humane point of view. That's why don't like Mayuri. Because Mayuri isso inhuman. I hate it. I just can't bring myself to even feel sympathy for something that looks at a human and sees an interesting toy. Or worse - he sees a microb, to be examined, dismembered and crushed on a whim. Look, Hansy-san, I usually don't have any problem with people having fun killing (in Anime. Not in real life). I take an example from Samurai Deeper Kyo. My favorite chracter there is Kyo, and he has fun fighting. But there is a difference between him and Mayuri. While Kyo fights opponents who can fight back, who can even kill him, Mayuri will only confront any adversery with the moinimal effort of disabling him, and Mayuri won't approach him if the enemy has the slightest chance of fighting back. Remember what Mayuri said to Inoue? "I will just give you drugs five times a day..." so on and so forth. That is digusting. Look at Urahara for instance. He had the highest level of science, developing thing no one has ever succeded in doing. I don't see him blowing up his subjects. Oh, suuure, he sent Ichigo on a seemingly death mission, he hid the Hyougenkyo inside Rukia... Ichigo - he won. Urahara knew that Ichigo will win, he knew that Ichigo will achieve BanKai and beat the Soul-Society guys. Rukia - I think that Urahara assumed that Rukia will not be found. But that I don't know. All in all, you just can't find any explanation to Mayuri's actions beyong pure sadistic pleasure.

[Hansy]

No, its not pure sadistic pleasure, thats what i'm trying to get you to understand. Yes, he would have given Inoue drugs 5x a day, but why? Not because he thinks its fun (well, he might) but because he'd never seen powers like her and wanted to research her.Why did he make his guys explode, to kill the Ryoka, it was his job. Despite how much sadistic pleasure he might ever get, its always for his research. Your making it sound like he does it for the pleasure of it, and I just want you to get that he does everything for his own pursuit of knowledge, any pleasure he may get from it is lucky him. And yes, he is of an inhuman and horrible personality, if thats why you hate him than you can expect to keep hating him. But just realize that I think your thoughts on his motives are wrong.

[Undying]

Our prespectives are different. We won't persuade each other. I don't even try. I just want to understand why do you people love Mayuri. Now. Mayuri will give Inoue 5x drugs a day. So he can research her powers. Imagine yoirself in his place. Will you do it? I think not. There are many ways to research things, most of which are not by dismembering the subject. Mayuri obviously chooses this way for the pkeasure of it. He is a sadist. Can you llike a sadist? I can't. I just can't think of Mayuri as a human. Of any sadist, for that matter. Last point, Mayuri wanted to kill the Ryoka? Mayuri's a captain for god's sake. Any captain should have been able to deal with any Ryoka with zero problems. This adds cowardice to Mayuri's list of faults. Blow up your men just to kill a few beings that you should be able to dispose of wasily? Not you, nor anyone but a mad sadist would have done it. Pursuit for knowlege? Urahara pursued knowlege (and still does). I necer saw him blow up his subordinates.

[Hansy]

Dismembering a human is not the only way to research one no, but it is probably the best, also, we have 'no' idea what the Urahara's methods were, but he was exiled for a reason so we may assume they were pretty dangerous, and I think Soul Society would prefer that a few bugs of shinigami die than for somone to blow the place up and/or put it in serious jeapordy. I'm not saying Mayuri isn't evil, or that he's not a sadist, but he's still cool, he's a genius, I like his personality, he is willing to do anything to pursue his goal, he's a determined fellow, and he does things his own way, he's a very unique character, and I think he's cool, he uses gadgets, a fairly intresting zanpaku-to, and more. Thats why I like him, not because I have delusions of him being a 'good guy' I can like the badguy, and if I was in his position, I would do the same things he does, why? because in essence, his theory is right, there are tons of wanna-be shinigami, who cares, what will matter if he uses a few to kill some Ryoka he doesn't have any intrest in, he may not care about anything but himself, but if a few wimpy shinigami die, so what?

If you really want to know what i'd do, I'd probably do the same thing with only 2 differences, first, i'd tell my members they had bombs in them, and I wouldn't blow them up if they won, but if they were losing, what else would they be good for, I would do the same thing he did. If I was researching somone, and wanted to know 'everything' about them, yes, I would dismember them. If I made a tool, yes, a human would be nice, as well as one with enough intellegence to help me without me having to tell them each specific command.

Mayuri does everything the best way he can get what he wants, and even if its 'evil' thats the price he is willing to pay, maybe he could be a bit nicer, but thats not something he wishes to bother with, he doesn't care about anything except for himself, so why should he care if people die for him?

[Undying]

There is something there that you ignored. It's a little thing called "paying the price" Mayuri does anything Mayuri wants, but is Mayuri willing to pay the price? I don't think so. Mayuri lets other pay the price. That is uncool. If I like the bad guy (mostly I do, they are cooler then the good guys) he is Usially willing to pay the price. simple as that. Now you said that you would have told your subordinates they had bombs in them Had Mayuri done than, it would not be the Mayuri you love and I hate, it would have been some other character. About Urahara's methids, it was never said he dismembered anyone, nor put anyone in needless danger. Remember that he made that shortcut for BanKai training? He tested it on himself and deemed it too dangerous to use. Would Mayuri test anything on himself? Let me give you an example. Did you watch GetBackers? There was a bad guy there that modified his body to, like, super-human-weapon. He tested it on others first. You can't say that is something nice. Mayuri does the same. And if Urahara would have done it the same way, everyone would hate him, not talk of hime with respect. And, lastly, there are many ways to to study a subject, and yes, oneof them is to take some "wanna-be", like you put it, and destroy them. Do you know who did it the same way? The Nazis. They took Jews and experimented with them, leading to much more horrible deaths than by gas or fire. And for them, the Jews were "wanna-bes".

[Hansy]

Mayuri's unwillingness to pay the price is part of his genius. He's just not willing to die for stupid things like the rest of the characters. Sure he wanted to study Ishida but he'd rather live than get killed trying to study him. And he's willing to pay the price, he's just both unintrested in it. If there is something he really wants i'm sure he will risk his life for it, but most things he just doesn't care about enough to do so. Like I said, he's selfish, of course he is going to test on other people, of course he'd rather just blow them up on somone than have to waste his precious time fighting them himself, but 'will' he if he has to. Once his 'blow up subordinate' plan failed, he walked out and decided to fight Ishida himself, since that seemed like the only way to get things done, and Ishida's about to kill him, so he runs away, anyone who wouldn't is an idiot. Ishida was already dying, would die if he retreated, and all that would come from Mayuri's staying was his own death anyway, so in that case, no, he wasn't willing to pay the price. But I think he is willing, he just doesn't want to because then he's dead, no, he's not stupid like Ichigo going into a life-threatening fight arrogantly every 5 seconds, but thats idiocy, not courage, or 'willingness to pay the price', he isn't like Hitsugaya, who will start attacking like a reckless madman the instant you make him mad. One of Mayuri's top priorities are to stay alive, and its a damn good priority to have, what good is his research when he's dead? No, maybe he doesn't want to die, but whats wrong with that, would you want to always be risking your life? Or would you prefer to live instead? If your answer is the later than are you different from him in 'not wanting to pay the price'.

As for the Nazi thing, I don't know much about that whole era, but yea, he experimented on those 'wannabees', but as you said, the Nazi's did that to the jews, he didn't do it to anyone in particular, he did it to everyone who was too weak to be of any different use. It would have been alot different if the Nazi's had experimented on 'everyone', but they didn't, just jews, unlike Mayuri, he isn't a racist/religious/bias punk, which is alot of the Nazi's problem, but like I said, I don't know much about that entire fiasco.

[Undying]

When Mayuri went up against Ishida, he did not think he was in for anything life threatening. he didn't, until he made Ishida mad. If he was like Ichigo he'd have won. Regardless of the "main character" thing, anyone with Ichigo's resolve can keep on fighting. Mayuri though of escape the instant he was cornered. That is a sure way to lose. Besides that, a person (in Mayuri's case, a thing) who is willing to kill everyone and everything for the sake of research... I'm forbidden to compare Mayuri and Urahar by my FC owner, but lets put hard facts up: Urahara tested most of his inventions on himself or on Hollows. Mayuri tests this on Shinigami's. See the plain differnce?

[Hansy]

Ichigo's resolve does not keep him fighting, it 'is' because he's a main character. Tell me, did 'resolve' help him cross a 200+ year gap of experience to beat half of soul society in a week? No, its because he's the main character. Did resolve save him when Kenpachi impaled his lung/heart and he was left dying and bloody on the ground, no, its because he is the main character, he is alot more agressive than Mayuri, and made that way because you know as well as I do he's not going to die in a fight anytime soon. If somone beats your bankai as well as blows a foot long hole in your stomache with one attack, then you sure as hell should run. 'Only' Ichigo would stand his ground just because Kubo would give him another stupid power-boost to survive anyway.

As for the comparison between Urahara's and Mayuri's methods, I understand what you mean, but I don't understand the point i'm supposed to get from it. Mayuri is more mean? Of course he is, he's as evil as Aizen, but overall I would say he's probably less dangerous to soul society in his experiments than Urahara. And so what if some shinigami died? Rukia should have died, Kaien died, Kaien's wife died, and they were both results of Aizen's experiments. Chad/Ishida/Yoruichi/Ichigo/Renji took down tons of shinigami, but does anyone care about them? No, does anyone even 'care' Mayuri is using his crew as bombs, no. Mayuri is evil as hell, but when you look at him in comparison to others, the rest of them arn't that nice either, he's not the only one carelessly throwing away his shinigami, I bet alot of them are dying and the Gotei 13 don't even give a damn. Anyway, thats off the point, just to show you its not 'just' Mayuri who doesn't care much about others.

Yes, Urahra, as I said, is much nicer than Mayuri, he's a much nicer person, but so? I'm in the Mayuri fc not because I have delusions of him being nice one day, but because I think he is cool. Yes, he's a horrible person, yes he doesn't care about anyone but himself but I find that cool. Its realistic, do you know how many people in the world don't care about everyone else? Mayuri's probably the most realistic character in the show, why should he be intrested in Aizen's tactics? They arn't his concern, why should he care about the little underlings who he doesn't have the time nor the patience to teach to ever be more than a spec of dust, if they want to serve him thats their choice. He's not stupid and unrealistic like some characters, for example.

Ichigo: 'Lets go attack an army of shinigami 100x stronger than me right as we get into soul society!'
Hitsugaya: 'Lets abrupty attack Gin because he made me kinda mad and show off my skills!'
Byakuya: 'Lets be filled with pride and not try to attack until your about to get your ass whooped and finally end in a cheesy last attack'
Tousen: 'Let me explain my Bankai to you despite the fact that you can't hear me anyway'
Urahara: 'Lets hop around and goof off against life-threateningly strong opponents
Shunsui: 'Lets offer our opponents some sake before we fight and have a dramatic introduction.
Yamamoto: 'Lets appear a second after the villain is just out of our reach so the story can continue'
Ichigo: 'Lets wait until the Soukyoku is an inch away from Rukia for dramatic effect'
Hitsugaya: 'Lets somehow know all of Aizen's plans and to conviniently go to the central 46'
Ichigo: 'Lets talk in the middle of our life or death fight and grin like buddies'

I could go on

What has Mayuri ever done unrealisticly, he approaches things strategically, is straightforward, and holds to his personality. 'That' is why I like Mayuri, he has a realistic personality and follows it well, despite how evil he might be, besides, its anime, not reality, so there is nothing wrong with being evil, and for some reason I find using little bugs of shinigami as pawns very cool of him to do.

[Undying]

If so, then I have nothing more to say to you on this matter. Your opinions are set, and you will not give an inch. I admire that. Now if you will exuce me, I might as well get off this thread. I bid you all good day.

[Hansy]

And you too, it was a nice conversation, and its good to see why people might hate Mayuri so much. Just to be clear though, is basically what your saying you hate Mayuri 'cause he's an evil bastard? Because then yes, your totally correct and shouldn't give an inch yourself.

[Undying]

I do hate Mayuri because he is an evil maniacish bastard. I hope we can have more conversations in the future Hansy. I enjoyed talking to you. Farewell.

[Hansy]

Farewell! *dramatic thespian wave*
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'Attention members!'
Okay, now that the debates been over (slightly) lets have a conversation about Mayuri himself like all the other fc's do with their characters :P

[Pazuzumaki]

Uhhh....You already said almost everything I like about Mayuri as you defended his awesomeness. We haven't seen enough of him or his history to understand his motives, so talking about his personality is all just guesses.

I've already explained that I love him because he is scary, sadistic, methodical, and alien. He tickles the darkest string of my heart whenever I see him, he is hellish cool incarnate. I will make a super sig of him as soon as I can figure out how to use this dumb 'gimp' program. Wish me luck ^_^*.

Also, how on earth do I have more than 5 pics in my sig? Are you all just combining them all into mega pics so they'll fit, or what? It's driving me nuts.

[Silfrsyn]

Also, how on earth do I have more than 5 pics in my sig? Are you all just combining them all into mega pics so they'll fit, or what? It's driving me nuts.

I just combined mine...
But I'd like to see the sig once ya make it. (^_^)

[Hansy]

Yup, you combine them ^^, thats why in mine for example the Ichimaru Gin FC banner is at a bizzare angle, spoooky! Oh well, I hope they have some cool stuff on Mayuri soon, he should come to earth and kill an arankaru, then begin to research them, and stuff! I hope he uses his ear as a kusari-gama type thing again, that was cool.

[Cailous]

Mayuri is definately one of the more interesting yet mysterious characters, and I have a strong love for his character. I don't post much on the boards since I don't usually see a reason for me to (Actually I only recently got an account after lurking forever), but do you need another member perchance? It seems the count is low for Mayuri fans, and I just happen to be one... And I just so happen to be interested in this club too.

[Pazuzumaki]

Youkoso, Cailous, glad to have a new face aboard! (Not that this FC is much more than a week old, anyways <.<) Feel free to post your opinions about this much misunderstood (though understandably feared) mad-scientist. Seriously, we’ll talk about anything, because I think most of us have encountered a block regarding what to write in this thread.

Anyways, I hope you decide to post more often. It's always good to see more people who take the time to type out intelligent paragraphs. Besides, people who can see the cool in Mayuri-dono tend to take a deeper look at things, where others will take a glance and comment about the surface.

[Cailous]

Thank you, Pazuzumaki. I am a fan of history. And one of the people in history I find very interesting is Vlad the Impaler. For some reason when I see Mayuri, I see Vlad. A man who does things the more frightening, "evil" and unique way. Although he may come off as the most deranged and heartless character, he is also what all villans should be. He takes steps over the traditional "I want invincibility" cliche all other villains tend to have, and makes his more believeable. He only wants to learn. He wants to study. He will do anything to learn more about the world around him and how it works, even if he has to destroy others to do so. The best part is, he is the villain who most reflects true humanity.

All humans are capable of murder, rape, betrayal, etc. Each and every one of us could do it, and many humans do it. Another thing many humans have is the thirst for knowledge, to advance ourselves as far as we can go. This is the computer age, we've come here through research and development. It was our pursuit of knowledge that brought us here. This is where Mayuri's interests lie. He is probably the most realisitc villain I've ever seen. He only lacks any real emotion, which is not unheard of. There are many diseases today that cause brain problems. Some of us become mad, insane, whatever you'd like to call it. To the point where we do not realize what is right and what is wrong. Hell, who's to say what is right and wrong in the first place? Mayuri is only doing what he feels is right. Right?

This is why he is such a great character, one most people tend to not realize. They only look at his flaws and judge him at that. Sure he treats Nemu terribly, but some humans do the same. Many humans kill animals and eat them. They are just tools for us right? Horses used to be a tool for ridding. When they were no longer good at that, what did you do? Shoot them. Cows for milk. What did you do when you got hungry? Butchered them and ate them. Nemu is not particularly human... Mayuri created her, and to him, she is beneath him. She is not human, not on the same page. She is a tool to be used, and that is that. Some may think it is wrong and she has feelings and emotions, but you can't think for a second that cow doesn't have a family, doesn't have thoughts, feelings and emotions before it has its head taken off. It is arrogance really, the belief you are above someone or something else, and it is a trait most humans have, whether it be through racism, seeing animals as food, or even teachers and parents pushing their authority onto their kids.

So yeh >.>; That is my thoughts on the Mayuri so far and my thoughts on others arguements towards him. He is still shrouded in mystery and I hope to see something on his background though... Like if he was Vice-Captain when Urahara was Captain? What caused his madness, etc.

Heh.

[Zeke]

ill join his new real form is pretty cool
and i always thought he was a swell fellow B)

[Pazuzumaki]

Hey, welcome, Zeke! (I've always thought that name was cool.) Agreed, he does continue to look cool even without the costume, though in a completely different way. I hope you like our little club.

And Cailous, I like your reasons for being interested in Kurotsuchi-dono. Very well thought out points, and I agree that he really does present a twisted image of the darkest aspects of human nature. I believe we have a somewhat similar draw to things that at once horrify, disgust, provoke, and amaze us all at once. You get your kicks from the maniacal warlords of history, I get mine from learning about what horrors lie within nature itself. That, and I'm a huge fan of strange movies about the paranormal ^_^.

P.S. To both of you, I don't actually have the authority to welcome you in officially. But Hansy's a cool guy, and we have no reason to reject anyone, so just consider this post-script a formality so that the real owner of this FC doesn't feel superceded.

[Hansy]

(Zeke and Cailous added)

Yay, my computer is working again and letting me go on more than 10% of the threads! Anyway, good points about Mayuri Cailous, its nice to have more comments than 'he's cool' like we see in the Hitsugaya FC (pwned). Anyway yes, welcome to the fanclub, and go Pazuzumaki, welcoming everyone when my computer is suXXorzing. *hits computer...lighty so as not to break it further*

[Cailous]

http://www.qqcosplay.com/BLH/blhtwewhw.htm

Wanted to show you guys my next investment. I (hopefully) will be getting that sometime this month. ^_^ Then I will have both the Mayuri and Shunsui costumes to cosplay with. I just got to decide which one to cosplay come Otakon 2006...

Anyways, I think it's cool. :O

[Zeke]

alright thanks for letting me join
kurotsuchi always interested me

hello pazuzumaki 2nd club ive been in you are in i gotta say you have good taste B)

[Hansy]

That a nice outift Cailous but it doesn't look like Mayuri, just a general captain/shinigami robe...

[Cailous]

Yeh v.v' The only thing about it that even defines him is the symbol on the back. I will have the fake sword center waist and his hat though, plus I will be wearing all the make up... So I guess it's alright. It doesn't matter much to me, really. It's not like I'm gonna have much competition in the way of Mayuri cosplay. :P

[Hansy]

Ah, I see, I didn't know that you were doing some of it yourself, very good then, take pics and show us then ^^

[Cailous]

What do you think Kubo is gonna do with Mayuri in the future? I honestly can't see him surviving to the very end the way he is now, so do you think he'll give in to popular demand and kill off the mad scientist or do you think he may have Mayuri redeem himself someway? Or even both (ew) like Redeem himself as he dies to save Ishida or something stupid like that?

I would rather him die the way he is now, unchanging and still pure Mayuri to the end. I wouldn't be able to forgive Kubo if he ruined the character setup by turning Mayuri into something he's not. Such as "the redeemed hero". Actually, what I would actually HOPE to see is Mayuri die. He is the type of character that actually deserves death for the crimes he has commited. So the way I would like to see it all go down is Mayuri eventually would die and then in a cruel irony, Nemu tries to take revenge on her fathers death and she ends up dying too. Then you have this kinda sad ironic moment where both are lying beside each other in death, father and daughter.

Or the only way I would like to see redemption at all, is maybe Nemu fights to protect Mayuri later on and gets beaten and is dying. Mayuri loves Nemu (Even though he may treat her badly) and would be in a complete rage that someone other than him would hurt his daughter. (Remember he thinks that because she is his, he has the right to do it. He would in no way let someone else hurt her though). So he fights and dies to protect her out of his own strange love.


Give me your opinions on what you would like to see out of Mayuri later.

[Draki]

I don't think he'll die, but I think he'll probably help in fighting the Arrancar to get some new stuff to experiment on.

[Hansy]

I think Kubo might kill him off just to make everyone happy, since he tends to do alot of fan gaining twists, but I think it would be coolest if nothing really happened to Mayuri and he just kept being same old Mayuri.

[Silfrsyn]

yeah, but I don't think he would die either seeing that the only people Kubo-sama seems to have killed off were already dead.

[Cailous]

You never know though. He may just be waiting until a certain part of the manga before he decides to kill off characters. But I agree with you. Mayuri will probably not die, and because I doubt he would let such an evil live on unchecked, there will probably be some redemption that totally ruins the character. I'm sorry but I don't fancy seeing Ishida and Mayuri teaming up against the baddies. =x

[Hansy]

Yea, if Mayuri does make-up with Ishida, then to me, Mayuri will have died *tear*, since not only would it go completely against Mayuri and Ishida's personalities, but you just don't forgive somone for killing half your race and one of your family.

[Silfrsyn]

hmm, I guess we'll have to wait and see if Kubo-sama will get them to meet up again and fight. But if they do team up, I would just hope it's temporary, like just against a common foe or something. But either way, I'll still be a Mayuri fan.

[Cailous]

Yeah. That's much of the reason I want to see Mayuri die as what he is right now, because as long as he is alive, there is a good chance for them to change what he is and has been, and I like him just the way he is. I only watch the anime, so I don't know if he has done anything later in the manga. Others have said they want to see him team up with the baddies but I don't want to see that either. Mayuri is a lone wolf. He does things his way and only his way. To make him some pawn of another villain would ruin his character also. He is not a lackey, quite the contrary.

The best thing they can do is as you say Hansy, just don't do anything extreme with him and just let him live as he is. But there is such a low chance of that actually happening. >.<

Random thought: Imagine what kind of shockwave Kubo would cause in his fanbase if he had Mayuri fight and kill Hitsugaya. Just a random thought cause I just so happen to be drawing that scene right now in my sketch book and thought about seeing it play out on my computer screen. =D

[Hansy]

Lol, I would probably run into the Hitsugaya FC and spam about how Mayuri was so much cooler than him, or just sit around here with alot of smilie faces ^^

[Cailous]

lol the drawing is finished now. Its got Mayuri with Hitsu's head held up. It's so funny.

[Silfrsyn]

ooh, cool, I want to see.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I must join as well. Mayuri has the coolest shikai. The bankai looks ok but has a great ability. Plus, who doesn't love a sadist?

[Behold the Void]

Mayuri is definitely one of the best villainous characters in the series. I'm definitely interested in joining this one.

[Cailous]

ooh, cool, I want to see.

I'll try and get it scanned up so people can see it if they are interested.

[Hansy]

Ah, I have been awayyyy, but yea show us your picture mwahaha, oh and you two added.

[Cailous]

What is the meaning of this idleness? We need more talking in here!
But I dunno what to say... =\

[The_Supervisor]

I wanna be in!! Mayuri-sama's my favorite taichou. He is the best in my opinion. I'm gonna heve that banner in my sig right after I get some sleep, hehe :redbiggri

EDIT: This FC is sooo dead. Bah, putting the banner in my sig anyway

[Merovingian]

Heh, I've been just dying to join this FC. I don't really think Captain Kurotsuchi is evil so much as a maverick. I'd really like to know more about his past and... everything, really.

[Cailous]

The inactivity of this board makes me weep. :(

[Merovingian]

Yeah, I don't like it, but now that somebody else has posted, I don't have to double-post. I wanted to show the people some things I found.


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