Draft...Yes or No

[RukiaLovin_1988]

With all the Political and Military tension around the world , one must ask if another World Crisis (i.e. WWII not like the war in Iraq) will happen agian. So should America start drafting young men into the Military?

Or should the Draft even exist?

This is important stuff for your future so leave an oppion or two.

[the purifier]

no need cause androids are near (luckily i dont live in america:P)

[drifter]

lucky >_> but..i say NO..becase..im kinda anti war...(NOT HIPPY) and i just really dont c the point ..and the draft...i think its a bunch of bull...i mean..if i dont wanna join the stupid millitary...then...im not gonna!

[Shaehl]

lucky >_> but..i say NO..becase..im kinda anti war...(NOT HIPPY) and i just really dont c the point ..and the draft...i think its a bunch of bull...i mean..if i dont wanna join the stupid millitary...then...im not gonna!

Faced with the the possible conquest and/or eradication of your nation, would is still be "a bunch of bull"? I don't like the draft, but in the face of massive conflict I wouldn't oppose it.

[Thing]

Hum... I don't think so... thank goodness I don't have a SSN or anything else like that... I don't sign on to anything, and I don't have any identification other then my library cards and my college ID, I'm pretty sure they can draft you through the numbers and things...
*breaks her leg and eats a whole mess of food to make herself unfit* Ehem... I don't think I'll be going anytime soon

[Epyon94]

In My opinion the Draft should not exist. If people wanted to fight then they should join the Army. Those not in the army therefore do not want to fight, and thuss should not be forced to.

[Shaehl]

In My opinion the Draft should not exist. If people wanted to fight then they should join the Army. Those not in the army therefore do not want to fight, and thuss should not be forced to.

In times of crisis, people don't often make the right decisions. If a draft was necessary for our continued survival/freedom, I would support it.

[Thing]

Police State, no freedom

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

As long as we keep Republicans out of office then there should be no need for war. Also, we wouldn't get attacked so much if our foreign policy wasn't so screwed up. There's a lot of things that should be changed, but everyone who's taken office has been too much of a coward to recognize the ugly truth. America has done some underhanded things to fight our enemies and those wounds don't heal so easily. It's easy to hate a place that supplanted your government and replaced them with a bunch of radicals so they could fight their battle. In comparison, 9/11 was a small thing compared to the numerous casualties caused by America's indirect influence in situations which don't require our hand. Does this make what happened right? No, of course not, but there's simple logic here that is often ignored. If you keep on pushing people, then they're eventually going to push back.

On the record, I think terrorists are stupid. Most of them don't have a real reason to attack America and those who do don't seem to understand that deeper meanings get lost in bloodshed. Violence only begets more violence. People will never hear your voice if you blow yourself up. Those who can't realize this are trash and should be exterminated. Of course, I highly doubt all or most of them are even dying for an ideal. Why would they do that when they can have seven virgins in the afterlife?

[Daeruke]

WAt he said but i like war

[FascionViktem5k]

i'm against it... mainly because i used to live in a country where they would draft you even though there is no fighting or anything... but honestly if there was a war that happened where the safety of ... a lot of people was at stake... like let's say.. the whole country... then it would be fine... for now .. no... there's no threat... and besides.. even when the whole country was in danger who wouldn't join and fight? .. but that's not happening anytime soon.. cuz there is no such war... and that whole war on terror... good luck... terrorists don't fight in big groups like armies... so yeah... me against draft for now..

[Entenie]

America souldn't draft kids. They draft young people, that legally aren't allowed to drink, but they are old enough to go to war?? So what's up with that.

[FascionViktem5k]

America souldn't draft kids. They draft young people, that legally aren't allowed to drink, but they are old enough to go to war?? So what's up with that.

conflict in interest? hypocracy? crazy ppl doin crazy things? i dunno... whatever one you choose..

[grunin]

yes u should join the army one it teaches u disiplin and 2 if u live in the U.S.A. then u have an obligation to protect it if its only for a few years im talkin about like 3 to 4 or more if u want to make it a job and u wont becom a stupid librel there driveing this comsty into the ground if i could id put them all in jail for being commeis yah i said thats wut they are if u dnt belive listim to 710am radio from 6pm to 9pm yah

[ssjharsh]

On the record, I think terrorists are stupid. Most of them don't have a real reason to attack America and those who do don't seem to understand that deeper meanings get lost in bloodshed. Violence only begets more violence. People will never hear your voice if you blow yourself up. Those who can't realize this are trash and should be exterminated. Of course, I highly doubt all or most of them are even dying for an ideal. Why would they do that when they can have seven virgins in the afterlife?

Well, I wouldn't call the terrorists stupid. They perpetrators are poor, misled, and uneducated. The only authority that has been constant in their lives has been their faith. When a few, normally well-educated and well-off, people who do not like America manipulate this faith for personal or political aims, it is the poor who are caught in the midst. I mean, if you were a father who could not find work to feed his children and wife, and then a man came to you and said we will take care of your family, as long as you do this for us... it is an offer you think about seriously. They normally don't want to be heard... they are not the ones trying to incite global change, they only want happiness for their family, and will go to all costs for that goal.

As for the draft... you need it. It is not something that is easily used, since it normally means that party will not win again, therefore its use is limited. This way is best.

[Ishikawa_Masahiro]

i'm against it... mainly because i used to live in a country where they would draft you even though there is no fighting or anything... but honestly if there was a war that happened where the safety of ... a lot of people was at stake... like let's say.. the whole country... then it would be fine... for now .. no... there's no threat... and besides.. even when the whole country was in danger who wouldn't join and fight? .. but that's not happening anytime soon.. cuz there is no such war... and that whole war on terror... good luck... terrorists don't fight in big groups like armies... so yeah... me against draft for now..

i agree with you completely if the whole country was in danger or something id get my shotgun out and go stand on the shoreline and wait fa them bastards to come but until then hell no id move to canada and abandon the good ol US if a draft was issued because of this Iraq crap.....

[Chord]

^Yeah, that'll work. /sarcasm

To the person who said they like war:
Have you ever heard any of the stories from the WWI soldiers in the Somme? That's one of the most offensive things you could possibly say "i liek war!! rarr!" People die. People are slaughtered. For unjust causes, to supplement your capitalist consumer lifestyle. Let's throw you in a muddy trench for a few months on a subsistence diet and seeing your comrades die, rats eating your raw flesh and the fear of death constantly in your eyes.

[FascionViktem5k]

wow.. whoever did say they liked war.. obviously you've never been in one... *coughidiotcough*

and yeah... only if it were necesary.. if my boyfriend got drafted now.. for the whole Iraq thing... the man who comes to take him away.. i will kick in the balls.. this is a stupid war and those men should come home.. however if it was some big thing where like... China was gonna attack us with like Nuclear bombs and crap... then.. i would probably vote for the draft... if i could vote (not a US citizen.. darn these laws..)

[Chord]

You'd vote FOR the draft? I mean, you would want your boyfriend out there in the front lines possibly against his will to fight a war he doesn't believe in.

[FascionViktem5k]

if the entire country was in danger... yes... but that is not going to happen any time soon .. so now.. no... i'm talking about if it was like on a large scale "my country is about to get nucleur bombs thrown at it" kinda war.... but since it isn't going to happen any time soon i have nothing to worry about... and he wouldn't be the only one fighting... i would go too... IF the ENTIRE country was in danger... that can't be a war he doesn't believe in... cuz he's told me many times that he wouldn't even wait to be drafted if something like that happened... lol! so basically... the war we are in now is bullcrap and i would not vote yes for it... if that's what you meant... did i answer your question? i hope so.. i'm kinda bad at it sometimes... you know... words... psh! lol!

[Chord]

War never seems to hold an answer, I don't think the end result ever justifies the casualties, and neither does a first strike policy. You don't seem to understand that by war, they mean assaulting and taking civillian villages and towns, it's not a war, it's bullying. War is just the result of political fumble.

[mooks]

This is shockin but true. There are only two places in the world children are technically not protected. There are only two countries in the World that have not signed the UN Human Rights Agreement For Children.

Somalia (Because it doesn't have a government)

USA (Because they wouldn't be able to draft 17yrs olds who are technically children )


check it out: http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Abuses/Child.asp

[Entenie]

Well the first seems logical, that doesn't mean it isn't disturbing though and not only for the kids but as well as common folks.

As for the USA....sighs.....

[Fect]

Many people will probably get mad, but:

The USA is a country that has many corporations that take advantage of the common "folk" and keep power ($$$) for themselves. This may be the foundation of capitalism, but I see it as a VERY simple pyramid scheme.

[SLVR]

DAraft shoudnt exist if the country wasnt being run by a cowboy

[Amu]

No. If I do not want to die then you can't make me. Draft gets people killed!

[Entenie]

Many people will probably get mad, but:

The USA is a country that has many corporations that take advantage of the common "folk" and keep power ($$$) for themselves. This may be the foundation of capitalism, but I see it as a VERY simple pyramid scheme.
A very simple pyramid scheme indeed and not very new either. History always repeat itself.

[Abarai Renji]

if america has a draft im moving to canada

[Amu]

if america has a draft im moving to canada

I just moved out of Canada!

[Tokoyami]

The way i see it, if we dont have a draft, we would loose another world war, if we do we would own. But i dont like the idea of the military making people serve them.

[Entenie]

There won't be a world war, if everyone kept their soldiers at home.
America is surrounded by open water, so they have many advantages defending it.
So there's no need for any pre-emptive(or whatever they call it) strike, because they can see any attacking missiles or forces from miles away.

[FascionViktem5k]

if people don't want to fight they can always move to Switzerland... their like neutral... and rich! yes i said rich... richer than the US you ask? yes... richer than the US... because they don't elect 3rd graders to be their president... oops. did i say that?! right well... i think Canada should just attack someone... you never hear of them fighting... they should like take over some African country and be like "yeah b*tch this ours now!" .... that would surprise a LOT of people.... oh man.. i can see it now.... ok... right... draft.. against it... cuz we don't need it...

[RukiaLovin_1988]

WOW!!!! I cant belive this topic took off like that. Thatnks for the Input.

As for me. Im for LIMITED Drafting. And it has to be voted on by the Senate and House And there cant be anyone agenst it! 100% For!

But then I am joining the US Marines and Im not for war or anything but if it come to fighting then Im ready for it. And for those that like war... Your Freakin Retarded!!! War is not something to like. All the unnessisary violance and bloodshed is usless. But remeber, Soldiers dont start wars Poloticians DO!

I do think that there will be a major war in the next decade or so. With all the violance in the middle east and all the bad publicity that the US is getting somethings gonna go wrong and someone is gonna do something stupid.

Well thanks for the Input so keep your opinons coming in! ^_^

[Behold the Void]

No. the way war is conducted has changed greatly. Draftees make TERRIBLE soldiers, if you don't want to be in war you won't be fighting to your fullest. And the way we generally fight wars make meat shields (which is what draftees are) less and less necessary.

[Dounick]

They shouldnt start a war in the first place, and the americans are starting wars for silly reasons. Young men should have to fight for the presidents reasons, they shoul have to fight for their country.

[akin_t]

My first post in this thread ... anyway, I think that draftees make terrible soldiers. They haven't undergone proper training, some of them might not even be capable (I mean, they may be very weak, have bad eyesight or some other physical limitation, have poor judgement in life threatening situations)

Now some argue that if the US was faced with massive conflict the draft would be a good idea. When a nation is faced with trouble, it needs willing soldiers not young men and women who just signed up because they needed money for college.

You can't fight a war with draftees, you will lose that war so badly. I am signed up for selective service; if needed in war I wouldn't be able to do a thing (I mean, I don't even know how to handle a gun right, I hope I'll never need to); moreover, you don't even get to choose what you might want to do (like to work with computers, or maintain equipment if drafted), you're just given instructions to follow; no questions asked.

I don't like wars, but sometimes they do happen. The draft isn't really a good idea IMO, because you don't just fight a war with anyone; sure, draftees can't be all that incompetent, but considering who they're up against, say, Insurgents for example, then they're a piece of cake.

[Purokku-kun]

The draft provides a military resource should the armed forces require it. I agree with what Akin_T says that it would be a bad resource nonetheless.

There's no longer a draft here in the UK, but it's one of those topics that tends to come up time and again.

To those who live in countries that still have compulsory military service: do you believe that the training will necessarily have a beneficial effect on those who are drafted? Will the regime of exercise and discipline help turn them into model citizens, or is it just a waste of time?

[Draffut]

A draft IS nessisar. I dont see how people could think otherwise.

First off, War has been a part of human society for thousands and thousands of years. Nothing can change this. So whoever said "there wont be war if we keep the republicans out of office" is just ignorant.

Secondly, a draft would only be needed if a large scale world war was to start. anything less then this wont matter. Thats why we have the reserves and guard.

Third, to the people saying that untrained soilders are useless, i ask you. What is better, 50k trained soilders. or 50k trained soilers AND 150k average soilders. Sorry ot burst you bubble, but hte second one is far better. This is why China is such a powerhouse, and if they declared war, it would be impossible for any one other nation to stop them.

Fourth, i dont think anyone mentioned this yet, but women cannot be drafted. so anything concerning them can be left out.

Thats about all i got for right now. have some stuff to go take care of. Incase you want to know, I am in the military myself, I am a Democrat, and i am 20 (unable to legally drink). take that all as you will.

[Fect]

The Draft was something created to supply troops in past wars.

Unfourtunately, the world today has much less war, because of the nuclear age. These weapons were for the having, and not the using, as you would never go to war with another nuclear capable country.

An so, in this way, the US will never see a global war ever again. If any country does see a WWIII coming, we're all condemned to a firey hell for a moment.

[Cailous]

Couldn't really tell you. The draft is a very cruel thing, indeed. It pretty much strips a man of his human rights and replaces them with a helmet and a gun. Then the person is dropped off into some barracks to wait for the call out into the feild, where they will probably kill their first man or die themself. By the end of the war, if this man is not dead, he will be injured in some way, whether it be physical or emotional. I have seen war veterans who cannot sleep, because as soon as they do they see the bombs dropping all over again.

But then again, if these men are not drafted, the country may be taken and those same men killed anyways, along with their family and friends who would maybe of had a chance to survive had they been drafted. In the sad reality, is there a winning situation? I don't think there is. I only see two painful and grievous situations filled with bloodshed and sorrow, only one side stings a bit less.

As a citizen of Canada, I don't see much of war, let alone a draft. I study world history, and as I have posted somewhere on these forums before, I am most interested in the wars and warlords of the past. I have many friends in the military right now, I would also be in the military if not for a leg condition that makes it impossible for me to join feild battle (The only position I am interested in). So it is hard for me to comment on something my country does not know, but I can imagine it is not a very pleasant thing for the families who watch fathers, sons, brothers, uncles and nephews walk off to a war they don't want any part of, wondering if they will ever see their face again.

Honestly, if I had it my way, as soon as a draft happened I would strap a rifle on the president and send them into the battlefeild also. But sadly I can't have it my way, neither would that work. But it doesn't matter much either way. A few members have hit it right on when they said that a future draft would never be needed, and it's true. A draft in America will only happen as soon as global-wide war breaks out, and as soon as that happens we can kiss this rock good-bye because the earth will not survive a nucleur rainshower... And World War III will be nothing less than that.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I think the draft is ok if the war in question is just. What do I mean by that? If we're going to help an ally who's under attack or trying to stop some kind of genocide from progressing and other things of such a nature. Wars for thoses causes are alright with me. You can't just let people get slaughtered. Sure, intervention might cause more casualties, but if most of them are on the offending side then a job well done to you.

[FascionViktem5k]

The draft provides a military resource should the armed forces require it. I agree with what Akin_T says that it would be a bad resource nonetheless.

There's no longer a draft here in the UK, but it's one of those topics that tends to come up time and again.

To those who live in countries that still have compulsory military service: do you believe that the training will necessarily have a beneficial effect on those who are drafted? Will the regime of exercise and discipline help turn them into model citizens, or is it just a waste of time?

i moved from my home country but it still does have compulsory military service... yes... it does help... it trains you how to use a gun (or anyting the long the lines of that) and pretty much every basic thing you need to know... i didn't go since i'm a girl and all but my father and uncle did and they say it was pretty fun if not educational... but i don't think we should force ppl to go to military training just for the heck of it... it wasn't a waste of time for my father or uncle... but then again some countries are bigger than others (population wise) ... so where are you going to find the space? my home country is Bulgaria... we're a pretty small country so it isn't really a problem to train ppl... the thing is.. a draft now isn't really necessary so i don't think this military service will make a difference.. and there are a lot of ppl who dodge it (like my brother) by going to another country or something like that...

[Purokku-kun]

There won't be a world war, if everyone kept their soldiers at home.
America is surrounded by open water, so they have many advantages defending it.
So there's no need for any pre-emptive(or whatever they call it) strike, because they can see any attacking missiles or forces from miles away.

I think the terrorists have already proved that unconventional tactics can hurt, not just in the US, but in Europe too.

In the event of a war, most of it would be done by missile and air strikes. Land forces seem these days to be used for clean-up operations, peace-keeping, and hanging onto territories.

Therefore, why do you need to draft in people in the first place?

[RukiaLovin_1988]

I think the draft is ok if the war in question is just. What do I mean by that? If we're going to help an ally who's under attack or trying to stop some kind of genocide from progressing and other things of such a nature. Wars for thoses causes are alright with me. You can't just let people get slaughtered. Sure, intervention might cause more casualties, but if most of them are on the offending side then a job well done to you.


I totally agree. What is going on now i Iraq isnt what I would call a "Just" war. We attacked under false pretences and now we should deffinatly get out but then we would leave Iraq leader-less and defenceless for other dictator leaders to take over. Such a perdiciment.

But I will sand and sapport our US Soldiers because it our brothers and sisters that are over there and not sapporting them would be like fosaking you own family. And all the news ever covers is the bad aspects of wars never what is being done right. Over in Iraq, the US has engineers and construction workers building up and recreating a new and better Iraq. When Iraqies are ready to rule thier own country then I see no need o keep ANY American or allied forces there.

[Daeruke]

what he said. but if u dont want to go cause u dont want to die, miss the fmily, etc. then its ok. no1 should force u. u got ur own free wil

[RukiaLovin_1988]

SRY but your Avi is Hella Funny ^_^

OK that was really off topic....SRY ^_^"

[shadowfox1323]

well i dont really know if we should or should not but i personally want to be a mercinary but not work just for money buit fight for i believe in i think that if we all find something we truely believe in then thats the real war we should fight not not what others feel is right but what we do

[RukiaLovin_1988]

Umm.... Thats preaty much what a soldier does. They fight for what they belive in. But they dont get a choice when or where they fight. And a mercinary fighting with out geting money is just crazy.

[shadowfox1323]

Umm.... Thats preaty much what a soldier does. They fight for what they belive in. But they dont get a choice when or where they fight. And a mercinary fighting with out geting money is just crazy.


i know it sounds a little stupid but i had a sister in the marines and she dies over there and a few weeks before she did she told me she felt like she didnt belong there like the things they were doing were not worth it i made her a promise that if she ever died in action i would be a soldierr as well not to remeber her but to try and understand her better i hope u inderstand why i said the things i said

[Draffut]

When Iraqies are ready to rule thier own country then I see no need o keep ANY American or allied forces there.

That wont happen. America has soilders in every country/continent you can think off. granted once their goverment is in place, most will be moved out. we will always have a presence there.

[RukiaLovin_1988]

That wont happen. America has soilders in every country/continent you can think off. granted once their goverment is in place, most will be moved out. we will always have a presence there.

I dont know if I could agree with you. I almost think this war is a waste of men and materials. We could have done so much better if we left it alone. And we arnt in every country. Just the ones that matter.

[Kira_yamato69]

Erg I hate amaricans and there political crap just come to Canada and live happlly

[Rabid_Wolverine]

Erg I hate amaricans and there political crap just come to Canada and live happlly

I agree with you actually. I actually want to move to Canada because standards of living there are quite high. The best thing is that there aren't any chavs!!!

[SmallKid57]

i dont really like draft... but sometimes its necessary. sure some ppl dont wanna fite, and some do. so u should leave it up to them... but government needs a military to defend themselves. so they have to draft... i wouldn't oppose it if it was necessary... lol but whose gonna get a midget like me to fight anyway?

[Apocalypse]

While I understand why the draft exists, I think it pretty much goes against everything free countries today stand for. If a person wants to serve their country, they will. If not, they simpy won't. Quite frankly, if I got some kind of draft letter, I would not be sticking around long. I'd be in Canada pretty damn fast. Then again, according to Bush's promise... there shouldn't be any drafts anytime soon. Of course... he has prooved to not be the most trust-worthy leader... :eek13:

[Shinji]

The Draft shouldn't exist. Why recruit men now for a possible World War? I don't think it's a good thing to walk around and worry about something that might happen. Also, it takes much more today to start a World War than 65 years ago.

[mcgillp2k]

national service is good for installing discipline

i dont think a draft will really ever be needed cos its all about bombing from planes now

[RukiaLovin_1988]

Erg I hate amaricans and there political crap just come to Canada and live happlly

Why hate American? What did they ever do to Canada? Why move to Canada? Screw that! Move to Asutrailia! ^_^

And no matter where you live you still have to deal with the political crap because America has a hand in EVERYTHING!

[beruru]

well if there is to come like a WWIII
then im almost sure that the americans is the ones to blame....
sorry but thats what i think, dont hate me <.<;;

[hawkmun]

A Perfect Cirlce - Lets Have a War:
Let's have a war,
So you can go and die,
Let's have a war,
We could all use the money,
Let's have a war,
We need the space,
Let's have a war,
Clean out this place

When i think Draft, that's what I think. "Lets thin out our population." or "Lets assimilate everyone else to be just like us." It's just a scheme to try and controll the people.

[RukiaLovin_1988]

I can feel the love... LOL ^_^"

And so far every world war was started in europe and the next probably will to but dont blame America! (I got ten buck that it starts in the Middle East!)

[beruru]

I can feel the love... LOL ^_^"
And so far every world war was started in europe and the next probably will to but dont blame America! (I got ten buck that it starts in the Middle East!)


hmmmm, well thats true.
but youre the ones thats gonna nuke it all.

[RukiaLovin_1988]

And if America did that then everyone would be pissed a us and that aint good for business. We dont want that bad rep.

[munkey]

well i think that it should be a persons choice if they wanted to fight or not,and on top of that myself bieng from canada,if america started drafting, i just hope canada isnt in the same boat,cause war is never a good thing ,plus i would die in 2 seconds

[RukiaLovin_1988]

well i think that it should be a persons choice if they wanted to fight or not,and on top of that myself bieng from canada,if america started drafting, i just hope canada isnt in the same boat,cause war is never a good thing ,plus i would die in 2 seconds


Well if it came down to full scale world conflict then there would really be no chioce wether you wnated to fight or not. But dont worry. Canada probably wont. Unless thier invaded by Russia or someone. That would be just a little crazy.

[rice_eater]

i believe that the draft should exist. i believe you should show pride fighting for the country you live in

[bbyxgurl]

i dont think the draft should exist because its kinda mean drafting young men into the military..

[qball546]

i think the draft should be that they call upon you to do service, but you have the option of denying or making sure you do something less fighting-intensive

[Bakuretsu]

draft should not exist PERIOD

[aerikh]

i'm against war too...
unless armies just go somewhere secluded 2 fight.. (d moon) :p
so there won't b any civilian casualties..

[falerus]

there shouldnt be a draft. if the government needs more soldiers they should offer more compensation so people would want to join

[Sottef]

I'm the unlucky one placed in Sweden.
I really did want to do our country's Military service. But I were not chosen by the "higher" forces to take part in our Conscription system.
Even if I showed that I really was interested in doing my duty.

I think it has to do with something that happened for a while ago.

So you can understand that my opinions are Pro Conscription (with other words, for drafting.)

I can understand those that do not want to take part in such service.
But most likely people that would not like to be drafted would and will if conscription would be taken in system, like in the U.S.A.

So we have a pretty nice question here to lower our teeth into.
I'm for, throwed in the trashcan
My neighbour not, but forced

new at the forum also.. Hope you do not take this message to serious if you really do hate war and violence. But I am no one that forces anyone to think and be like me. Lick your own scars. I will definitely not.

[Osxcar]

Just like Scottef I'm from Sweden but I've had the luck of probably becoming just what I wanted in our military service. Fallskärmsjägare for all you Swedes. (A Paratrooper, but the more elite type.) ^^

An interesting note on Swedish military, just 10 years ago almost 90% of our 18-20 years got drafted but now the number is down to 20%. We just haven't got a military anymore. If anyone wants to take Sweden, now is the time. :P

[M_A]

People should decide for themselves whether or not they want tto join the army. So, i say no draft.

[MaskedDrifter]

I understand why people would want a draft, but I am and will always be aginst it.

[Alkarzar]

If everyone just had no armies wouldn't the world be a better place ?

[Aragami]

In countries without armed forces, life is so much better. And the people in general have much more developed common sense and general civility.

Countries with aremies run off of greed first and foremeost, so they're despicable anyways.

I mean, we're all flesh and blood on the same rock and ain't leavin so what the hell is the point in fighting someone in another part of the world? There's more important things to worry about, I say.

[Tanya]

It's unfair. People are forced to go into a war/situation that threatens their life, but they still have to go, just because of the government. Drafts shoudln't exist, but numbers do matter in battle.

[Sottef]

Could you give any examples of countries that have no military service and the progress in society, technologies and everything else is so much better?

I for instance can't name one in the current condition.. Dead tired at school.

[Goiz]

And no matter where you live you still have to deal with the political crap because America has a hand in EVERYTHING!

Shame..

We dont want that bad rep.

America already has a bad rep.. ;)

I'm against draft. But overhere it wouldn't matter anyway :+ Even if Holland puts everyone in the millitary we'd still be outnumbered by millions.. lol

[Shinomori]

Draft...Yes or No

I guess the question is better rephrased...

America...Yes or No.

Because without a draft, we ain't gonna be winning many wars.

[RukiaLovin_1988]

Draft...Yes or No
I guess the question is better rephrased...
America...Yes or No.
Because without a draft, we ain't gonna be winning many wars.

I guess you could put it that was....

[MaskedDrifter]

I still disagree with the draft. the people should have a choice.

[Draffut]

I still disagree with the draft. the people should have a choice.

You do have a choice. Get overrun by chinese (or whoever), or go defend your own ass. I dont think it's that difficult.

[MaskedDrifter]

No, the people go into the military by choice. The draft I believe is only useful when there is few applicants left for the military and that would be during some huge war. Right now, it is not necessary.

[Draffut]

No, the people go into the military by choice. The draft I believe is only useful when there is few applicants left for the military and that would be during some huge war. Right now, it is not necessary.

So, you are saying there IS a use for a draft? well, gj, you beat yourself in an arguement.

The US doesn;t even have a draft right now. It is not a draft until it is enacted upon, which wont happen util somethign happens like you said.

[saycheese]

id prefer well trained troops than conscripts who does not want to be there. but if i am lacking the former, i'll gladly take conscripts, though its a big waste of life.

[RukiaLovin_1988]

I think you have to have 2/3 or the House and Senate to start the draft agian but im not really sure.