Is Aizen stronger then Byakuya? [Archive]

DMC

12-24-2005, 10:54 AM

Do you think Aizen is stronger then Byakuya? Because Aizen stopped Ichigo's Bankai using only 1 FINGER, but Byakuya got beat by the Bankai..which leaves me wondering....

Its not hard blocking a sword if you know hakuda... (h2h combat) And the fact that ichigo was near death...Um anyways. Yes it is blantly obvious aizen is stronger than byakuya

animalistic

12-24-2005, 11:21 AM

wtf!!! hmm, dont think that i should answer this, all i have to say to you is go rewatch the last 10 eps of bleach again

Kodoku

12-24-2005, 12:37 PM

ichi-woah

12-24-2005, 01:01 PM

of course aizen is stronger, byakuya got WHIPPED! if byakuya got freaked out that ichigo blocked his attack with his hand once, hes no match for aizen. aizen's one sneaky little *mumble*.

Raku

12-24-2005, 01:10 PM

o.O How can this even be questionable? lol

Aizen defeated another captain with 1 single Demon spell.. nothing else.. Can Byakuya do that? .. on a vice-captain on lower, probably but on a captain, no way

A2k

12-24-2005, 01:22 PM

Lol, Raku; it isn't questionable. ^_^

Aizen surpasses everything we have seen so far, the only exception could be Yama-Jii as we don't know his true power either - but you could easilly speculate that being the "good guy" he would be more powerful.

With that said Kubo likes to play with people so perhaps even Yammamoto doesn't have the potential to match up to Aizen.

That's the simple way of looking at the differences between Aizen and Byakuya. Yes there really is that great a difference between them.

Compare Ichigo to Byakuya and Yama-Jii to Aizen then you'll be thinking along the right guidelines of potential.

Injektilo

12-24-2005, 01:49 PM

Byakuya is still a very powerful Captain, he's still more powerful than Ichigo other than the fact that Ichigo has the Hollow inside him. Aizen is on an entirely different scale of power, the only people comparable with Aizen in terms of raw reiatsu and the like would be Ukitake and Shunsui, with possibly Urahara and Yoruichi sneaking into this group, when we take into account zanpaku-toh abilities it becomes clear that Aizen has what is likely the cheapest zanpaku-toh in existence and this bumps him up even beyond Yamamoto IMO (I think it would make sense for Yamamoto to be more powerful in terms of raw strength, but be overmatched due to the unique ability of Aizen's Shikai)

Bankai!!

12-24-2005, 02:40 PM

kurosaki_neji

12-24-2005, 02:42 PM

can hollow ichigo stand a chance against aizen?

Bankai!!

12-24-2005, 02:45 PM

Welll if he stopped Ichigo's ban kai with only one finger then that means he must be alot stronger than byakuya. Byakuya couldn't even see ichigo's ban kai clearly because he was way too fast. Aizen was against Renji and ichigo and he managaed to survive renji's attack without even a spec of dust on him and he stopped a ban kai with an index finger. He must be alot more stronger than byakuya. Btw I agree with injektilo because byakuya is strong but he doesn't have as much reiatsu as aizen because byakuyauses flowers to attack.( not that its weak)But aizen 's soul slayer is like the lamest and the cheapest one ever. Just like what injektilo said you need either shinsui or ukitake to have a good fight or of course yamamoto.

flam3z

12-24-2005, 04:29 PM

Do you think Aizen is stronger then Byakuya? Because Aizen stopped Ichigo's Bankai using only 1 FINGER, but Byakuya got beat by the Bankai..which leaves me wondering....

No offence , but this really is a no brainer .

U said it urself - Aizen stopped Ichigo's bankai with one finger while Byakuya got owned by the same bankai that Aizen stopped .

So wut do u think ?

tednfs

12-24-2005, 06:19 PM

aizen's shikai is cheap..but its not his fault
he can eliminate byakuya(although he's ma best character)
thats really not a question
i agree with flam3z

teamninja60

12-24-2005, 07:46 PM

aizen is strong
and now that he took off the glasses
he's three times stronger

DMC

12-24-2005, 08:23 PM

Aizen could own Byakuya if he had lost his eyes, ears, arms, and legs in a freak Mayuri experiment disaster. Aizen is a lot better than Byakuya.

To DMC- Blocking a sword coming at you that fast with Ichigo's full body weight behind it woulfd not be easy to block under any normal circumstance. Aizen is not normal, thats why he did it.

Take back my post.. its either that or he concentrated his reaitsu to block it. Nothing special into what he did.. Or.. his shikai. Are you people forgeting what ichigo just did? He used all hit reaitsu to defeat byakuya...

silverwolf801

12-24-2005, 08:26 PM

o god why would you post this it is so obvious please Aizen would wipe that #$ $

outofcoffee

12-24-2005, 09:30 PM

_Ink

12-24-2005, 09:45 PM

Have any of you actually thought that Aizen's finger was an illusion? I don't think it's possible for him to block a bankai with a finger. The finger was probably his sword, he probably used his power to make it look like his finger.

Maybe, nonetheless, he blocked a bankai with a sword (no offense, it is probably not equipped with any ability beside illusion making) It is not as tough as Zangetsu but here one thing, his reiatsu must be formidable, otherwise, his sword would have broke under Ichigo's strike.
However, counting by that, it is still a fact, Aizen is damn powerful

Anime Law 101: Bad Guys ARE stronger (especially when they just pop up of nowhere ) (i.e. Rave-Groove Adventure (manga): Notice how powerful the bosses get one after another?)

animalistic

12-24-2005, 10:07 PM

Have any of you actually thought that Aizen's finger was an illusion? I don't think it's possible for him to block a bankai with a finger. The finger was probably his sword, he probably used his power to make it look like his finger.
well your first post is totally wrong!! congratualations :p , how was it an illusion if ichigo wasnt under complete hypnosis? have you ever thought that ichigo isnt under complete hypnosis becuz he never say aizen release his shikai?

Ravenfdasfd

12-24-2005, 10:07 PM

Short answer: Yes.

teamninja60

12-24-2005, 11:26 PM

ichico has not seen aizen release his shikai therefore
aizen did stop zangetsu that easily

tAhTsExYBrOwNmAn

12-25-2005, 04:23 AM

well your first post is totally wrong!! congratualations :p , how was it an illusion if ichigo wasnt under complete hypnosis? have you ever thought that ichigo isnt under complete hypnosis becuz he never say aizen release his shikai?

Who said that Aizen had to say something to release his shikai? For all you know, his shikai is like Ichigo's and is permanently in that form.

I seriously doubt that that was pure speed. Because Ichigo..was...awesomely fast in his Bankai form and that is like...

I'm in a loss of words...

Byakuya7

12-25-2005, 04:51 AM

Aizen can beat Byakuya without using his sword easily. One high level demon spell and its over. Aizen is way too powerful for words to describe it.

Sandal Hat

12-25-2005, 04:55 AM

Who said that Aizen had to say something to release his shikai? For all you know, his shikai is like Ichigo's and is permanently in that form.

Aizen's Shikai requires its user to see it being released. Anywayz, Aizen's shikai is an ability it doesn't even change form.

SLVR

12-25-2005, 08:34 AM

The answer to this is obvious Aizen. I was thinking maybe he could like clone him self ten thousand times or something to stop his bankai. Just wishful thinking.

choujiwong

12-25-2005, 08:43 AM

Yeah, with just one demon spell and Aizen can easily defeat Komamura as a captain himself. So, I think Byakuya is no match for Aizen.

However, I would like to see both of them fighting. I guess it'll be great fight.

jagged

12-25-2005, 08:45 AM

Ok you all you may think that Aizen is UUBER POWERFULL but truthfully he isnt. He uses his shikaii in every way possible. If you even look at his body or his sword you are FU**ED its game over with his overall power of raietsu also on his side. On the other hand Byakuya has his different abilities such as speed of him and his bankai. The only real way to beat Aizen is to actually close your eyes and go around blindly. The only person that is that way is the Blind captain and ffs is helping Aizen for some odd reason. Its not a matter of raw power. Aizen used his mind and won. Now since he is considered sitting in the throne of heaven he of course now has raw power and his brains too making him one Effed up Bad guy that no one wants to mess with.

captain_soifon

12-25-2005, 08:49 AM

even so, that means his shikai makes him powerful

jwhizz

12-25-2005, 09:26 AM

I believe Aizen uses his shikai in every way possible(and can release it without naming it, like several other captains). One thing to think about.

Captains are required to show both their bankai and shikai before coming captains; but if you think about it, if Aizen was able to trick all of Soul Society into his little plan, do we even know if he has a bankai? He doesnt seem to need it, and I'm not sure if he even has one.

flam3z

12-25-2005, 09:39 AM

As it is , his shikai is already super cheap . His bankai would be 10x times more powerful , meaning 10x cheaper . Say , mind control . So basically it's game over . But of course , this is pure speculation on my part , since bankai(s) r usually a powered up version of the shikai .

N e way , I dun think Ichigo is under n e illusions - Meaning , Aizen did stop Ichigo's bankai with his finger . His sword was in his right hand all the time anyway , and he stopped Ichigo's sword with his left . And besides , if Ichigo is under any illusion or n e thing , I'm sure the producers will show it ( Like Komamura against Aizen ) instead of leaving us out in the cold .

hitsugaya-lover

12-25-2005, 09:43 AM

i have to admit yes, aizen is obviously stronger than byakuya ..it's a bit obvious ..aizen is WAY more powerful ! even though byakuya has bankai and looks stronger ..(i think) he isnt stronger than aizen ..now that aizen has shown his true self ..-__-"

captain_soifon

12-25-2005, 11:20 AM

simple aizen>byakuya, i dont understand what he was saying though, not i, nor u, or even God has walked in heaven T_T, veryy strange to me

flam3z

12-25-2005, 11:50 AM

I think he was trying to say that from the beginning itself , there is this power sharing thing , as in there never exist a one sided party who clearly dominates the others . Everyone is more or less equal in power , n none of these people could call themselves the greatest . However , with the Hougyouku , he shall be this one person . The greatest among the greats .

Or perhaps something along that line . Pretty logical , dun u think ?

captain_soifon

12-25-2005, 11:52 AM

guess so, guess he doesnt believe in God though =[

Kodoku

12-25-2005, 12:45 PM

He was saying that everything starts as nothing and becomes something. He was saying God was once some weak thing, that became God when it got so powerful. In other words he saying he will become uber powerful god-like being. Though to be honest, he already is.

eiChi

12-25-2005, 12:55 PM

yup. no doubt he is stronger than byakuya....>.<

.:.:AzN:.:.

12-25-2005, 08:47 PM

Ok the answer to your question is an obvious one so i'll speculate over the point of Did Aizen block Ichigo with a finger or an illusion?
Well i think it was an illusion, People argue saying Ichigo hasn't seen in cast so he could not possibly fall under the spell, but it might be a permanent change, similar to Ichigo.
Plus i think Yama-ji wouldn't stand a chance either, just think about it, if Yama-ji could of owned him, he would of. But he did nothing...the old lazy bugger.

Amu

12-25-2005, 09:15 PM

Mod please close this thread as EVERYONE knows Aizen is stronger!

Ok the answer to your question is an obvious one so i'll speculate over the point of :Did Aizen block Ichigo with a finger or an illusion?
Well i think it was an illusion, People argue saying Ichigo hasn't seen in cast so he could not possibly fall under the spell, but it might be a permanent change, similar to Ichigo.
Plus i think Yama-ji wouldn't stand a chance either, just think about it, if Yama-ji could of owned him, he would of. But he did nothing...the old lazy bugger.

Uhh....the light came down in the beginning and when the light came down Aizen was surrounded by two high high class captains so...Yama did not need to jump Aizen...duh!

terrylee79

12-25-2005, 10:52 PM

After seeing aizen's shikai then your done. After seeing his shikai and you close your eyes, he can manipulate it thinking that you opened your eyes but actually it is closed.

Daeruke

12-26-2005, 04:48 AM

Byakuya can win if he plays the cards right. But Aizen will win if Byakuya dont play his cards right

Sandal Hat

12-26-2005, 05:16 AM

@Amu This thread will remain open as long as people without common sense keep posting. You can't close a thread just because the answer is obvious

ON-Topic: Aizen will defeat Byakuya just as fast as he defeated Komamura

Byakuya7

12-26-2005, 05:35 AM

I would argue that point into the groud sandal hat, but it would be of no use. I would still sound biased. ugh damn "Byakuya7" user name!

Sandal Hat

12-26-2005, 05:51 AM

I would argue that point into the groud sandal hat, but it would be of no use. I would still sound biased. ugh damn "Byakuya7" user name!
Yeah, my user name gives me trouble too :)

kraziekid

12-26-2005, 08:46 AM

ya manns i think byakura is stronger then aizen

MooseVW

01-08-2006, 06:56 PM

Aizen is definetly stronger. Byakuya struggled with Ichigo's bankai, yet Aizen stopped it with a finger. Aizen is strongest in Soul Society second only to Yamamoto.

MVIK

01-08-2006, 09:29 PM

Lol...of course Aizen is stronger than Byakuya. He has reach a Shinigami's limit in every aspect whereelse Byakuya hasnt

T_Ichigo

01-08-2006, 10:02 PM

Do you think Aizen is stronger then Byakuya? Because Aizen stopped Ichigo's Bankai using only 1 FINGER, but Byakuya got beat by the Bankai..which leaves me wondering....

yepp, Azien is stronger than Byakuya .. both when it's about hakuda and kidous .. and Ichigo was already injured when he tried to attack Azien .. so I doubt that Ichigo used all of his strength. Azien's shikai says alot to, I mean hypnosis .. it's much more dangerous and effective than Byakuya's senbonzakura .. just figure it out why, I don't feel like writing it hehe ^^. But I don't think that Azien isn't pretty much stronger than Byakuya.

ya manns i think byakura is stronger then aizen

I dont understand why ?

zeraya

01-08-2006, 10:49 PM

i think aizen is stronger then Byakuya , i think Byakuya is weak he can not kill fly

Katen Kyoukotsu

01-08-2006, 11:05 PM

Do I think Aizen would beat Byakuya in a fight. Yes. Do I think Aizen is a cheap little bastard who hypnotizes people and calls it fighting. Hell yeah.

yachiru_kid

01-09-2006, 01:41 AM

of course r u stupid!

Flaming = Bad

1st Warning

- Sandal Hat

UraharaTenchou

01-09-2006, 02:59 AM

Do I think Aizen would beat Byakuya in a fight. Yes. Do I think Aizen is a cheap little bastard who hypnotizes people and calls it fighting. Hell yeah.
of course.. aizen's stronger.. i mean he's at his peak, that's why he wanna have the hougyoku... he master hadou till level 90.. u think?
Edit: cheap, yes, but still, he knows how to use it.. to manipulate and kill

Kooy

01-09-2006, 03:11 AM

Actually we see that Aizen looks stronger then Byakuya, BUT when Ichigo transformed to no named we saw that Byakuya could still stand against him. And we saw that Byakuya ADMITTED defeat by choice because he finally understood why Ichigo fights to protect and break the rules. Byakuya did not be defeated by force, so actually we don't know the outcome. Byakuya could probably stand up to Aizen but still lose, and still give a good fight. Then again Ichigo was injured when Aizen stopped his bankai. AT full strength will have to see what happens next. XD so i say that Aizen is stronger atm but we are still in the middle of the series so we must stay tuned :3

brolijc

01-09-2006, 03:47 AM

Aizen owns Byakuya, why?

Aizen blocks Ichigo's Ban Kai with a finger, Byakuya has difficulties with Ichigo's Ban Kai, it is just too obvious.

People argue that Ichigo might had been under Aizen's hypnotize, people, think of it this way, if Aizen truly manipulates Ichigo, it simply means that all he need to do is to spend less than 1 second to make someone fall under his hypnotize, wtf!?

obviously he takes time to make people fall under his hypnotize, why? because he gathered all the vice captains to look at his Shi Kai, if he truly takes less than 1 second to do so, why the hell would he do that? waste of time, and also, he could easily hypnotize every single captain out there, why would he waste his time planning?

i hope that sums everything up

mottesheard

01-09-2006, 04:29 AM

Yea I think that is Aizen's one big weakness when it comes to his shikai ability. To fully hypnotize someone they must see the ceremony of his shikai release. Thus he has to plan a little bit a head if he is to use it to effectiveness. That is why he stopped Ichigo with means other than his shikai. Ichigo was never there to witness his release so therefore Aizen simply took him down with other means.

Kyouka Suigetsu

01-09-2006, 05:56 AM

If he was a weak shinigami, then that might be a problem. Aizen is no newb. He's not the kind of fighter doesn't need to rely on his shikai to win a battle. Although he uses it a lot, it's obvious the man can hold his own. Sosuke does seem to be the kind of guy who will use whatever means possible to end a battle though.

ryu-san

01-09-2006, 11:27 AM

Aizen will win .. exeptionally easy.
i even think his subordinates are on a level greater than Kuchiki taichou.
first off, as the main bad guy .. he ought to be on a totally different level.

Aizen's Shikai is extremely deadly, and his hypnosis is already pulled over the other captains. its like that.. Aizen makes the illusion that he is infront of Byakuya, trying to cast a spell, while at the same time his real self stabs him in the back. even if Byakuya can escape from such a situation .. one way or another Aizen will win because of his hypnosis.
not even counting about his skill in demon arts .. and his power overall. he stopped a Bankai, truly Ichigo already was tired from his fights, but to stop a Bankai with 1 finger. Aizen grabbed Zabimaru with his bare hands, same happened to Komamura's sword.
Aizen just isn't on captain level anymore.

ah, and one more thing, i don't know if there is any special means in falling under hypnosis of Kyoka Suigetsu other than .. just a glimpse when Kyoka Suigetsu is released.

UraharaTenchou

01-09-2006, 05:04 PM

ah, and one more thing, i don't know if there is any special means in falling under hypnosis of Kyoka Suigetsu other than .. just a glimpse when Kyoka Suigetsu is released.

good question though.. but kyoka suigetsu has the ability to manipulate into thinking that everything is still normal, and on-going.. take the central room 46 for instance.... he so-called copy the scene, then murdered all of them, trick them into thinking that everything is still normal.. through that manipulation, he ordered rukia's execution and the mess of everything..
hypotizing make a person cannot do anything..
another one would be hitsugaya battle against aizen, in room 46.. he thought he had aizen frozen(see episode 60).. but aizen trick him into thinking that, resulting aizen doing the flash step and injured hitsugaya.. the same with aizen on komamura..
CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.. ANYBODY WILL DO.. THANKS!

Nood

01-09-2006, 05:05 PM

OMFG.
Its soooooo obvious that Aizen is far far far far stronger than Byakuya.
How could this - no offence but Dumb - thread could be made.
I think Byakuya couldnt kill Aizen even if he was sleeping.

Actually we see that Aizen looks stronger then Byakuya, BUT when Ichigo transformed to no named we saw that Byakuya could still stand against him.
He could stand against him? When?
Being hit from 3 sides with a Getsuga in 30 seconds isnt really means that you can keep up with your enemy.
As the hollow Ichi said, if he continues for just 1 more attack Byakuya dies.

UraharaTenchou

01-09-2006, 05:07 PM