Ranking the thirteen captains based on what's been shown...

[Fariswheel]

Will someon argue, I have been waiting all day.

[Injektilo]

Well, Gin flash stepped and tied Kenpachi up with contemptuous ease so it's obvious he could own him (A really bad argument since that was just supposed to be a funny scene but what the hell)

I don't think Kenpachi would have a chance, It'd be "Ikorose, Shinsou" straight through the chest and then even if Kenpachi survived, remember that Ichimaru can move the sword as though it was normal length. Zaraki'd be shredded.

[Z_Blitz]

Hmmm... interesting indeed... And here I was throwing a random quote... but the arguments presented do really make people think that Gin is more powerful than Kenpachi... I'm not a Gin fan myself, but I'm pretty sure that he'd win... Afterall his shikai's amazing ability is extremely deadly and he hasn't even shown off his bankai! Zaraki can't even ask his zanpakutoh's name!!! He'll be dead before even thinking of removing his eye patch...

[Fariswheel]

Hmmm... interesting indeed... And here I was throwing a random quote... but the arguments presented do really make people think that Gin is more powerful than Kenpachi... I'm not a Gin fan myself, but I'm pretty sure that he'd win... Afterall his shikai's amazing ability is extremely deadly and he hasn't even shown off his bankai! Zaraki can't even ask his zanpakutoh's name!!! He'll be dead before even thinking of removing his eye patch...

I don't think that he would be dead that fast after all he does have rather impressive stamina, and he might have his shikai now, it seemed like he was trying to get it. I wonder if his vice-captain has shikai or not.

[brolijc]

ok, after some discussion with my friend, i decided to change my list of captains once again

01) Yamamoto
02) Aizen/Ukitake
04) Shunsui
05) Gin
06) Soi Fong
07) Kenpachi
08) Tousen
09) Byakuya/Hitsugaya
11) Mayuri/Komamura
13) Unohana (As always, put her here as I did not see her in action before)

[vejitto3]

that really close to what i'd pick my list except
01) Yamamoto
02) Aizen/Ukitake/shunsui<---(dude seems to be equal to ukitake)
03) Byakuya
04) gin
05) Kenpachi
06) Tousen/Komamura
07) Hitsugaya
08) soi fong
09)Unohana/Mayuri

[vision33r]

I would rate Aizen probably the most powerful for now, because it is like the Jedi vs Sith, the Sith always have dirtier powers.

It is clear that Aizen possesses some strong demon magic, not sure if Yamamoto can match that, he hasn't shown he has enough finess.

Zaraki is probably 5th or 6th because his attack power is quite strong but he is too cocky and someone with strong Shikai or Bankai can put some major hurt on him.

Bukyaku can be regarded as 3rd or 4th, he has very strong flash step and usually faster than most opponents but he lacks drive or fierceness which Ichigo drives on.

Ichimaru Gin or Urahara is probably tied for 5th.. While Ichimaru looks fast, he relies more on his swordpower and his spirit power doesn't look very strong.

Edit: I see that you just joined Club Bleach but, next time please the read the rules and use a little more common sense next time you post. You cannot post anything about the manga in other sections of the forum without it being in a spoiler tag.

[jonat3]

Hmmm, it's indeed difficult to rank them. I'll have to divide them in groups. People in group 1 are the strongest, etc.

Group 1.

Genryuusai, Ryuuken, Ishin and Aizen. It's very likely that Aizen is stronger than Genryuusai. I'm judging this from the speed he took out captains. So far, he owned every captain he came across in less than 10 seconds. He could probably take out multiple captains in less than a minute. Even Zaraki took awhile to defeat Tousen and i don't see Yamamoto owning captain level people that fast.
Pretty much unknown how strong Ishin and Ryuuken are, but it's probable that they are stronger than Ichigo and Ishida.

Group 2.

Ukitake, Shunsui, Gin, Urahara, Ishida, Ichigo and Byakuya. Ukitake and Shunsui are evenly matched, but i'm not sure if Byakuya is stronger or weaker than them. We know that traditionally people who exercise nitoryu in anime tend to be very powerful (like Miyamoto Musashi). We also know that Ichigo is stronger than Byakuya. Ishida ranks up their too, but could probably tie or lose to Byakuya. Ishida is probably the weakest of this group, but only because i consider the others to have abilities to dodge Ishida. If ishida's arrow ever manages to hit, God have mercy on them.
Also, Gin is an unknown, but since Aizen acknowledged him, he may potentially be the strongest of this group. Even Zaraki acknowledged his strength. Some people think Gin is weak cause of his fight with Hitsugaya, but i believe Gin completely planned it out to put Hitsugaya and Hinamori in a straight line, so he is strategically very strong.
Urahara is pretty much unknown, i only know that he's almost as talented as Ichigo (judging from the 3 day test here, since he did the test in 3 days himself) and more experienced. If he's stronger or weaker than ichigo is unkown, but he probably belongs in this group. Urahara and Gin belong potentially in group 1, but too much is unknown for that.

Group 3.

Hitsugaya, Zaraki, Mayuri and Yoruichi. Not sure who is stronger of these four. I do know that i'm under the impression that people who have elemental swords (like Genryuusai) tend to be very powerful. But Zaraki is a monster too and Yoruichi has a speed advantage. If we consider Hitsugaya's bankai, he could probably turn Zaraki in ice, but maybe Zaraki's strength could withstand it. Yoruichi's shunkou is probably on par with Zaraki with his eyepatch off.
Now Mayuri is actually a wild card. His shikai is of no note and would probably lose To Soi Fong's shikai. His bankai and his ability to liquify himself to escape however make him a very nasty person. His abilities are good enough to take on Ishida from group 2 and everyone down him in this list. He would probably have to liquify himself most of the time, but the opponent would be left behind poisoned and dying. In the end, even though the opponents would dominate him, he would be the last man/monster left standing.

Group 4.

Soi Fong, Tousen, Komamura and Renji. Renji is new, so that's why he ranks here in group 4. But i must say he was good enough to scare Byakuya a few times, even if he didn't get any wounds. Renji is potentially as strong or stronger than Komamura and Tousen. Soi Fong is stronger than Renji, Tousen and Komamura.

Group 5.

Unohana and Chad. Not sure who would win between these two actually. Chad's attacks are dangerous enough to be dangerous for someone like Shunsui, but he's too slow to hit anyone. He could probably take on Komamura and Tousen, since they are probably the slowest from all the captains. He would probably still lose in spiritual pressure though. Unohana is a healer, but healers may know some nasty tricks too since they know so much about the body and such, so perhaps she could win over Chad.

Note:Recent chapters lead me to believe that Chad is too slow to compete with captains. So Unohana could probably beat Chad.

[krnxboi012]

1st division captain of course....
but maybe zaraki kenpachi if he has bankai :eek13:

[Neve]

I'd have 2 say Byakuya, cos of how he almost beats Ichigo, even with his Bankai.

My favourite's still Soi Fon tho :D

[TauRuS van Deen]

The strongest are:
Jama-jii - because he is the founder of the Academy
Zaraki Kenpachi - because even without his Zanpaku-to's name he fights better than other captains
Kuchiki Byakuya - well You saw him fighting;-)

[Nood]

1. Yamamoto (The oldest, that makes him the most experienced, thus the strongest)
2. Shunsui (im prety sure those twinblades arent just goodlooking :D)
3. Aizen (probably because hes zanpakuto is rigged) 4. Ukitake/Byakuya (Well Ukitake would be stronger but hes ill)
5. Ichimaru Gin (May be stronger but i dont know shiz about hes shikai/bankai - well if he cant repeat shikai fast enough than he should be placed lower)
6. Soi Fong (Cheap shikai, and shes fast as hell)
7. Hitsugaya Toushiro (Until about episode 40 i thought hes a female)
8. Zaraki Kenpachi (Yes hes strong as hell, but without demon arts or shikai/bankai hes screwed, he doesnt kno any advanced techniques)
9. Mayuri (Cheap shikai, and i would be scared of touching hes super ugly bankai)
10. Sajin "Fox" Dude ( He seemed pretty strong with bankai but probably beatable with speed)
11.Tousen Blindness ( Well hes afraid to kill anyone...that makes him pretty weak )
12. Unohana (Obvious)

This is the correct use of the spoiler tags

[tednfs]

IF kenpachi gets his benkai and shikai(its inevitable) he'll climb the ladder
nood
he prob can do all those demon arts things.cuz according to how much reiatsu u have..the limit u can reach..and from what we know he has one of the most intimidating spirit energies..so he has mastered all four types of fighting ..but just likes slashing better(seen in the fight with tousen)
i'll put him around 3-4

[Nood]

No. Kenpachi would get higher IF he gets shikai...getting Bankai AND mastering it would probably took 10-15 years for him.
And after centuries of using a nameless sword probably reaching shikai would need that much time too.
And im pretty sure he dont kno shit about demon arts, or controlling hes reiatsu. He needs that eyepatch thing to keep hes reiatsu "low".
If he knows demon arts he would probablyí used it against Ichigo. Cmon he said he wants to get stronger after Ichigo beat him, not that "Oh i should have used my super demon arts too...".
And im not talking about how strong captains could get...so with hes current state hes not that strong.
I could say things like Tousen is as strong as the 2. or 3. because hes the one who could fight the most effectively against Aizen.

This is the proper and correct use of spoiler tags for people who do not know how to use them

[tednfs]

true

but i dont see him turning against aizen soon..he believes aizen to be doing the right thing
he would only fight ichigo with his sword( the 11th squad code)
although i myself dont imagine him going to school..he must know demon arts but simply prefers sword combat
and what im saying is if he knows it he can reach about 80-89 as according to ur reaitsu determines the number u can reach..when aizen is done with transformation he will surpass 90
try to get what im saying
he took out a bankai tousen comfortably..


Here is the correct use of the spoiler tags and here is a link on how to use them http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3221

[Nood]

I dont read manga so i dont kno what ur talking about (i just writed down what i already read here in the anime section)
Zaraki took that bankai out because:
1. Hes probably the best at getting fuked up but still doing good.
2. Tousen is a weakling who was stupid enough not to finish up Zaraki in the first cut. - He could have just slice hes neck.
If someone more agressive got that bankai, and fought against Zaraki he would probably been got beated up to pulp.

[Marke]

Aizon is Strongest.

pepole just think Byakuya is strong cause he is "shown" as Ichigos main enemy.
And all this with him not talking and acting cool...

Usally that means pepole are really strong, but dont make him the strongest.

Spoilers=Banishment

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I think the top five are Yamamoto, Aizen, Urahara, Ukitake, and Shunsui. They're most likely the most powerful captains from what we've seen and in some cases heard.

[Injektilo]

Hmmm, it's indeed difficult to rank them. I'll have to divide them in groups. People in group 1 are the strongest, etc.

Group 1.

Genryuusai, Ryuuken, Ishin and Aizen. It's very likely that Aizen is stronger than Genryuusai. I'm judging this from the speed he took out captains. So far, he owned every captain he came across in less than 10 seconds. He could probably take out multiple captains in less than a minute. Even Zaraki took awhile to defeat Tousen and i don't see Yamamoto owning captain level people that fast.
Pretty much unknown how strong Ishin and Ryuuken are, but it's probable that they are stronger than Ichigo and Ishida.

Group 2.

Ukitake, Shunsui, Gin, Urahara, Ishida, Ichigo and Byakuya. Ukitake and Shunsui are evenly matched, but i'm not sure if Byakuya is stronger or weaker than them. We know that traditionally people who exercise nitoryu in anime tend to be very powerful (like Miyamoto Musashi). We also know that Ichigo is stronger than Byakuya. Ishida ranks up their too, but could probably tie or lose to Byakuya. Ishida is probably the weakest of this group, but only because i consider the others to have abilities to dodge Ishida. If ishida's arrow ever manages to hit, God have mercy on them.
Also, Gin is an unknown, but since Aizen acknowledged him, he may potentially be the strongest of this group. Even Zaraki acknowledged his strength. Some people think Gin is weak cause of his fight with Hitsugaya, but i believe Gin completely planned it out to put Hitsugaya and Hinamori in a straight line, so he is strategically very strong.
Urahara is pretty much unknown, i only know that he's almost as talented as Ichigo (judging from the 3 day test here, since he did the test in 3 days himself) and more experienced. If he's stronger or weaker than ichigo is unkown, but he probably belongs in this group. Urahara and Gin belong potentially in group 1, but too much is unknown for that.

Group 3.

Hitsugaya, Zaraki, Mayuri and Yoruichi. Not sure who is stronger of these four. I do know that i'm under the impression that people who have elemental swords (like Genryuusai) tend to be very powerful. But Zaraki is a monster too and Yoruichi has a speed advantage. If we consider Hitsugaya's bankai, he could probably turn Zaraki in ice, but maybe Zaraki's strength could withstand it. Yoruichi's shunkou is probably on par with Zaraki with his eyepatch off.
Now Mayuri is actually a wild card. His shikai is of no note and would probably lose To Soi Fong's shikai. His bankai and his ability to liquify himself to escape however make him a very nasty person. His abilities are good enough to take on Ishida from group 2 and everyone down him in this list. He would probably have to liquify himself most of the time, but the opponent would be left behind poisoned and dying. In the end, even though the opponents would dominate him, he would be the last man/monster left standing.

Group 4.

Soi Fong, Tousen, Komamura and Renji. Renji is new, so that's why he ranks here in group 4. But i must say he was good enough to scare Byakuya a few times, even if he didn't get any wounds. Renji is potentially as strong or stronger than Komamura and Tousen. Soi Fong is stronger than Renji, Tousen and Komamura.

Group 5.

Unohana and Chad. Not sure who would win between these two actually. Chad's attacks are dangerous enough to be dangerous for someone like Shunsui, but he's too slow to hit anyone. He could probably take on Komamura and Tousen, since they are probably the slowest from all the captains. He would probably still lose in spiritual pressure though. Unohana is a healer, but healers may know some nasty tricks too since they know so much about the body and such, so perhaps she could win over Chad.

Note:Recent chapters lead me to believe that Chad is too slow to compete with captains. So Unohana could probably beat Chad.
I approve of, and agree with this ranking completely, though much of it is based on circumstantial evidence and could change, at the present it matches my thoughts.

I'd be wary of underestimating Unohona, she saw through (partially) Aizen's perfect illusion and Aizen avoided a confrontation with her, despite having Ichimaru with him and Unohona's VC would be useless in such a high-powered fight, so it would have been effectively Ichimaru and Aizen vs. Unohona. It could be argued that he would have killed her had it not been for the need to complete his objective quickly, but the fact that he stopped and spoke before retrieving the Hougyoka (sp?) suggests to me that this was unimportant to him. I'd wager her Reiatsu is ridiculously strong, but doesn't manifest in as threatening a fashion as other Shinigami so is harder to pick up, seeing through Aizen's Complete Hypnosis, even if only partially suggests great strength to me

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

About Komamura, I don't think the reputation he's got for being a weak captain is fair. He really wasn't fighting seriously with Zaraki until Tousen got injured and then he pulled his bankai out. We didn't get to see what it does but it did destroy the building they were fighting on. Hell, we didn't see the true power of his shikai in that fight either. That wasn't shown until he fought with Aizen and it was the attack responsible for the huge gash in the side of the execution grounds as shown in chapter 175. It didn't take him long to recover from the level 90 spell he received too, so I don't think we can make an accurate judgment on his power level yet. Although, I would place him in the 3rd group jonat3 came up with. (anime people stay away)

[Sandal Hat]

Do not click anime viewers


I don't think Aizen hurt Unohana because he would get nothing out of it. Usually medics remain neutral in wars and heal both sides. If Aizen wanted he could have killed Renji, Ichigo, and Byakuya before the rest of Gotei 13 showed up but he didn't, he just toyed around with his prey like Tousen did when he fought Zaraki which is why Aizen is gonna get his assed handed to him at the end of Bleach

Edit: I meant Tousen wasted time in fighting Zaraki by talking to himself and slashing non-vital parts of Zaraki's body. Tousen tottally underestimated Zaraki just because of zaraki's lack of shikai and his personal fealing towards him and he overestimated his bankai by not thinking anyone could overcome it

[captain_soifon]

u saying that tousen wasnt trying vs kenpachi?

[Sandal Hat]

u saying that tousen wasnt trying vs kenpachi?
No i wasn't saying that at all, I'm going to try to reword it so you can understand it

[captain_soifon]

o i think i get it, if u switch the aizen and tousen i think itll be easier to understand ^^

[SLVR]

my list
1. Aizen
2. 1st squad captin
3. 13th squad captin
4. 8th squad captin
5. Ichimaru Gin
I put Gin infront of 6th squad captin because Ganju still survived Byakuya's first release. Gin stabes 6th squad captin and has to have 4th squad captin save him.
Someone put up a argument that Ganju> Byakuya

[captain_soifon]

dont forget that he had to fight ichigo/hollow ichigo and was really low on energy been long since i did spoiler

my list:
1) Aizen/yama
3)shunsui/utitake
5)byakuya
6)kenpachi
7)ichimaru
8)soifon
9)maruyi
10)tosen
11)hitsugaya
12)fox
13)healer

[ChronoTrigga]

In terms of strength alone.

1. Yamamoto
2. Aizen Sousuke
3. Konamura
4. Ukitake
5. Shinsui
6. Kenpachi
7. Byakuya
8. Hitsugaya
9. Ichimaru
10. Soi Fong
11. Tousen
12. Mayuri
13. Unohana

[Byakuya7]

Heres my list..I think its pretty accurate

1.Hollow Ichigo Mastered
2.Aizen with Hogyoku!
3.Kenpachi (with Ban Kai)
4.Yamamoto Genryusai
5.Aizen Souske
6.Baishin
7.Urahara Kisuke
8.Kyoraku Shunsui
9.Ukitake Juushiro
10.Kuchiki Byakuya
11.Ichimaru Gin
12.Soi Fong
13.Hitsugaya Toushiro
14.Abarai Renji
15.Zaraki Kenpachi
16.Komamura Sajin
17.Tousen Kaname
18.Kurotsuchi Mayuri
19.Unohana Retsu

[Sandal Hat]

Something....a bit more accurate and only including the captains

1.Aizen(he's not a captain anymore but oh well)
2.Yamamoto
3. Shunsui
4. Ukitake
5. Byakuya
6. Hitsugaya (his bankai will allow him to defeat Zaraki)
7. Soi Fong (shikai combined with shunko, and then she has bankai as backup)
8.Zaraki or Mayuri (mayuri's bankai can poison, might end in tie)
9. Sajin
10. Tousen

Unohana and Gin are not in the list because we haven't seen enough of them

[Byakuya7]

Something....a bit more accurate and only including the captains

1.Aizen(he's not a captain anymore but oh well)
2.Yamamoto
3. Shunsui
4. Ukitake
5. Byakuya
6. Hitsugaya (his bankai will allow him to defeat Zaraki)
7. Soi Fong (shikai combined with shunko, and then she has bankai as backup)
8.Zaraki or Mayuri (mayuri's bankai can poison, might end in tie)
9. Sajin
10. Tousen

Unohana and Gin are not in the list because we haven't seen enough of them

Oh, I see how it is sandal hat! dissing my creativity! *walks away*

[Metallo5]

I think this one's more on the money
1 Aizen/Yama
2 Shunsui
3 Ukitake
4 Unohana
5 Byakuya
6 Soi Fon
7 Hitsugaya
8 Zaraki
9 Gin
10 Komamura
11 Tousen
12 Mayuri

[Sandal Hat]

So, you think Unohona is rank 4th even though we have seen nothing of her power and biased assumptions of her power?

You can't really put Gin anywhere on that list and Tousen's bankai would only work against him if he fought Mayuri. Having all the poison trapped in a confined space would be extremely fatal. Not to mention any other abilites Mayuri's bankai might hve.

[Polygon]

So, you think Unohona is rank 4th even though we have seen nothing of her power and biased assumptions of her power?

It IS an opinon. but I would say that she is that strong. Pure speculation.

You can't really put Gin anywhere on that list and Tousen's bankai would only work against him if he fought Mayuri. Having all the poison trapped in a confined space would be extremely fatal. Not to mention any other abilites Mayuri's bankai might hve.

We've seen gin fight seriously, he wasn't that strong. Same for tousen. We don't have the stregh scale of mayuri, since we have no idea how powerful Ishida was.

[Sandal Hat]

You actually think Gin was fighting serious? If he was, do you actually think that he was getting beat?

Tousen was stupid. That's why I have to put him at the bottom. If had used his brain he would chopped off Zaraki's head right when he did his bankai(you can't argue there) instead of talking to someone who couldn't hear him anyway. Tousen's over-confidence is what cost him that battle because he was over-estimating his bankai and underestimating Zaraki.

We also don't know the strenght scale of Unohana, Gin, and Sajin. I am using what we do know about Mayuri's bankai and what we know about Tousen's bankai to predict the outcome of the battle.

[Polygon]

You actually think Gin was fighting serious? If he was, do you actually think that he was getting beat?

It obvios he was fighting serious. His mood changed a little bit in the fight, he scowled and his eyes actually opened. He even had to use Hinimori to distract Hitsugaya. And Hitsugaya was pretty much owning him, for the most part.


Tousen was stupid. That's why I have to put him at the bottom. If had used his brain he would chopped off Zaraki's head right when he did his bankai(you can't argue there) instead of talking to someone who couldn't hear him anyway. Tousen's over-confidence is what cost him that battle because he was over-estimating his bankai and underestimating Zaraki.

Yep. Tousen is a dumbass. He will never take advantage of the power his bankai grants him. But his overall abilities aren't to great for being a captian either.

We also don't know the strenght scale of Unohana, Gin, and Sajin. I am using what we do know about Mayuri's bankai and what we know about Tousen's bankai to predict the outcome of the battle.

I did say it was speculation. But I believe Unohana to be really stong. Tousen is not gonna use his bankai effectivel, thats for sure. And Though we don't know the scale of Mayurs bilities, his poisen wil pretty much kill you if inhaled.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Honestly, I think his abilities are pretty good. Ring allows him to immediately incapacitate an opponent. Although, the limits of this ability are unknown. If it was only people who are weaker than him, then it would still be a great technique. He could render most of the people in soul society harmless with little effort. Crimson Flying Locusts is a great attack. No one can say it's not powerful. It ****ing leveled half of the huge ass building they were fighting on. It's not Tousen's fault that Zaraki is a monster who can take attacks like they're nothing. Zangetsu to the face anyone? It would probably seriously injure almost everyone we know of and has the potential to slaughter many enemies. A concentrated version of the attack would be pure unadulterated owange.

[Sandal Hat]

Tousen does have some kick ass abilites. He would be alot cooler if he used them right and maybe had a little more reiatsu

[Polygon]

Honestly, I think his abilities are pretty good. Ring allows him to immediately incapacitate an opponent. Although, the limits of this ability are unknown. If it was only people who are weaker than him, then it would still be a great technique. He could render most of the people in soul society harmless with little effort. Crimson Flying Locusts is a great attack. No one can say it's not powerful. It ****ing leveled the huge ass building they were fighting on. It's not Tousen's fault that Zaraki is a monster who can take attacks like they're nothing. Zangetsu to the face anyone? It would probably seriously injure almost everyone we know of and has the potential to slaughter many enemies.

Never said they weren't good attacks, but he lacks the will to do them good enoughf. As for the building that was 2 shinkais and I'm sure someway or another any captian can do that.

[Dounick]

yeah i think Gin wasnt really trying in that fight

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

True, Komamura did use his sword to bust that building up too. Does anyone know if he used the disembodied sword/hand attack or was that just a normal slash?

I'm sure Tousen will make up for his dismal performance in the SS arc. The next time we see the blind man he could very well be a
hybrid. I don't think his hollow half will give a crap about justice.You can be assured that it will take the path with the most blood. OMG, it would be so awesome if he jumped into a crowd of a shingami, raised his bankai, flashed stepped all over the place, and when he's finished all of his enemies explode in blood.

[Metallo5]

Hey I will always rank the eldest captains at the top and since Unohana is one of those she has earned her 4th spot. You can dispute it all u want but she has something in common with the most powerful captains and that is we have yet to see her true battle prowess or lack there of nor her bankai. Shunsui, Ukitake, and Yamamoto have all this in common. This infers that she has some link into that top tier whether you acknowledge it or not.

[Sandal Hat]

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong, I just wanted to why you think the way that you do.

Shouldn't you rank Gin higher if that's whay your basing it on? We have yet to see his bankai or true battle prowess IMO

[Polygon]

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong, I just wanted to why you think the way that you do.

Shouldn't you rank Gin higher if that's whay your basing it on? We have yet to see his bankai or true battle prowess IMO

True. I beleive he is stronger now in th manga then he was before, much stronger. But hitsugaya used shinkai and so did he. we'll see later on.

[ryo.]

this???
1. Aizen
2. Yamamoto
3. Shunsui
4. Ukitake
5. Unohana?? (haven't seen much of her and shes kind of more of the healing type rather than fighting...)
6. Byakuya
7. Hitsugaya
8. Soi Fong
9. Zaraki (his combat ability isn't bad...but if he had bankai he would be much stronger..)
10. Ichimaru (haven't seen much...but when he fought with Hitsugaya...other than being despicable and using Hinamori...he would have lost to Hitsu...)
11. Tousen
12. Komamura
13. Mayuri

[blackmemory]

You think Ichimaru would lost to Hitsugayas icy tricks, ryo? Its hard to tell, maybe Ichimaru didnt wanted to show his true strength...

[Kodoku]

I don't really see how anyone can judge anyone better as their abilities will have different degrees of effect on different people depending on their fighting style. For example Kenpachi couldnt beat Byakuya as all those pink bits would shred the o so powerful 11th captain. However Kenpachi can beat Tousen cos Tousen is an idiot who doesnt do killing blows with his first attack. Then again is Tousen took away Byakuyas sight, then he couldnt direct the pink things so couldnt win. So you end up with more rock paper scissors than a direct line.

I also think Unohana is more powerful than she appears. Gin too, even though he's so dam smug. In reality unless everyone fights everyone we can never decide who is most powerful. Nevertheless here is my rankings...

1 Aizen
2 Yamamoto
3 Byakuya
4 Ukitake/Shunsui -These guys are the same in my opinion.
5 Unohana- as i explained this is pretty much a guess
6 Soi Fong
7 Gin
8 Kenpachi
9 Hitsugaya
10 Mayuri- God i hate him
11 Tousen
12 Komamura
13 Me- extra one, woot

[Metallo5]

5 Unohana- as i explained this is pretty much a guess

This is a very Good Guess, however Yama if anything is equal to Aizen not the other way around. And Byakuya ain't up there trust me on that one.

[SLVR]

About Gin when he was fighting Hitsuguya it didnt seem to me like he tried to even shoot at him just aiming for Momo. He never changed the angle of Shinsuo.

[duncandun]

I think tousen should be up there, just because he lost to kenpachi(who is a crazy sob), anyone else other then him probobly wouldent have been as calm and effing nuts when he was getting stabbed at by somthing he couldent hear, sense, see, smell, etc.

[terrylee79]

I would have to say GIN have to be top 5 captains because

On episode 62, when GIN was powering up, Inoue and even ishida that defeated mayuri fell to the ground cuz of his reiatsu. I think his about same level as byayku

[captain_soifon]

dont forget that ishida lost his powers, and he took off the gaunlet thingy when fighting mayuri

[Neve]

Hmm...lets see...you can't really rank them because they all have different areas of speciality, but in terms of fighting strength, I would say...
1. Aizen
2. Yamamoto
3. Byakua
4. Tousen (for anyone whose fighting skills were not as well honed as kenpachi, his bankai = death)
5. Soi Fong
6. Kenpachi
7. Mayuri
8. Ukitake
9. Kyouraku
10. Hitsugaya
11. Ichimaru
12. Unahana
13. Koumamura

[astrallite]

I think from how long this discussion has lasted...

The top tiers (Aizen, Yammy, Shunui, Ukitake) are settled, but all the other captains fall into matchup wars. Like someone else said before, Rock, Paper, Scissors. The rest are masters of paticular skills that make them better than some, but weaker than others. Some of the melee'ers (Komamura, Kenpachi) have natural advantages against the others that are more jack of all trades, or just cheap in one degree (Tousen). Others (like Byakuya) do well against melee'ers because of his blade shield, although he has a weakness against sheer speed. Gin toyed with Hitsugaya, but was afraid to fight Buyakya (and dragged Kenpachi away earlier). Kenpachi is the greatest of the "whackers", but got beat by someone who could outwhack him (Ichigo).

Also Aizen is an interesting matchup himself. He doesn't give you the benefit of the "DBZ powerup." If you are powering up, he will stab you. Guys who can take more punshiment would probably be a better matchup against him then say guys which cheap Bankais, since their throats would be slit mid "Kai". In other words, while Byakuya has a great advantage against most captains in duel situations, against Aizen, Kenpachi would be probably a better matchup.

[SLVR]

I feel Byakuya is definatly strong because he has a defensive bankai. But havnt seen any other wi th diffrent techniques (sp).

[Metallo5]

Byakuya is really the only Captain that I have seen make use of the destruction arts besides for Aizen.

[dragon_slayer]

WEL.... I am gonna go with Bukuya. Rukia's brother.

[Ravenfdasfd]

Gin...gotta love the smile.

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

Strong:
1. Kenpachi
2. Fox guy
3. Old Man
4. Kyouraku/Ukitake
4. Kyouraku/Ukitake
5. Byakuya
6. Aizen
7. Tousen
8. Ichimaru
9. Kurotsuchi Mayuri
10. Unohana Retsu
11. Soifon
12. Hitsugaya

Now lets get to the important part. Just because someone is "strong" doesn't mean they can fight.

Fighting Skill
1. Old Man Yama/Aizen
1. Old Man Yama/Aizen
2. Unohana Retsu (Hmm.. I wonder if there is a particular reason that AIZEN actually avoided a fight with her...)
3. Soi Fon (Speed+Suzume Bachi= Pure Pwnage)
4. Kyouraku/Ukitake
4. Kyouraku/Ukitake
5. Byakuya
6. Hitsugaya
7. Ichimaru (he almost got pwnt by Hitsy. Don't say he wasn't doing jack. Ichimaru opened his eyes, which means his life was in danger)
8. Kenpachi
9. Fox dude
10. Tousen
11. Mayuri

[tAhTsExYBrOwNmAn]

2. Unohana Retsu (Hmm.. I wonder if there is a particular reason that AIZEN actually avoided a fight with her...)


Oooh, I never thought of it that way. Perhaps there could be a reason.

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

Because, now if you think about it, he COULD'VE killed her AND her VC before they could even release... unless she was powerful.

p.s. I'm almost sure Hitsugaya will pwn when he gets older. He fights a bit lower than the other Captains, but he is exponentially younger. He is looks younger than most people were when they were in the Shinigami Academy.

[choujiwong]

oo ya..maybe unohana taichou has some mysterious powers and she is able to notice the Aizen's dead body was actually a fake one...we havent see much unohana taichou in action though..but im certainly looking foward unohana taichou's bankai and more action..

hmm..the strongest might be...hmm...maybe byakuya-sama..agree with Metallo5..he showed much of his power in the anime and the manga..so i guess he's the strongest..i couldnt say Aizen's is the strongest captain since he's not one of the taichou anymore in the Gotei 13..he and his evil plots...he's not the strongest captain but i guess he's the strongest villain...

[Metallo5]

I know i gave Byakuya a compliment about his destructive arts but do not misunderstand me I believe the order is something like this


Yamamoto
Aizen
Ukitake/Shunsui
Unohana
Byakuya
Gin
Soi Fon
Hitsugaya
Zaraki
Komamura
Tousen
Mayuri

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Yamamoto 1) No explanation needed.

Aizen 2) He's owned enough people and probably can do 90+ spells right with their incantations.

Ukitake/Shunsui 3) They're the eldest captains and Yama praises them for their skill.

Unohana 4) I think she's the 4th oldest captain and Aizen didn't really mess wih her, but his reasons are unclear at this point.

Byakuya 5) He's a bit more powerful than Ichigo and seems to have mastery of his bankai.

Gin 6) Aizen recognized his potential and trained him so he should be something special.

Soi Fon 7) She has excellent hand to hand combat skills, speed, agility, shunko, and a deadly shikai.

Zaraki 8) His reiatsu is almost unmatched and possesses abnormal vitality.

Komamura 9) His shikai required Aizen's hand to block and still retained consciousness after taking Black Coffin. He can also shatter stone with his fists.

Hitsugaya 10) Shows a great deal of potential and has the strongest ice zanpaku-to.

Tousen 11) Has unique shikai abilities and a deadly bankai but lacks the resolve to use them and fight efficiently.

Mayuri 12) He looks like and fights like trash.

[astrallite]

That last list by Kyouka is very good. Of course we have no idea what/how Unohana fights (or perhaps she's the ultimate defensive captain being she's a healer and Aizen might have felt it would have been a waste of time to fight her).

And great pointing out...even now...Byakuya is still stronger than Ichigo. The majority of the damage was wraught by Hollow-form Ichigo, it was clear Ichigo was outclassed when Byakuya fired up his final stage bankai.

Of course this is moot point, since Ichigo has found a new innate power (like he always does) which in time he will master. His power is limitless, partly because his body is so readily able to continue improving and fighting despite constant injury (he's covered in more and more bandages as the ryoka invasion continues), and also, he's the ultimate bunker head...provided Ichigo is constantly pushed along by allies stronger than him who know how to lead him. But the fact that he can continuously soak in the new knowledge and power is remarkable.

Hitsugaya is the child prodigy, but Ichigo is on a different level. He's like Saiyans in DBZ--they get stronger after each battle. He's skipping steps to jumping to higher levels. He doesn't need years of repeitition to gain powers, his concentration is absolute and he's just going through stuff that most people would suffer a seizure from. Ichigo...is the sh1t!

[captain_soifon]

Yamamoto 1) No explanation needed.

Aizen 2) He's owned enough people and probably can do 90+ spells right with their incantations.

Ukitake/Shunsui 3) They're the eldest captains and Yama praises them for their skill.

Unohana 4) I think she's the 4th oldest captain and Aizen didn't really mess wih her, but his reasons are unclear at this point.

Byakuya 5) He's a bit more powerful than Ichigo and seems to have mastery of his bankai.

Gin 6) Aizen recognized his potential and trained him so he should be something special.

Soi Fon 7) She has excellent hand to hand combat skills, speed, agility, shunko, and a deadly shikai.

Zaraki 8) His reiatsu is almost unmatched and possesses abnormal vitality.

Komamura 9) His shikai required Aizen's hand to block and still retained consciousness after taking Black Coffin. He can also shatter stone with his fists.

Hitsugaya 10) Shows a great deal of potential and has the strongest ice zanpaku-to.

Tousen 11) Has unique shikai abilities and a deadly bankai but lacks the resolve to use them and fight efficiently.

Mayuri 12) He looks like and fights like trash.

this list i can agree with

[Revimus]

Am I wrong or is Zaraki the strongest? Even though I favor Byakyua, Zaraki has so much power without releasing his zanpak-tu, and his battle with komamura and tousen was just badass. I mean if he can rival Bankai's at this level what could he do when he reaches Bankai? He's proven to get stronger as the battles get tougher emphasising we don't know his real power at his current stage just yet.

[captain_soifon]

yes thats his real power, butnot his full potential =p; also i would put him under aizen and yama even with bankai, probably above byakuya

[astrallite]

Byakuya's first stage bankai probably has a better chance against Zaraki than his final stage. Zaraki owns the matchup wars against duel situations. But being a melee captain, his weakness will invariably be against range (Byakuya can be virtually invinicible against Zaraki with his first stage Bankai; he's not nearly fast enough to outpace the flower petals like Ichigo could; I mean Ichigo's bankai was MAXIMUM SPEED OUTPUT bankai).

[prime91]

I agree with the list except that Unohana's bankai and shikai both are healing things. So they don't give her much strenght. I'm sure she would do good in a battle but not as good as byakuya or soi-fong. Also I don't know Aizen being stronger than Ukitake and Shunsui. Because we didn't see them in battle. But they are the first students that Yamamoto ever had.
hmm.. Actualy I withdraw my last argument... Aizen is stronger because of his shikai being l33t. And with a shikai in wich you can hurt a captain using his bankai badly, I can imagine his bankai being even worse!

[Metallo5]

Her Bankai has yet to be seen. kyouka's list seem to be sort of in lkine with my own except for the very bottom tier of it. She added reasons thats all. I don't mean to take anyone's credit just wondering why my list didn't get any recognition.
Side note We have not seen Unohana's Bankai yet. And since Bankai's are so unusual we cannot even guess what they are.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

........I'm a guy. It's ok though since there'd be no way for you to know that. Anyway, I don't think Aizen would have picked a fight with Yama-jii, Unohana, or Shunsui. I'm leaving Ukitake out because his health fluctuates and four-eyes seems like an opportunist. I don't think any of them would immediately get owned by his shikai and could possibly do some damage to him. He probably would only fight when engaged since he just wanted to slip out of SS.

[SLVR]

Ganju still survived Byakuya's first release.
Gin stabes Byakuya and has to have 4th squad captin save him.
Byakuya said he wasnt holdng back on Ganju and he still survived.
Byakuya might have been injured but I would take a injured Byakuya against a healthy Ganju any day. It not like Gin used bankai. Thy both used shikai

Someone put up a argument that Ganju> Byakuya

[astrallite]

Ganju > all since as a side medic he's not a disposable character for the heroes on a long journey. All characters who are not disposable are by nature unkillable since they will always find a way out of getting owned.

: )

[captain_soifon]

byakuya was stabbed in the heart, im sure if they left ganju he woulve died

[Byakuya7]

Ganju still survived Byakuya's first release.

You should know by now that no important or even side characters die in bleach. If they would have left Ganju there on the bridge after he took the force of Byakuyas Shi Kai, he would have died.

Gin stabes Byakuya and has to have 4th squad captin save him.

First of all he was worn out from the fight with Ichigo, and he sprang up with all his strength to save Rukia. The hit that he took was directly aimed at his heart as well.

Byakuya said he wasnt holdng back on Ganju and he still survived.

Yes he was holding back on Ganju, if he really felt in necessary to eradicate Ganju he would use his Ban kai, or even Sen Kei. Because if you remember in episode 59 Byakuya states that he only uses Sen kei for people that he swears to kill with his own hands. He did use shi kai to get rid of Ganju, and it shows how irritated he was, because it takes a lot for Byakuya to get angry enough to use Shi Kai. But, he was holding back otherwise he would have used his full power to overkill ganju.

Byakuya might have been injured but I would take a injured Byakuya against a healthy Ganju any day. It not like Gin used bankai. Thy both used shikai

Theres a difference between battling at full strength, or leaping into a blade to save someone you care about. He wasnt fighting Gin, he was stopping the blade from hitting Rukia and killing her.

Someone put up a argument that Ganju> Byakuya

I really hope this is a joke. Ganju is pitiful, he couldnt even beat Yumichka.

[Katen Kyoukotsu]

Its hard to come up with a most powerfull captian. I wonder If your talking sheer strength, demon arts, effectiveness, or a mix of all three. Plus some of the captians might seem weaker then they are simply because certian soul slayers are more effective agianst others(exaple: Kira vs. Matsumoto). Plus we havent seen alot of the captains ban kai and only one of their sen kai. I guess you can argue about it as much as you want. But until we get alot more info I dont think any one can have clear victory at this point.

[SLVR]

Yeah I guess I just have a hate for Ganju after rewatching when they enter seeing how much he holds back Ichigo.

[Katen Kyoukotsu]

Yeah Ganju's a bit of a dork hes like Ichigo or Ishida but without the power to back up his attitude. All I know is hes definatly not my favorite char.

[Byakuya7]

Yeah I guess I just have a hate for Ganju after rewatching when they enter seeing how much he holds back Ichigo.

man you totally confused me. I thought you favored Ganju and that you were serious about all those points you made.

[Cailous]

Eh... "senkai"? So is this some sort of form above bankai...?

Can someone please explain what there is to senkai, or at least what is known so far? I'm very interested...


On Topic: Yama and Ukitake.

[SLVR]

man you totally confused me. I thought you favored Ganju and that you were serious about all those points you made.

I was mad Byakuya didnt kill him, that has me PO'ed at Byakuya. He still one a my favorites

[MVIK]

.....Senkei Senbonzakura Kageyoshi is Byakuya's bankai true form.

[Cailous]

Its hard to come up with a most powerfull captian. I wonder If your talking sheer strength, demon arts, effectiveness, or a mix of all three. Plus some of the captians might seem weaker then they are simply because certian soul slayers are more effective agianst others(exaple: Kira vs. Matsumoto). Plus we havent seen alot of the captains ban kai and only one of their sen kai. I guess you can argue about it as much as you want. But until we get alot more info I dont think any one can have clear victory at this point.

Oh sorry. I must of misunderstood the above statement. Thanks.

[MVIK]

Strongest captain? Aizen......heh

[Amu]

Aizen CANNOT be said to be the strongest since we neeeeeeeed to URahara, yoruichi, ukitake, yama BANKAI!

[plub]

so far Aizen is the strongest. alltough, i have a feeling Kenpachi will have a talk with that sword of his.

[Metallo5]

I will put it this way, if we have seen their Bankai that means they are out of the running for strongest Captain. That leaves about 4 captains that are still within the Gotei 13. Yamamoto, Ukitake, Shunsui, Unohana. 2 Captains on the bad side Aizen & Gin. 2 Exiled Captains Urahara, and Isshin. 1 person who we have yet to see use a sword, Yuroichi.

[teamninja60]

aizen or yamamoto
after that would be gin, byakuya, kenpachi

[Metallo5]

Aizen and Yama yes Gin Byakuya kenpachi no.
refer to this link for a more accurate list and look above for reasons.
http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1185&page=32&pp=10

[teamninja60]

Aizen and Yama yes Gin Byakuya kenpachi no.
refer to this link for a more accurate list and look above for reasons.
http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1185&page=32&pp=10


those reasons make sense but i wouldn't put soi fong so high up

[Sandal Hat]

That list is wrong because it isn't mine :) (j/k)

Also, Soi would rank higher if we see her bankai. I mean, if her shikai is that powerful just think of what her bankai might do combined with shunko

[Metallo5]

Oui I forgot she even had a Bankai. She just moved up a few ranks lol.

[Tetsuya133]

yeah soi is really strong only with her shikai but we havent seen much bankais so who knows

[teamninja60]

oh that's right i forgot that her shikai is a 2-hit kill thing

[Metallo5]

well I wouldn't put too much stock in it because there are ways to keep you opponent from hiting u. lol.

[captain_soifon]

yeah soi is really strong only with her shikai but we havent seen much bankais so who knows
bankai>shikai dont forget ;o

[Metallo5]

Yes it is but i bet its some kind of bee thing. Lol

[kraziekid]

I was just wondering..Who's the strongest captain?? :redbiggri

well i think aizen and tousen

[Byakuya7]

well i think aizen and tousen

Tousen?! I wont even comment on that....

[captain_soifon]

well i think aizen and tousen
lol tousen, please explain

[Abarai Renji]

Yamamato Genryuusai, then aizen, read that on bleach portal. tousen is pretty cool though

[OrbitzXT]

Tousen is easily bashed because we only saw him fight once and his Bankai got owned by a captain who doesnt even have one and now he's a traitor, so its easy to hate him. While there's absolutely no evidence to support this, I think Tousen might end up as good guy. Something tells me a fight between him and Aizen would be interesting, since Tousen is immune to Hypnotism and Tousen's Bankai takes away the senses or whatever it does. He probably is a bastard, but I hate hating characters so I like to leave some small hope for them.

[Metallo5]

Tousen is easily bashed because he sucks. lol. You gotta be hoping for a hell mary if u think tousen might turn around.

[Byakuya7]

Tousen is easily bashed because we only saw him fight once and his Bankai got owned by a captain who doesnt even have one and now he's a traitor, so its easy to hate him. While there's absolutely no evidence to support this, I think Tousen might end up as good guy. Something tells me a fight between him and Aizen would be interesting, since Tousen is immune to Hypnotism and Tousen's Bankai takes away the senses or whatever it does. He probably is a bastard, but I hate hating characters so I like to leave some small hope for them.


Exactly, we've only seen Tousen fight once, and he did not display the skill or lack of mercy to defeat a captain who doesnt even have a Shi Kai. Tousen may end up as a good guy and I think that he may betray Aizen. Tousens Ban Kai takes away the senses, but your forgetting that his Ban Kai is ineffictive the way that he uses it, and the sort of personality that he has. If him and Aizen were to get into a fight, it wouldnt be much of a match because you're forgetting that Aizen still hasnt revealed his true powers, nor has he revealed his ban kai. With the Hogyoku in his grasp, Tousen would be torn to shreds easier than Komamura was. I like to leave a small hope for him as well, but it doesnt look as if hes going to become some uber powerful captain. I leave a lot of hope for gin though because hes very mysterious and we havent received a proper insight toward his true abilities.

[Metallo5]

All i can do after a post like that is nod my head. UMM HMM UMMM hMMM.

[duncandun]

Yama, aizen

[thatbabo]

I know...I know...it's completely subjective...but I think the first 62 episodes have given us enough information to at least make some educated guesses...

Let's start with the trio of Aizen, Gin, and Tousen. During the final scene on Soukyoku hill, Tousen is in black garb, the garb usually worn by Lieutenants. But since Aizen has already acknowledged Gin as his real "Lieutenant", I think it can be safely said that:

Aizen > Gin > Tousen.

Zaraki > either Tousen or Komamoru. For crying out loud, he took them both on without even removing that reiatsu-eating eye patch of his. We have no reference for Tousen vs. Komamoru, so we'll just consider them = for now.

Aizen > Gin > Tousen=Komamoru

A pre-Ban Kai Ichigo drew with Zaraki, and a post-Ban Kai Ichigo drew with Byakuya, therefore it could be argued that Byakuya > Zaraki. Gin was easukt able to wrap Zaraki up, against his will, just before Zaraki had it out with Byakuya, I'll go out on limb and say that Gin > Zaraki. No frame of reference for Byakuya and Gin, so for now I'll just call them =. Therefore:

Aizen > Gin=Byakuya > Zaraki > Tousen=Komamoru

That leaves Yamamoto, Soi Fong, Unohana, Shunsui, Hitsugaya, Kurotsuchi, and Ukitake.

Yamamoto is able to handle Shunsui and Ukitake. We don't have much info on Shunsui and Ukitake other than the fact that they were the first two captains to come out of the academy, therefore:

Yamamoto > Shunsui=Ukitake

Aizen pwned Hitsugaya and although Hitsugaya seemed to hold his own against Gin (Gin, to his defense, seemed rather disinterested but that might just be my bias) I don't think their's enough info on Hitsugaya to place him anywhere with any confidence, therefore all we know is:

Aizen > Hitsugaya

We know absolutely nothing about Unohana's fighting capabilities, so placing her anywhere on the order would be complete speculation. Same goes for Soi Fong, as the only thing about her that can be said for certain is that Yoruichi > Soi Fong. Lastly, we've got Kurotsuchi. He lost his fight to Ishida so it's tempting to say that he may not be a strong as some of the other captains, but since we have no frame of reference to Ishida's strength compared to any other Captain, I think he's an unknown as well. So we have four orders:

order A) Aizen > Gin=Byakuya > Zaraki > Tousen=Komamoru

order B) Aizen > Hitsugaya

order C) Yamamoto > Shunsui=Ukitake

order D) Unohana, Soi Fong, and Kurotsuchi are all ?

Trying to place order B), order C), and order D) into order A would be completely speculative.

Any other thoughts?

[Metallo5]

amen brotha preach on.

[OrbitzXT]

Yama, aizen

Why does everyone think Yama and Aizen will fight some day? Yama vs Aizen prior to him obtaining the device is easy, Yama no doubt. If Aizen was stronger than him prior to this plan he wouldn't have a need to raise his limits and powers, thats why he ran away when all the reinforcements came. Its so obvious that Ichigo will have to be the one to one day defeat Aizen. Ichigo doesn't even know how to harness the powers of his hollow or control it, defeating Aizen will involve more training and understanding.

Now that Aizen is more powerful, assuming he used the device on himself, I don't think Yama or any normal shinigami would stand a chance against him. Aizen is all about testing the strength of his hybrids, maybe as they get more powerful he will send one after Yama and see if it can defeat him...just a thought. But its my opinion that we won't see Yama vs Aizen, but I think we will see Yama vs very powerful hybrid...which should be chock full of awesomeness.

[OrbitzXT]

The only ranking you can really say with any certainty is Yama > the other 12. There was a thread arguing Aizen vs Yama, but if Aizen could defeat Yama there would be no need for him to raise his limits. Aizen retreated because he isn't strong enough to handle all those shinigami. Your Aizen vs. all captains he fought isn't accurate either. Aizen had a huge advantage from the start having had nearly everyone under his hypnotism. This is part of the reason Hitsugaya got owned, and because I like Komamura I'll say him to. I do think Aizen>Komamura, but he got owned quick because the hypnotism allowed him time to cast Black Coffin.

The other ranking I'll agree with based on purely what we've seen is Byakuya>Zaraki, because of the reasoning you gave. I imagine Unohana is ranked fairly low vs other captains. She's likely very powerful, but she seems to deal mostly with healing and I don't know how deadly she is. As you say this is all subjective, but the things I mentioned are the few rankings I feel strongly enough that could be more or less accurate.

[animalistic]

not really the same thread blitz, the other thread is about who is strongest, anywayz herez wut i think (aizen,unohana and soifon are out of this one) yama>ukitake=shinsui>byakuya=gin(not sure bout this one) >komumaru=hitsugaya>kenpachi(ya thats right!)>tousen>mayuri

[thatbabo]

The only ranking you can really say with any certainty is Yama > the other 12.

I'm one of the few who doesn't buy this theory...Yama is definitely the oldest one there, but there's been nothing shown to make me think that he's the strongest.

There was a thread arguing Aizen vs Yama, but if Aizen could defeat Yama there would be no need for him to raise his limits.

Again, I don't think that's the reason Aizen wants to raise limits. From his explanation to Ichigo in episode 61, he seemed to imply that he'd reach his limits in Zanjutsu (Sword skill), Hakuda (hand to hand), Hohou (foot-work), and Kidou (magic). This was something that did not sit well with Aizen.

Aizen retreated because he isn't strong enough to handle all those shinigami.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a 'retreat'. He had done everything up to that point to get sucked in by the Negashion (sp?) of the Menos Grande. Everything went according to Aizen's plan.

Your Aizen vs. all captains he fought isn't accurate either. Aizen had a huge advantage from the start having had nearly everyone under his hypnotism. This is part of the reason Hitsugaya got owned, and because I like Komamura I'll say him to. I do think Aizen>Komamura, but he got owned quick because the hypnotism allowed him time to cast Black Coffin.

But Aizen's Kyoukasugetsu (complete hypnotism) is no different than any other Captain's Shikai...it's one of his attacks. The fact that they were all under it, to me anyway, implies just how powerful he is. I mean, for crying out loud, it's his friggin' Shikai?! I drool at the thought of just how powerful his Ban Kai is...

The other ranking I'll agree with based on purely what we've seen is Byakuya>Zaraki, because of the reasoning you gave. I imagine Unohana is ranked fairly low vs other captains. She's likely very powerful, but she seems to deal mostly with healing and I don't know how deadly she is. As you say this is all subjective, but the things I mentioned are the few rankings I feel strongly enough that could be more or less accurate.

You make good arguments...and you're right, in the end it is all subjective. But it sure is fun to talk about :redbiggri

A thread like this already exists... Please follow the link :)

http://www.forums.bleachportal.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1185

Yeah, I saw that post...I thought that this was different seeing as how I wanted to know how people ranked the captains, not just who they viewed as the strongest.

Although, I'd have no objections to this post being moved to that one.

not really the same thread blitz, the other thread is about who is strongest, anywayz herez wut i think (aizen,unohana and soifon are out of this one) yama>ukitake=shinsui>byakuya=gin(not sure bout this one) >komumaru=hitsugaya>kenpachi(ya thats right!)>tousen>mayuri

How dare you put Zaraki that low!!!...:p

[tAhTsExYBrOwNmAn]

But Aizen's Kyoukasugetsu (complete hypnotism) is no different than any other Captain's Shikai...it's one of his attacks. The fact that they were all under it, to me anyway, implies just how powerful he is. I mean, for crying out loud, it's his friggin' Shikai?! I drool at the thought of just how powerful his Ban Kai is...

Yeah, and when you think about it.

Tousen's Ban Kai - does not allow the opponent to use his senses of hearing, smell, and sight. However, allows opponent to use touch and the sense of spirit energy.

Aizen's Shikai - takes over ALL of the opponent's senses (except sense of spirit energy most likely).

Therefore, Aizen's Shikai > Tousen's Ban Kai.

[Shin Oni]

I'm one of the few who doesn't buy this theory...Yama is definitely the oldest one there, but there's been nothing shown to make me think that he's the strongest.

If you think about it, Aizen hasn't shown much himself. Although he's strong (he'd better be if he was trying to pull this off.) We haven't reached his bankai as stated. Yama wouldn't be 1st division captain for no reason. You saw how his reiatsu was that powerful to keep 1 vice captain from sticking around let alone making 2 division captains from heisitating.

Again, I don't think that's the reason Aizen wants to raise limits. From his explanation to Ichigo in episode 61, he seemed to imply that he'd reach his limits in Zanjutsu (Sword skill), Hakuda (hand to hand), Hohou (foot-work), and Kidou (magic). This was something that did not sit well with Aizen.

If Aizen didn't want to raise the limits, then what was the whole point of killing the heavily guarded room? (what was it...called room 46? something that slips the mind.) If Aizen was stronger than Yama, he could've easily done the same thing he did to the room to Yama. Use his hypnotism and be where we are now. Minus Yama and him escaping.

But Aizen's Kyoukasugetsu (complete hypnotism) is no different than any other Captain's Shikai...it's one of his attacks.

You have to realize though that once Aizen pulls it out in even regular form, they're under the trance. Other's Shikai either need to touch someone to be in effect or be in their hands. Aizen gets a big unfair advantage as soon as he unsheaths the sword. Of course the only one able to overcome is blind people (Tousen.) or people who have not completely seen the sword.

[Sandal Hat]

I'll just merge them together into this thread

btw, Aizen>Yama

I doubt Yama could have defeated all of the captains and their vice captains at once so don't use that against Yama

Edit: The fact that Yama had to power up to defeat should be proof that Aizen is stronger than Yama because Aizen defeated all of his opponents extremely fast and without powering up.

[Shin Oni]

I'll just merge them together into this thread

btw, Aizen>Yama

I doubt Yama could have defeated all of the captains and their vice captains at once so don't use that against Yama

Edit: The fact that Yama had to power up to defeat should be proof that Aizen is stronger than Yama because Aizen defeated all of his opponents extremely fast and without powering up.

Well if you're going to judge like so, who knows how powerful Kenpachi is. Seeing he hasn't even reached either Shikai or Bankai but purely lives off his blunt sword. We know he's brimming with Reiatsu. He knows the name of his sword. Takes damage like a man. Seeing he obviously isn't even using his full power, Zaraki is an easy candidate to be called powerful.

Just cause Yama had to power up doesn't mean much if Aizen's bankai is nothing (which I highly doubt.) let alone if Aizen can't get through his flame wall, then i'm sure it'd be something to question.

[Polygon]

btw, Aizen>Yama

I doubt Yama could have defeated all of the captains and their vice captains at once so don't use that against Yama

I don't see why he can't defeat all the captains as easily as Ichigo defeated the Vice-Captians.

Between Vive-Captian and Captian we see a huge differance in power. I don't see a reason why their can't be that much of a differance in power between Captian And Commander General.

Aizen was immpressive. But as you know he is no godly being. He would have had died if negogation wasn't there.



Edit: The fact that Yama had to power up to defeat should be proof that Aizen is stronger than Yama because Aizen defeated all of his opponents extremely fast and without powering up.

That doesn't mean anything. Yes yama-jii powered-up, but whos to say he had to? If anything he was showing his two studenta not to beak the rules. It was a spanking in a sense. The very fact that he was unharmed in anyway when we flashed back to the fight shows he didn't need to power up to take care of them. And we know he wasn't trying to kill them.

Yes aizen defeated Ichigo easily, but he also showed off. Then there is also that it seems it takes quite a while for him to prepare his shinkai, through some kind of ritual. Aizen had no desire whatsoever to punish ichigo or renji, he just wanted rukia.

[terrylee79]

I'll just merge them together into this thread

btw, Aizen>Yama

I doubt Yama could have defeated all of the captains and their vice captains at once so don't use that against Yama

Edit: The fact that Yama had to power up to defeat should be proof that Aizen is stronger than Yama because Aizen defeated all of his opponents extremely fast and without powering up.

I have to agree with this. What can yama do to aizen's hypno? So far, nothing. Yes, Aizen's shikai is cheap but damn powerful but his the leader of the arrancers. That means his even stronger than grimjaw

[Draffut]

Everyone Aizen has fought up to this point in the series is cheese compared to Shishui and Ukitake. a totally unfair comparison.

Also NEVER, in the anime atleast, was it said that Aizen had actually reached all 4 limits. He just said that they existed, and that there was a method to surpass them. Now you can assume that he has reached every maximum from how powerful he is, but we dont really know. If anyone has reached hem all, it would be Yama.

Here is my top 13 list:

1. Yama
2. Aizen (by a small amount)
3: Ukitake (illnesss aside =P)
4. Shunsui
5. Unohana
6. Ichimaru
7. Soi Fong
8. Kuchiki
9. Hitsugaya
10. Zaraki
11. Komamura
12. Tousen
13. Mayuri

Thats what I think. pick it apart as you will. Not sure on a few of them. like Shunsui/Ukitake, Ichimaru/Soi Fong, and Hitsugaya/Zaraki.

[Sgt.Reaper]

Would like a good reson to why you put unohana that high on the list, nothing is known besides she being captain over 4th div and that they are medics

[Draffut]

I have already stated my Unohana arguement in about 4 other threads recently. I can recite it agian if you would like to see it again so badly.

[Sgt.Reaper]

Dont mind if you do

[Sandal Hat]

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I don't see why he can't defeat all the captains as easily as Ichigo defeated the Vice-Captians. Between Vice-Captain and Captain we see a huge differance in power. I don't see a reason why their can't be that much of a differance in power between Captain and Commander General.

Aizen was impressive. But as you know he is no godly being. He would have had died if negation wasn't there.



Come on, Yama can't take all of the captains and Aizen can't either. So does that mean Ichigo has to become stronger than all of the captains combined in order to defeat Aizen? The gap between vice-captain and captain is huge but it can't be the same as the difference between captain and commander.


That doesn't mean anything. Yes yama-jii powered-up, but whos to say he had to? If anything he was showing his two studenta not to beak the rules. It was a spanking in a sense. The very fact that he was unharmed in anyway when we flashed back to the fight shows he didn't need to power up to take care of them. And we know he wasn't trying to kill them.

If he didn't need to power up then why did he? Why did he waste all that time powering up and releasing his shikai that increases his attack even more? If he could have beaten them without doing it then he would have.


Yes aizen defeated Ichigo easily, but he also showed off.

How did he show off? He beat them fast enough already and he didn't put any unneeded effort into it.

Then there is also that it seems it takes quite a while for him to prepare his shinkai, through some kind of ritual.

How do you figure? Oh I see, the part where Unohana talks about his shikai's ritual is confusing you. His ritual is that you need to see his sword being released, it doesn't mean like some sort of ritual like a rain dance or something. The ritual is the act of releasing one's zanpakuto

Aizen had no desire whatsoever to punish ichigo or renji, he just wanted rukia.

He got what he wanted right? Then he left with the Menos Grande not because he was about to die but because he had finished what he had accomplished.

[Hansu]

My Ranking (if everybody uses his full potential (kenpachi = no bankai))

1.) Aizen Sousuke
2.) Yamamoto
3.) Shunsui
4.) Tousen Kaname
5.) Ukitake
6.) Kenpachi
7.) Ichimaru
8.) Kuchiki Byakuya
9.) Hitsugaya
10.)Soi Fong
11.)Komamura
12.)Kurotsuchi Mayuri
13.)Unohana

What I found very interesting here was the fact that Shunsui got very often rated as the second strongest after Yamamoto. I dunno why alot of people get this idea, but it seems that most of the people here don't trust the "flowers and peace" image, and believe in a serious fighter...

[Sgt.Reaper]

On a side not I'm agreeing with Sandal hat mostly, donmt think he could have taken all of them, some have abiletys that are kinda annoying. And Yama even thought he is weaker(presuably) he is still someone to take seriusly

[Polygon]

Come on, Yama can't take all of the captains and Aizen can't either. So does that mean Ichigo has to become stronger than all of the captains combined in order to defeat Aizen? The gap between vice-captain and captain is huge but it can't be the same as the difference between captain and commander.

The older captians would give him trouble ( not including Aizen). Aizen can't because then he would have to fight against yama-jii and the other captians, which would kill anyone.

If he didn't need to power up then why did he? Why did he waste all that time powering up and releasing his shikai that increases his attack even more? If he could have beaten them without doing it then he would have.

It bluntly obvious hat he didn't want to kill them. Again his shinkai was only used to strike fear into his students. And how do you know he would have? It's pretty obvious he didn't want them dead, if he wanted to kill them he would have.


How did he show off? He beat them fast enough already and he didn't put any unneeded effort into it.

Then what do you call using one finger like that? Like it or not he was showing off his power to ichigo and renji.

How do you figure? Oh I see, the part where Unohana talks about his shikai's ritual is confusing you. His ritual is that you need to see his sword being released, it doesn't mean like some sort of ritual like a rain dance or something. The ritual is the act of releasing one's zanpakuto

Yes the ritual is releasing his zanpaktou. But this takes longer than chanting a few words.



He got what he wanted right? Then he left with the Menos Grande not because he was about to die but because he had finished what he had accomplished.[/font]

No. If that was the reason he would have had done it as quickly as possible. It was out of fear plain and simple. He left only when they arrived. Had it only been because he accomplished his goal, he would have had left right after he got the hyongyoku.

[Byakuya7]

I think that Yamamoto is equal to pre hogyoku Aizen. And to those people that say that Aizen and Yama will never fight. I think that its wrong to conclude that they wont because Aizen betrayed everyone in soul society. If Yama-jii went off on such a tangent because of what Shunsui and Ukitake did, then imagine what he would do to Aizen, a person thats been deceiving everyone from the start.

[Sandal Hat]

Octogon


It bluntly obvious hat he didn't want to kill them.

Not really. He even says this won't be like the times when they were kids and they were going to get more than a few scratches and bruses.

Again his shinkai was only used to strike fear into his students.

Please don't make stuff up

And how do you know he would have? It's pretty obvious he didn't want them dead, if he wanted to kill them he would have.


Refer to first sentence. Did ever think that maybe he couldn't kill them?


Then what do you call using one finger like that? Like it or not he was showing off his power to ichigo and renji.

It would be showing off to do anything more. Why kill them off in a huge extravagant way when you can just use your finger to get the job done. He used the minimal requrements to defeat his opponentes without stretching things out.


Yes the ritual is releasing his zanpaktou. But this takes longer than chanting a few words.

How do you know? Have you seen him release his shikai? His "breakdown" only takes him dropping the sword in the ground.




No. If that was the reason he would have had done it as quickly as possible. It was out of fear plain and simple. He left only when they arrived. Had it only been because he accomplished his goal, he would have had left right after he got the hyougyoku.

No. He explained to Ichigo and co about his plan and after that Kuukaku comes outta nowhere and then the rest of the captains join up.

[Byakuya7]

Sandal Hat, couldnt it be possible that Yamamoto is stronger than Aizen even with the Hogyoku. Like I explained before in a different topic, he seems to have that old master appeal to him. You know, like the person that never gets involved in the major fights, but remains the over powered character in the series that no one will ever catch up to. Its just an idea but it could be possible.

[Sandal Hat]

I think Kubo is going with the Young replacing the Old kind of thing (ie Yachiru, Toushiro, Ichigo, Ishida)

[Sgt.Reaper]

@Byakuya:
I get your point, abit like Hiko in Kenshin, right?
But that dont seem to fit the story, since there is no reson for Yama not to enter the fights.

[Byakuya7]

@Byakuya:
I get your point, abit like Hiko in Kenshin, right?
But that dont seem to fit the story, since there is no reson for Yama not to enter the fights.

Yea haha i've made the hiko comparison quite a few times, and I think people are getting annoyed by it. Yama will fight, im almost certain. Aizen fooled him for the longest time, his insolence wont go unpunished. I dont think he can fight equally with Aizen if he has the Hogyoku though.

[thatbabo]

Yama wouldn't be 1st division captain for no reason. You saw how his reiatsu was that powerful to keep 1 vice captain from sticking around let alone making 2 division captains from heisitating.


I don't doubt at all the Yama is one bad mofo, it's just that we haven't seen enough of what he can do, imo, to compare him to Aizen and most of the other Captains. And, as Yama stated himself, he started the Shinigami academy so it'd be weird if he wasn't the leader of the other 12...:p


If Aizen didn't want to raise the limits, then what was the whole point of killing the heavily guarded room? (what was it...called room 46? something that slips the mind.)


Ummm...I never said he didn't want to raise his limits...we're in agreement on this point.


If Aizen was stronger than Yama, he could've easily done the same thing he did to the room to Yama. Use his hypnotism and be where we are now. Minus Yama and him escaping.


I think Aizen could care less about the strength of the other 12 Captains, including Yama...his only concern is breaking the limits of his own strength in the 4 fields of Shinigami combat.

Aizen gets a big unfair advantage as soon as he unsheaths the sword. Of course the only one able to overcome is blind people (Tousen.) or people who have not completely seen the sword.


People seem to have a problem with the uberness of Aizen's Shikai...It may be a bit cheese, but it's still his Shikai...

Also NEVER, in the anime atleast, was it said that Aizen had actually reached all 4 limits. He just said that they existed, and that there was a method to surpass them. Now you can assume that he has reached every maximum from how powerful he is, but we dont really know.

He never directly states that he has, but he IMPLIES it on several occasions.

For example, when Gin asks Aizen if that really was Destructive Art 90, Aizen replies 'yes, but not even a third of it's power was released'. I don't think he was trying to spare Komamura, it's just that Aizen had reached HIS limit, HIS maximum in the filed of Kidou and that was all he could do.

When he cuts through Ichigo, Aizen says something to the effect of "I was trying to cut him in half". His Zanjutsu was not good enough to cut him in half. He had reached HIS limit, HIS maximum in the field of Zanjutsu.

Here is my top 13 list:

1. Yama
2. Aizen (by a small amount)
3: Ukitake (illnesss aside =P)
4. Shunsui
5. Unohana
6. Ichimaru
7. Soi Fong
8. Kuchiki
9. Hitsugaya
10. Zaraki
11. Komamura
12. Tousen
13. Mayuri

Thats what I think. pick it apart as you will. Not sure on a few of them. like Shunsui/Ukitake, Ichimaru/Soi Fong, and Hitsugaya/Zaraki.

My only problem with the list is that you've got Zaraki too low...:p

My Ranking (if everybody uses his full potential (kenpachi = no bankai))

1.) Aizen Sousuke
2.) Yamamoto
3.) Shunsui
4.) Tousen Kaname
5.) Ukitake
6.) Kenpachi
7.) Ichimaru
8.) Kuchiki Byakuya
9.) Hitsugaya
10.)Soi Fong
11.)Komamura
12.)Kurotsuchi Mayuri
13.)Unohana

What I found very interesting here was the fact that Shunsui got very often rated as the second strongest after Yamamoto. I dunno why alot of people get this idea, but it seems that most of the people here don't trust the "flowers and peace" image, and believe in a serious fighter...

I think Tousen's too high, but other than that I can't really argue the placements...

[Sandal Hat]

How about this list

1.Aizen(he's not a captain anymore but oh well)
2.Yamamoto
3. Shunsui
4. Ukitake - In a fight against Shunsui who has just as much skill as him then his illness will play a big part
5. Byakuya - Master at demon arts, shunpo and zanjutsu
6. Soi Fong (shikai combined with shunko, and then she has bankai as backup)
7. Hitsugaya (his bankai will allow him to defeat Zaraki)
8.Zaraki or Mayuri (mayuri's bankai can poison, might end in tie)
9. Tousen - Will be highly effective against the below captains
10. Sajin - His bankai is just raw strenght
11. Unohana - Like she can heal and attack at the same time. Her shikai is slow and she isn't gonna fight in its belly

Unohana and Gin are not in the list because we haven't seen enough of them

[Z_Blitz]

I concurr with Sandal's list except that I have to point out that Byakuya doesn't present much skill in zanjutsu, but his ranking remains unchanged. I think Gin's somewhere above Byakuya, perhaps even above Ukitake and Shunsui.

[thatbabo]

How about this list

1.Aizen(he's not a captain anymore but oh well)
2.Yamamoto
3. Shunsui
4. Ukitake - In a fight against Shunsui who has just as much skill as him then his illness will play a big part
5. Byakuya - Master at demon arts, shunpo and zanjutsu
6. Soi Fong (shikai combined with shunko, and then she has bankai as backup)
7. Hitsugaya (his bankai will allow him to defeat Zaraki)
8.Zaraki or Mayuri (mayuri's bankai can poison, might end in tie)
9. Tousen - Will be highly effective against the below captains
10. Sajin - His bankai is just raw strenght
11. Unohana - Like she can heal and attack at the same time. Her shikai is slow and she isn't gonna fight in its belly

I'd flip flop Zaraki about Soi Fong, but that's strictly out of personal preference...

Unohana and Gin are not in the list because we haven't seen enough of them

Who's that at number 11...:p

I concurr with Sandal's list except that I have to point out that Byakuya doesn't present much skill in zanjutsu, but his ranking remains unchanged. I think Gin's somewhere above Byakuya, perhaps even above Ukitake and Shunsui.

It's a shame we didn't get to see more of Gin's fighting capabilities...in his only fight (w/Hitsugaya) he seemed more or less disinterested.

[Sandal Hat]

lol, I decided to go back and change my mind Unohana so that's why she's on the list :)

Edit: I doubt we will see what Gin's power truly was since Aizen might turn him into a vaizard.

[Draffut]

Unohana owns. just wait. It'll all come in time. I bet her Bankai is immortality or some jazz. instant heal of any wound taken.

[Ritam]

hmm.....heres a list...in my opinion who the strongest captain is:

1. Yamamoto
2. Aizen
3. Byakuya
4. Ichimaru
5. Tousen
6. Shunsui
7. Sajin
8. Mayuri
9. Soi Fong
10. Ukitake
11. Hitsugaya
12. Unohana
13. Zaraki (i think hes the weakest because he has not achieved Shikai or Bankai)

[Polygon]

hmm.....heres a list...in my opinion who the strongest captain is:

1. Yamamoto
2. Aizen
3. Byakuya
4. Ichimaru
5. Tousen
6. Shunsui
7. Sajin
8. Mayuri
9. Soi Fong
10. Ukitake
11. Hitsugaya
12. Unohana
13. Zaraki (i think hes the weakest because he has not achieved Shikai or Bankai)


The bolded ones are the only ones I agree with. I don't see why you placed Byauya above Utitake and shunsui.

[Sandal Hat]

hmm.....heres a list...in my opinion who the strongest captain is:

1. Yamamoto
2. Aizen
3. Byakuya
4. Ichimaru
5. Tousen
6. Shunsui
7. Sajin
8. Mayuri
9. Soi Fong
10. Ukitake
11. Hitsugaya
12. Unohana
13. Zaraki (i think hes the weakest because he has not achieved Shikai or Bankai)
The bold ones are the ones I agree with.

Zaraki already beat Tousen
omg, you put Sajin over Soi Fong!
Mayuri at 8!
We haven't even seen Ichimaru get serious
Ukitake at 10th?

[teamninja60]

1.aizen/yamamoto
3.shunsui/ukitake
5.byakuya
6.unohana
7.zaraki
8.ichimaru
9.komamura
10.hitsugaya
11.soi fong
12.tousen
13.mayuri

[thatbabo]

1.aizen/yamamoto
3.shunsui/ukitake
5.byakuya
6.unohana
7.zaraki
8.ichimaru
9.komamura
10.hitsugaya
11.soi fong
12.tousen
13.mayuri

Of all the rankings so far, I like this the best...I'd flip flop 7 and 8 though...

[DocInsanity]

1.yamamoto
2.aizen (When he was still a captain)
3.shunsui
4.ukitake
5.byakuya
6.ichimaru (When he was still a captain)
7.Soi Fong
8.Zaraki
9.Hitsugaya
10.Komamaru
11.mayuri
12.tousen (When he was still a captain)
13.unohana

[Sandal Hat]

1.aizen/yamamoto
3.shunsui/ukitake
5.byakuya
6.unohana
7.zaraki
8.ichimaru
9.komamura
10.hitsugaya
11.soi fong
12.tousen
13.mayuri
I don't like this one.

1. Soi Fong would demolish Sajin with her speed and 2 hit k.o. Shikai. No way in hell Sajin gonna keep up with her, that means he would have to be on par with Yoruichi.

2. Ichimaru has a shikai and Bankai advantage over Zaraki

3. Hitsugaya's bankai would enclose Zaraki in a ton of ice

4. Mayuri's bankai would trap of his poison inside of Tousen's bankai

5. Unohana is nothing more than a great healer and she can't heal and protect herself in battle at the same time this is not Final Fantasy

6. Since Tousen's bankai has a greater effect on Sajin because he is not Zaraki and can't take as much hits as he can and Sajin's bankai would be nothing without its senses.

[ttoad]

I agree with him (points up to last piont) you always got to be impartial and factor in all the different zanpak-to abilites, also Sandal-Hat I sent you a PM the other day so please check your inbox and respond.

[Sandal Hat]

Send it again because its not showing up in my In-box

[ttoad]

It has been sent again so if you don't get let me know and I'll just ask you.

[Sandal Hat]

It has been sent again so if you don't get let me know and I'll just ask you.
It still hasn't shown up so you can just ask me here.

[Rabid_Wolverine]

I don't know. It's a tough choice between Byakuya and Hitsugaya. I like Ukitake but I haven't seen him in combat much. I'd say Byakuya.

[thatbabo]

hmm.....heres a list...in my opinion who the strongest captain is:

1. Yamamoto
2. Aizen
3. Byakuya
4. Ichimaru
5. Tousen
6. Shunsui
7. Sajin
8. Mayuri
9. Soi Fong
10. Ukitake
11. Hitsugaya
12. Unohana
13. Zaraki (i think hes the weakest because he has not achieved Shikai or Bankai)

Zaraki lower than Tousen and Sajin is the only real problem I have with the list, after all, he handled both of them with relative ease during their encounter...

1.yamamoto
2.aizen (When he was still a captain)
3.shunsui
4.ukitake
5.byakuya
6.ichimaru (When he was still a captain)
7.Soi Fong
8.Zaraki
9.Hitsugaya
10.Komamaru
11.mayuri
12.tousen (When he was still a captain)
13.unohana

Based on what we've seen, can't really argue with your order of things...

[Kuchiki_Byakuya]

hmm, initially i thought it would be Aizen Sousuke. His bankai is one special one. not to forget Kuchiki Byakuya also. His destructive art form really is too.. wah.. his shikai and bankai is really destructive, as shown in the fight against Renji.. So i think it would be Kuchiki Byakuya for me, Aizen Sousuke 2nd..

hmm.. how come nobody thought of 1st division captain, Yamamoto Genryuusai Shigekuni? lols

[AznPoi]

1.aizen/yamamoto
3.shunsui/unitake(unitake when he was in his prime, he would be last now if he's sick)
5.Soi Fong (Her speed would beat Byakuya since she could keep up with Yoruichi while Byakuya couldn't on the bridge)
6.Byakuya
7.Ichimaru
8.Mayuri (poison gas, can't really get close to him except for Byakuya and Ichimaru who has range in their bankai and shikai)
9.hitsugaya
10.Zaraki(has a hell of a lot more potential than other captains, if he had his shikai he could probably move up a couple)
11.Komamura(he and tousen seem to be at same power level, plus Tousen's bankai is lame, easily dodged. All you have to do is jump away from the bubble and not get caught in it and Komamura known Tousen for most of his life so he knows Tousen's bankai)
12.Unohana (Like Zaraki, she could have super senses, she can probably do the same thing like Zaraki to Tousen)
13.Tousen

[sherenetms]

You mean, Ukitake. Not Unitake. Anyway, my list is somewhat the same with docinsanity. Anyway, if Ukitake isn't sick at the wrong timing, he would be one hell of a fighter-cool guy, love his looks. Yama jii always stays at the top of the list. Unohana isn't bad- but seriously, i don't see how she could ever inflict damage on anyone.

[MVIK]

1. Aizen
2. Yamamoto
3. Shunsui
4. Ukitake
5. Ichimaru
6. Byakuya
7. Zaraki
8.Soi Fong
9. Komamura
10. Hitsugaya
11. Unohana
12. Mayuri
13. Tousen

[Z_Blitz]

My list goes as follows:

1- Yama-ji (Commander of the Gotei 13 with a zanpakutoh that has the highest fire power... Summarizes it all)
2- Aizen (Albeit powerful he is not as strong as Yama-ji... Otherwise he would've killed Yama-ji a long time ago and assumed leadership of the Gotei 13)
3- Shunsui (Complimented by Yama-ji so I'm guessing he's one of the best captains there are)
4- Ukitake (he's only below Shunsui because of his illness)
5- Ichimaru (He seemed to protect himself well against Hitsugaya and his shi kai is lethal... He killed 7 hollows after releasing it once!)
6- Soi Fong (Her speed outmatches all! Besides her shi kai is deadly if she ever hits her opponent at the same spot twice)
7- Byakuya (Good at footwork and seems to have trained quite a bit with his Bankai... Very capable)
8- Hitsugaya (He seemed to try to maintain an equal battle with Gin, but Gin far surpasses him... I think)
9- Zaraki (He took on Tousen and Komamura together... he is strong!)
10- Komamura (I'm guessing he's better than Tousen)
11- Tousen (Super cool bankai, but he can't use it... Perhaps if he did use it in a better manner he would've been on a higher scale)
12- Mayuri (Big bugs with poison emission: Time dependant)
13- Unohona (Nothing much has been shown about her abilities...)

[MooseVW]

1. Yamamoto
2. Aizen
3. Ukitake
4. Shunsui
5. Gin
6. Byakuya
7. Kenpachi
8. Soi Fon
9. Komamura
10. Tousen
11. Hitsugaya
12. Unohana
13. Mayuri

[Aizen Sousuke]

Pure reiatsu
1. Yamamoto
2. Aizen
3. Ukitake
4. Shunsui
5. Zaraki
6. Byakuya
7. Ichimaru
8.Soi Fong
9. Hitsugaya
10. Komamura
11. Unohana
12. Tousen
13. Mayuri

Overall(Speed, demons arts, shikai bankai, reiatsu)
1. Aizen
2. Yamamoto
3. Ukitake
4. Shunsui
5. Byakuya
6. Ichimaru
7.Soi Fong
8. Zaraki
9. Hitsugaya
10. Komamura
11. Unohana
12. Tousen
13. Mayuri

[Dounick]

1.aizen/yamamoto
3.shunsui/unitake(unitake when he was in his prime, he would be last now if he's sick)
5.Soi Fong (Her speed would beat Byakuya since she could keep up with Yoruichi while Byakuya couldn't on the bridge)
6.Byakuya
7.Ichimaru
8.Mayuri (poison gas, can't really get close to him except for Byakuya and Ichimaru who has range in their bankai and shikai)
9.hitsugaya
10.Zaraki(has a hell of a lot more potential than other captains, if he had his shikai he could probably move up a couple)
11.Komamura(he and tousen seem to be at same power level, plus Tousen's bankai is lame, easily dodged. All you have to do is jump away from the bubble and not get caught in it and Komamura known Tousen for most of his life so he knows Tousen's bankai)
12.Unohana (Like Zaraki, she could have super senses, she can probably do the same thing like Zaraki to Tousen)
13.Tousenwhy is tousen last?
Mayuri was beaten by Ishida and ran away..... im only saying that he should be clser to the bottom

[DMC]

I would never do these lists. There way off and captains have other advantages over captains so unless we see all 13 captains battle each single eachother... dont count on me making this "Dream" list.

[tednfs]

i don't like histaguya that much but i won't put him at the bottom
but definitely below gin
why do u all think unohana is weak?
because she is in the 4th squad?
yamamoto's vice captain is suppose to be one of the strongest since he is in the first squad but got beaten by ichigo without a sword
unohana is badass believe me

[Taira]

That Byakuya guy, I believe he is the strongest because he took hardly no effort to defeat Ichigo when he fought with him and Renji didn't do too well against Ichigo. The strongest Squad is the 11th one because a guy on ep 26 said "I'm 5 seat in the 11 squad which is the strongest" so the captian of the 11th squad is the strongest ;). Im going according to the Anime, I haven't read much of the Bleach manga.

The 11th squad captian is Zaraki Kempachi the dude with the eye patch and the hell wiked spikey hair, he is the strongest(I think) ;).
I would have to say Captain Byakuya is the strongest...the power of his soul slayer is amazing. As for Zaraki Zempachi....he definetly has physical and alot of spirit power but since he doesnt even know his soul slayers name I would say thats a major weakness.

[Polygon]

Byakuya isn't even close to being the strongest. There is a huge gap of power between him and the uber strong.

[Hits]

I would have to say Captain Byakuya is the strongest...the power of his soul slayer is amazing. As for Zaraki Zempachi....he definetly has physical and alot of spirit power but since he doesnt even know his soul slayers name I would say thats a major weakness.
Ok, let's make it clear. it is probably impossible for Byakuya and Zaraki to be the strongest, why? Because they have both been defeated by Ichigo. We know there are at least 3 or 4 or more captains and 3 ex-captains that can take on Ichigo with little effort. Yama, Shunsui, Utikate, Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin(Ichigo's dad), and possibly Unohana.

[Kabane]

Lets get this straight YORUICHI IS NOT AN EX CAPTAIN!!!

and Yamato most probably the strongest out of the 10 remaining captains.

[the454casull]

"Lets get this straight YORUICHI IS NOT AN EX CAPTAIN!!!"-Prophecy424

Wrong, Yoruichi was a captain of the division that Soi Fong is the captain of now, then, she left with Urahara, thus making her an EX-captain.

I believe it's stated in the manga somewhere that Yamamoto is the strongest captain, you've also got to remember that he founded the Shinigami Academy so he's trained almost every Captain within the Gotei 13, not to mention the experience factor, he's got them all beat hands down in experience.


P.s:Prophecy424, sorry if I flamed a little bit there, just trying to keep the facts straight.

[captain_soifon]

lol, yoruichi isnt an excpatain, i argued that she was in a thread in the manga section and got owned ^^'', umm in ep 42 near the start byakuya says what she is

[moat]

"Lets get this straight YORUICHI IS NOT AN EX CAPTAIN!!!"-Prophecy424

Wrong, Yoruichi was a captain of the division that Soi Fong is the captain of now, then, she left with Urahara, thus making her an EX-captain.

I believe it's stated in the manga somewhere that Yamamoto is the strongest captain, you've also got to remember that he founded the Shinigami Academy so he's trained almost every Captain within the Gotei 13, not to mention the experience factor, he's got them all beat hands down in experience.


P.s:Prophecy424, sorry if I flamed a little bit there, just trying to keep the facts straight.

i think you and people who think that are abit mistaken. no offense. i can see how it can be mixed up. you see, Soinfon is not only the 2nd Division captain, she's the commander of the special forces(soul society's very own f.b.i.). now, Yoruichi used to be the commander of the special forces, but now Soifon is. Soifon just happens to also be a Captain. when terms like "successor" are used in the anime, they're referring to the rank of commander of that special forces unit. not second division Captain. watch episode 56 closely. all of the history between the two is through Soifon's training(as a member of that special forces unit) to protect Yoruichi due to the fact that she's a part of one of the 4 great noble families.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I wonder what happened to the captains that used to lead Komamura's, Hitsugaya's, Aizen's, Gin's, Tousen's, and Byakuya's squads. Does anyone know if there was ever a war between Hueco Mundo and Soul Society? There definitely was a war between the Quincy and Shinigami though. I'm sure they had captain level induviduals in their ranks who didn't go down without doing some damage. Both of these could explain some of the openings which allowed the captains I mentioned in.

Also, wasn't the giant zanpaku-to they were going to barbecue Rukia with used for executing captains? I guess they've had some evil ones come along. Mayuri is an example of this. Perhaps Yama only tolerates his behavior because they need someone with his skills running 12th division? It would make sense since I'm sure the lack of Urahara probably put a stop to many useful iventions necessary for Shinigami.

[Godfather55]

Aizen he kicked everyones ass

[AznPoi]

why is tousen last?
Mayuri was beaten by Ishida and ran away..... im only saying that he should be clser to the bottom

Why is Tousen last? Look at his bankai, it's lame.
BIG BLACK BUBBLE = STAY THE HELL AWAY
Sure if you're in the bubble then you're pretty much screwed unless you pull a Zaraki. Secondly, most captain are pretty old except for maybe Zaraki seeing that everyone seems to be a captain when Zaraki killed the previous 11th Captain. Therefore, everyone knows what each other's bankai does, UNLESS, they pulled a Aizen and hid its true abilities.

People are underestimating Mayuri. First, he's an evil GENIUS. He knows his enemies before he fights them. Seeing how he pretty much knew everything about Ishida until Ishida pulled the Super Quincy mode which was previously never seen anywhere.
If you think about it his shikai is cheap because it paralyzes the enemy where it cuts.
His bankai is even cheaper, poison gas pretty much everywhere around him. Unless you got range, you are pretty much screwed since you're going to die from the gas. Ishida like almost fainted after like 10 seconds, seeing how he nuked Mayuri's bankai so fast but nevertheless breathed in some gas.
Finally, we never seen the true abilities of Ishida's super quincy mode. All we know is that it's crazy ass strong. I don't believe we ever seen anyone cut through a bankai with one shot.

[Kazuya]

My Opinion is that if Kenpachi learn to control and hear his Zanpakutou he will be the strong