Gay Marriage [Archive]

xekuhz

12-29-2005, 11:00 AM

i;ve just had a debat with my friend about this topic. question is: do you support gay marriage? and it got really intresting when she started to pull out the facts. i do support gay marriage. she did not. she said that gay people choose be to gay, they choose to like men. it was some phychological proven fact or something along thoes lines, something about them having a mental problems. and this whole time i belived in feelings and love? at first i argued that if you happen to love someone with the same sex it didn't matter because it was how you felt, and that you can't help it. but after she said that i started to question her about if gays choose who they love.. then dosent that mean that.. straight people choose who they love? So a guy just CHOOSES any girl he wnats to love? anyone ??? it throws true love right out the window. and if we do choose who we love...then it's still a choice we make. and it's suppose to be a free country right? you can basically do anythign you want as long as it dosen't hurt others. And im pretty sure that if a gay couple got married it wouldn't kill anyone. sure.. the population dosent grow... but hey, orphans get adpoted! and also the world already has enough people in it. yea, i just thought it was intresting so i wanted to know how you guys felt about it. your arguments, your opinions, and your facts. if you support gay marriage or not. please do share.

[ this is off topic but..typo's really suck -_-x i had to go back and edit this 2 times already ="=]

Raku

12-29-2005, 11:02 AM

o.O Having a mental problem because you're gay is wrong, But yes it is mental that some people a gay but no a mental problem o.O;; They're not freaks or anything.

I support em, if people are happy that way then let em

xekuhz

12-29-2005, 11:08 AM

wait so we choose who we like? so if i wanted to like this random stranger i would really start to like him? sorry im a bit confused ><

Raku

12-29-2005, 11:14 AM

In the case of gender it's mentally, Some people get attracted to men, other to women. We don't really have a choice o.O

Hinamori-Chan

12-29-2005, 11:14 AM

I support gays. I mean... What's wrong with loving a person of the same sex?
I actually did a persuasive essay on this in 8th grade. Hah.
This is a good site:
http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm

SLVR

12-29-2005, 11:15 AM

I support gay people haetin maried. cause the cant add to the over populated earth

StefanNL

12-29-2005, 12:33 PM

sure.. the population dosent grow... but hey, orphans get adpoted! and also the world already has enough people in it.
Even that can't be called an argument against gay marriage. Even without the option of marriage, gay couples will excist and they still won't produce offspring. Marriage doesn't matter on that ground.

I don't see a damn point to not support gay marriages. They have just as much right to love some one from the same gender as straight people have to love some one from another gender. Why would that be different when it comes to marriage then? Start treating each other like equals, no matter the differences in lifestyle and likes/dislikes.

Shinigami MK

12-29-2005, 12:52 PM

Ummm, I don't really support it, but im not against gay people either..

So I think it should be allowed. Because gay people have a right, because they're people. o.o

xekuhz

12-29-2005, 01:35 PM

wait soo.. you don't support it.. but you don't mind it? well i guess that makes sense... but why do you not? i just wanted to know what you think

choujiwong

12-29-2005, 03:05 PM

As for me, I don't really support gay marriage. It's coz it's way too weird. Yeah, I know we should let them be if they are happy about it but don't you think it's a bit too abnormal? I meant no offense but I don't really find it good though when a guy and another guy making love. What I mean is it's totally against mother nature. Men and women are created to reproduce new life form. So, I guess liking someone who is the same gender as you does not seem that right. At least, that's what I personally think.

Zattara2222

12-29-2005, 04:14 PM

And a woman making love to a woman aint weird!!! Its ok for the women to be gay but for the males it isnt..... and there are more gay woman than gay males... wut I mean is a gay women is seen as independent and other things but a gay man is seen as a person with lepra.... aint that weird

I support gay marriage cuz honestly I dont care wut they do.

ssjharsh

12-29-2005, 05:22 PM

I do not actively support gay marriages, but I am okay with them (like, if people want them, and there is a vote, I will vote to allow them, but I won't campaign for them). It's all really just society's views on sex and marriage relations. In ancient Greece (and in fuedal Japan) homoeroticism was well-accepted. However, in the western, Christian-moral based society today, it is taboo to even talk about heterosexual sex freely, let alone homosexual sex.

As for it being a choice vs. a mental problem/compulsion, I would say it is the latter, but then again all love is a mental compulsion. You cannot help but have those feelings. Even heterosexual love... you can deny it, but the feelings will remain, regardless. It is really only a matter of if society is willing to accept it.

1 more thing... if anyone wants to be against gay marriages, might I suggest the slippery slope argument (if we let 2 guys/girls get married, what's next.. animals, kids? etc. What else will society come to accept, if we open this door?)

FascionViktem5k

12-29-2005, 10:44 PM

i have nothing against gay marriage... straight ppl can marry.. why not gay ppl? they're not doing anything to bother me... nor are they getting in my way... nor are they hindering my ability to marry my boyfriend if the time were to come.... so why should it be stopped? just cuz some ppl think it's wierd? c'mon... honestly... if that's why.. then.... that's just silly...

teamninja60

12-29-2005, 10:59 PM

i have nothing against gay marriage
personally i find it kind of nasty
but if straight people can get married
i find it unconstitutional to say that gays can't

Epyon94

12-30-2005, 04:39 PM

I suppot Gay marrage, mainly because they are still people and they deserve the same rights and freedoms that straight poeple have.

Tokoyami

12-30-2005, 04:47 PM

I guess thats true, they should have the same rights. But i mean marrige is between a man and woman. I think they need a new term for Holy matrimony for gay people.(and its not even holy matrimony, seeing as gay/homosexuality goes directly against the bible in all cases.)

Akane

12-30-2005, 05:12 PM

Well I'm pretty much Athiest so,
and I have plenty of homosexual friends,
and I WAS ONE.
(keyword, was)
So I support them.

Its a hard life of ridicule and religious people's disappointment in them.
But I support them not only because I was one myself,
but because they're human too.
Just because they have a different sexual orientation doesn't
mean they can't marry.

You'd be taking away the most celebrated day of their lives.
I mean c'mon,
they can't really have kids unless they adopt,
or if they're lesbian they can get a donation from the hospital bank.
Or if they already had a kid from a previous heterosexual marriage or something, and then recently became homosexual.

If we allow it,
we're just giving them the same rights they already had.
(If they were straight)
Not letting them marry because of that is stupid,
it's only because it's a religious view.

And maybe it might be kids and animals.
Who knows?
I mean there are kids who are in 5th AND 6th grade already
having sex.
That's against the Bible isn't?
Having sex before you're married?
I never read it, so I wouldn't know.

They should just let gay marriages be fine.
We should focus more on the newer generations and how corrupt
they're becoming.

Baron

12-30-2005, 05:32 PM

My stance on same sex marriage is if a person wants to marry someone, just let 'em be.

1) It doesn't involve me. It's not my marriage, so I don't really care what they do.
Don't misinterpret that though... I'm happy for people that choose to get married. More power to you.

And most importantly:

2) It isn't a right or wrong issue; it's a matter of preference. Who am I to judge whether a marriage is wrong or right?

I know that this topic here is sensitive for some certain individuals that believe in some certain religion, but in my case, there is nothing in my religion that states that homosexuality and/or same sex religion is "bad." And that's where I stand.

Ssshhh... you hear that? The Randomness thread is calling for me. Gotta go, folks. ;)

tednfs

12-30-2005, 09:59 PM

AH yes the most common argument
It doesn't affect me

sharkskin

12-30-2005, 10:14 PM

Only if they REALLY love each other, same applies to straight.

akin_t

12-30-2005, 10:17 PM

Whether they love each other or not, gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. I have no problems with gays and if they want to spend the rest of thier lives together It doesn't bother me, however, they shouldn't be wedded in matrimony thats just wrong. Marriage is for straight people alone (man and woman)

mooks

12-31-2005, 04:40 AM

all i know is... it is illegal to be gay in my home country. Kenya.

silverwolf801

12-31-2005, 05:10 AM

Look it is like this if your a lesbian I truly don't care I guess it's guy thing but if your gay I don't care as long as you don't try to get gay with me

Rukia chan

12-31-2005, 05:28 AM

I don't have a problem with gay marriges. They should allow it. it's people in love, gay or not. why take that right away. Gay people are humans too. they feel all the emotions straight people feel. they feel anger, fear, sadness, happiness all of those emotions. the only difference is they love someone of the same sex, and there is nothing wrong with that. this is a free country. Gay people should be treated the same as straight people. I have a friend who's gay and don't care about that at all. She is not a freak of nature or anything of the sort. she is a really great person to be a friend with. though my friend didn't tell me she was gay, i accidently found out while reading one of her online journal things. She is afraid to tell her friends because she thinks that they would drop away from her and never want to see her again. I have no clue if any other of her friends know. but like i said, it doesn't matter to me at all. people are all equal to me if they are gay, straight or have a disabllity. There is no such thing as "NORMAL" as i was once told. and that includes ALL people that walk this earth. yes that that even includes the straight people. every one has their own set of "normal" whatever that maybe. to gay people, loving someone of the same sex is their way of "normal" I have know clue why the hell people is against gay couples getting married? I guess this implies to the saying "people fear what they don't understand."(not to offend anyone) But gay people aren't hurting anyone so why not let them get married, ya know.

I know you guys might find this weird and i have know clue where I got this from but, i believe that gay people were once straight lovers in a past life but either the male or felmale was reincarnated into the same sex as their past lover. so say if the gay couple were two felmales, i believe that one of them is was a female in their past life and were reincarnated into a felmale again and the other felmale was a male in their past life and reincarnated into a felmale in their new life. and the same with the male couples. I hope I explained that clearly.

now this is not a religious belief. I am not a religious person was so ever.

akin_t

12-31-2005, 06:04 AM

I don't have a problem with gay marriges. They should allow it. it's people in love, gay or not. why take that right away. Gay people are humans too. they feel all the emotions straight people feel. they feel anger, fear, sadness, happiness all of those emotions. the only difference is they love someone of the same sex, and there is nothing wrong with that. this is a free country.

Alright first off, you don't have to be married before you're in love so your argument about letting them love doesn't hold any water. By not letting them get married, no one is taking away the right to love; after all, we have people in love that aren't married

Gay people should be treated the same as straight people. I have a friend who's gay and don't care about that at all. She is not a freak of nature or anything of the sort. she is a really great person to be a friend with. though my friend didn't tell me she was gay, i accidently found out while reading one of her online journal things. She is afraid to tell her friends because she thinks that they would drop away from her and never want to see her again. I have no clue if any other of her friends know. but like i said, it doesn't matter to me at all. people are all equal to me if they are gay, straight or have a disabllity. There is no such thing as "NORMAL" as i was once told. and that includes ALL people that walk this earth. yes that that even includes the straight people. every one has their own set of "normal" whatever that maybe. to gay people, loving someone of the same sex is their way of "normal" I have know clue why the hell people is against gay couples getting married? I guess this implies to the saying "people fear what they don't understand."(not to offend anyone) But gay people aren't hurting anyone so why not let them get married, ya know.

I'm sorry but marriage is for straight people, there's just no other way you can define marriage besides: The joining of a man and woman in holy matrimony.

I know you guys might find this weird and i have know clue where I got this from but, i believe that gay people were once straight lovers in a past life but either the male or felmale was reincarnated into the same sex as their past lover. so say if the gay couple were two felmales, i believe that one of them is was a female in their past life and were reincarnated into a felmale again and the other felmale was a male in their past life and reincarnated into a felmale in their new life. and the same with the male couples. I hope I explained that clearly. now this is not a religious belief. I am not a religious person was so ever.

Well that's an interesting theory, but it's quite farfetched; don't you think? I mean, I'm not really concerned how gay people came to be and I'm not against them, I just think they have enough rights as it is and giving them marriage (even though it's technically impossible) would be crossing the line. I mean are there no morals anymore? How do you let a child be raised by same sex parents?

HallowDude

12-31-2005, 06:11 AM

gay marragies.. juss isnt straight
somehow i dont know how guys can actually fall for other guys its juss sick this goes for girls also

FascionViktem5k

12-31-2005, 07:14 AM

akin_t

12-31-2005, 07:32 AM

what exactly is wrong with a gay couple raising a child? they are no different than any child brought up by straight parents... and i think having gay couples would be a better idea because they can adopt... which will solve a few problems with abandoned children... and while we're on the subject of "holy matrimony" why are ppl allowed to divorce? wasn't it a sin not too long ago to do that? if couples from different races and religions can marry.. then why not the same sex? what's so different? because like the person of the same sex? whose religion are we supposed to be following? (ps: this country is no longer free... don't say that.. it's a lie... i would know.. i'm an immigrant)

gay people are absolutely no different than straight ppl... gay ppl are allowed to marry under law however i don't think their allowed to marry under church... which is of course obvious... that's the only way gay people can marry now anyway... a lawful marriage.. so there is another word for it... and where does it say it's supposed to be between a man and a woman? (if it's in the bible... don't even bother... that's going into religion... don't go there.. please) if everybody else is allowed to marry.. why shouldn't they? or are we now gonna say "why are ppl of differen races allowed to marry?" "why are ppl of different religions allowed to marry?"... honestly if we talked religion... since i don't have one and my boyfriend does.. i am going to hell under his religion... yet no one objects our relationship... but if he were a she.. then everybody would have a problem! why?! what's the big deal? i don't get it i guess... and Rukia chan... that's an interesting view on how they could have ended up... it's a nice idea..

Well it's kind of late around here so I'll be concise, I would rather be raised in an orphanage or by foster parents than be raised by gay parents. Why? because while they're very young, kids take to everything that thier parents say/believe is right: That's how almost everyone gets thier religion, from the family that they're born into, this applies to a few other things like how racist parents usually raise judgmental children. I'm aware that growing up with gay parents might not neccesarily affect a childs orientation; nevertheless, a child shouldn't be exposed to that level of indecency at such a tender age.

Now you're thing about religion, whether you care to admit it or not, being gay is not normal, or else both women and men would have penises and vaginas (I mean if it's normal to be gay then gays should be able to procreate right?) Moreover, it's just morally wrong. I don't really care for stuff like equality in this scenario; look around you, the world is not fair and it's never going to be, we may try our hardest to acheive equality, but the sad truth is : the world isn't perfect and that's what makes it beautiful. I'm not trying to rule gays out: it's impossible. All I'm saying is that them being socially accepted is enough already, how can we even raise the question of letting them get married?

SLVR

12-31-2005, 07:34 AM

Another I dont care for gays but the steriotype that they need to move to Rhode Island and San Fran, And Florida need to stop cause if it was legalized they can live other place with out bein discriminated

silverwolf801

12-31-2005, 07:39 AM

Gay marriage well I don't care very much for it but I truly don't care because how does gay marriage affect anyones life it doesn't so it doesn't bother me much and lesbian marriage well lets just say i promote that.

Kyouka Suigetsu

12-31-2005, 07:41 AM

I really have no issue with gay marriage. Most people who disagree with it have no real points to begin with. They merely oppose it because of their "beliefs". Well, hate to break it to you, but what you think means nothing. Even considering it an affront to morality is ambigous. Morals are subjective. True, there are some things like the preservation of life, freedom, and belief which are undeniable. To say gay marriage exists in opposition to those things is simply ridiculous. Religion or just personal beliefs are merely ideas. You can't impose something that doesn't exist on other people.

I'm straight by the way.

Akane

12-31-2005, 08:25 AM

And truthfully, the prospect of incest doesn't bother me half as much as the idea of gays.

Why is that?
So you think brothers and sisters should have sex and
all that like?
Inbreed and create disabled children or
have them die?

I have a friend at the age of 15 who got pregnant TWICE
from her father raping HER.
THAT IS DISGUSTING.
He made her get abortions.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LOW THAT IS?
To do that To YOUR OWN CHILD?

Being homosexual isn't wrong.
It's what you believe in and where you are.
AT LEAST, it's the SAME GENDER,
not some RELATIVE.

Like Kyouka said,
what you think,
doesn't really matter.
Morals are morals.
They're humans' view of right and wrong.
It's like, the death sentence, is that right or wrong?
Are we not to take other's lives?
Is it just to take their life because they committed a crime and was caught?
What of the other who have committed such worse sins and
are out there still, left to be sent to death row?
Isn't it "God's" job to decide who dies?
See how religious issues sway your so called morals?

Just because I was one,
isn't why I am saying this.
Ever since I was a kid and knew about homosexuals,
it didn't matter to me.
Discriminating them is just as bad as being racist.
So what if you grow up with the same sex parents?
That will teach you tolerance and endurance for ridicule.
Why not have same sex parents?
I mean, they were 'straight ' before they 'went gay'

Sometimes people don't choose to be gay.
They're just attracted.
There are pretty men out there.
And there is more to a lesbian relationship than guys watching
two females make out.
(I would know, and no, I didn't do anything sexual, get over it)

Or something like their parents getting divorced,
something impacted their lives to make them the way they are.
They're not BORN like that.

akin_t

12-31-2005, 08:45 AM

Homosexuality is not normal, whether it's wrong or not. I've never had a problem with gay people but the act itself is repulsive. Akane your friend was unlucky, but that doesn't make it right for homosexuals to get married. It's impossible to convince anyone since there really isn't any good or bad but just perspective and opinion. Nevertheless, I still stand by saying that Homosexuality is very immoral and IMO it's the epitome of the word.

jagged

12-31-2005, 08:55 AM

Marriage is a religious. It was created to make a binding contract with god that you are husband and wife. Not husband and husband. Its towards god religiously. So what they do with male to male or female to female is a PARTNERSHIP aka same thing with different benifits ( mostly better ones ). This is just a legal contract saying you are both partners and you wish to share your lives together giving you benifits from you government same as marriage.

Marriage is a religious belief people not morality its against what they believe in when you say male and male can marry.

Now what I believe doesnt really matter because I dont care. Its not on my top ten list of worries.

Akane

12-31-2005, 08:57 AM

Well I don't think it's immoral.
I have my morals.
And I don't discriminate those who have different sexual orientations.
One, because I'm going to be a teacher.
I can't just say being homosexual is bad.
It doesn't hurt me, and it's not really hurting anyone.

No, what will bring destruction upon the world,
as I said before,
are the future generations who think highly of themselves
and act older than they are.
I'm talking about the children of tomorrow.
The ones out having sex, now T__T

The only thing I see bad about being homosexual,
you're rumored to be diseased if you have 'sex' with your partner.
Then again, you can get STDs even if you're not homosexual.
Everyone has their beliefs,
but I will stand by mine.

*EDIT*

Just because being "married" is under God,
I mean, what about those crappy weddings in Vegas or something?
or those celebrity weddings?
Those are fake and don't last long at all.
They should be able to be together legally and under some oath thing
because obviously,
under matrimony or however it goes with the God thing,
it 'can't apply' to them.

FascionViktem5k

12-31-2005, 09:16 AM

you know... if straight people can get married and live horrible lives than so should gay ppl.. why should straight ppl be the only ones to suffer marriage? let's take that perspective... they should have the chance to get cheated on and killed for jealousy and blah blah.. just like normal straight married couples.. i know.. this is quite humorous.. but i assure you... well .. it is... but think about it... most domestic violence deals with male and female partners... (notice how i'm not saying which one is being abused more.. because they are both abused.. yes boys and girls.. females can abuse males! OMG! stop the radio!!! yes... it's true...moving on)

i think gay people have every right that straight people have... if interracial marriage isn't frowned upon and interreligious marriage is not frowned upon... than so shouldn't this... what exactly is the point? and besides.. Bonobo monkeys have sex with each other all the time... yes.. even the males with the males and the females with the females... so it's not that unnatural... of course they do it so that their little clan thing can bond more.. but.. then again.. gay people do it to bond as well! (and that whole it's not ok for men but it's cool for women thing... stop that... that's discrimination of about two different forms.. and you come off as a bit of a jerk by saying that.. well to me at least.. only an opinion... i'm not saying you are one.. just saying what you come off as by saying that... no offence or anything)

Silfrsyn

12-31-2005, 09:19 AM

I don't mind any type marriage, because I believe if you truely love someone and want to be with them, and are comfortable with being with them for a long time, then go ahead.

Purokku-kun

12-31-2005, 09:21 AM

Very well said, Fascion.

If straight people can commit to each other, and signify their bond with a union, why not gays?

And also, from a legal point of view, when it comes to things like inheritance, or powers of attorney, or signing form in hospital etc., it seems to be a very good idea.

Aside from that, I support most of what FascionViktem said.

Though I also think the term "marriage" shouldn't apply in this case - in the UK, they're known as Civil Partnerships.

Kyouka Suigetsu

12-31-2005, 09:26 AM

I have a friend at the age of 15 who got pregnant TWICE
from her father raping HER.
THAT IS DISGUSTING.
He made her get abortions.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LOW THAT IS?
To do that To YOUR OWN CHILD?

Wow, that completely disgusts me. I hate rapists, child mollesters, and just people who manipulate others for sexual satisfaction. The first two I would have tortured no questions asked after a lengthy process determined their role in the act completely. Then I would have them brutally executed publically as an example to the other trash out there. Garbage thrives on society's understanding. I say "why not treat them like what they are?" Trash is disposed of without a second thought. It should be the same way with such people.

FascionViktem5k

12-31-2005, 09:26 AM

Though I also think the term "marriage" shouldn't apply in this case - in the UK, they're known as Civil Partnerships.

i think that's sort of what they call it in the states as well.. well.. the states that it is legal in.. because in some of them it's not.. they have to go to like California and crap to do it... i think they use Civil Bond.. or something... maybe even Lawful Marriage? i dunno... i should look more into it though...

akin_t

12-31-2005, 11:09 AM

i think that's sort of what they call it in the states as well.. well.. the states that it is legal in.. because in some of them it's not.. they have to go to like California and crap to do it... i think they use Civil Bond.. or something... maybe even Lawful Marriage? i dunno... i should look more into it though...

No, it's called marriage I believe. Who said anything about it being alright for lesbians to get married? Lesbians are homosexuals and aren't excused from what I'm saying.

This isn't even a religious thing anymore, whats next? humans marrying animals? in the name of love? For the love of cake it just isn't right, it wasn't meant to be. Humans think they're too knowledgable now, and I think thats the problem. Don't get me wrong, I am completely indifferent to gay people, but what I will not agree with is that it's discrimination on thier part denying them marriage.

If a gay couple wants to settle down together ... hey! more grease to thier elbows, I just don't think that they should be lawfully recognized as a couple, It brings about a whole new leglislation. It's the truth, the same rules that apply to straight marriages if there's a dispute cannot be used in gay marriages.

And how would you even subject orphan children to that sort of thing? just because their birth parents are deceased or abandoned them doesn't mean they have to go through with having gay parents. I mean it would be very unfair to just give a child away to be raised by 2 women or 2 men who are supposedly lovers. It's just not right, this whole equality thing just doesn't hold when it comes to homosexuality, I may come off as being arrogant, if so bear with me I'm just trying to get my point across.

Alot of people just say: "they don't bother me, let them be" in fear of looking judgmental; look, there's nothing wrong in standing up for what you believe in. If someone doesn't like you because you're not for homosexuality ... hey! welcome to the real world, it isn't milk and buttered cookies, you can't please everyone. homosexuality is just as bad as a public display of beastialty IMO, the two just weren't meant to be; then again, the world has lost all it's morals in the name of equality (Get real people, there's no such thing as equality, there never was, there never will be)

FascionViktem5k

12-31-2005, 10:43 PM

this is toward akin.. so things don't get confused...
someone actually was saying that it's alright for two girls... i don't know who it was but i remember reading it a few pages back.. that's who i was talking to... ppl like that need to not talk because their point comes across as retarted... now then... back to marriage... i didn't know it was called marriage.. i'm not really up on the news and crap i thought it was called something like a Civil Bond.. oh well.. my bad...

and why exactly would that be torturous to the child? being raised by gay parents... what is so torturous about it? what if the child is happy with two mommies or two daddies? i mean granted that other children will probably make fun of the child once they realize who the parents are... but everybody deals with some form of verbal abuse from class mates... i just don't see what's so wrong about being gay... if Bonobo monkeys do it why shouldn't we? (i made the Bonobo monkey parallel a while back... i don't remember where though..) Bonobo's have sex and kiss and do all that good stuff with eachother... even the males with the males and the females with the females... at least i think it was Bonobo's... i could be wrong on which monkey it was... darn this forgetful mind of mine!!! and i see where your point is.. it's unnatural... there's something wrong... for example my mom thinks that there is something mentally wrong with gay ppl and that's why their gay... watever man.. think what you think is right.. i just don't see why they can't be allowed some kind of legal bond that allows them to be seen as a couple in societies eyes.. they could just be a Civil Bond... or something.. life time partners.. it doesn't have to be called marriage... straight people sometimes never get married and are seen as life time partners.. why not gay people? i'm just wondering what's so wrong with that? ok i understand that whole marriage is between a man and a woman... alright i'll give you that.. even my mom says that.. (although i don't think so but whatever.. for arguments sake..) why not at least give them some form of partnership?

xekuhz

01-01-2006, 02:05 AM

FascionViktem5k

01-01-2006, 06:31 AM

that whole genetic thing.. perhaps we could look it up on the internet.. or i could ask my dad.. he reads all kinds of scientific articles... cuz that's what he does all day at work.. because this country won't allow him to teach because he was educated in another country... but that's different... i'll ask.. maybe.. i dunno... happy new year! well... for the US anyway...

Shinigami_Josh

01-01-2006, 11:32 AM

a random question just poped in my head while reading... but does being gay have anything to do with your genetic structure? like if your a guy and somehow you have more of a girl genetic structure or whatever.. an dit makes you more girly therefore you're somehow also attracted to men? or is being gay just on how society and people they're influenced by affteced them?
I saw a thing on this the fetus get i think around 3 hits of sex hormone (oestrogen/testosterone) 2 decide the body type 1 the brain 'settings' (as to how they think and what parts of their brain gets switched on(skills kinda like most guys and some girls being able to visulise complex 3D shape in their minds skill with languages(female)) this also leads about to one's sexual preference(ie. hetro, homo, tran, bi, pan(they all are real but i think tran may fit in pan))

on with the marage thing it comes down not only to a matter of love but of legality with say insurance, deaths and whatnot this it what it comes down to its not like these people are going to have kids and abuse them (you dont need a marage for this but..) there is also the veiw of peoples rights (every one is equal before the state and the law).

Akane

01-01-2006, 01:04 PM

Like Josh said,
rarely it's genetics.
It also depends on how youwere brought up.
Sometimes it can go wrong during birth.
You're a fetus,
all men, yes all men start out as women.
I hope you all knew that.
Like Josh stated,
there's a switch
for Estrogen and Testosterone.
Sometimes it won't make a full switch.

THEREFORE
if that is the case,
they CAN'T HELP IT.

And sorry about the rant earlier.
Just when people think homosexuality is so wrong
gets to me.
I'm not all up for incest,
but according to the Bible,
aren't we apart of incest anyways?

But why not just give them a legal document saying their life partners?
It's only freaky if you're homophobic.
They should have a document.
They're still human.
If they're not going to let it through,
they should just say gays can't vote while they're at it.
Because from the way I look at it,
having homosexual couples only really bother insanely religious groups / followers.
I mean, why else would you think it's "un natural?"
I grew up with tolerance so I still question why some African Americans
refuse their sons and daughters to marry cauasians.

I don't see what's so wrong about giving them a legal document
saying they're partners.
They're not hurting anyone.
They're not creating a mass conversion of straights into gays.
They're not doing anything but freedom of expression.
They are proud for who they are and could careless what others have to say.

Unless they're just now experiencing it
and are insecure about themselves.

DaveManDave

01-01-2006, 02:43 PM

To me it seems unfair that just because the majority of the government is christian and therefore dont support gay marriage. like Akane said theyre not hurting anyone,

akin_t

01-01-2006, 04:12 PM

...I mean, why else would you think it's "un natural?"
I grew up with tolerance so I still question why some African Americans
refuse their sons and daughters to marry cauasians.

Akane ... do you really want to tell me that you think that's the way the world was meant to be? Men being with men and women with women? For the love of cake, you don't even have to be religious to know that homosexuality is un-natural.

Inter-racial marriages aren't wrong at all, I mean marriage is the joining of a man and woman in matrimony disregarding skin color, and I didn't know african americans didn't like thier children being wed to caucasians, if anything I thought it was the other way around.

Shinigami_Josh

01-01-2006, 04:36 PM

For the love of cake, you don't even have to be religious to know that homosexuality is un-natural.
The fact that it happened at all proves that it is natural, look at some of the oldest cultures in the world like mesoppotamia rome hell a fair part of asia too were the love between a man and another man or a woman and another woman was tolerated and didnt even get a second glace. were do you think we got the word 'bugger' from lets give you a hint its what 2 male warriors did. you mention that you dont even have to be religious to know that it is wrong yet that in its self came about from religion, how is it unatural? why should we care what these same sex pairings do behind closed doors dose it really affect us that much?

akin_t

01-01-2006, 04:42 PM

Well I'm aware that there were homosexuals in Mesopotamia and Persia back in the day, and I'm not going to berate gays even though I think it's not natural, all I'm saying is that legalizing gay marriage wouldn't be right (see my post on the previous page for the reasons)

Shinigami_Josh

01-01-2006, 05:00 PM

Just because we havent reached equality dos not mean we should not strive for it for it, it is an ideal for the beterment(i know its not a real word, i think) of mankind i dont see how having gay marriages will effect the world in such a terrible way (unless you are really homophobic) and regardless of wether it is nature or nurture that influences wether you are or are not gay as i have a few gay relitives the were "girly/manly" long before the nuture thing would have kicked in (i am not saying that it dosnt have an effect on it) and due to this how will having same sex parents and the sexuality of the child?

FascionViktem5k

01-01-2006, 09:53 PM

has anyone even bothered reading my post about the Bonobo Monkeys? anyone? anyone? i see not... it's not that unnatural if wildlife creatures are doing it! why should we say it's unnatural when ... not even our own species does it... being gay i mean... what is so wrong with giving gay people the opportunity to legalize their bond with one another? because that's all they'd be doing... legalizing it.. so that in the eyes of the law they can be seen as partners... i guess no one care's about the monkeys...

Shaehl

01-02-2006, 02:51 AM

The way I see it, homosexuals cannot marry eachother, because then it wouldn't be marriage. I won't get into a debate over whether or not homosexuality is wrong, but why can't they just name it something else? I don't see why we should redefine such an ancient and important institution as marriage, all for the sake of some sexual deviants. Give them the rights and benefits, I don't care, but call it something else.

Really, gays say they want to "fit in" and be accepted, yet they go so far as to create their own distinctly different sub-culture that they never hesitate to make blatantly obvious. You can say that homosexuality is genetic (even though it isn't), but somehow I highly doubt dressing in drag and talking with a lisp is. I say, give homosexuals their own legally binding union. They even hold parades to show that they have a right to be "different", so let them be.

Shinigami_Josh

01-02-2006, 03:56 AM

They even hold parades to show that they have a right to be "different", so let them be.
Well your in america so you probaly dont know but they do have a parade to show what they do its called the "Sydney gay and lesbian mardi gras" and as said
What about the Bonobo Monkeys?
and as i said before gentetics plays a part this dosnt mean we should pitty them for it as some do and as with the monkeys were not the only ones(species wise) who do it so how unnatural can it be?

tednfs

01-02-2006, 04:00 AM

a question for anyone wishing to answer
Why must gay people blantly parade for themselves? We don't see other minorities doing it, so why do people consider them special
I'm fat and I'm proud is quite a ridiculous statement

tednfs

01-02-2006, 04:29 AM

Mighty disk stealer 7...i feel ya
i've heard the argument about humans too and that they are too concensual adults..so on and so forth
Good to see someone else shares this

akin_t

01-02-2006, 05:54 AM

Well as for bonobo monkeys .... come on, do we really wanna compare ourselves to monkeys? Just because an animal has a certain kind of behavior does not make it natural for humans to engage in it. I mean ... anyone should know that ...

tednfs

01-02-2006, 06:01 AM

Sadly some don't
But the good thing is we do

captain_soifon

01-02-2006, 06:04 AM

im completely against gay marraige, it is wrong for the reasons stated by akin_t

sparrowhawk

01-02-2006, 07:14 AM

I'm for gay marriage because of overpopulation. However, fundamentaly I'm against judeo-christian ideal of marriage in general because I'm Buddhist.

FascionViktem5k

01-02-2006, 07:54 AM

ok fine.. we won't compare ourselve to monkeys.. although it's quite disturbing looking at them doing their thing.. (documentaries hide nothing! i'm scarred!!) and allright they parade ... but what about the ones who don't parade? who hide themselves because they've been taught that what they feel is wrong and sinful and blah blah.. and even if they don't hide not all of them parade.. they're gay and proud but don't parade.. i mean... i'm straight, female, Bulgarian and quite proud.. i don't parade (even if there were parades i still wouldn't do it.. that's just creepy) parades are mainly for capitalist purposes.. they get money out of it.. so do they really count? and even if we do consider them seriously... we're going to label the entire gay society as "freaks who know they're freaks and proud of it" because of what a few hundred ppl are doing? the KKK is still alive.. am i going to label the entire white population because of what they think and say? of course not! (and yes.. the KKK has parades as well)... many ppl who are gay don't look at it as "i'm gay and proud of it" .. they see it as who they fell in love with... we just give these sexual preferences words to classify eachother in groups to make it easier for the capitalist government to work better in each group.. and i do agree with Shaehl.. that it should at least be given a different word instead of Marriage.. Civil Union? Lawful Bond? let them decide... but since so many ppl pair marriage with "man and woman" then we could change the word...

Pipp-ORK

01-02-2006, 08:03 AM

I'm not exactly AGAINST homosexuality, but I can't say I'm for it, either. Although, if you were actually content with the way you were, why feel the need to parade about it? :eek13: If you're actually proud of yourself, then you'd have nothing to prove, right?

Shinigami_Josh

01-02-2006, 08:47 AM

The whole monkey thing comes down to the genectics side as there is a 2.5%ish difference between them and us

akin_t

01-02-2006, 08:53 AM

Homosexuality has nothing to do with genetics, I don't know what you've heard, but you're misinformed. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with genetics at all, gene's only determine characteristics such as physical appearance, inheritance of diseases and similar traits, and that is all.

Tami

01-02-2006, 09:05 AM

If a woman can marry a dolphin (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1136155809453&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724), why can't two consenting humans?

akin_t

01-02-2006, 09:16 AM

While she acknowledged the "wedding" had no legal bearing she did say it reflected her deep feelings toward the bottlenosed, 35-year-old object of her affection.

Well that peice right there tells us that the state doesn't recognize them as a couple, and that is all we need to know.

On a side note though, all I can say is ... she needs to get laid ASAP

Tami

01-02-2006, 09:18 AM

While she acknowledged the "wedding" had no legal bearing she did say it reflected her deep feelings toward the bottlenosed, 35-year-old object of her affection.
__________________________________________________ _________________________

Well that peice right there tells us that the state doesn't recognize them as a couple, and that is all we need to know.
Can I ask you why you care so much about what other people do?

akin_t

01-02-2006, 09:27 AM

Tami

01-02-2006, 09:36 AM

Well, I wouldn't say I care. I mean if they stop gay people from getting married that doesn't mean there won't be any gay people anymore.

The problem really is that the world believes too much in this "freedom" of a thing. I mean you can't have your way all the time, it's childish to think so. Tami, marriage is an age old tradition; for the love of cake, why should we disregard it just because some people want to have thier way? things don't work out like that and they never will.
But just because something is age old, doesn't mean that it shouldn't adapt and evolve. It's not being disregarded, it's being amended.

In my opinion, they should make all unions (for legal benefits) under the eyes of the government civil unions, and leave marriages to the religious institutions.

akin_t

01-02-2006, 09:53 AM

Tami

01-02-2006, 10:07 AM

Alright ... would you like to be raised by two men? Well neither does the orphan that is up for adoption. Gay people can have relationships for all I care; However, letting them start a family would be detrimental. It isn't natural, what if everyone was gay? (I know it's unlikely, but I need to make a point) They get married, adopt kids, then what next? how will we procreate? The world's population maybe really high but still we need to procreate. Gay people can't procreate, they don't want to, so why let them start a family?

Tami, homosexual marriages wouldn't do the world any good. I'll drop my religious beliefs since you mention legal benefits. Homosexuals have a price to pay for being gay, very much the same way black people have a price to pay for being black. Neither group has deserved to be treated the way they are, but nonetheless people still chastize gays and people have blind fear of the stereotype black person. That's because not everyone is equal; equality does not exist, and we cannot throw away our morals, the very same morals that brought us civility, in the name of something as transient as "equality", I mean there's no equality in the world, we may strive for it, but we all know that it'll never come, because of different perspectives and opinions. Gay people should suck it up IMO and deal with it.

Well, if I were living in an orphanage waiting to be adopted, I'd be happy to get any loving safe home I could, and I would be grateful to my parents that adopted me, no matter what gender they are.

Just because a child has two gay parents, doesn't mean that that child will be gay. Straight doesn't begat straight, gay shouldn't begat gay.

It's not a question of morality, different people have different morals. This civility was not built on one set of morals, and it shouldn't be governed by one.

There's nothing wrong with striving for equality. If anything, allowing the world to remain so grossly unequal is immoral

akin_t

01-02-2006, 10:29 AM

Well, if I were living in an orphanage waiting to be adopted, I'd be happy to get any loving safe home I could, and I would be grateful to my parents that adopted me, no matter what gender they are.

Just because a child has two gay parents, doesn't mean that that child will be gay. Straight doesn't begat straight, gay shouldn't begat gay.

That's obvious; it's the impression the child would get from his/her parents that would be detrimental to society, that impression being the child would assume it's natural to be gay. Which is very important as children would start to have a whole new set of morals, and they would fail to see what is wrong with homosexuality.

It's not a question of morality, different people have different morals. This civility was not built on one set of morals, and it shouldn't be governed by one.

There's nothing wrong with striving for equality. If anything, allowing the world to remain so grossly unequal is immoral

The world isn't governed by anything anymore, people do whatever they want, I mean we can't call ourselves civilized when we have videos of women having sex with animals on the internet, or have men who rape 9 year old girls, or think going into war is the only solution to problems when passive communication hasn't even taken place. I know people have different morals, tell me whose morals uphold the acts above? In essence Tami, we all know right from wrong, and thats what this is all about. We can strive for civility and equality, but chances are we'll fail to achieve equality. people may all know what right and wrong is, but beliefs (like mine and yours) vary from person to person, and as long as legislature (legislature is the branch of government that sets rules and laws) is controlled by someone who takes to a certain belief, people with other beliefs would suffer for it, hence why equality is impossible. Don't get me wrong it would be nice to have equality, but I'm not even going to try to butter this up - it's impossible for the world to attain equality, that's just the sad truth.

So there's no point allowing gay people get married, if they want kids, they should make thier own. Allowing them get married isn't even going to be the first step to acheive equality, we have far more serious issues than some homosexuals complaining that they cannot get married.

Hits

01-02-2006, 11:11 AM

I'm actually not 100% for it simply because of capitalist reasons. If two people truly love each other, what good does a legal bond do? Nothing. You don't have to be legally married to adopt right? And sadly, I would think that agencies would rather give a baby to a single parent then gay parents. The controversies with gay marriages is simply a product of our people and their government's overactive thinking that there are mcuh more prejudice against miniorities then there really are. Seriously, if you have time to talk about a silly little contract that really means nothing, you have too much time on your hands. Go get laid. :P

Shinigami_Josh

01-02-2006, 11:18 AM

So there's no point allowing gay people get married, if they want kids, they should make thier own. Allowing them get married isn't even going to be the first step to acheive equality, we have far more serious issues than some homosexuals complaining that they cannot get married.
lets see so your main point against this is them adopting what is your view on the whole 'rights' of a partner ex. bank accounts, estate, life insurance, ect. ? as there can allways be a compromise a lot of the gay people who are pushing this through are for these reasons.
And what would be more detrimental: being raised by homosexuals or being raised by abusive parents being abused both mentaly and physicaly being called gay if you arent being all macho and 'manly' ?

Tami

01-02-2006, 11:22 AM

That's obvious; it's the impression the child would get from his/her parents that would be detrimental to society, that impression being the child would assume it's natural to be gay. Which is very important as children would start to have a whole new set of morals, and they would fail to see what is wrong with homosexuality.

I'm sorry, I don't see anything wrong with homosexuality, and I don't see anything wrong with kids growing up thinking homosexuality is okay. It is natural to be gay, all throughout history and all across the world there have been gay people (ancient Rome and ancient Japan come to mind).

The world isn't governed by anything anymore, people do whatever they want, I mean we can't call ourselves civilized when we have videos of women having sex with animals on the internet, or have men who rape 9 year old girls, or think going into war is the only solution to problems when passive communication hasn't even taken place. I know people have different morals, tell me whose morals uphold the acts above? In essence Tami, we all know right from wrong, and thats what this is all about. We can strive for civility and equality, but chances are we'll fail to achieve equality. people may all know what right and wrong is, but beliefs (like mine and yours) vary from person to person, and as long as legislature (legislature is the branch of government that sets rules and laws) is controlled by someone who takes to a certain belief, people with other beliefs would suffer for it, hence why equality is impossible. Don't get me wrong it would be nice to have equality, but I'm not even going to try to butter this up - it's impossible for the world to attain equality, that's just the sad truth.

The world has never been governed by anything then, because there have always been men raping 9 year old girls and boys. I don't believe you're comparing homosexuality to rape or bestiality (both of which are non-consensual). I think equality is possible, because I haven't really heard a valid reason for you're condemning gay marriage, other than it is an age old tradition, and your religion teaches that it's wrong. Belief should have very little to do with making laws, I know that's not the case, but ideally, it should be fairness, and justness that dictates the law. You shouldn't use a belief to prevent someone from having something that is fair. Forgive me, but I'm Shinto/Buddhist, and we're really quite accepting of homosexuality and transgenders.

So there's no point allowing gay people get married, if they want kids, they should make thier own. Allowing them get married isn't even going to be the first step to acheive equality, we have far more serious issues than some homosexuals complaining that they cannot get married.
Who's saying all of them want kids? Who even brought kids up? I know I didn't. That's a completely different debate. They can't make their own, they wouldn't be homosexual then :rolleye09 , but that's not even saying they want them in the first place, and if they do and they can provide a good home for the child then why not? The child may grow up to be morally corrupt by your standards, but certainly not by everybody's, and as long as it can function properly in society and isn't harming others then who cares?

It's only an issue because people are trying to stop them. It wouldn't be taking up time and energy if people weren't fighting for it and against it. It's about love, and for that love to be recognized to some people, and people will fight until they die for love.

There's no point at all in continuing this. Neither one of us is going to change our opinions. We're at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to our opinions, so let's just agree to disagree.

FascionViktem5k

01-02-2006, 07:50 PM

what if some gay people wanted kids? like they thought they would meet Mr.Right or Mrs. Right and they would marry and have kids and blah blah.. but instead they meet someone of the same gender that they love all the same... they should change the fact that they wanted kids because they can't have them? you can't help who you love! trust me! you can't choose what gender you love or what race you love or what religion you love.... it just happens... if it's so unnatural it wouldn't have existed way before we have... and it has existed that long so perhaps it isn't that unnatural... but still if they wanted kids before they went into a gay relationship why should they not have kids? i think it'll give the children tolerance for others who are different... it'll teach them to be more accepting... it won't teach them to be gay... many gay couples who have children always teach their children what being gay is and that it's different from everybody else... they don't teach their children that "everybody is like this and it's ok" not at all... either way i still just don't see what is so wrong with being gay and why they shouldn't be seen as partners in the the eyes of the law... but that's just me..

Aragami

01-02-2006, 08:08 PM

If you believe things like such "just happen" you are very jaded my friend. Love is not up to chance. Love is up to chance, choices, and preference. The chance part is only relevant when the question of a lasting relationship is up.

Now, as far as the gay marriage and children, it would not be a good thing. I'm not saying it can't work, just that it isn't a constructive consideration OR action. A child needs a mother and a father, as defined by law. Said law holds weight in marriage, gay or not, simply because in america, marriage is not a privilege nor a right. It is only a tax bracket. For instance, in gay marriage, only one of the parents can claim the child, and the usual claim until age 24 thing doesn't apply. You can only claim them until they are 18.

Aka

01-02-2006, 08:40 PM

well, I don't have a prob with the Gay mariage.

if 2 people (man and woman yes) love each other, why shouldn'T they marry.
all thatz contra agruments don'T convict me.
it's just liek the thing: my dad doesn't want me to marry you Mary-Ann.... bla bla this stuff you know all from the TV.

but thats only my opinion, and your opnion is your opinion ^^

akin_t

01-02-2006, 08:45 PM

I'm sorry, I don't see anything wrong with homosexuality, and I don't see anything wrong with kids growing up thinking homosexuality is okay. It is natural to be gay, all throughout history and all across the world there have been gay people (ancient Rome and ancient Japan come to mind).

You don't see anything wrong with kids thinking homosexuality is okay? Well thats where we're different, since I do. The fact that something has been going on for a long time doesn't make it natural ... I mean ... you should know that.

Natural is when something is meant to be. Earlier, Fascion mentioned bonobo monekys, saying it was natural for them to be homosexual, truth is bonobos just practice homosexuality without love or thinking of settling down. (it's a behaviour to calm them down, and they're indiscriminate), moreover, they still mate with the opposite sex.

The world has never been governed by anything then, because there have always been men raping 9 year old girls and boys. I don't believe you're comparing homosexuality to rape or bestiality (both of which are non-consensual). I think equality is possible, because I haven't really heard a valid reason for you're condemning gay marriage, other than it is an age old tradition, and your religion teaches that it's wrong. Belief should have very little to do with making laws, I know that's not the case, but ideally, it should be fairness, and justness that dictates the law. You shouldn't use a belief to prevent someone from having something that is fair.

Well I told you it was the sad truth didn't I? Equality is just some ideal we'll never see, it's sad, but thats the way it's going to be.

Forgive me, but I'm Shinto/Buddhist, and we're really quite accepting of homosexuality and transgenders.

Sure, you're merely defending what you believe in, as am I, and I understand that.

Who's saying all of them want kids? Who even brought kids up? I know I didn't. That's a completely different debate. They can't make their own, they wouldn't be homosexual then :rolleye09 , but that's not even saying they want them in the first place, and if they do and they can provide a good home for the child then why not? The child may grow up to be morally corrupt by your standards, but certainly not by everybody's, and as long as it can function properly in society and isn't harming others then who cares?

Alright then. If they don't want kids then why aren't they satisfied with just having thier private relationships? Why do they want to be recognized as a legal couple so badly? They want to stand out, and when people chastize them for it they complain, I mean it's the price to pay for wanting to stand out so much, so they should deal with it. Mind you, many gay couples do want kids, many of them want to start families, You said it yourself, they are humans and they only differ from us in thier sexual orientation. If they want families then they should start thier own, why do they want other people's children? I mean that's selfish, it's not like they're sterile, they're capable of reproducing children they just choose not to. I know this isn't about children, but once gay couples are allowed to get married, that is the next thing they'll start fighting for.

Well I know people would prefer staright parents than gay parents, not everyone might but majority wins the vote. Now children being corrupted is obviously perspective but besides that, It's just unfair to a child to give him/her to be raised by gay parents when he/she could have normal ones instead. Tami, good gay parents just can't raise a child the way a good straight couple will (there are things a woman has to do for a child that 2 men can't and vice versa, I mean women can't breats feed if they're not pregnant or nursing and breast milk is very vital to a child's growth). There are things that children shouldn't even be bothered with at such young ages and homosexuality happens to be one of those things

It's only an issue because people are trying to stop them. It wouldn't be taking up time and energy if people weren't fighting for it and against it. It's about love, and for that love to be recognized to some people, and people will fight until they die for love.

There's no point at all in continuing this. Neither one of us is going to change our opinions. We're at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to our opinions, so let's just agree to disagree.

This isn't a romantic movie, people don't die for love in reality ... they move on. It's not about stopping them, I mean we can't stop them, whether they're allowed to marry or not would not change thier orientation; and frankly, I'm not concerned. I mean if people have homosexual intercourse, it's just as bad as lieing or stealing in the christian faith. I'm not saying I'm holier than anyone. I mean I don't have anything against people having sex with the same gender since it's just as bad as telling a lie. I'm saying they shouldn't get married for the reasons I have repeated over in this thread.

FascionViktem5k

01-02-2006, 09:49 PM

akin_t

01-02-2006, 10:08 PM

you know.. i think i see akin's point a little bit clearer now... i see where your coming from and i understand .. but i just don't agree.. ok let's say they shouldn't be allowed to adopt.. they have children from another marriage and now their gay... that could work... but whatever.. and i see that some people don't like the idea of their bond being called a marriage... so why not just call it something else? even straight couples don't get married but when they're together they're called like a partner or something.. the law sees them as a couple.. so why not just give something like that to the gay couple? that's all... i know the world isn't made of cotton candy and suger and fluffy stuffed animals... but we could still try and work towards some type of equality... at least that much! or it could just be me... oh well..

Well if someone has a kid from a previous marriage and chooses to have a gay partner and have a family with his/her kid and partner. Then it wouldn't be as bad. I mean the child (I'm talking children 8+ ) would have learnt to love thier parent, they would know that something isn't exactly right when they see their parent with his/her partner, but nonetheless the child would tolerate it (I know I would); I mean homosexuality is just a behaviour that is as bad as lieing as I've mentioned earlier and It's fine so long the child knows that his or her parent's behaviour is not right.

Now we all know children vary, if someone has a 1 year old and then gets a gay partner to settle down with, that's when it won't be right IMO. The child shouldn't have to grow up thinking that the world says it's alright to be gay. I mean we all trusted our parents when we were little and thats where most, if not all, of us even got our religion and our way of judging right from wrong. We believed our parents were always right when we were little, and gay parents would infact just brainwash kids, although not intentionally, into thinking that it's perfectly alright to be gay and that the whole world accepts it - a point the child may painfully come to realize isn't so later on.

That being said, there are far more serious issues with the world that we need to amend to acheive equality. If we were to make a list, the equality of homosexual and heterosexual persons wouldn't exactly be in first place.

I admire you guys for striving so hard to acheive equality though, good luck with it :)

FascionViktem5k

01-02-2006, 10:23 PM

I admire you guys for striving so hard to acheive equality though, good luck with it :)

all i'm doing is posting in a forum... that's not much... but i suppose getting the idea out there so people can see it does enough...

i get what your saying about the children thing... it has to be introduced at an age when children understand the concept the not everybody is accepting and friendly and whatnot.. i see where your going... but if the Gay parents were responsible enough and didn't teach their children that "everybody tolerates gay's" then there wouldn't be a problem... but sadly i suppose some or most of them might just teach their children the opposite... and i see where you are coming from, you just don't want to see that mistake happen... i suppose i can agree with you a bit there... but i still think there should be some kind of legalized documentation where the law sees these two people as partners like a married couple but not exactly married... that's all... (why are we all unequal?!?! lol! j/k! not a serious question... like that one "why can't we all just get along?!?" ... i like that one.. it's funny.. and true..)

Baron

01-02-2006, 10:27 PM

I see some people here only object to it, due to the belief that a "marriage" should be between a man and a woman.

Alright, I see your point, but let me ask you this instead:

Do you object to "civil unions" between homosexuals?

Pharcyde

01-02-2006, 10:36 PM

How the hell can homosexuality be natural? History is not nature. Yes there were gays in History, but no gays didnt "evolve" its not possible unless they can procreate with themselves its not natural. As for Gay Marriage, i dont really care, They combine, less chance of aids spreading. ethically i see it as wrong, but hey, the ends justifies the means.

Aka

01-02-2006, 10:41 PM

akin_t

01-02-2006, 10:48 PM

Purokku-kun

01-02-2006, 11:07 PM

I believe I already answered it - it's to do with equal rights as regards inheritance, powers of attorney etc. etc.

At least, that's the legislation that's been drawn up in the UK.

Then again, if gay couples now have these rights enshrined in law, I feel it ought to be an option for straight co-habiting couples too.

Tami

01-02-2006, 11:21 PM

You don't see anything wrong with kids thinking homosexuality is okay? Well thats where we're different, since I do. The fact that something has been going on for a long time doesn't make it natural ... I mean ... you should know that.

Natural is when something is meant to be. Earlier, Fascion mentioned bonobo monekys, saying it was natural for them to be homosexual, truth is bonobos just practice homosexuality without love or thinking of settling down. (it's a behaviour to calm them down, and they're indiscriminate), moreover, they still mate with the opposite sex.

And there's nothing that says it's unnatural either, so far it's you saying it's unnatural, and me saying it is. Unless you are God or something, you don't know what's meant to be. For all we know homosexuality could be population control.

Well I told you it was the sad truth didn't I? Equality is just some ideal we'll never see, it's sad, but thats the way it's going to be.

And that won't stop those who feel the unequality from fighting for their rights.

Sure, you're merely defending what you believe in, as am I, and I understand that.
*nods* My straight parents have always taught me that homosexuality is okay, and I'm not gay

Alright then. If they don't want kids then why aren't they satisfied with just having thier private relationships?

Why isn't a straight couple satisfied with that as well?
Why do they want to be recognized as a legal couple so badly?
Why does anybody? To get rights reguarding them and their loved ones.

They want to stand out, and when people chastize them for it they complain, I mean it's the price to pay for wanting to stand out so much, so they should deal with it.
They want to stand out? It looks to me like they're trying to fit in.

Mind you, many gay couples do want kids, many of them want to start families, You said it yourself, they are humans and they only differ from us in thier sexual orientation. If they want families then they should start thier own, why do they want other people's children?
Why do they want other people's children? Because they can't start their own and because nobody else will take those children?

I mean that's selfish, it's not like they're sterile, they're capable of reproducing children they just choose not to. I know this isn't about children, but once gay couples are allowed to get married, that is the next thing they'll start fighting for.
My best friend was raised by her lesbian mothers, and she's as straight as I am. She accepts and loves her mothers' relationship, but knows that it's not her, and they in turn accept the boyfriends she brings home to meet them. In my and her opinions, they gave her a better life, filled with more happiness and love then any other parents ever could.

Well I know people would prefer staright parents than gay parents, not everyone might but majority wins the vote. Now children being corrupted is obviously perspective but besides that, It's just unfair to a child to give him/her to be raised by gay parents when he/she could have normal ones instead0.
You don't know that. You don't know how would think if you were in a different situation, nobody does. In my opinion, there is no such thing as normal parents. No family is ideal, all have their flaws.

Tami, good gay parents just can't raise a child the way a good straight couple will (there are things a woman has to do for a child that 2 men can't and vice versa, I mean women can't breats feed if they're not pregnant or nursing and breast milk is very vital to a child's growth).
My mother didn't breastfeed me, and I grew up just fine. There is more to life then breastmilk. :rolleye09

There are things that children shouldn't even be bothered with at such young ages and homosexuality happens to be one of those things

It wouldn't be a bother to the child.

This isn't a romantic movie, people don't die for love in reality ... they move on. It's not about stopping them, I mean we can't stop them, whether they're allowed to marry or not would not change thier orientation; and frankly, I'm not concerned.
You seem very concerned, you seem concerned that if gay parents get children, the children will grow up gay, or at least that was the impression I got.

I mean if people have homosexual intercourse, it's just as bad as lieing or stealing in the christian faith.
I was under the impression that any intercourse was bad in the Christian faith.

I'm not saying I'm holier than anyone. I mean I don't have anything against people having sex with the same gender since it's just as bad as telling a lie. I'm saying they shouldn't get married for the reasons I have repeated over in this thread.
I'm saying that they shouldn't be descriminated against for something they can't control. That they shouldn't be denied rights to the one they love.

FascionViktem5k

01-03-2006, 04:44 AM

answering the question akin highlighted in red... having a legal bond gives them all the rights a straight couple has.. like half of the ownership to the house if they live in one or a car if they have one... if they were being investigated by police they have spousal priveleges which means that they can't be forced to say anything incriminating against their spouse... and some of the stuff that Puro said... like inheritence and stuff... otherwise they're just seen as "roommates" ...

Shinigami_Josh

01-03-2006, 05:18 AM

it comes down to are we looking at this in the religious(catholic) or legality of it it has been mentiond of people being raised by a same sex couple turning out just as any one else, it is brought up that if this happened that the child wouldent be "normal" but what is normal who are we to say people shouldent be one way or another? what are the real repurcussions of allowing this will suddenly all these new gay coulples turn out in force adopt kids en mass and then we would have the "gay" generation or would it be all these conservitives up in a puff because its wrong according to how they were raised
they will not always be a minoroty(the ones who admit in public there sexuality)

you must bend in the wind like a willow wand for if you dont the wind will break you

akin_t

01-03-2006, 06:22 AM

Tami, you're friend turning out alright doesn't mean everyone would. I bet you, if you take a survey of kids raised by gay parents, majority would admit to having it rough. You're lucky friend doesn't speak for the population of kids raised by gay parents.

What do you mean by Homosexuality wouldn't bother a child? If you had two mothers or two fathers are you telling me you'd just shrug it off and not question why everyone else has one mom and one dad? Sure kids wouldn't look into it much when they're too young to think, but once they hit the age range of 5 - 7 they would be confused by it.

Whether you care to admit it or not, there is an ideal family ... no one has one, but we all have an idea of what the ideal family should be. (you know, the families you see on those cheesy TV shows like the brady bunch where everyone loves each other equally and the head of the household is the father and blah blah ...) More importantly, if you were to ask random people on the street (say 100 of them) what thier idea of an ideal family would be, I guarantee you that none of those 100 people would even think of a family with gay parents as ideal; ask yourself that question ... prior to this debate, would you have thought of gay parents running an ideal household if you were asked what an ideal household was to you?

Well as for nobody claiming orphans in the US (I know nothing of the status of orphanages in this country ... I just got here), that might not be the same for other countries. I'm not too sure about this one so I'll let it go.

And there's nothing that says it's unnatural either, so far it's you saying it's unnatural, and me saying it is. Unless you are God or something, you don't know what's meant to be. For all we know homosexuality could be population control.

Tami, I am no god, but I do know what is natural and what isn't ... a horse eating a dead animal is not natural as horses are herbivorous, so what do you mean I don't know what's meant to be? Homosexuality isn't natural and that's why homosexuals are in the minority. As for population control ... just get real there's just far more efficient methods.

I was under the impression that any intercourse was bad in the Christian faith.

... Is that supposed to be sarcasm? Intercourse is not bad, premarital intercourse is what the christian faith doesn't uphold.

You seem very concerned, you seem concerned that if gay parents get children, the children will grow up gay, or at least that was the impression I got.

Tami, after all this while I'm suprised you think I'm stupid. I mean everybody knows that environment doesn't affect your sexual orientation; for the love of cake that's why gay people hide thier feelings, because the environment they grew up in is not gay friendly. I'm saying (and I've said this many times in this thread) chldren raised by gay parents would think everyone thinks it's perfectly alright to be gay, and if that nonsense is fed to them long enough, they would turn out to be people who think it's just perfectly normal to love and lust for people of the same sex.

In all honesty, I have to admit that you guys do make sense when saying homosexuals deserve legal benefits when they get united or joined ... whatever, but I just hope that bill isn't vitoed.

Purokku-kun

01-03-2006, 06:31 AM

As usual, when I find I can't express myself eloquently enough, I find someone else to do it for me.

So, here (http://www.channel4.com/health/microsites/0-9/4health/sex/lgb_effects.html) is something which does it better.

An article which addresses, I believe, a lot of the concerns and stereotyped reactions that we seem to be getting in this thread.

To summarise, for those of you who can't be bothered to read it:

Having gay parents won't necessarily make you gay; after all, they had straight parents, but didn't turn straight did they?

Kids being bullied for having gay parents is just one reason that kids are bullied, but even kids with straight parents get bullied. Besides, it's the homophobia from society which causes these kids to be bullied for having gay parents anyway.

Sexual preference has nothing to do with how good a parent you are - the important factors are how much love and stability you give a child.

_strangechild_

01-03-2006, 02:28 PM

Several of my mates have gay parents. I don't recall any of them getting picked on about it. In my school, not many people care about sexuality, but there are the occasional people who are completely stunned by it.

I watched this thing on gay marriage, no idea where it was, I think it was in America or England. But they were voting whether to permit it or not and you saw this couple and when they said "No" one of the guys cried and I felt so sad for them, I also find it more sad when a guy cries for some reason. Ahh, emotional. Just thought I'd share that with you.

Akin_T, my mates do shrug it off. They all said they didn't mind and it wasn't that different for them. They still had and have a father on the scene. My mate, if you go to her house, you see her pictures she did when she was little and she has her mother, father and step-mum in the picture.
I don't think, for a lot of people, it's not hard to 'get used to/accept'. People think I must feel like the odd one out 'cause I'm a illegitimate child, my father lives elsewhere and my mother's a single parent. I personally never thought my parents were together and it really didn't matter to me if they were or not. I've never got picked on for it either, lol.

FascionViktem5k

01-04-2006, 01:16 AM

i think the most homophobic country is the US.. that's why so many people are concerned with bullying... since people are amazingly homophobic here the children getting bullyed will be much worse than any of the other children (who have straight parents)... thank you so much Puro for that link.. i think we should all read it for it is very helpful and informative.. and it said almost everything i was trying to say (except in words that i could not find... lol)... although the children would be a bit confused at first i don't think it would affect them to a horrible degree... even if you don't want them to get married they should still be allowed some kind of documentation of which the law will see them as partners... (and i never even thought of that whole male role model female role model until this thread.. i didn't think it mattered since single parents managed just fine...)

_strangechild_

01-04-2006, 04:05 PM

I thought AIDS is spread out, view exchaning body fluides :/

and in my opnion there is in "gay-sex" possible to exchange them
(perhaps I'm wrong, because I don''t know if AIDS spread through kisses etc, but I know it exchanges through natural sex)
You can't catch AIDS from just kissing someone, in some cases you can get AIDS by having oral sex, you can get it from injecting drugs (- any infected needle, even if it's just one used for you to get a tatoo, can cause you do have AIDS. But this is rare, I think, the tatoo thing), having anal sex, vaginal sex and various other ways.
Ahh, I remember learning about AIDS.. kind of.

Sad that so many things seem to be such a big issue in the United States, I say that 'cause I watch stuff like Rikki Lake sometimes. =D But I dunno about a lot of areas and their views on homosexuality and how bad/nice people are towards them. I can only speak for my area within where I live.

Do many people have AIDS/HIV?
I'm not actually that aware about it.

I heard that Elton John got married to some guy. In the UK. Has there been a change in the law about gay marriage or something?

FascionViktem5k

01-05-2006, 02:36 AM

akin_t

01-05-2006, 04:52 AM

They should call it whatever they want ... as long as it is not called marriage. I mean, after all, marriage is really for man and woman alone.

As for AIDS/HIV I heard it's prevalent in homosexuals, I don't believe this though as It doesn't make much sense; I mean, exchange of bodily fliuds besides saliva would guarantee HIV, and last time I checked everyone exchanges bodily fluids during sex.

I'm not for homosexuality, but I guess they can have the legal benefits they crave so much (I mean there's more to life than benefits ...); In any case, I'm still pleased that most states in this country have laws stopping it.

Shinraco

01-05-2006, 05:22 AM

there must be if he had a wedding and married his partner of 12 years... (i heard it was a huge wedding... from my dad... wat a wierd source..)

i still think we should call it somethin other than "marriage" ... let's think of something!
how about 'butt buddy' :biggrinki but on a different note im not to fown of gay people i think its wrong and i hate the media for implying thats its ok to be gay, hell no its not, gay people just fueling the fire to be hated for wanting be "married" they can call it some thing else marriage is some thing religious but i do agree that they should have the same rights.i know i may seem prejudice but im not,im extremely tolerable towered people of all....

Kyouka Suigetsu

01-05-2006, 05:55 AM

akin_t

01-05-2006, 06:57 AM

Wow, you're just offended because of the use of a word? Come on now. It's nothing more than a sound composed of imaginary letters created by the human mind. It's nothing important if you look at it logically. And people wonder why the world is going to shit...

Marriage isn't just a bunch of sounds, it has (since man was conceived) a meaning, I just don't believe the meaning of the word and the concept of the ceremony should be changed for anything. That's all.

And as for the world going to shit, that has nothing to do with what I choose to define marriage as (and you even mentioned logic). So if I accept marriage to be defined as the joining of 2 people (regardless of orientation) then the world is gonna stop flowing with ignorance? The problem is you think you know, but don't know enough to know that you don't. What is it with you people and all this talk about change? I believe that marriage is strictly for straight people, it has always been that way ... and now that I believe it should stay that way ... the world is going to shit? :confused:

Kyouka Suigetsu

01-05-2006, 07:23 AM

Marriage isn't just a bunch of sounds, it has (since man was conceived) a meaning, I just don't believe the meaning of the word and the concept of the ceremony should be changed for anything. That's all.

And as for the world going to shit, that has nothing to do with what I choose to define marriage as (and you even mentioned logic). So if I accept marriage to be defined as the joining of 2 people (regardless of orientation) then the world is gonna stop flowing with ignorance? The problem is you think you know, but don't know enough to know that you don't. What is it with you people and all this talk about change? I believe that marriage is strictly for straight people, it has always been that way ... and now that I believe it should stay that way ... the world is going to shit?

While being a sentimental pile of nonsense and a pointless evaluation of my knowledge, it still says nothing contrary to what I said and does nothing to support your following statements. I'm not talking about just you either. My statement targets all people who are so focused on the context of the word marriage on both sides. It's not important. Over emphasis on such trivial things as the purpose and meaning of word is a waste of everyone's time. Irrelevant issues like these tend to take the spotlight from real problems, which in fact does contribute to the world going to shit. The big-business controlled media just loves to use "hot topics" like these to take attention from important concerns. Many would say people who waste their time trying to push legislation in favor of and against such are ignorant and are contributing to the world going to shit. Were you aware that a large number of votes given in favor of Bush were based simply on this subject? This is just one example on how people's biases, which supposedly don't effect the world do. My case is settled.

akin_t

01-05-2006, 07:49 AM

Well I don't know whether you read through this thread or not (I'm betting you didn't), but either way you seem to be missing the point, my reasons for not wanting gay marriages are not that the word marrige would be used where it shouldn't (I'm pretty sure that's nobody's real reasons are). I've listed the reasons previously, if you're interested you can look a few pages back. I didn't come into this argument saying that they're unions shouldn't be called marriage, I came into this argument not wanting gays to be joined in anyway.

Well then, I said that if at all they were to be joined, the word marriage should not be used. It wasn't a trivial matter it was the part of the argument that you just happened to see, and from there you started saying I worry about trivial things.

Now as for your point in that post, I'm not quite sure I get you. It seems all you're saying is alot of people complain about trivial issues while more meaningful ones should be attended to? If that's the case then you just happened to come in late, the important issues have already been discussed and settled.

Kyouka Suigetsu

01-05-2006, 07:58 AM

In that case, how is the union of gays an important issue? It doesn't effect the condition of the world in anyway. Is crime going to go up, natural disasters increase, war proliferate, or the economy plummet as a result? No. Plus, you're applying your understanding and standard to the world. Gay relationships were very common in ancient societies. If you didn't know this to begin with, then I won't be the one to further enlighten you. The only things settled are in your mind.

Note: I have read this thread the entire way through but your added point of the context of marriage threw me off most.

akin_t

01-05-2006, 08:11 AM

In that case, how is the union of gays an important issue?
Well every issue, no matter how small, will have a part of it that's more important than others. I didn't say that gay marriage is an important issue, I said the important issues regarding gay marriage have been discussed.

Anyway, it's just my belief for the most part. I know that homosexuality has been going on for a long time; I mean history tells us that Nero was gay (well bisexual), as was Alexander and his father. I know it doesn't affect the world adversly but still, I'm not just enthusiastic about the idea that gay people want to settle down as a family.

same gender sex is a sin whether they're a legal couple or not, but I guess I'm not in position to judge anyone since we all sin.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure that in the US the bill won't be vitoed anytime soon and I hope it stays that way. That's all

Kyouka Suigetsu

01-05-2006, 08:24 AM

*head explodes* Ok, I can agree with that. To be honest, I thought your responses were well thought out. I'm just using this thread to try and debate something I'm indifferent about. I need to be able to since I'm a member of the debate club at my school. Although, I do feel its pointless everyone will have something they feel strongly about while others could care less. It is unnatural though (not to say a lot of things in human society aren't) and I can't understand how anyone of the male gender enjoys it (unless they're masochistic).

akin_t

01-05-2006, 08:32 AM

Ahh my school doesn't have a debate club, that's why I'm taking political science this semester, we get to argue about these sort of things. I just want to enjoy the debate, nobody wants to argue against it alongside with me so I have to be a little agressive to be heard. I know some gay people and I don't treat them any different than I do anyone; after all, they're people. They're just different in thier orientation. (and dressing sometimes)

As for where the male attraction comes from ... I honestly don't know, I just haven't felt anything for a guy either, and the way I'm going, I doubt I'll ever stray.

EDIT: Where are my manners? thank you for the complement :)

Kyouka Suigetsu

01-05-2006, 08:41 AM

A truce then and maybe even friends? I also felt the same way a little while ago. The whole concept of homosexuality used to disgust me, but I've become quite a bit more pragmatic over the last couple of years and it simply became of no more consuquence to me. I basically thought, "they're gay.....so what?" It effects me in no way so I'll just let them do whatever they want. If they end up in hell or if the place even exists isn't my concern either, well, I do hope a place exists for my definition of evil people and I try to do right because in my mind it's how you should act.

Evil = people who kill or harm for pleasure, people who manipulate others for sexual gratification (if both parties are aware of each other's intent then no), people who live their lives apathetic towards others, and some others I forgot...

akin_t

01-05-2006, 08:50 AM

Yeah a truce it is and friends we are *shakes on it*, I was suprised at the idea of homosexuality when I first heard of it; However, one of my friends turned out to be gay; at first when I found out, I was kinda cautious and all then realized "Hey, he's not gonna hurt me or anything, plus I doubt he'll find me attractive", I eased up with gay people from then on.

Fect

01-05-2006, 11:06 PM

Just something to throw out there:

Homosexuality has been known to be around since the Mespotamians.
Romans valued some slaves on their beauty rather than their sex.
The Greeks often had homosexual contact with one another.
Many native peoples throughout the world have or still are practicing this.

Tokoyami

01-05-2006, 11:10 PM

( >_>) but....putter is so much better....

Daeruke

01-07-2006, 03:10 AM

i m ok with it. with they cose to b then fine. but it is not suppose to b. oppopsites r suppose to attract. it is casue of ur brain's malfunction. it sometimes happens. if they r hapy let them b.

HallowDude

01-07-2006, 03:13 AM

i agree with dear.
its okay for gay marriges it not our fualt that ppl have diff taste...(i thinkgay is gay thought) besides America is a country of free choice

FascionViktem5k

01-07-2006, 05:50 AM

.... now which part of America were talking about? cuz America is a pretty big continent... or were you referring to the US? i think you were... am i right? (these things confuse me so much! argh!!) ok ... and no... it's free choice to a certain degree... nothing is free in this country.. everything has a price.. like being gay... they are scrutinized, verbally abused, beaten and even sometimes killed for it... so... i don't agree with that statement... and just to let everyone know (in case none of you already didn't) Shakespeare was gay.. or at least was "rumored" to have had a gay lover... so ... yeah... homosexuality has been around for quite sometime....

Purokku-kun

01-08-2006, 10:04 AM

Shakespeare was alive a few hundred years ago - homosexuality's been around for thousands of years, dear.

And as for Shakespeare being gay, there is no direct evidence for that, despite writing about intense affection for a "lovely boy" in one of his sonnets; he had a wife and kids, and wrote loads about heterosexual love (Romeo and Juliet, anyone?)

_strangechild_

01-08-2006, 02:41 PM

Shakespeare was gay.. or at least was "rumored" to have had a gay lover...
I never believe stuff like that. Some people think Lewis Caroll was a paedophile and on drugs. But I've never heard any good hard evidence to back it up.
People also say Shakespeare is also con, I dunno much about that so I dunno how people work these things out..

I found out that you CAN be seen as a gay couple in the eyes of the Law now (in the UK), forgot what it's called, but it's not 'marriage', it's more like a registry office thing - so it's not really any kind of religious ceremony. =)

Rabid_Wolverine

01-08-2006, 03:38 PM

I don't support it or go against it. There's nothing wrong with it although it does seem a little awkward. It's the person's choice if they want to have a gay marraige or not. I just think people are just a litle bit too politically correct nowadays. Freedom of speech still exists but it's as if evreything you say may be wrong or offensive.

Darts15

01-08-2006, 04:18 PM

hm for this....I don't really support nor do i not like hate it...to me people choose who the want to be with and if they wish to be gay oh well...cause don't we have the right to choose who we want to be with...?

tednfs

01-08-2006, 07:26 PM

' I wudnt be so apathetic if I weren't so lethargic'
Most people reply in this manner
It doesnt affect them so they have no opinions
Let's call them zombies..as they are mindless creatures
or am i going over board?
what i believe is that they gay community will drag as many famous people down to make them seem normal..but we dont know what normal is
why shud they parade if they think they are normal
and please no reference to african americans as that is a completely different case

BlindFear

01-08-2006, 07:33 PM

I'm completely fine with gay marriage. There's nothing wrong with it; if two people of the same sex wish to be together, let them be. We have no right nor the power to prevent them from doing so. Besides, if being with another person of the same sex makes them happy, why would we want to take that happiness away? I'm sure you wouldn't want someone to take the person you love away from you, so what good is it to try and seperate two gay people?

tednfs

01-08-2006, 07:40 PM

but that wasn't my argument Blindfear
its ethically wrong to take away a person's happiness irrespective of anything
we are all equal
i simpy said most people argue the way u do
to adults..
but the mai question is..why is it always it doesnt affect me argument..i believe that argument will not hold

rice_eater

01-19-2006, 09:21 PM

although i believe there is a reason there are males and females on earth but if they love each other they should be together.

aerikh

01-20-2006, 04:00 AM

same sex marriage is fine with me.. :)

aerikh

01-20-2006, 04:01 AM

erm..bt i think i'll still stick 2 my gf... :p

Bakuretsu

01-20-2006, 04:17 AM

in my opinion all gays should be sent to an island to left there for all eternity and see how long they would wanna be gay hahaha so yea im AGAINST IT

falerus

01-20-2006, 04:55 AM

personally i think a gay person is born gay, and so they should have the right to marry. i don't see why anyone would choose to be gay, because its obvious that they arent treated well. people are born gay, and depriving them of marriage is wrong.

just my opinion... i'm straight btw

Hanatarou-smiles-

01-20-2006, 05:05 AM

This is what my sister always says:

"Love is Love no matter what way, shape, or form it appears in"

And even though people say, "Homosexuality is a sin" I'm still perfectly fine with it... Maybe people are born gay or maybe they somehow give into their hormones... But whatever the reason, I believe it's still love, so who should care??

And I'm not saying all this because I'm homo, 'cause I'm not.... I'm straight, which I am perfectly okay with.

vejitto3

01-20-2006, 08:46 PM

generalconsensus

01-20-2006, 10:27 PM

^^ you're still in the closet i guess lol jk
anywaythere's no such thing as born gay people choose to be gay...that's like saying nazi's are born nazi's no they're not it's just something you learn provided the right environment for it to cultivate which happened to be desperate sailors way back when especialy christopher colombo

so ur sayin that u werent born straight, but you were brought up that way? what about all the ppl who were 'raised straight', and turned out to be gay? are you really serious?

Shaehl

01-20-2006, 10:28 PM

Homosexuals should not be able to be married. Give them all the rights and benefits, I have no qaulms with that, but leave marriage out of it. Why should we redefine one of our nation's, and the world's, most precious traditions for the sake of a deviant minority. I don't hate gays or anything like that- unless they are coming on to me -If they want to degrade themselves, it's none of my business. But where do they get off thinking they can make ALL of society bend over backwards for them?

The fact is, marriage is between a man and a woman. There is no need to change that. Gays cannot be married because a union of the same sex is not marriage. Simple as that. Once you start legally redefining things like that, where do you draw the line? If gays can be married because they "love" eachother, why not a man and a goat? Or a woman and a snake? Who are we to say that they don't "love" eachother and shouldn't be married? While we're at it, we can redefine rape, murder and child abuse.

Again, give gay's civil unions or whatever, there is no need to redefine marriage.

akin_t

01-20-2006, 10:33 PM