Obesity

[ramenkage]

broad topic
the debate will range from place of blame to civil rights

Blame: fast food or parents
i blame parents and the kids, its their fault they eat the food. seriously now, who in their right mind even though that fast food is healthy?

civil rights: air plane seats
i think corporations have the right to charge obese people two airfare if they take up to seat.

[Malicious insomniac]

Blame: self control or genes
Some ppl cannot get it thru their skulls that they eat themselves into an earlier grave because obesity is a life threatening thing. I could go all scientific now but we all kno the effects of obesity. Unless however It is a hereditary condition, then that's another situation.

civil rights: not sure yet.

Won't it be interesting if u bring in the topic of anorexia and compare the two?

[ramenkage]

genetics is a weak excuse for obesity, only have few people have this defect, that is no reason for a large portion of the american population to be obese

anorexia? i think thats a pschological problem, but it may also have connections to society

[Malicious insomniac]

but u still can't generalize and not protect those that can do nothing about their condition. But u r right for the major part. I think it's lack of discipline..

[ramenkage]

ummm i dont think its a lack of discipline
i use to eat without restriction, actually i was restricted by the amount of money in my wallet, but other than that i eat to my hearts content. but i didnt get overtly fat
its the lack of excerise. parents are especially to blame. get your kids out of the house!

[Malicious insomniac]

excersing is a discipline u kno ramendork

[ramenkage]

you dont need to do rigorous excerises to lose weight
a walk in the park doesnt take discipline...

[Malicious insomniac]

a casual walk in the park isn't discipline, but a serious walk is. U burn calories as u sleep so as u wud taking a casual walk. U have to have discipline enuff to do excercise that really burns calories, not any mere casualities.

[Uzumaki-Kun]

You can only blame yourself if you get fat and obese!!!! Plus I hate fast food it makes me sick just looking it.

[kivol]

Well I blame the food companies; if you go on a diet to loose carbs then you will be an on constant struggle with loosing wait. It’s hard to explain, then if you go on a no fat or no sugar diet or something. If you read the labels you will find out that a lot of food has either sugar or fat. see i don't think there are as many or as fat people in europe. so lets all move to europe, lol j/k.

[ramenkage]

mcdonalds and other fast food companies have been required to display the nutritious fact years ago. my only defense against blaming fast food corporation is that people dont just wake up one day and find themselves fat. its a long process. youll have to be stupid to realize that the food youre eating is making you fat.
unless they can prove that fast food is addicting, then no one can really blame the companies
if mcdonalds does get penalized, theres no stopping fat people from suing normal food company because it is possible to get fat from anything even healthy food

[Schoulayer]

Only a very small percent of fat people are fat because of genetics. The vast majority of them are fat because of inactivity and poor nutrition choices. Everybodys body is different, what keeps one person slender can make another person fat. The fact is some people have to workout at a higher intensity and eat different things. Find what works for you.

Blaming fast food companies is like buying a gun, shooting yourself, and blaming the gun company. It makes no sense.

[Pipp-ORK]

Wow...You have a point..I guess it COULD be blamed on lazyness, or you could blame the parents for not discouraging the child to eat fast foods. It can also be taken into consideration that the fat person is spoiled, and out of control...

[Chase-Kun]

Childern should be alowed to eat whatever they want,... but still be educated about it,.. eating sweets and stuff is great n'all but not healthy one bit,.. i say let the child eat and eat,.. and when you make sure that they understand that its not healty then you dont have alot to worrie about... if the child gets fat and becomes a fat lazy 400LB person than your not guilty,... and when they ***** about it you can use the old "I told you so" routine... I also think that parents in the USA are too over-protective,.. they dont wanna say "billy,.. your getting fat and ugly,.. put down the snickers bar and have an apple",.. instead they just let him eat and eat or they do tell the child that and stop letting them have sweets period,.. >.>... if you want to hear abouta true story about one of my friends ive known for life and what happened to him ill type it our for you,.. it will only clarify my point,..

O.o... damn i like to ramble,.. looks like someone found one of my topics....

[Flamealchemist]

Blame: Its the persons fault, why the hell would you sue a fast food restaurant for making fat like they are doing to Mc Donalds. The restaurant isnt making you eat the food, you go there and you buy it meaning you pay money which you took out of your pockets by will. Now i hear they are making restourants take away their big size food. No More supersize people because some asshole thought it would be good for people. Who cares you eat what you want. If you eat three burgers ok then its your fault you get fat dont go and blame the damn restaurant.


People just dont think these days.

Other people to Blame: Parents like many of you guys and gals said, So I was watching one of those shows I think it was the Maury show and this mother gave her kid (He was fat I dont mean just fat he was huge!!) chicken wings, fires, juice in the morning for breakfast. He could get up at night and she would give him a can of raviolie. SICK..that made me sick, she cried later on in the show because she felt sorry for her kid. I felt like slapping her if I see her walking down the streets. again people just dont think!!!

Other things to blame: Blame the kid. Simple just blame the kid. I used to be fat(Not obese but I blame myself its true I ate alot but I realized that and lost weight) I didnt go around blaming fast food restaurants.

[Zero]

Wow, there are a lot of uneducated post here... I recommend going here http://www.obesity.org/ Read a little bit. Then come back and post.

Please, if you're going to debate at least know a little bit about the subject at hand. You just come out looking really stupid with

"Its the persons fault"
They didn't want to be born with a low metabolism.

"Well I blame the food companies"
No one is ever forced to eat anything, the companies didn't come to their house and shove a double cheese burger down their throat.

"You can only blame yourself if you get fat and obese!!!! "
What about genetics? What if... You know what, forget it. Go find out on your own, there are some other factors that you can't control.

"you dont need to do rigorous excerises to lose weight
a walk in the park doesnt take discipline..."

You were born lucky, you didn't have A LOT of weight to lose first. A walk in the park doesn't burn much. And yes, it does take rigorous excercise to lose weight healthfully and safely.

[Chase-Kun]

Its not that my post is un-educated its just that if you know your child or your family has a history of "large'ness" then you need to educate your childeren more on the foods they eat,.. you cant sit there 24/7 and watch what someone eats,.. granted there are genetic's involved,.. but then you need to be more carefull,.. Yes its the fast food companys fault for makeing such greasy food and such,.. but you buy it and you eat it,. and that makes them create more greasy fast food chains,.. the bottom line i see it is that if you have a weight problem and know it then watch your self better,.. and for parents they need to educate their childern more on these things,...

[Zero]

Its not that my post is un-educated its just that if you know your child or your family has a history of "large'ness" then you need to educate your childeren more on the foods they eat,.. you cant sit there 24/7 and watch what someone eats,.. granted there are genetic's involved,.. but then you need to be more carefull,.. Yes its the fast food companys fault for makeing such greasy food and such,.. but you buy it and you eat it,. and that makes them create more greasy fast food chains,.. the bottom line i see it is that if you have a weight problem and know it then watch your self better,.. and for parents they need to educate their childern more on these things,...

You seem to not understand something, they don't necesarily have to eat a hamburger to gain weight. They can eat regularly like you do, and gain twice or three times as much weight as you would. And who said fat people don't watch themselves?

Some of my friends eat a lot healthier then I do, exercise just as much and yet still remain bigger then me.

[Flamealchemist]

Yeah Zero is completly right, there are people that are fat but not because they eat alot but because it runs in their family. Ok well In my post I wasnt talking about that since if you are fat because it runs in your family you have no reason to sue fast food companies its not your fault its not theirs. But I was talking about those that get fat from Eating alot those are the ones that are now talking all this bullshit on TV and then we have some concern parents that talking even more Bullshit about kids and obesity, when you go to that parents house I bet you find their lazy ass fat kid sitting in front of the TV eating 3 bas of potatoe chips follow by some icecream. I am not insulting fat people because as I have said I used to be fat once. I am just insulting those morons that do exactly what they are claming shouldnt be done. Buying the supersize in Mac Docalds. Now we dont have Supersize in MacDonalds...thanks alot morons! Really why should we be deprived of something because some people felt that it made people fat? Sure it does make you fat, but then again who eats it? YOU!!!! THE PERSON!!!

People piss me off.

*Note* Those were my opinions expressed feel free to comment on it, just dont flame it since I didnt nor woud Flame your post.

[ramenkage]

I think people should stop complaining about being fat. It really isn't all that big of a deal. If you care enough to complain then you should care enough to do something about it.
im skurred. heinz said something that makes complete sense
but seriously eat less if you think youre fat
dont shove fries into your mouth and cry about it

[kinonai]

im skurred. heinz said something that makes complete sense
but seriously eat less if you think youre fat
dont shove fries into your mouth and cry about it
Shut up. Some people have diseases that cause them to be...well...fat. I don't think it's fair to say that all you have to do is eat less. Actually, telling people that may cause people to form eating disorders (and contrary to popular belief, they usually make a people fatter). This whole thread is immature...


(And yes, I agree that the people that ARE fat from stuffing their face should stop complaining and just eat a little less. I'm just trying to defend the others that don't fit in that category.)

[ramenkage]

Shut up. Some people have diseases that cause them to be...well...fat. I don't think it's fair to say that all you have to do is eat less. Actually, telling people that may cause people to form eating disorders (and contrary to popular belief, they usually make a people fatter). This whole thread is immature...
that some is a very very small number, the majority are just lazy and cant control themselves
and this thread as not initially about people being fat, its about people being fat and suing mcdonalds and airplane companies

[kivol]

how the hell would you know if its a small amount of people? do you like go up to the average fat american and ask do you have a disease or are you just fat. i really don't know how to cure america on our obesity trip to hell, but if your going to blame some1 blame the food companies. why? well if you want to go on a low fat diet the food that says that has a lot of sugar. and if you want to go on a low sugar diet the usually has a lot of fat. (its not all food just most) the companies want you to eat more so you have to go buy more.

if you want to loose weight you have to look at the packaging. you either stay away from saturated fat or unsaturated(i forgot which one). and you have to do daily exercise. i will try to go find the new food pyramid guide. unless some1 else finds it first

go here to see the new one

http://www.nbps.org/LighthousePointFacultyPages/HighfieldK/new_food_pyramid.htm

[ramenkage]

how the hell would you know if its a small amount of people? do you like go up to the average fat american and ask do you have a disease or are you just fatbecause its a genetic disorder. if you think about it, the number of obese people was small before, now it is big. i dont think the people with the disorder had that many kids

well if you want to go on a low fat diet the food that says that has a lot of sugar. and if you want to go on a low sugar diet the usually has a lot of fat. (its not all food just most) the companies want you to eat more so you have to go buy more
if a person wanted lost weight, they would watch the calorie intake, not what kind of food theyve eaten. if i eat only low fat low carb food, but tons and tons of it, ill still be fat.