Great Sport

[ramenkage]

which sport do you think is most physically demanding?

this thread is made because alot of people accuse raquet sport of being "girly"
but it is my belief that it is what you put into a sport that makes it challenging.

[Malicious insomniac]

i hold same to that belief, but if put equal amounts of effort in to every sport, u will see the differences. I'm not sure what it would be tho. Maybe marathon swimming....

[ramenkage]

i think running is difficult, especially long distance
because its more of a mental sport than a physical sport

[Jinchuu]

Well I used to run over 4 kilometres and it was no big deal, moreover if you have someone to talk to while running it's real fun.
I think the most demanding sport is phy. exc. like push-ups oww they are killing me.

[ramenkage]

it sometimes also depends on the person.
like i can do tons and tons of push ups but i cant do pull ups

[Malicious insomniac]

cuz i guess u've trained one set of muscles more than the other but try thinking ur a feather, TRUELY and try to do the same pull ups. Bet u'll be able to

[ramenkage]

=/
the most difficult thing is to get in shape
once you have that down its all downhill

[mgviperman]

if you're talking about physically demanding, i'd have to go with something like football or rugby. you really have to be strong and have good endurance to play those games. oh, and raquet sports are NOT girly. i play tennis...i'm not a girl...nuff said

[kivol]

Basketball: if both teams suck and you miss a lot of shots it will be a long day and a lot of running back and forth.
football(american style, lol): need bursts of energy everytime a new play starts (which the vikings don't have)
golf: some ppl don't think this is hard but it actually is a lot hard than it looks but not a lot of running around and hearing fans screaming "GO WOODS!" lol (but i still find this sport boring to watch and or play)
running: yeah long distances running that is crazy and hard. i am horribly out of shape, and i can hardly run for more than 30 seconds(or maybe that is sprinting)
cycling: not big in usa but huge in europe. and it is hard to bike up those hills when your out of shape.

there are more but thats to many for me

[ramenkage]

ever since watching mircle ive alway wondered
how would a team of all stars do against a team of inferior players with better team work?

[kivol]

say what? what do you mean? do you mean like when the too highly paid basketball players of the nba faced other countries basketball players and lost to them. if so yeah i heard about that and i though that was sad. our best against, the other countries, how do we use to. lol w/e we are just dumb

[ramenkage]

naw i meant hockey
i saw it in a movie called mircle
our all star pro team lost to the russian team
then the american coach made a new team of amatuer players and beat the russians

[kivol]

oh lol. yeah i saw that movie. it was good. the coach was from minnesota. i live in minnesota and i think some of the players were from here too. and i think th coach died in a crash a little while before the movie came out. he died cause he wasn't wearing a seat belt. how sad.

[Schoulayer]

In football you get small breathers inbetween plays, its probably not the most physically demanding. Running is probably one of the more demanding things because it requires a really powerful cardio system.

But I'd have to go with.............
.....................
.....................Swimming!

Seriously try to power swim several laps, it takes alot out of you =P

Similar cardio requirements of running, and it really works all of your muscels.

[Pipp-ORK]

Soccer! You get to trip, you get to threaten, you get to kick, and you get to scream your lungs out for your player to "RUNNN FASSSTTERRR!!!!" (Rugby is tied. ^_^)

[Zero]

All sports are physically demanding.. You can't really compare them since you need different skills among other things to play.

Badminton pwnz j00! Mainly because working with only another player is A lot easier then a whole team.

[ramenkage]

meh badminton =/
not a demanding sport
more about natural talent

[Iris]

Hmm, odd I just thought that anything that could be chllanging and "worthy" enough to be broadcast from ESPN is a sport.

I tried playing rugby today...my rump hurts.

o.<;'

[ramenkage]

im sure your rump is hurt cuz of other activities http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/mbparker/Lets_do_it_wild.gif jk xP (smiley stolen from park)
but any competition is difficult
the easier the activity the more difficult the competition becomes because it requies precision and control

[Zero]

meh badminton =/
not a demanding sport
more about natural talent

Badminton isn't a demanding sport? You must play at newb level... You need to be able to sprint at any moment of the game. You need to be able to determine where your opponent next hit will be. You need to be able to hit far or short in a blink of an eye....

It's a demanding sport and requires skill, or atleast more then just natural talent.

[nighthawksw]

I'd say football is prolly the most taxing, physically >_> You're always sweating in that thing, it adds like, 30 lb to your body, and ur ramming people at full speed, which cant be good for ur legs~
I do swimming and waterpolo, and i used to do soccer and basketball regularly. I only did Football for 1 year, and that got me in the best shape of my life, and put me in the most pain i've ever been in, regularly. No, that's not why i dont do it~ i dont play football now because i hate the coaching method -_-; all coaches i've met, think they're flippin military officers at bootcamp. Anyway~ that's my opinion

[Pipp-ORK]

Yes..You have a point! I change my claim! Now rugby is tied with football!! Because it adds 30 lb to yo' body!

[ramenkage]

Badminton isn't a demanding sport? You must play at newb level... You need to be able to sprint at any moment of the game. You need to be able to determine where your opponent next hit will be. You need to be able to hit far or short in a blink of an eye....im a tennis player, so naturally i stay away from badminton, but from what i see. badminton skills can only be developed to a certain level. to be truly good you have to have natural talent
when i say not demanding, i mean physically demanding. sprinting for badminton isnt hard.

[Zero]

im a tennis player, so naturally i stay away from badminton, but from what i see. badminton skills can only be developed to a certain level. to be truly good you have to have natural talent
when i say not demanding, i mean physically demanding. sprinting for badminton isnt hard.

For the whole match? You're saying sprinting for a whole match isn't physically taxing? Or always anticipating the next move, always having to be ready isn't mentally taxing?

Where do you get that badminton skills can only be developed to a certain level? You have no proof from what I read. So I can just as easily say that tennis requires natural talent to be truly good. And be correct because I'm using the same logic you do, opinion.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong)

[ramenkage]

For the whole match? You're saying sprinting for a whole match isn't physically taxing? Or always anticipating the next move, always having to be ready isn't mentally taxing?

Where do you get that badminton skills can only be developed to a certain level? You have no proof from what I read. So I can just as easily say that tennis requires natural talent to be truly good. And be correct because I'm using the same logic you do, opinion.
badminton is all in the wrist. something can be developed, but is very difficult. i have yet you see someone not gifted in badminton become a professional level player. as for sprinting. if you do play you know that there is no sprinting in badminton. only b00bs sprints. the court is small enough so that you can reach any shot in two steps.two steps isnt sprinting. antcipating next move? that too can be developed, but i still have yet to see anyone go from no coordination to insane hand eye coordination. Tennis a more physical sport than badminton. real sprinting is required. and there are more varibles to strokes. skills can be developed. but if you would read my post from way back, i said that sports are as challenging as you make them out to be. =/

[Zero]

badminton is all in the wrist. something can be developed, but is very difficult. i have yet you see someone not gifted in badminton become a professional level player. as for sprinting. if you do play you know that there is no sprinting in badminton. only b00bs sprints. the court is small enough so that you can reach any shot in two steps.two steps isnt sprinting. antcipating next move? that too can be developed, but i still have yet to see anyone go from no coordination to insane hand eye coordination. Tennis a more physical sport than badminton. real sprinting is required. and there are more varibles to strokes. skills can be developed. but if you would read my post from way back, i said that sports are as challenging as you make them out to be. =/

All in the wrist? No, you use your whole body every single hit.

Please define gifted, I don't know what you mean... I'm sure that atleast 1 player became a proffesional with hard work, and not all natural talent.

About the no sprinting, the playing field is small, but do you know how fast those birdies move? It's to the point that you can hardly see it anymore, and you're just estimating approximately where it's going to hit.

The no coordination to insane hand eye coordination is seen everytime you watch a sport, everyone starts with no hand eye coordination. ;)

Everything you just said I can say about badminton, it does have a lot of variable to strokes, skills can be develope, and you need to sprint.

(About your other post, that voids this whole debate doesn't it?)

[kinonai]

Swimming. Now, I'm not talking about what you did in swimming lessons or what you do with your friends. I'm talking about intense races where you are in living hell and work so ****ing hard that you'd cry, but wait...you can't even do that because you're in water. Or at least that is how it was for me when I was on a swim team. Maybe I just pushed myself too hard...oh well, it was fun.

[ramenkage]

All in the wrist? No, you use your whole body every single hit.have you ever played badminton? or know someone who does?
its all in the wrist. if you dont have the wrist it doesnt matter how fast you are or how fast your reaction is.

Please define gifted, I don't know what you mean... I'm sure that atleast 1 player became a proffesional with hard work, and not all natural talent.gifted is a simple word, look it up in the dictionary if you need to. and there isnt. you can look it up if you need to.

About the no sprinting, the playing field is small, but do you know how fast those birdies move? It's to the point that you can hardly see it anymore, and you're just estimating approximately where it's going to hit.how does that relate to the speed of the birdy? two steps isnt sprinting

The no coordination to insane hand eye coordination is seen everytime you watch a sport, everyone starts with no hand eye coordination. that isnt true...

Everything you just said I can say about badminton, it does have a lot of variable to strokes, skills can be develope, and you need to sprint.with lack of speed, there isnt much manipulation in the techniques.

im saying its not physically demanding, not that its not demanding
badminton is an easy to pick up hard to master kind of thing

[Zero]

have you ever played badminton? or know someone who does?
its all in the wrist. if you dont have the wrist it doesnt matter how fast you are or how fast your reaction is.

If you don't use your whole body it doesn't matter how excellent your wrist is. Someone can only go so far with their wrist alone.


gifted is a simple word, look it up in the dictionary if you need to. and there isnt. you can look it up if you need to.

All words are simple, it's the meaning behind them that matters. When you said:

"i have yet you see someone not gifted in badminton become a professional level player."

Do you mean gifted as naturally good? I just wanted a clarification, because we've already discussed someone being natural good, and it takes more then that. And what's even stranger is you act as if you've met and known these people personally to know if they're gifted or not. People can be as good as they want to be, if they practice hard enough or work hard enough. Words such as gifted just labels them for what they've accomplished.


What does that relate to the speed of the birdy? two steps isnt sprinting

The dictionary defines sprinting as:

1)A burst of speed or activity.

2)To move rapidly or at top speed for a brief period, as in running or swimming.

So it does compare to the birdies speed because you need to move fast to catch up with it.

Brief period can be held to mean 2 steps. And it takes more then 2 steps to get from one side of your court to the other.



that isnt true...

Yes because we are all born without any type of skills. Are you trying to tell me that stars were born just as good as they are now?


with lack of speed, there isnt much manipulation in the techniques.

im saying its not physically demanding, not that its not demanding
badminton is an easy to pick up hard to master kind of thing

There is speed. You practically admitted the speed of the birdie, so you must know that we must move fast to catch it too. Right? Define manipulation, because changes in swings is that. It's manipulating a move.

(To your second phrase) What's the point your trying to get across with
"Badminton is not a physically demanding, not that it's not demanding." What is that suppose to mean?

meh badminton =/
not a demanding sport
more about natural talent


Taking the second clause of your previous phrase, do you take this back?

[nighthawksw]

Swimming. Now, I'm not talking about what you did in swimming lessons or what you do with your friends. I'm talking about intense races where you are in living hell and work so ****ing hard that you'd cry, but wait...you can't even do that because you're in water. Or at least that is how it was for me when I was on a swim team. Maybe I just pushed myself too hard...oh well, it was fun.
I've been on a swim team since i was 4, and recently hit the competitive stage since i'm in highschool~ but i dont find swimming anywhere near as taxing as waterpolo OR football >_< Never played rugby though :O lol, i hate running >_< but i doubt it'd be as killer as football..the extra weight and heat from being enclosed in that suit while sweating..absalute death.

...btw, zero? some people are simply born with more physical and mental inclinations which simply put, allows them to be born with skills required to p0wn. Granted, without practice they'll likely be beaten by someone who's played all their life~ but in far less time, some can surpass people who've played all their lives.

[ramenkage]

If you don't use your whole body it doesn't matter how excellent your wrist is. Someone can only go so far with their wrist alone.a person with average everything else and a great wrist can go a long way in badminton. maybe its just my school's league, but our 1st ranks badminton player and i think 3rd ranked in league isnt fast or strong
Yes because we are all born without any type of skills. Are you trying to tell me that stars were born just as good as they are now? that simply isnt true, some are born more fit than others

The dictionary defines sprinting as:

1)A burst of speed or activity.

2)To move rapidly or at top speed for a brief period, as in running or swimming.

So it does compare to the birdies speed because you need to move fast to catch up with it.

Brief period can be held to mean 2 steps. And it takes more then 2 steps to get from one side of your court to the other.
im not denying that a birdy is fast. its a fact they are fast, some over 200mph. but i dont acknowlegde taking two steps as sprinting. its lunging.
as for the cross court, only a n00b would put himself in a position to have to dash across the court and even if he did it is rare. you dont constantly sprint in badminton.

[Zero]

a person with average everything else and a great wrist can go a long way in badminton. maybe its just my school's league, but our 1st ranks badminton player and i think 3rd ranked in league isnt fast or strong

When did I say something about them needing to be fast or strong? I simply said you need to use your whole body.


that simply isnt true, some are born more fit than others

They arn't born as good as they are now. That's what I said.


im not denying that a birdy is fast. its a fact they are fast, some over 200mph. but i dont acknowlegde taking two steps as sprinting. its lunging.
as for the cross court, only a n00b would put himself in a position to have to dash across the court and even if he did it is rare. you dont constantly sprint in badminton.

You can choose turn a blind eye to facts if you want, but it won't help your argument.

a n00b? Only a n00b wouldn't put his opponent into that possition(where he has to move). Badminton players smash it to the corners of the court or can hit it so it goes right at the tip of their opponents court. We can aim approximately where we want to hit the birdie because the court is small as you've said.

Think of it like this, if I hit the birdie to go to the corner of your court, you hit it back, then I hit it to the other corner(or I can hit it so it bairly goes over to your court), wouldn't you need to go to the other side fairly quickly? Thus sprinting?

You can stop this by A) going back to the middle of your court(Sprinting there), or B) Guess where s/he's going to hit it. Either case, you need to sprint there.

[Ennoozunu]

that simply isnt true, some are born more fit than others

Just because someone is born with a head start in a skill doesn't mean anyone else that isn't born with it can't get to the same level as the person born with the skill.
Everyone has a chance to do anything anyone else can do.

[ramenkage]

They arn't born as good as they are now. That's what I said.
i gotcha. what im saying is some people are born with better bodies.

You can choose turn a blind eye to facts if you want, but it won't help your argument.

a n00b? Only a n00b wouldn't put his opponent into that possition(where he has to move). Badminton players smash it to the corners of the court or can hit it so it goes right at the tip of their opponents court. We can aim approximately where we want to hit the birdie because the court is small as you've said.

Think of it like this, if I hit the birdie to go to the corner of your court, you hit it back, then I hit it to the other corner(or I can hit it so it bairly goes over to your court), wouldn't you need to go to the other side fairly quickly? Thus sprinting?

You can stop this by A) going back to the middle of your court(Sprinting there), or B) Guess where s/he's going to hit it. Either case, you need to sprint there.
but do you constantly sprint? no
lunging is more imporant in badminton than sprinting

[Zero]

i gotcha. what im saying is some people are born with better bodies.

I would say something, but I forgot what this has to do with badminton . :sad:



but do you constantly sprint? no
lunging is more imporant in badminton than sprinting

Lunge= A sudden forward movement or plunge.

Sprint=A burst of speed or activity, To move rapidly or at top speed for a brief period, as in running or swimming.

They're at heart the same thing.

If you can't accept sprinting, can you accept that you need to constantly lunge? And that it takes a level of physical training to do that?

[ramenkage]

I would say something, but I forgot what this has to do with badmintonwrist is part of the body...

They're at heart the same thing. no
sprint=run on toes
try lunging on toes

If you can't accept sprinting, can you accept that you need to constantly lunge? And that it takes a level of physical training to do that?i cant accept that either. occasional lunging yes, but not constant.

[Zero]

wrist is part of the body...

Okay, we're talking about natural abilities again? You said that only gifted players became profesional at badminton. Then I asked you to define gifted, but you never did. Only reffered me to the dictionary.

Did you mean born with a head start? Being able to develope faster? Working hard and being reknowned for it? Having more potential? etc. etc.

no
sprint=run on toes
try lunging on toes

Isn't it normal to lunge on your toes? Isn't a lunge a fast jump?
The definitions are right there, they mean the same thing at heart. You move quickly.

i cant accept that either. occasional lunging yes, but not constant.

O_o? Go watch some competitive badminton, or download some videos. People do constantly lunge. Unless you're a newbie and just hit it to where your opponent is already.

[ramenkage]

Okay, we're talking about natural abilities again? You said that only gifted players became profesional at badminton. Then I asked you to define gifted, but you never did. Only reffered me to the dictionary.

Did you mean born with a head start? Being able to develope faster? Working hard and being reknowned for it? Having more potential? etc. etc.
gifted by me means being born with superior body parts fitted for a specific sport or just superior in general. with this gift, they are about to develop skills faster than others.

Isn't it normal to lunge on your toes? Isn't a lunge a fast jump?
The definitions are right there, they mean the same thing at heart. You move quickly.
youre kidding right? youll break youre toes if you lunge toe first. lunge is essentally a giant one legged leap. you shift all your weight on to the leg in the process. just logically think about. badminton is requires hitting the birdy. if you go toe first, youll have to reposition to body to hit the bird.

O_o? Go watch some competitive badminton, or download some videos. People do constantly lunge. Unless you're a newbie and just hit it to where your opponent is already.
ummm...hitting to where your partner is one of the best tactics. can you block a birdie coming directly towards you and drive it hard at the same time?

[Zero]

gifted by me means being born with superior body parts fitted for a specific sport or just superior in general. with this gift, they are about to develop skills faster than others.?

So to you gifted mean they're simply superior?


youre kidding right? youll break youre toes if you lunge toe first. lunge is essentally a giant one legged leap. you shift all your weight on to the leg in the process. just logically think about. badminton is requires hitting the birdy. if you go toe first, youll have to reposition to body to hit the bird.

Well you don't sprint on your toes either, you use the same parts you do when you lunge.


ummm...hitting to where your partner is one of the best tactics. can you block a birdie coming directly towards you and drive it hard at the same time?

Your partner? o.0?

And that tactic isn't as good as hitting to where your opponent isn't. If you hit it so it goes 1~2 metres away from him he wouldn't be able to hit it hard either. And it has a better chance of giving you a point.

Also, you don't need to hit it hard all the time, you can hit it gently to go just over then net if your opponent hits it in the back. Or you can hit it high so it goes to the back of the court.

[ramenkage]

Well you don't sprint on your toes either, you use the same parts you do when you lunge.
...you sprint on your toes. its a fact

Your partner? o.0?

And that tactic isn't as good as hitting to where your opponent isn't. If you hit it so it goes 1~2 metres away from him he wouldn't be able to hit it hard either. And it has a better chance of giving you a point.

Also, you don't need to hit it hard all the time, you can hit it gently to go just over then net if your opponent hits it in the back. Or you can hit it high so it goes to the back of the court.
haha. i dunno how partner got there. i meant to you (the person returing the birdy)
its difficult to return a full out drive with a drop

just out of curiosity, do you play badminton?

[Chih1ro]

Although it is not a sport, I think skateboarding is very demanding. I'm a hardcore skateboarder, and I can tell you that it takes a lot of practice and talent. Skateboarding has a bad reputation because there are lots of dumb kids out there that does it for its "punk" image. However, true skateboarding is something that takes great concentration and discpline.

I started about 10 years ago. I got so into it that I actually tried going for pro during high-school. I managed to get sponsored(which means i was given free equipment), but I realized that even if i become pro, there would be nothing for me after a certain age. So i started concentrating more on school work, and now I'm an engineering student. I still skateboard a lot though. One of my friends that I used to skateboard with is turning pro soon, so that's cool. He's in lots of videos and stuff.

[Zero]

...you sprint on your toes. its a fact

lol, like a ballet dancer? If you sprint on your toes you'll break something.. I'm not a doctor so I don't know what the part is called, but it's the part that connects your toes to your foot. You sprint on that.


haha. i dunno how partner got there. i meant to you (the person returing the birdy)
its difficult to return a full out drive with a drop

Actually it's quite easy. :rolleye09

just out of curiosity, do you play badminton?

Yes I do. Now, the question is do you play badminton? Not for fun with your friends, but I mean competively.

[nighthawksw]

ANYBODY else notice zero and ramen just run over anybody else's posts and continue their argument, while we're stuck in the background? Lol. Poor us

[ramenkage]

lol, like a ballet dancer? If you sprint on your toes you'll break something.. I'm not a doctor so I don't know what the part is called, but it's the part that connects your toes to your foot. You sprint on that.any sprinters want to back me up here?

and i dont play at all. badminton is bad for tennis players

[Chase-Kun]

the most demanding sport?... hmm,.. I would have to go with european football... that stuff is brutal...

[Zero]

any sprinters want to back me up here?

Yeah, I would like to get this cleared u p. I'm not sure myself anymore. :sad:

and i dont play at all. badminton is bad for tennis players
Therefore you have no true idea what the game is like, only know it from theorie? So you have no idea if it physically demanding or not?

[nighthawksw]

european football? soccer? o_O

[Zero]

ANYBODY else notice zero and ramen just run over anybody else's posts and continue their argument, while we're stuck in the background? Lol. Poor us

I notice your post, it's just that I have nothing to add/retort to it so I don't say anything. Who's going to argue that rugby isn't physically demanding? Or competitive swimming? :rolleye09

[ramenkage]

im with zero on that
debate people!
i wanna see some hardcore minigolfer try to defend their case

[Zero]

im with zero on that
debate people!
i wanna see some hardcore minigolfer try to defend their case

lol, wanna debate on that one?

I get the side that sais it's not very physical demanding. :face82:

[ramenkage]

aite but im telling you, theres no way i can win this one
lets start
unless you are going all day its not physically demanding
however, i will agrue that it is demanding
requiring both timing and control

[Zero]

aite but im telling you, theres no way i can win this one
lets start

The harder it is, the more fun debating is.

unless you are going all day its not physically demanding
Agreed. But not as demanding as say, football, or badminton :face82:

however, i will agrue that it is demanding
requiring both timing and control

You're dodging the point to this thread, that it's physically demanding. You've already admitted that it isn't so there's no point in continueing.

Sure it requires timing and control, but so does many other sports. Which doesn't make it special at all.

[ramenkage]

hmm physcally demanding to what level?
a person without arms will find it difficult to golf

[Zero]

hmm physcally demanding to what level?
a person without arms will find it difficult to golf

You're the one that started the thread, you should know. :rolleye09

[ramenkage]

im not a golfer, its kinda hard to agrue...