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A2k
01-24-2006, 02:45 PM
Here is something I was going to paste into the Bleach Portal Radio thread in General Lounge

"Ok, actually no.

It's not "fine" - I know how to perform my duties quite substantially, and I do so according to the rules. The rules specify that duplicate threads are not required - the thread was initially a duplicated thread and thusly the reason it was closed.

Wow, and Admin for 4 whole years. =)

I've been doing this type of work for well over 7 now and know EXACTLY what I should and should not be doing.

Simply because Unholy chose to make things difficult by deleting the other thread and my post; it has caused problems.

Xeon - did you not recieve a 1st warning from DragonBlade due to Unholy's action at delting my post, meaning for you therefore made a double post?

If Unholy hadn't done so, you wouldn't have been needlessly warned.

If that's "fine" with you then I have no quarms over the warning DB gave you, and I shall not ask him to revoke it.

Aside from that issue, according to the rules, you're detrimental posts towards me for my correct actions taken according to those rules, you should both be warned for offensive posting towards another member of CB.

Members of staff do not do things for no reason, they have their purposes and do things according to the requirements.

The other topic shouldn't have been deleted - which means that this thread shouldn't have been made.

The thread was not fine until I came into - it was a duplicated thread when I came into it, and I acted accordingly.

The resultant requirement of a duplicate thread (which it was until Unholy decided to delete the other) is to close it and redirect to the initial thread.

I know how to use the search fucntion and do so when required.

It was NOT required in this instance as I was well aware of another thread regarding bleach Portal Radio already being in existence.

As Unholy decided to needlessly delete the intial thread once again, this has caused problems."

This arose due to several things: Last night, a duplicate thread of the Bleach Portal Radio discussion that WAS in the annoucnements, was made in the General Lounge announcing that it was back up and running.

It had obviously been down for some time, and the annoucnement in the "new" thread was to make people aware that it was back up and running.

Now being a duplicated thread about Bleach Portal Radio; I provided a link to the original thread, asked the poster (Xeon) not make duplicate threads in the future, and promptly closed it.

End of the matter?

No.

Unholy at this point decided to "hard" delete, leaving no trace for evidence on the matter (I thought only severe circumstances required the hard delete option for these exact reasons???) the original thread.

He then proceeded to delete my post closing the "new" thread.

This resulted in DB providing Xeon with a warning for double posting - not his fault. That was Unholy's doing.

Now, when I logged on this morning, I found the thread had been reopened and my post deleted, and numerous instances of my being "ranted at for performing my duties "correctly according to the rules" - confused by the matter, I provided my reasoning once again as to why the thread had been previously closed.

I mentioned that when I had copied the url from the other thread - I would edit the link into my post.

When I went to find the original Bleach Portal Radio thread in the annoucnements section, only to find it had been deleted by Unholy.

Thusly I reopened the thread and explained that I was not aware of it having been deleted.

At which point several instances of the flaming rule were broken when Xeon and Coolrock decided to cuss me out to high heaven for performing my duties correctly, and closing a duplicated thread. (which was now, no longer duplicate thread thanks to Unholy, and yet again the evidence was hard deleted by him.)

This has caused problems for Xeon in that he should be realistically be banned for 24 hours if DB's initial warning stands - even though it was Unholy's fault in the first place that Xeon was warned. He wouldn't have been warned for double posting, because the thread was closed.

He also wouldn't have cussed me out to high heaven and accused me of being a bad mod and not knowing or performing my duties accordingly, if Unholy hadn't have deleted the intial thread in the annoucnements section.

Is it just me or do all these problems relate to Unholy's actions and not my own?

I did things by the book, according to the rules we set up.

...and I was the one put into a lose, lose situation because of this.

It's simply not right. =/

...and just in case he decides to delete this as well, I'm PM'ing myself the details, because this is simply ridiculous!!

It just got a whole lot bigger!!!!

Unholy has just Modded a n00b.

CoolRock!!!!

Come on...this is pure bullshit.

*Waves at Unholy reading the thread*

[EDIT:] I can't find where he is moderated if that is the case, but his name never the less is emphasised as being a moderator.

*Continues checking each forum to see if he's modded anywhere*

Unholy
01-24-2006, 03:37 PM
I did not mean to cause problems by closing the old thread, the reason I hard deleted it was to stop you from bringing it back, I wanted the new thread not the old one. I see no problem in a duplicate thread if the old one was gone, no clutter.

I do not condone Xeon or Coolrocks reacton in anyway and I have talked to both of them and told them if they do anything of the sort again they will be banned immeditatly.

I deleted all the stuff in the new thread because it was basically a flame war, It doesn't matter if it was valid or not, I removed it for best interest of keeping ppl in the thread without be engulfed in the flaming.

A2k
01-24-2006, 03:58 PM
Had you not deleted it in the first place, and simply closed the original and explained a reasonable solution as to why you proposed to make these actions - all of this would have been avioded anyway as I wouldn't have had to go about my course of actions because your actions would have been made blatantly apparent and clear to me.

Therefore I wouldn't have needed to do anything had you done what you wanted to do, in a smart way as opposed to this really, really poor way.

I do agree, if the previous thread has been put out of commission then there's no problem with another thread detailing the very same as it isn't effectively a duplicate. Less clutter, Amen, no arguments there. =)

Yes it was a flame war, and as such by the rules they should theoretically each be warned for it "officially".

You giving them a slap on the wrist isn't going to prevent it from happening again, even telling them that they will be banned if they do so.

Xeon was warned by DB for double posting, when it was your delting of my post that caused the double post in the first place.

They are under the distinctly mistaken impression that I was WRONG in my actions, and that I am an asshole who hasn't a clue who to Moderate properly.

Which is very much not the case on all accounts. I did the correct thing. I made the correct decsions, and made no attack on anyone.

As my actions were the correct course to be taken under the circumstances, and in their eyes I was the one who was "abusing" the power I am given as a member of CB's staff.

That's no good.

[EDIT:] *Sigh*

I guess I should lay down and take the ass shafting like a good Mod should.

I must have been in the wrong.

*Rollseyes*

Unholy
01-24-2006, 04:05 PM
I am currently talking to them aboutyour competency as a moderator. I see no problems with how you reacted, you did what anyone would have done, except them obviosuly, I'm trying to make them understand at the moment.

I understand that I probably could have handled things better, and for that I am sorry, I did what I thought was right at the time and obviously it caused more problems than I anticipated for this I appoligize.

The main reason they were mad is because the first thread was dead, and the latest required information wasn't on the front page so they created a new one for a fresh start and it was closed. When told about this I unlocked it because I saw no problem in a duplicate thread seeing as the old one had died out. Then when you locked it again they got more annoyed.

I totally think they over reacted and that you did what you deemed nessesary however I don't understand the first closing of the thread when the first was already dead.

db
01-24-2006, 04:11 PM
Enough. I believe we should let this go. I didnt like what Unholy said about the mods in CB in IRC Channel (I got logs unholy, you better watch what you say), but you redeemed yourself when you argued back against coolrock and xeon. About Coolrock being mod... I have nothing to say about this. I'll let Darren handle that one.

Unholy
01-24-2006, 04:34 PM
No body fully understands the situtation, I for one have no idea why the thread was deemed a duplicate to begin with, the old one was dead and no longer relevant so a new one was made. Should not the old one be closed instead?

Xeon and Coolrock do not quite understand that they have done anything wrong, I am not trying to take a side thus I must make points against both people. I appreciate what you guys do here. I do not wish to come here and start trolling, CB is not my place and the only reason I'm admin is because I run Bleach Portal, this I understand and I do not wish to abuse my power however I feel that reopening the thread and closing the other one was alright, and I do not understand why the thread was locked to begin with or I wouldnot have reopened it. I tend to avoid this place to avoid causing issues like this.

Edit To Stop Double Post

I made coolrock and admin, but have no idea how to make him an moderator of anywhere :(

PS: Don't edit, I don't read all the way up there :/

Merging is Fun :)

Get on IRC and disscuss this or type faster *me cant be ****ed refreshing 1000 times*

db
01-24-2006, 04:42 PM
I want this matter to end Now. Xeon should of not create another thread since one already exists which vanished. It would of been better if Xeon said Unholy let him start a new thread in his first post so this chaos wouldnt start in the first place. And about the flames in thread, that is not allowed at all obviously.

To answer your question Unholy: You did said a2k assumed an older thread exists hence why he closes it. The old one btw is relavent since it is still BPRadio.

The serious problem here is indeed Communication.

I dont think Coolrock is an admin, doesnt matter. I need to know what happen during the flame war. Everyone has to follow the rules and suffer the punishment.

I rather discuss it here so the rest of the staff can see this.

Unholy
01-24-2006, 04:46 PM
Well type faster, Its 3am and I don't feel like refreshing 1000 times waiting :/

It doesn't matter that the thread was older, the thread was irrelevant, it needed to be remade, the old one was dead a buried, if a2k hadn't gone and dug it up no one would have even realised it was there.

A2k
01-24-2006, 04:51 PM
I never touched it.

It was about 5 threads down from the top in the announcements section and I never posted in it to bring it up from anywhere.

It wasn't irrelevant it was discussing ...*gasp* Bleach Portal Radio.

The only difference was the new thread was simply stating that it had been down for a while and was now back up and running.

All it required was the post, as I suggested in my post that you deleted; was for the information to be posted in that thread, which I supplied a link to.

Nothing more, and nothing less.

db
01-24-2006, 04:52 PM
But CB Members know it was there since they posted in there did they not? How is the thread not relevant? If it was irrelevent, then the thread should not be dead in the first place cause it would not be a duplicate at all? But it was relevent, hence why you deleted it.

And for Xeon + Coolrock: For being asses in IRC and dont give a shit about the forum, 1 week ban + i'll trash your thread.

Unholy
01-24-2006, 04:52 PM
The old thread was full of crap, it needed to go :/

PS: You type slow :(

Unholy
01-24-2006, 04:55 PM
As for: "And for Xeon + Coolrock: For being asses in IRC and dont give a shit about the forum, 1 week ban + i'll trash your thread."

Really Mature eh? "well they are mean to me, so ill go trash thier thread and ban them, MOOOHaHAHAHA IM ALL POWERFUL"

*sigh* or I mean *rolleyes* as you people love.

db
01-24-2006, 04:57 PM
Um, no. If all he wanted to do is advertize and causing commotion in the forums, I cannot allow that. This also reminds me of Shadow's incident.

Unholy
01-24-2006, 04:59 PM
Club Bleach is a subsiderary of Bleach Portal, BPRadio is also a subsiderary of Bleach Portal, I hardly think that 1-2 Threads on it is going to kill anyone OMG...

db
01-24-2006, 05:01 PM
Yes but CB is not a subsiderary of BPRadio. Darren demand us mods to follow his Rules VERY STRICTLY cause he cannot take this shit anymore.

Unholy
01-24-2006, 05:04 PM
Darren + Me = Friends, I'm sure If I talked to him he'd forgive me and allow 1 bloody thread, it doesn't hurt anyone for gods sake. I don't care whos right you've probably read in the IRC Anyway. Quite frankly I think both parties of this discussion are totally retarded, not listening to compromise at all therefore I am going to bed. Life is about compromise, I was trying to find one but, nope, you guys fail, try out my Signature once in a while, might help.

db
01-24-2006, 05:08 PM
Your sig is useless. Did I not say to let this end already? Enough, I would of allowed the thread, xeon, & coolrock to be here but you let it drag on. I'll let Darren do as he see fits since I'm tired of this.

Unholy
01-24-2006, 05:10 PM
I Am Trying To Come To A ****ing Conclusion "drop It" Is Not How Things Work God Dammit, Was It Not A2k That Said A Slap On The Wrist Would Do Nothing??? Unless A Problem Is Resolved It Will Just ****ing Resurface Often Worse Than Before. I'm So Sorry I Was Trying To Find A Nice Common Ground That We Could Hopefully Share. So If Im The Bad Guy So Be It, I'm Ashamed To Have Bleach Portals Forum Run By You People *rolleyes*

db
01-24-2006, 05:17 PM
If you didnt like my conclusion of letting the past conflicts go and let us resume our daily lives, what do you want? You want them to apologize to a2k? Doubt it since they dont even give a shit. As you said before, you barely go on the forums here and we made drastic changes.

A2k
01-24-2006, 07:35 PM
Lies and Vengence seem to have issue over the matter, and Unholy was more than willing to sit in the thread and watch it develop.

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?p=234390&posted=1#post234390

*Deals with the 2*

Unholy
01-24-2006, 07:45 PM
/me doesn't want to get into trobule for closing more threads

A2k
01-24-2006, 08:41 PM
Do you think I do/did Unholy?

Not really.

Jinchuu
01-24-2006, 09:44 PM
It seems like I have missed a lot of things that happened since last week. Because I had to move in to my dorm, pick up my classes, go to tons of appointments since I failed couple of classes. I'll be back in track soon (as soon as I fix the shit going on in my college life)

Enough. I believe we should let this go. I didnt like what Unholy said about the mods in CB in IRC Channel (I got logs unholy, you better watch what you say), but you redeemed yourself when you argued back against coolrock and xeon. About Coolrock being mod... I have nothing to say about this. I'll let Darren handle that one.

I would really appreciate if you could send me those logs DragonBlade.

Sandal Hat
01-24-2006, 10:34 PM
I'm not sure if the matter is solved or not but....

The easiest thing and the right thing to do is for Unholy just to tell xeon and coolrock what he did and that A2k was right for doing what he did and then both parties say I'm sorry(even if you don't mean it :))

Jinchuu
01-24-2006, 10:44 PM
Both are already banned by Unholy.

db
01-24-2006, 11:36 PM
Logs:
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=4623175

it should start here:
[06:12:05] <UnholyGodn> wahhh

Jinchuu
01-24-2006, 11:46 PM
I appreciate it, thanks.

Whow I like the way coolrock approaches to become a mod.



All I have to say it is; pathetic...

A2k
01-25-2006, 12:04 AM
I found this line interesting:

"<UnholyGodn> Go spam the link on every forum you can find :)"

*Slaps forehead*

The rest of that...well...what can you really say...

Sandal Hat
01-25-2006, 12:06 AM
That was....really.....long...

Atleast now I know who deleted my post....I think..?

SumpfFuchs
01-25-2006, 12:10 AM
i read that log, any respect i HAD for unholy now no longer exists

Unholy
01-25-2006, 05:22 AM
:( :( :( :(

Coolrock
01-25-2006, 05:30 AM
I had already talked to UnholyGodn about becoming a moderator before that had even happened. I knew for a fact that he needed some money, so I offered to help him out, in return, he let me become a moderator. The fact that you don't know the whole story, yet you judge me on logs from a channel when he and I had a private convo, that's really sad. I've been a moderator on other forums for well over 2 year now, I believe I could handle the job. I'm having my downside now about being one though. Why? Because of the way half of you are acting. I'm really surprised how you guys/girls act towards an Admin. I really don't care if he doesn't like being an Admin and/or you don't like him. You shouldn't act that way towards an Admin. That's totally disrespectful.

A2K, I'm sorry for anything Xeon and I said in the Bleach Portal Radio topic, but try to see it from our point of view. Bleach Portal Radio was down for a few days. A lot of problems had happened. We tried to make a topic telling everyone about the Radio being back up, and then it gets locked. How do you think we felt? I understand Xeon shouldn't have cursed at you, but he was quite mad about what had happened.

I would really like to work this out, so please write back ASAP, or you can talk to me on MSN/IRC.

Unholy
01-25-2006, 05:32 AM
/me looks for tasty food

Lunatic
01-25-2006, 05:39 AM
Lets just drop the topic. Maybe we need to move this satff thread in the trash XD lol. CoolRock = now reg. member Forum runs by set standards, only when majority of current mods and smods and Darren decide who becomes what since they are the only ppl who actually do and work on the forum so they have the right to decide. Simple.

Unholy
01-25-2006, 05:47 AM
/me is still hungry though

Jinchuu
01-25-2006, 07:25 AM
I just want to add smt. to clarify a misunderstood fact for all who reads this thread
Q: How should we act towards an admin?
Let me answer; as an equal person, as a human being.
Mutual respect is smt. way different than everyone's imagination.
I will gladly explain if you still don't get what I mean, just shoot me a PM.